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YSU faculty calls off strike



Published: Fri, August 26, 2011 @ 12:00 a.m.

By DENISE DICK

denise_dick@vindy.com

Youngstown

Faculty at

Youngstown State University called off a planned strike just hours after the union rejected what the university administration called its final, best offer.

At 7 p.m., Sherry Linkon, a spokeswoman for the more than 400-member union, announced the offer was rejected by a “pretty substantial majority.”

“We’re very sorry to have to go on strike,” Linkon told members of the media.

But shortly after 10 p.m., Linkon issued a news release reversing from announced strike plans.

“Youngstown State University’s faculty union has decided to call off the strike scheduled for Friday. This will allow classes to begin on Monday,” she said in a statement.

“Just as the students stood up for us, we are now standing up for the students. Continuing to work will release financial aid for the students and ensure that the fall semester will start on time,” she said.

Ron Cole, YSU spokesman said: “We are pleasantly surprised by this turn of events and the union’s decision not to strike. At this time we are prepared and willing to sit down with the union and hear what they have to say.”

Most importantly, this will mean that classes will start as planned on Monday. It also means that the process of disbursing financial aid to student will begin today, he said.

“As we’ve said all along, these are difficult times for the university. We are facing enormous budget challenges that require sacrifices across the campus,” Cole said.

Linkon said the executive committee hopes its action will not weaken the union’s bargaining position. It recently described a strike as the organizations’s best bargaining chip.

But, she said, a strike comes with a lot of cost for a lot of people. This helps demonstrate to the community how reasonable we are being and have been during negotiations. “We hope the YSU administration will respond in a similar spirit,” Linkon said.

She said there had not been time to gauge the response to the membership to the action. “We hope they will understand. We think we will have their support,”

There were some members who suggested this path this afternoon, so it should not have come as a complete surprise, Linkon said.

She said a membership meeting had not been scheduled but said one would probably be called next week.

Earlier in the evening, YSU

President Cynthia E. Anderson had issued a statement expressing the university’s disappointment in the vote to strike.

“We recognize that this is a difficult contract, and we understand that accepting concessions is not easy. These are, however, unprecedented economic times for the university, the state and the nation. The budgetary challenges we face are enormous. Sacrifice by all is necessary in order for the university to live within its means this year and into the future.”

The union has contended that though members are willing to make some concessions in recognition of the economy, they believe the university can afford more than what’s being offered.

Stan Guzell, chief negotiator for the faculty, said the university has the money but wants to use it for other goals.

“It’s not that they don’t have the money, it’s that they want to spend it on things that don’t include” the faculty union, he said.

Later in the evening Guzell called on the university to return to the bargaining table.

“We hope to continue talks as soon as possible.”

Sudershan Garg, chairman of the YSU Board of Trustees, said in a statement that the board stands unified and firmly behind the contract offer.

“The board’s responsibility is to ensure the financial viability of this institution, and we take that responsibility seriously,” he said. “This was our last, best and final offer; it represents the steps needed to help the university regain its financial footing. I had hoped that the faculty would recognize that.”

The offer called for no raises in the first two years with a 2 percent increase in the third. It also called for increased contributions for health care with union members’ increase phased in over the life of the pact.

The just-expired contract provides that the union contribute 1.5 percent of salaries to health insurance premiums for a family plan and 0.75 percent for a single plan.

The university’s proposal called for faculty to pay 10 percent of the premium the first year, 12 percent in the second year and 15 percent in the third year, according to a university statement. YSU’s proposal also calls for higher deductibles and co-pays paid by the union.

Though faculty salary minimums are $75,674 for professors, $64,215 for associate professors, $51,238 for assistant professors and $38,689 for instructors, the university pointed out that the average faculty salary is $72,213.

Salaries range from $39,832 to $161,321, according to YSU.

YSU also wants a reduction in pay for summer school, from 3.75 percent of their nine-month salary per credit hour that they teach to

3 percent of their nine-month salary per credit hour to teach a summer course. The summer school pay is in addition to what faculty members earn during the nine-month school year.

The university has said the cost of its last, best offer to each faculty member would be about $1,000 per year for the increased health- care contribution. That doesn’t include summer school and some of the other reductions.

The union put that estimate at between $5,000 and $10,000 including summer school.

The university’s statement said that this summer, 53 faculty members were paid between $15,000 and $20,000 for summer school; 26 were paid between $20,000 and $25,000; 13 were paid $25,000 to $30,000; and seven were paid more than $30,000.

Guzell said the fact-finder’s report previously rejected by university trustees would cost the university about $1.3 million over the three-year contract. The 3.5 percent tuition increase in effect this fall is expected to generate about $3.2 million, he said.

The union had been expected to begin picketing about 8 a.m. today.

Regardless of a strike, the university had planned for operations to continue as usual today. The first day of fall semester classes is scheduled for Monday.

The U.S. Department of Education had directed YSU not to disburse financial aid until the threat of a strike is removed.

While the voting was going on, a group of about 40 student supporters of the union chanted in support of the faculty outside of the building.

Linkon said members could hear the students from inside of the Butler North church building where they were voting and it was encouraging.

Anderson, in a letter to students, acknowledged the difficulty of the situation.

“I know this a worrisome, stressful and uncertain time for all students,” she wrote. “I also know that some of you are angry, and I understand that as well. I ask for your patience. While it may be hard to see past all of the turmoil, the administration and faculty remain committed to your success here at YSU. We will get through this.”


