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UPDATED: Production suspended at GM Lordstown



Published: Mon, December 12, 2011 @ 12:19 p.m.

LORDSTOWN — General Motors Co. has suspended operations at the Lordstown facility due to a “supplier issue,” the automaker said Monday.

Tom Mock, Lordstown spokesman, said the problem pertains to “material provided by a supplier ... that could impact customer satisfaction with our products.”

Several workers indicated the problem has to do with the struts of the vehicle.

Mock said the production interruption will be diagnosed on a day-to-day basis.

Dave Green, president of United Auto Workers Local 1714, said he was informed of the shutdown at about 10 a.m. Monday,

“At this point we’re just kind of working with some of our members to see where they are going to be,” he said.

Green said he did not know how long the production hiccup will last.

Those working today’s second shift will work an abbreviated shift; third shift and subsequent shifts are postponed until further notice.

Skilled trades employees will continue reporting to their regular shifts.

This is the second unexpected shutdown this year at the plant.

GM halted production at Lordstown for five days in March after a fire at Magna International Inc., a Howell, Mich-based supplier.

For details, see Tuesday's Vindicator and watch Vindy.com.


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1Harley_Guy(120 comments)posted 3 years ago

Gov't Motors is just gearing up for next year when they will have a series of stoppages (in all plants) followed by starts again - this in turn will reflect on the unemployment numbers and will help Obama look good towards the elections...

Good old Gov't Motors - still screwing the same people that had trust in them for years!!

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2Harley_Guy(120 comments)posted 3 years ago

DAL - I have no problem with the people that work for Gov't Motors ... the problem I have is that they screwed all the people that had trust in GM before the bail out - they file bankruptcy and screw the lowly stock holders but make sure the Gov't stock options are fine ... you think this is a people friendly company? Do you think they would think twice about screwing the people again; regardless if you work for them or not? My father also worked for them; 37 years, and he has A LOT of ill words to say about Gov't Motors so just because your father doesn't have anything bad to say there are A LOT out there that do!

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3hankchanaski(29 comments)posted 3 years ago

Fandflee is a disease. This clown didnt have anything bad to say about gm as long as HE was receiving a paycheck from gm. This person is a hypocrite and an fool. This person exemplifies the term unethical.

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4fomoco(3 comments)posted 3 years ago

That's why I buy fords

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5snydro0108(61 comments)posted 3 years ago

Is this really suprising? I mean, a shutdown before the holidays, paid....can't beat that! I wish MY employer paid for ME to not have to come to work, but I have to get up everyday and go to work....for a company that has never once had to accept a government bailout and never once screwed over its 21,000 retirees!! GM stinks! And the sooner you realize it, the sooner the "suppliers" will get back to work!

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6DwightK(1304 comments)posted 3 years ago

Lots of opinions but no facts. Must be Monday.

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7hankchanaski(29 comments)posted 3 years ago

I love how people who dont work at gm lordstown, know whats going on there. I hate to burst your bubble, but nobody with any sense is worried about gm lordstown. We are going to be just fine, diesel cruze, 2 door cruze, and possible hybrid cruze. Honestly i dont know how we are going to keep up. BTW, most of you pencil pushers couldnt last until first break. Quit hating, and just be glad gm is still in our community.

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8hankchanaski(29 comments)posted 3 years ago

Big bad fandflee the engineer, didnt realize the ship was sinking at delphi? Sure he/she did, he/she was just too busy cashing those checks for martini lunch hour to care. AGAIN, lets start placing blame for the delphi situation where it is due. Who was ceo of delphi when they went belly-up? What political party (republican) had complete control of federal legislation at the time of delphi going bankrupt? Fandflee thought he/she was part of the 1% at delphi, in reality they werent. Towing the company line and treating the hourly worker poorly blew-up in this persons face. He/she just cant wrap their head around the company screwing them, after all their management, their the ones who are supposed to do the screwing, not he other way around. Write gwb, maybe he can help.

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9Thunderchicken(15 comments)posted 3 years ago

God I love GM stories on vindy.com!

This no doubt will have the GM'ers versus to the non-GM'ers trading barbs.

Idiotic comments on both sides.

Non-thoughtout posts on pure emotion.

Republican versus Democrat.

Getcha popcorn ready.

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10VINDYAK(1799 comments)posted 3 years ago

Since F&E left the wings of GM, I see their quality has improved.

