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Kasich: Voters sent SB 5 message

Published: Thu, December 29, 2011 @ 12:08 a.m.



Jason Petroff, of Chardon, leads cheers during a protest against Senate Bill 5 outside the Ohio Statehouse, Tuesday, Feb. 22, 2011, in Columbus, Ohio.

By Marc Kovac


Third of a four-part series


Senate Bill 5 dominated newspaper headlines in 2011, drawing thousands of protesters to the Ohio Statehouse and a heated election campaign that resulted in the defeat of a collective-bargaining reform package written by Republicans and supported by Gov. John Kasich.

Kasich said voters sent a clear message with the November election results.

While he supports helping local governments better control their costs, he told reporters during a year-end speech and question-and-answer session earlier this month that he would wait to hear what those officials want him to do next on the issue.

“The ocean is full of sharks; and sometimes you get the sharks and sometimes the sharks get you,” Kasich said. “The people spoke, and when people speak in great numbers in great unanimity, you listen to them.”

He added, “I’m looking for additional tools, but look, the people were pretty clear. The cities are going to have to come to me and say what they want.”

Helping Local Governments

“What I’m looking forward to is what do these communities want us to do to be able to help them with the ease of doing business, because there is no more money. We’re not passing money back out again. That’s not going to happen. There is no money tree.

“But we are talking to them all the time about improvements that they can have to help them ease their challenges in their local governments, because I think raising taxes at the local level is just devastating to creating an environment where we can get businesses.

“Let me tell you, some people think you can tax your way to prosperity. The way you get the revenue in the state ... when you create jobs, people pay taxes and you get more revenue. If you raise taxes, you drive businesses out, and it’s like a dog chasing his tail.”

Controlling School Costs

“We offered them some tools, they didn’t like them. They need to come with other tools. ... One of the concerns that I have about schools in Ohio is that we have lots of money being spent on infrastructure and not enough of those dollars end up in the classroom. ... If you’re going to put infrastructure ahead of dollars in the classroom you’re not going to get the kind of results and you’re not going to control your costs. ... We’ve offered them some tools, and they’ve accepted some of those tools, like the shared services.

“The village of Green, for example, has their school board and their school operation housed in the same building as the city.

“So these are difficult times. ... But if we raise taxes and we drive companies out, our problems are going to be exacerbated.”

Impact of the SB 5 Defeat

“I know you folks are so fixated on this. That was a time where the shark ate me. It’s OK. … It’s just one thing that happened, and it was a big deal because there were a lot of protests and things like that.

“But you missed the story, and, you know, someday the story will really be written about what happened here. About an unbelievable level of change that’s happened in the state of Ohio and the benefits of that change.

“But I don’t always get it right. I make mistakes. That’s just the way it goes. If you cannot lose something and take it like a man or like a leader and learn from it, you haven’t learned anything about life. They just said no.

“I’m OK with that. It’s cool. We move to the next thing. I’m not mad at anybody.

“I think one thing you have to do when you have big issues is prepare.

“You’ve got to prepare the groundwork to tell people about why you need big change. … You can’t solve problems in most cases when people don’t think one exists. You’ve got to build your case a little bit better, and you have to have some people on the outside talk about it.”


1UnionForever(1470 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

We will see a never ending string of tax levies and public employee layoffs when they do not pass. Kasich is looking at his re-election now and will do no more. How sad!

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2kensgirl(1062 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

Maybe next time Kasich will actually THINK about a solution before trying to get the herd to follow. Sometimes you're the queen be and sometimes you get stung.

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3Attis(1134 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

What an absolute dope this character is. Full of arrogance and ignorance, a disaster for Ohio. If, as he says, the sharks got/ate him, why is he still governor?

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4southsidedave(5199 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

The ocean is full of sharks, and Kasich is one of them.

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5rocky14(839 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

Kasick is more like a snake than a shark.

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6ConservativeDude(36 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

You can whine and cry all you want. Unless something changes we get more of the same. Are Unions the answer?

What did they do to save all the jobs that left here. On the one hand they want people to pay $100/mo to give them power to save jobs. ...Look around you to see what you got for your dues. It wasn't groceries in your cart or gas in your tank.

Someday the UC bennies will run out. Kasich can't be blamed for that. Kasich had a way for cities to save money, it got shot down.

So now for all the people in here who think with their mouth, it's your turn. Tell Kasich what your soulution is. BS don't count.!

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7AnotherAverageCitizen(1194 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago


Many people had no problems with sb5 trying to save money by making unions pay more for bennies and retirement. The solution is just that it was only for unions to pay more and take bargaining rights away from unions. If kasich wrote the bill for all public employees(including himself and his staff) to pay more and not include the eliminating of many bargaining tools, the bill would have passed. And schools, cities and state would be saving money. Too bad kasuck did not include any talks before passing the bill.

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8fd6636(289 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

What Kasich is telling the media now is he wanted reform. There is a difference between reform and FUC#ING someone over, and thats exactly what he, and his republib cronies intentions were in February. His intent was perfectly clear to all: Crush the union thugs, pure and simple. Now, all this BS in the peoples paper. Lies, all lies, and the people of Ohio wont forget come election day!!!
By the way: Can Mark Kovac blow Kasich any harder?? Just sayin........

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9jupiter(116 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

THIS passes for "journalism?" What a joke...I hope that Kovac was not paid by the Vindicator for this. He should have received a paycheck from the Kasuck...I mean "Kasich" administration as a PR consultant. And guess what, Johnny-Boy? Its not "cool," we won't forget, but we will damn sure remember!!
John Kasich: Insuring that the Republican Party loses in 2012!! Atta' boy, Johhny-Boy!!! In the infamous words of that other great Republican "thinker": MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!
PS-In the spirit of SB-5 why doesn't the Vindy put its "reporters" on a "merit pay" based system? Let me know how that works out for 'ya...

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