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Company tries to ease fears over ‘brine’ tankers

Published: Fri, December 16, 2011 @ 12:09 a.m.

By Karl Henkel



Fracking fear has struck many in the Mahoning Valley, mostly due to possible water contamination.

So when residents see large tankers plastered with the painted word “brine” near a water source, it probably doesn’t help quell those fears.

But fear not, a local trucking company says.

Those trucks are extracting water — not dumping it — for use in the fracking process.

Fracking is a process in which water, chemicals and sand are blasted into rocks thousands of feet below the ground to unlock natural gas and oil. A byproduct of that process is brine, heavily salted water not intended for human contact or consumption.

Brine is disposed of though an injection well, where the liquid is pumped deep below the ground, on roads and streets for ice or dust control, or at a brine wastewater treatment plant.

But some horror stories — often coming from Pennsylvania — detail brine trucks dumping the salty fluids directly into lakes and streams, polluting the water and the surrounding environment.

In Coitsville, along South Hubbard Road, many residents became curious when a brine truck recently stopped and dropped a large hose into a nearby creek.

One resident even snapped a picture of the Ray Pander Trucking Inc. vehicle as potential evidence.

But Ray Pander himself told The Vindicator that the company was simply extracting water for drilling purposes in Hubbard, where some drillers have begun work on Clinton Sandstone wells.

“We get calls on this every day,” he said. “But we do not dispose of water into lakes and streams.”

The company only extracts the water.

State law stipulates that a company such as Ray Pander’s must get landowner consent to remove water from private property.

State law also stipulates that water on public land is available to anyone.

So why does the word brine still appear on trucks that extract fresh water?

That wasn’t always the case.

Pander said his trucks previously had placards — one that said brine and the other fresh water — that drivers could switch depending on the carried fluid.

But federal guidelines state that placards can appear only on vehicles transporting hazardous or flammable materials.

Pander has no choice: His multifaceted trucks must have brine permanently painted, in clear view.

Pander also said that his brine trucks have fallen victim to some against fracking. On one occasion, dissenters have even removed an extraction hose from a truck and dropped it into a river.

“It gets aggravating when you’re out there trying to do your job,” he said.


1ytownsteelman(680 comments)posted 4 years, 6 months ago

Why is that not surprising that protesters would resort to tampering. no respect for the rule of law.

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2Superstar7(122 comments)posted 4 years, 6 months ago

Last week, The Wall Street Times Journal ran a 1/2 page article siting specific examples of well water brine pollution in The Dakotas/Wyoming.
The Ohio EPA has recently started testing Ohio wells & found two polluted with chemicals used in The Fracking process. Well water contamination is forever generated by these chemicals. Ohio/The USA NEEDS THE WET GAS; find another extraction methodology!

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3Superstar7(122 comments)posted 4 years, 6 months ago

*"The Wall Street Journal." (Not The Times!)

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4Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 6 months ago

Toxic wastes are passed from the anal canal and they ultimately are discharged into waterways after treatment . Yep, the protesters are polluters !

Sewer water is deadlier than frack water . . ..

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5CassAnn(252 comments)posted 4 years, 6 months ago

Water that is used for fracking is deposited into a lined basin, then removed by a tanker truck and taken to a waste water treatment facility for cleaning. The cleaned water is then released back into the environment. The EPA follows these fracking companies pretty closely and leaks earn them huge fines. If you want to scare people, actually report true information instead of scare tactics. Ruined water wells is a possibility, and thus why anyone close to fracking is advised to have their well water tested before drilling begins. This is not caused by the trucks bringing in water or removing brine, this is caused by the actual fracking contaminating the water table.

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6Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 6 months ago

"this is caused by the actual fracking contaminating the water table. "

Missinformation digested by the weak minded is toxic . . ..

The water table is shallow . The frack zone is thousands of feet below . If the well leaks it can't pressure to frack . Gas can't be contained for sale if the well leaks .