F&E reminds me of a bitter employee who always finds something to complain about. I bet he never had anything good to say about his employer when he was working, thus the employer felt no sorrow in legally cutting his benefits under a bankruptcy.

Many of us have faced the same circumstances, but we have moved on. I myself have lost my potential retirement benefits from the sale of my former employer's business. My wife lost most of her retirement benefits where she worked when she was forced to take a very early retirement or get laid off.

We have recovered. We have moved on, because dwelling on the past leads to an early death. For your own sake F&E, move on before you kick the bucket and everyone remembers you as the knucklehead who complained and complained til he finally died and made everyone happy.

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11hankchanaski(29 comments)posted 3 years ago

Fandflee should have retired under gm when he/she had the chance. You see, this person conveniently leaves this little piece of info out of his rants. BTW, under the last contract, we couldnt strike. Shows exactly what fandflee doesnt know. He/she is the smartest former delphi engineer NOT to have a job.

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12captdinger(108 comments)posted 3 years ago

And the typical valley "no-it-alls" continue on with their negativity. What I find amazing is nobody seems to talk about back in 1979 when Chrysler under the chairmanship of Lee Iacocca borrowed 1.75 billion dollars from the government when old Jimmy Carter was president and they paid it back just as GM did. Nothing negative there. You guys need to move on with your life. GM is the best the valley has and will continue to be.

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13hankchanaski(29 comments)posted 3 years ago

Your a liar. Early buyouts were a mainstay of gm and delphi. You most certainly could have taken a early buyout, it didnt matter if you were management or union. You are a liar trying to perpetuate falsehoods. Believe it or not, sometimes the buyout for management was better than ones offered to hourly workers. This person fandflee is lower than i even gave them credit for. OUT AND OUT LIES! Still havent read this person blaming the people actually responsible for his situation at delphi. Sounds like martini lunch hour has evolved into an all-day drunk-fest. How else could you expect others to believe out-right lies?

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14rocky14(733 comments)posted 3 years ago

FairandEqual

When hourly employees used to lose their jobs,you salary workers could care less.
Now the shoe is on the other foot.
Suck it up big guy!

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15rocky14(733 comments)posted 3 years ago

I'M glad GM made it--I still get some of my money from them.

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16hankchanaski(29 comments)posted 3 years ago

Fandflee sure could have taken a buyout. You would think that someone with all that education would have been smart enough to take it. I know alot of hourly people who knew enough to get out under gm contract. Maybe fandflee just isnt as smart as they believe they are, Should have joined the union when you people had the chance. I am sure now your going to tell us all how salaried employees at delphi didnt have the chance to join the union. Newsflash, that would be a lie also.

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17rocky14(733 comments)posted 3 years ago

You are right.
Any group can petition to join a Union--including Salary workers.

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18Superman(31 comments)posted 3 years ago

Fair and Equal has every right to be mad at GM for how they shafted the Delphi salaried workers. I know that the current GM workers would be equally as mad if they faced the same situation. Then there is the stockholders, many of whom were senior citizens and whose stock holdings were mostly gm stock and whose lives were changed for the worse when gm went bankrupt. Funny, how the gm workers show little remorse for them and the "I got mine" mentality is on display for all to see. It's unflattering and anyone considering a Cruze, should buy a Ford since they didn't file bankruptcy.

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19faith(200 comments)posted 3 years ago

yesterday in the detriot free press "Detroit Three gain market share in 2011"

I guess Americans are starting to buy American. Thanks F&E, GM will be the #1 auto manufacturer in the WORLD!

FYI, the struts are made in the USA and the issue will be corrected. Great job Lordstown, the workers caught the problem before bad parts got to the customers.

America works when Americans do!!

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20faith(200 comments)posted 3 years ago

F&E = superman

lol, nice try

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21faith(200 comments)posted 3 years ago

We do care about folks loosing their benefits, BUT the more crying and wishing of ill will on the thousands that need GM to live, the less we care. I know two wrongs do not make a right but DAMN F&E, take it to court.

O ya, you lost that one too..............

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22faith(200 comments)posted 3 years ago

Contrary to popular belief, unions are approached by the workers to join. They don't just show up with cards.

FYI, GM does employ unionized salaried workers .

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23hankchanaski(29 comments)posted 3 years ago

Nice try fandflee. For someone who talks about ethics, you sure dont have any. Salaried employees at delphi had the chance to join the union back in the day, they also had many opportunities to buyout. Of course your not going to admit either issue, it would just make you look even more dumb. Just point out in any of my comments where i said i was going to talk to jim grahm. You cant. So take your lies and find some other management jerk to play pretend with.

