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Republican Rove makes case in Niles

Published: Wed, February 23, 2011 @ 12:01 a.m.


The Vindicator (Youngstown)

Stephen Farrell of Warren, right, who attended an event with Republican political strategist Karl Rove, exchanges words with demonstrators who shouted at and insulted those going inside to the dinner.


The Vindicator (Youngstown)

Robert Heltzel of Niles, right, leads a group of anti-war protesters who yelled at and heckled those attending the Republican dinner with Rove. Some of the protesters opened the main door to the event and tried to get inside. They were stopped by Niles police.




Why did Karl Rove, a nationally-known Republican strategist, come to the Democratic-dominated Mahoning Valley?

“You can’t win an argument unless you make an argument,” Rove said Tuesday before his keynote speech at the 96th annual Mahoning Valley McKinley Club dinner in Niles.

“I’m happy to come to a blue part of the state to make the argument,” he said.

Also, Rove said he promised Ohio Republican Party Chairman Kevin DeWine last year that he would speak at the 2011 McKinley dinner.

Rove met some opposition before and during his speech at the McKinley Club, which consists of Republicans in Mahoning, Trumbull and Columbiana counties.

A group of about 20 anti-war protesters shouted and hurled insults at those lined up to enter the $35-a-person dinner in the McKinley Memorial Auditorium.

Some, including Columbiana County Republican Chairman Dave Johnson and Columbiana County Commissioner Mike Halleck, yelled back.

The protesters attempted to disrupt Rove’s speech.

Robert Heltzel, 25, of Niles, son of Trumbull County Commissioner Paul Heltzel, used a bullhorn while others chanted and banged metal cookie sheets together, making it challenging for some inside to hear Rove.

At one point, Heltzel and a few others opened the door to the auditorium, screamed “warmonger” at Rove and tried to get inside.

Rove brushed it off telling those at the dinner, “Don’t worry.”

Police inside the building as well as a few of the attendees, including Ohio Auditor Dave Yost, ran to the front door to stop the protesters from coming inside.

Heltzel said he and the others were told to leave by the police and they complied. There were no arrests.

The auditorium was packed with about 400 people listening to Rove, a political strategist involved in the major gains achieved by Republicans in last year’s election. Rove also was a main strategist in President George W. Bush’s wins in 2000 and 2004.

Rove may have some hard feelings about that first election in which Bush defeated then-Vice President Al Gore, a Democrat. Gore won the popular vote, but lost the electoral vote and the election.

Rove joked about Gore inventing the Internet and later tried to impersonate the former vice president when saying “lock box.”

“God, he was annoying,” Rove said of Gore to laughter.

Rove spoke for about an hour, spending almost half of it talking about President William McKinley, the nation’s 25th president who was born in Niles on Jan. 29, 1843. The dinner is held annually in McKinley’s honor.

Rove also criticized President Barack Obama, a Democrat, during his speech.

In particular, Rove spoke negatively of the president’s $826 billion stimulus package and health-care overhaul, saying both are major failures.

“If we continue to go down this path, we’ll end up like some Third World country unable to pay our debt,” he said.

After the speech, Rove took questions from the audience.

In response to one about foreign aid, Rove said it is vitally important to the United States because it provides “leverage” when dealing with other countries.

When asked about efforts of Republicans in Wisconsin and Ohio, among other states, to eliminate collective bargaining for state employees, Rove said, “Public employee unions are a problem.” It was a statement that received loud applause from the audience.

The dinner was closed to the media at Rove’s request.

A reporter from The Vindicator was given a ticket from someone who paid for it, but didn’t attend the dinner. Some of the event’s organizers were told the reporter was attending with a ticket and didn’t raise any objections.


1UnionForever(1470 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

Carl Rove - You need to listen to what he says!

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2timOthy(802 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

The war boy makes an appearance an Dave Johnson, and Mike Halleck come to his rescue ! What a joke. Johnson still wanting Grant Money from the tax payers to remove Kills at his Summitville, Ohio plant . After making a PROFIT off them ! And Genuis Halleck who sold the County Jail to the State of Ohio because of it's shape or Unsuitableness. Then the State made a woman Reformatory out of it. And Columbiana County built a New Jail That it has to get prisoners from other areas to house it and afford it . And neither one went to War ,but did hide when it came their turn. Bottom lie this dinner was full of loser and Rove you the biggest one. With blood on your hands of innocent people. You belong in Jail with Hammer your buddy from Texas who is going to sentenced soon !

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3peacelover(815 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

This is who the GOP chooses to venerate?

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4glbtactivist(295 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

Who all attended that dinner? We need to know who are the enemies of the middle class in our area. Then we can petition every time the apply for our taxpayer money and avoid their businesses.

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5Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

He should be in jail for his crimes in the WH . But the GOP/TEA party pays him to give a speech, almost unbelievable
till you see and read his supporters.

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6nojimbo(254 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

“If we continue to go down this path, we’ll end up like some Third World country unable to pay our debt,”

Uh Karl, would that be the path you and President Dimbulb took when you started a war with Iraq for no reason and left us with a trillion dollar bill that will keep growing for a generation as we pay for disabled vets?

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7ValleyNative(174 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

My gosh, this man is evil.