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7Bigben(1996 comments)posted 4 years, 6 months ago

"State law also stipulates that water on public land is available to anyone." - -How nice . They are taking millions of gallons of water permanently out of the drinking sources .

I was wondering why we were taking this toxic soup from other states even Texas.There is a lot of land between us and Texas. So why here?I am beginning to see why now.

I also noticed that the article focuses on those trucks pulling water out and tells us not to worry. What about all the trucks coming in from other states with poison water and injecting it into the ground? Do we forget about those trucks ?

rjbook- - - Sounds to me like you have done your research and back up what you say. Job well done .

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8Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 6 months ago

rjbook :

I have some landfill leachate for your indiscriminate taste that is certified frack water free . Suture your polluter so you don't contribute .

The great government minds that direct where and how wastes are to be disposed have mandated present and previous methods of disposal . Why not criticize them ? Fining and criticizing the Oil and Gas Industry has been fulfilling and lucrative .

In the past it had been proposed to dispose of Oilfield waste water into depleted wells that were plugging candidates . This should have been a no brainer . Put it back from where it originated . Government powers would not allow it . Why ? Not enough money would be generated ? . . .. Bureaucracy Rocks !

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9Bigben(1996 comments)posted 4 years, 6 months ago

Stan - -I have news for. I don't know if you ever worked with a pneumatic nail gun or not.I have and the hoses had leaks and the nails were still driven with enough force to do the job.

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10Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 6 months ago

Have you ever worked with high pressure cutting jets ? It wouldn't take long for steel to be cut apart by the fluid and be roaring like a jet engine . . ..

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11Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 6 months ago

Besides bringing billions of dollars into the economy of our area Oil and Gas Companies provide energy security . During the cold winter months liberal BS provides little warmth . When the car runs low on fuel there is plenty in the area . Those of you who want to stop the drilling lack any credibility until you . . ..

Sever and remove that gas line from the house .

Park and scrap your car .

Some of your electricity is generated by gas so to be on the safe side eliminate its use .

This way you wont be supporting what you hate . . ..

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12DwightK(1535 comments)posted 4 years, 6 months ago

This whole for it/ against mentality is BS. Yes, Stan is right, we need the energy. At the end of the day the lights and furnace need to be on. But, (Stan), the waste water from fracking is toxic and needs to dealt with safely. We have a limited idea of what the geology of the earth looks like near the wells. Are there folds that could allow fracking waste to reach the water table? Could the well liner rupture? Could the dikes near the brine wells fail if the storage tanks fail? Who is inspecting these sites? Who is responsible if ground water contamination is found? Are the companies required to be insured and do they put up a bond to pay for a clean up if needed?

These aren't unreasonable questions. Every method of energy extraction carries risk but those risks need to be mitigated as much as possible.

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13Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 6 months ago

rjbook :

Park that car and junk it . You are only aiding what you despise .

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14Bigben(1996 comments)posted 4 years, 6 months ago

You got it rjbook. Dwight you make sense too. There are 590 plus chemicals in the toxic soup so calling it brine water actually makes it sound better.No wonder Texas wants is shipping it to Ohio.That is a long long way.Strange no one else on the way wants what is heading to Ohio.

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15Bigben(1996 comments)posted 4 years, 6 months ago

" I have stated facts that the industry needs to be regulated better." - -- Correct rjbook, in fact they are exempt from providing lists of what is in the fluid. one has to wonder why that would be ? How do you regulate under such circumstance? - -You can 't really.

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16Bigben(1996 comments)posted 4 years, 6 months ago

Stan ,

"Have you ever worked with high pressure cutting jets ? It wouldn't take long for steel to be cut apart by the fluid and be roaring like a jet engine . . .." - - -Are you saying it is impossible to have any leaks at all and still function?

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17southsidedave(5189 comments)posted 4 years, 6 months ago

As long as big business makes money, no one will care what happens.

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