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24faith(200 comments)posted 3 years ago

Why would the UAW support someone that says dont buy their products. Don't you get it F&E, the more you badmouth the bread and butter of this valley, the less credit you have. At first, ok, we get it. But now you sound stupid.

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2589must(21 comments)posted 3 years ago

F and E
if i'm wrong tell me delphi and gm became 2 separate companies right? wich at that point means you no longer work for gm right? you work for delphi so explain to us all how gm owes you a pension and benefits. so now you are asking for anybodies help to get gm to take care of you when you didnt even work for gm

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26slappysmith(55 comments)posted 3 years ago

i think f and e is stan under a hider account

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27whitesabbath(738 comments)posted 3 years ago

Save your money while you make it GM people...

I personally seen what happend to the GM plant shutting down in Wisconsin.

For years , my friends would buy new houses, cars, motorcycles all kinds of toys with loans because they really thought they where good for life.

I was able to buy several TOYS , cheap just so they could just make house payments.

If you are able, buy everything with cash, never a loan.

Anyway good luck to all
and

GO PACK !!!!!!!! WOO HOOO

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28Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 3 years ago

fairand got yours
If you don't want GM badmouthed, then have the UAW stand up and support the effort to end the discrimination against the one worker group
This is a lie and you know it you where given a chance to join the UAW and you turn them down.
Hope you and yours have a Marry Christmas .

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2989must(21 comments)posted 3 years ago

fairandequal werent you salaried? so why would the union help you

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30faith(200 comments)posted 3 years ago

Why would the UAW support someone that says dont buy their products. Don't you get it F&E, the more you badmouth the bread and butter of this valley, the less credit you have. At first, ok, we get it. But now you sound stupid.

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3189must(21 comments)posted 3 years ago

F and E what part of you are not part of the uaw dont you get as part of management you fought against the union and didnt pay pay dues now you want the same representation as uaw members who pay there dues as a life long resident of this valley i know several people retired and active, management and hourly from delphi, gm, and the fab plant who dont understand your beef with gm your beef is with delphi they screwed you not gm and not the uaw

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3289must(21 comments)posted 3 years ago

now i see why people dont argue with you, you twist everything and the uaw does not represent the salaried worker you sound like a typical salaried worker, "we dont want to screw you just the company you work for"

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3389must(21 comments)posted 3 years ago

i'm done have a nice day everyone

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34walter_sobchak(1982 comments)posted 3 years ago

Anyone that takes an OBJECTIVE look at the Delphi salaried employees situation would see that they got shafted by GM and the Federal govt. The Feds decided on the winners and losersin the bailout and it was a complete payback to the UAW for supporting Barack Hussein Obama. Now, from the union prospective, I wouldn't expect them to worry about salaried employees because of the adversarial relationship. All the union cares about is the number of members they have working and paying union dues.Maybe a traditional bankruptcy process would have given all the parties a say. But, these people got screwed, just as the GM bondholders and the stockholders of old GM. The grip that big money has on our political leaders is staggering and nobody is looking out for the general interrests of the little guy.

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35hankchanaski(29 comments)posted 3 years ago

The government picking winners and losers isnt anything new. The union supported obama, most salary/management types are taught to vote republican, because they are above the hourly worker. What is unbelievably dumb on fandflees part, is that when he was at delphi, all the gm haters hated him, because he worked at delphi/gm, no other reason. Now this clown is with the haters. He/she is a hypocrite who is mad the crap bomb landed on him, instead of the hourly person. You see, typically when the government picks winners, they dont pick the middel-class person as the winner. If fandflee was an advocate for people from the steel industry (republic steel, copperweld,all the mills in youngstown that shut-down) who had the very same thing happen to them, then he would have some credibility. Bottom line, he/she is a spoiled former delphi engineer, who hung out all day racking up big dollars sitting on his behind all day. Most engineers i have encountered couldnt find their behind with both hands. Martini lunch hour engineers are the reason why supplier issues happen. I have sympathy for people who work for a company (delphi) that files bankruptcy and leaves the workers holding the bag. We need to vote in politicians who will enact legislation that will make it a whole lot harder for ceo's and upper management to act so recklessly. People like fandflee, got what they deserved.