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8Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

What he (Karl) did was a crime . You may no like what Obama got passed but it was not a crime . It can be voted out or ruled out in court . You can not vote out the crimes that Karl did , You put him in jail.
Political point of view is one thing t / we all have the right to believe and vote our beliefs. But not to break the law . I sure hope you can see the difference.

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9Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

What he (Karl) did was a crime . You may no like what Obama got passed but it was not a crime . It can be voted out or ruled out in court . You can not vote out the crimes that Karl did , You put him in jail.
Political point of view is one thing I / we all have the right to believe and vote our beliefs. But not to break the law . I sure hope you can see the difference.

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10Fattkidd(45 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

Rove, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush will all do time for their crimes one day very soon. they already can't leave the country for fear of being arrested. what an embarrassment these war-mongering, war-profiteers and their cronies are. they're not conservative. conservatives don't start foreign wars of aggression and they most certainly don't do it on credit from a communist country!

i can't believe how ignorant Americans have become that they listen to liars, hypocrites and war mongers like this. i guess if you can make a buck, then hey, it's A.O.K. with the GOP! Evil, pure and simple.

So, this 'Curveball' slime finally admits that he lied to the CIA! Oh, big story NOW! Of course, the CIA KNEW he was a liar in 2002, that's why they code-named him CURVEBALL for pete's sake!!! But, oh, this is news to Rumsfeld!!! I was telling everyone I knew back in 2002/2003 that there were no WMD in Iraq. So, tell me how I could find this out but Rummy and his 'Office of Special Plans' couldn't!?


LOL! Anyone who believes a word that comes out of the mouths of these scumbags deserves to get screwed.

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11Bigben(1996 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

Both parties are bought and paid for by the multi national corporations and international banks. There are a few good people on both sides of the aisle but not many.

We vote one set of bums out to be replaced by a new set of bums.Meanwhile the corporations continue to steal off of us and tell us we can't afford to pay our public employees ? Come on wake up ! Two wings of the same bird just like Lou Dobbs said.

Screw the crippled vets , screw the safety workers teachers ect but bail out banks and cororations that intentionally broke the laws on loans to folks who couldn't afford them .Then bail said banks so they make record profits.They are cashing in on our misery ,the dead and wounded soldiers ,the poor wage slaves and the disappearing middle class .

Destroy our borders and constitution and then tell me one party is much better than the other.It is the same freaking game.We are becoming a third world country just as they want us too. No one on here probably even read agenda 21 from the UN but it is going on as planned.If we loose this nation and most of it is gone already it will be every man and women's fault in this country.There is no excuse to remain ignorant at this point.

So go on and continue the stupid arguments about parties while the elite globalists steal your nation.

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12cambridge(3451 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

Karl Rove. The architect and genius of what was the bush administration. A true rebublican super star.

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13lee(544 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

If you follow my posts you will know I am a conservative on the libertarian side and I think Karl Rove is like old bread he needs to go away. He thinks party when we need people who will put country before party

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14gripmadlock(16 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

The protesters brought cookie sheets, lol.

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15borylie(900 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

lee,Can you give me an example of who that person may be?

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16borylie(900 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

Free,Do you drink too much coffee? Or maybe not enough black coffee?

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17LtMacGowan(693 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

Somebody better call a priest to sanctify the ground Rove spoke at. Otherwise it will be the home of unspeakable evil that follows that minion

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18nojimbo(254 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

"They run to other states and hide. They are gutless Chicken Sh!ts who suckle off the taxpayers nipples. And best of all they have no shame."

For a second there I thought you were talking about Rove's bosses, Bush and Cheney.

Bush who ran to Alabama from Texas in 1972 as part of his running away from the draft. He couldn't even complete the Air National Guard dodge designed to keep him out of Vietnam.

Then there's Cheney who gobbled up Vietnam battle deferments with the same "suckling" sound from when he later gobbled up taxpayer funds through no bid government contracts to his company Halliburton.

Talk about no shame. The SOBs had the gall to send thousands of brave Americans to their death or dismemberment in Iraq. All the while knowing they never had the guts for battle themselves.

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19nojimbo(254 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

So how does that address the
chickensh!ts Bush and Cheney?

Kerry was on a PT boat in the Mekong River shooting at the North Vietnamese while Bush was snorting cocaine in Texas.

What's your explanation for the actions of Bush and Cheney avoiding service?

We'll wait all night to see what you can come up with. Just give me one sentence to explain why Bush and Cheney weren't cowards during their youth.

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20Bigben(1996 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

The Bush crowd didn't serve and neither did the Clinton crowd.

What do they all have in common?

They are the global elite.That is what I have been trying to show for about a year now. But folks would rather cling to there delusions that one group is better than the other-amazing.

The Vietnam war was a sham. Certain areas where oil wells existed were not permitted to be bombed.My cousin died in that lie of a war at the age of 21 in 1971.Thank God I was too young to remember much But my dad was upset because he used to bounce him on his lap as a little guy.His dad was wounded in the battle of the Bulge.He was adopted and their only son.

He volunteered it was a waste of life not unlike most of the war carnage since and some before.He would have been coming home in couple of weeks to be married.

The elites play with our lives and it happens on both sides of the aisle.If you don't understand that then you are stunted.

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