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36walter_sobchak(1982 comments)posted 3 years ago

hank,
Maybe you tried your hand at engineering school and couldn't get past calculus. It is the mathematical tool used to weed out those not smart enough to be classified a true engineer. The line engineers are not the cause of the downfall of Packard Electric. They were known to have some of the best electrical/mechanical engineering minds in the world. They devised some amazing devices and systems, as did Delco. Kettering was a brilliant engineer who invented devices that are still in use today, 75 years since their invention. GM upper management forgot what made it such a dominant world power and made bad business decisions on the poor advice of accountants and lawyers.

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37faith(200 comments)posted 3 years ago

Bla bla bla, workers get screwed every day. As long as there is greed, workers will need to fight for their rights. This is why unions came about and this is why unions are needed in society.

As for GM, I support the company that is pumping millions into this valley every week. Not just for the 4500 UAW workers but also for those at comp logistics, falcon, flex n gate, car carriers, rail road workers (yes cruzes are shipped by rail) and all the other suppliers, many more throughout the state and country some union and some not.

UAW retirees also took hits but were the group that fared the best because the UAW had language in their contract to protect those workers. Some want to distort the truth because they are always saying what a waste it is to pay union dues. Those dues dollars are the best insurance for your job that money can buy.

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38cambridge(3107 comments)posted 3 years ago

FairandEqual.....You worked for Delphi when they went bankrupt during the bush administration. Since you have been wronged by Delphi why don't you hire a lawyer and sue them? If you are truly in the right there will be no shortage of lawyers lining up for their cut of the pie. I've asked you several times, "why don't you sue Delphi" and you completely ignore the question every time, just like I'm sure you will this time too. Aren't you just a little embarrassed to be constantly crying on this site the way you do?

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39hankchanaski(29 comments)posted 3 years ago

@sobckecky....I still have my job, no need to DOWNGRADE to former delphi engineer status. Yeah, your right, delphi was filled with the best and brightest engineers in the world. NOT! Delphi went under because of Know nothing, do nothing martini lunch hour salaried jerks like fandflee, and possibly yourself. Delphi was filled with slaried dopes sucking up huge salaries and benefits, that when they spun-off, delphi on their own, delphi couldnt handle. Why else would a company still doing business with gm go under? Upper management at delphi screwed you people, not obama, not the uaw, other salaried/management screwed you. I hope it sinks in and you clowns start placing blame where it is needed.
@cambride..I would love for your question to be answered also. My guess is that these poeple are too pro management to admit they would essentially have to sue their own kind. Instead they want to blame the union and obama. It tells you exactly where these people are politically (obviously republican). By not learning the lesson at delphi, they are doomed to have it done to them again. Some might categorize this as being gullible/stupid.

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40cambridge(3107 comments)posted 3 years ago

F&E.....If you have no legal case against anyone I suggest you move on with your life and stop embarrassing yourself.

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41walter_sobchak(1982 comments)posted 3 years ago

hank,
Nope, don't work for Delphi or GM. Just an engineer that can think and I know that GM upper management screwed the people from Packard. F&E is totally correct. My only contact with Packard was visiting a plant to address a structural issue with the building as a contractor. I saw the "piecework" that "assemblers(?)" were doing on automated machines with wire connectors. The worker was collecting bundles of wires, banding them, and placing them in a basket. We knew it was a matter of time until this work would be sent out of the country. Packard Electric was a marvelous company that made GM billions! Delphi is a sham corporation invented by GM to shed jobs so that they could reduce their legacy costs.

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42hankchanaski(29 comments)posted 3 years ago

@sobchek..Why doesnt your buddy fandflee, just say one time what you just did. UPPER MANAGEMENT SCREWED HIM/HER, not uaw or obama? You can say what you want about the hourly worker at packard, they werent the issue, anyone that says otherwise is ignorant, or like yourself and has but a brief experience with packard. Walking through during an open-house for 20 minutes, doesnt give you an exact idea of what took place there on a daily basis.

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43hankchanaski(29 comments)posted 3 years ago

WOW! What a MORON!

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4489must(21 comments)posted 3 years ago

F and E yes you got screwed, but tell us how a company you no longer work for [GM] owes you anything, you where working for delphi when they filed for bankrupty and they where completely separate from gm at that time please tell us, and i dont want to hear "it's the right thing to do"

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4589must(21 comments)posted 3 years ago

F and E since you hate GM so much and want nothing to do with there products why would you even take a dime in benefits from them. and remember you were management nothing was guaranteed or is guaranteed

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46faith(200 comments)posted 3 years ago

openminded, I love my Cruze. my neighbor works there and there are no more houses for sale on my street ever since lordstown went 3 shifts.
That $161 M is like one pay day in taxes. Prob better to get that $ in the local economy every week that to cry about not getting it one time.

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47hankchanaski(29 comments)posted 3 years ago

Nice to see some comments from people with some sense!

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48Superman(31 comments)posted 3 years ago

Sobchak and F&E are about the only people who make sense in this argument. GM shafted F&E and the Delphi salaried workers of that there is no doubt. GM got preferential bankruptcy treatment that shafted tons of people also, stock holders and bond holders. Those who came out smelling like roses are all happy and hate those who want to paint the true picture. I get it. Anyone who buys a GM car is either just not much of a thinker or has connections to GM.

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49hankchanaski(29 comments)posted 3 years ago

superman=fande
fande=moron

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50Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 3 years ago

GM spun off Delphi because The management of Delphi wanted it to do so, so they could build things for other companyies and they did not trust Delphi if they were part of GM . Fair and got his . Used to walk around and brag that he did not work for GM / we got rid of that load around our necks . Now he wants to go back 9/10 years and said GM is at fault , GM owes us , the UAW/ IUE owes us .
It is pople like him that made the decisions that brought down Delphi . Not the workers , not GM ,not anybody but people like fair . And because of his BAD decisions he is full of hate and blame. He is striking out at those( the unions/GM/ Obama) who did try to help him and he turned them down .It is best just to feel sorry for him and let him rant on in his blind hate

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51Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 3 years ago

The only lies are the ones in your hate filled mine

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5289must(21 comments)posted 3 years ago

FREE i agree 100%

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5389must(21 comments)posted 3 years ago

F and E your no one has disputed a single fact with because you refuse to listen to a single fact anyone has all you say is read up get the facts what happened to me was unethical and it was, but it was all done legally in the eye of the courts
here is one fact for you when gm and delphi spun off from each other you where no longer an employee of gm you where an employee of delphi wich means gm has no obligation to you or any other salaried employee

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54Superman(31 comments)posted 3 years ago

The real test is if the shoe was on the other foot and it was the Delphi salaried who got theirs and the GM union workers got shafted, how would these arguments change? I think it's pretty obvious the pro GM side is only people who got made whole. I doubt the stock and bond holders feel they got a fair (and equal) shake.

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55Superman(31 comments)posted 3 years ago

Speaking of facts, they are simple.

Stockholders got the shaft. Bond holders got the shaft. The UAW got to keep their jobs only because the Obama admin needed their votes and contributions so a "special" bankruptcy was constructed just for them. It was sold to the electorate as preventing a depression that is suspect at best. Delphi salaried were shafted.

GM got rid of its subsidiaries in order to cut costs, mostly labor costs.

Buy Ford.

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56faith(200 comments)posted 3 years ago

UAW had a LEGAL BINDING CONTRACT. Many of the UAW GM members also lost their a$$ in stocks. Everyone looses out when a company goes bankrupt. How much and who is up to a court of law, not the President of the United States of America.

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5789must(21 comments)posted 3 years ago

F and E
i said you were screwed in an earlier post
but it does not change the fact that you worked for delphi its own company since 1999 not gm

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58faith(200 comments)posted 3 years ago

F&E we have been here before, all contracts are not void in a bankruptcy, the court determines that issue not the President of the USA.

UAW's contract with GM was deemed binding with modifications which the UAW membership had to vote on and approve.

You did not work for GM nor were you a UAW member. So you got the shaft. Get in line, many people came up short. The UAW membership gave concessions to help their retirees, IBEW , pattern makers unions, and salaried workers were not so lucky. IUE unions did get a top up but it is neither full or forever.

Your story is not new to working Americans. This happened to my grandparents. One was a supervisor and one was union. Who made out better when the steel mills went out of business? It was the one that had a LEGAL BINDING CONTRACT!!

unions = insurance for your job. Is that fair?? We can debate the issue forever but I know life ain't fair and that's why I have insurance...

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59faith(200 comments)posted 3 years ago

FairandEqual(550 comments)posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago said; "Thanks for verifying that the "power" of union membership buys insurance & influence in the political world."

The political world is all around you. It was in high school, on the sports team, at work, and just about everyplace in life. In politics people pick sides. I support you and you support me.

Union membership does not "buy" insurance & influence, it demands it. When my car gets damaged, I have a contract that says what is covered. Same thing with my house. If it burns down of no fault of my own, I demand to be paid to replace it because i have a LEGAL BINDING CONTRACT.

Now if my insurance company goes bankrupt, a judge will determine what that company owes me based on my LEGAL BINDING CONTRACT.

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60Superman(31 comments)posted 3 years ago

In nearly all bankrutpcies, contracts are null and void. It's why companies choose bankruptcy bcause they don't have the financial where with all to pay their obligations. Somehow, the UAW came out nearly unscathed which is curious at the very least and convenient if you're Obama trying to win key states where the UAW has large numbers. They picked winners and losers and that's not what bankruptcy is supposed to be used for.

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6189must(21 comments)posted 3 years ago

superman bankruptcy is just that to determine who gets what and in every bankruptcy someone's gonna lose thats how the game is played

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6289must(21 comments)posted 3 years ago

F and E
you where 10 years removed from working for gm when they filed for bankruptcy they do not owe you anything unless you had a contract with them your beef is with delphi and remember i think you and the rest of the salaried employees got screwed but just because you dont like what happened doesnt mean you can go back 10 years to a former employer and tell them they have to give you your retirement and benefits because youre current employer wont

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6389must(21 comments)posted 3 years ago

why would that matter?

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6489must(21 comments)posted 3 years ago

openminded
i agree too

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65faith(200 comments)posted 3 years ago

fun like going to the dentist.

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66casper77(136 comments)posted 3 years ago

F$BS ,do you know of anybody who would support you when you call them ,thugs ,stupid,uneducated, lazy ,stoogies ,etc. You give up a chance to join a Union but you said ,I don't need no stinking Union ,yet you want their help. You help cut Union jobs ,don't see you supporting any of them to get what they deserve but you want their support. Look at all the people you screwed. You said you supported the people at Copperweld,That was only the people in management you tried to help ,not Union people. I'm who you call X-nip since the censors will block out my screen name in the Trib

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67hankchanaski(29 comments)posted 3 years ago

Bottom line, fandflee is owed nothing. As another poster pointed out, bankruptcy is a tool used by companies to screw former employees. So lets vote in politicians who will make it a whole lot more difficult for companies to accomplish this terrible act of destroying peoples lives. The tiny shred of respect i had for fandflee dissolved when this person said he/she is posting his opinion and not FACTS. This is management/salaried employee in a nutshell. Management will screw one another 1000 times quicker than a union worker will screw another union worker. These people cant even be trusted to post FACT. Thats why i tell fandflee to write gwb, he was leader of this country while delphi was being fleeced. I will guarantee alot of money went from upper management at delphi , to campaign contributions for republican politicians. Dont ask Obama, or the uaw for help, ask the politicians you people (management) supported (republicans).

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68shortee15(10 comments)posted 3 years ago

All this talk has put me in the mood to buy a new GM vehicle. I can do that because after i was laid off from my job, instead of spending my time blaming my former employer for my situation, I simply went out and got an even better job. Now I can afford a brand new Chevy! Bitterness is so unhealthy and inefficient ...

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69hankchanaski(29 comments)posted 3 years ago

@shortee..AMEN!

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70southsidedave(4850 comments)posted 3 years ago

There seems to be a lot of hostility and bitterness in this posting session.

You can't spend your life being upset about things you have no control over.

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71hankchanaski(29 comments)posted 3 years ago

@dave.. I agree. The core issue here seems to be, at least for some, is people who work for gm versus those who dont. If you work at gm, you are middle-class, no matter what fox news tells you. Not one hourly worker at gm is creating generational wealth to pass on for generations. Yet, some of our more naive commenter's, want to buy into this premise. Greed, on the corporate level is destroying our country, not unions, not social security, not medicare, not ui benefits, not wellfare. There is plenty of money to accomplish all these programs. The problem is, the money is being extracted by those at the top of the food-chain (the wealthy). This is easily accomplished by the wealhty because they are allowed to purchase politicians. Campaign finance reform is our only way out.

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72captdinger(108 comments)posted 3 years ago

Shortee15, you nailed buddy. Another item is, a lot of people tried working at GM and couldn't handle it and quit. Now all they do is blame GM out of bitterness and jealousy.

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