Comments

1WilliamSwinger(341 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Not even strong enough to back up the threats for a single day?!?! What a JOKE! If you faculty are all so highly educated and skilled then how can you screw things up so badly? Now everybody is mad because you are toying around. As a result you lost all power at the bargaining table, are going to have to settle for whatever the administration says and you pushed SB5 closer to success by showing us all that public sector unions are absurd. You might want to rethink how smart and elite you all are. From here it looks like this circus is run by a bunch of fools. You should never have called a strike if you didn't intend to follow through. Nobody likes a union that cries "Wolf!"

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2StudGerbil(10 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

The faculty is smart enough not to hand Kasich any ammo in his war against the middle class.

Union business can me good, bad, ugly and everything in between, but it is sure a hell of a lot better than not having a choice.

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3oldmillspice(160 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

SB 5 Will Fail anyway . The days of union thuggery are over . These professional teachers have shown that maybe they do care about students. These are lean times, when and if the economy improves they will get more money - benefits .

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4UnionForever(1470 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

These greedy selfish union professionals once again take us to the brink of a strike then quit. YSU admin did the right thing.

SB5 will see the vast majority of Ohio voters say YES in November. Everyone has had enough already of the public employee union threats in this very bad economy with both the taxpayers and state in economic trouble.

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5chuck_carney(499 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

PRESIDENT CYNTHIA ANDERSON AND THE YSU BOARD ARE LIARS

So says Professor Russo on WKBN radio. Russo teaches labor practices and other courses at the Willaimson college of business

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6Woodley(26 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

This is to the anti-union IDIOTS! The founders of the Constitution were white affuent, land owners that were white men. If you were a less than rich white man, a white woman, a black person(SLAVE), a native American(SAVAGE), you had no rights. "We the People" only included those that ran the Government. The white woman struggled from 1878 to 1920 just to have th right to vote. The black man and the Native American are still SLAVES and SAVAGES in the eyes of the indiots and rich who yet control the power. The reason for unions was because of slave labor and wages and unsafe working conditions. The anti-union idiots, the Kasich, Walker, the Tea Party Movement, the lovers of the rich and therefore lovers of money FIRST, won't be happy until the USA becomes another Egypt and Libya. One day the real people are going to get tired of being oppressed politicians, coroporate leaders, banks and othres who give themselves outrageous financial advantage while demeaning and giving crumbs to the workers. The USA will not be distroyed from the outside so-called terrorist, but from the greedy terrorists that governed this country, the busineses and our colleges.

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7NoBS(2002 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

JD,, so "All men are created equal" except for public employees, huh? And UF - cripes, you get what you want, no strike, and you STILL spew union-hate? You need help.

As for the VIndy, they still fail to mention that it was the administration's choice to withhold that financial aid money, and they sure underplay the union's decision to call off the strike so that the semester can get underway on schedule. This is yet another concession the union made to the administration, and no notice of that from the so-called "news."

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8kari9628(4 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Education_Voter please refer to the below link. It will show that YSU ranks 6 out of 12 in the state in pay.

http://hr.osu.edu/statistics/ohfacsal...

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9db(280 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Thank you kari; your web link is enlightening. $121,000 to teach 6 hours a week 9 months out of the year at little old YSU and they demand even more. These hogs need deflated.

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10piak(508 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Let's not bring race into this union problem.
The Civil War was fought by MOSTLY whites. It was whites who organized as Abolitionists; they fed the fire that ultimately led to the War.

Those same slave holders of the South were mostly Democrats. Understand that! They sent their children to Yale and Harvard for educations,but a lot of others sent their kids to England or France for their educations. And when they came back home, they CONTINUED to maintain the horror of Slavery. So much for "Liberal" education.

Unions? The southern Democrats tried to break up our "union" of states in 1861. Too bad it took over 300,000 dead for BOTH sides to settle the matter. Six hundred thousand dead!

No, this faculty strike is only beginning to be settled. Either way, we all lose in the final outcome.

But lets quit it with the race stuff. Like, lets move on.

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11Westsider(224 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Someone from the Democrats got to the executive committee for the union. I'm sure they were "advised" to not give the SB5 proponents additional fuel. A faculty strike would have guaranteed SB5 passage in this area - which is being counted upon heavily to repeal it. Anyone who doesn't think so or who thinks the faculty are too "smart" to go on strike - is fooling themselves.

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12muf65fin(27 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Strike?
Those days are over!
Take a lesson from Boardman School System. If the faculty can't live on their salary, move
They must learn to tighten their belt like the rest of us.
They need smarter people to negotiate.
I think "Educator voter"
should get with the times. It is Dr. C. Anderson. She has a Phd. Your not a educator voter. Your a misinformed sorry voter.
NO STRIKES in this town.

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13republicanRick(1248 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Who in their right mind thinks that college professors know anything about the real world. They are book smart, real world dumb.
Those that can, do -- those that can't, teach.

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14jethead11(139 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

This is a victory for John Kasick and SB5. If it were not for SB5, right now tens of thousands of student's lives would be up in the air because of simple union greed. Students should use this as a learning experience. When unions are coddled, people get hurt (steel industry, auto industry). When we get tough with them, such as in SB5, everyone wins. The professors will do fine once things are hammered out, the administration will save TAXPAYERS money, the students will get the education they pay for. With unions under control, EVERYONE WINS.

The SB5 vote must be closer than we think if they called off the strike. Keep the fire burning until November!

As a disclosure, I graduated YSU in 1991 and I still keep in contact with my professors and my department. They are like family to me. I also support YSU and my department financially. I wish both sides all the best, but am glad the students and taxpayers are coming first, like it ought to be. Public sector employees should never hold the taxpayers hostage by striking!

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15NoBS(2002 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

How the heck is it "union greed" when it was the ADMINISTRATION who held up the financial aid payments?

Do you guys even listen to facts you that don't fit your prejudices?

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16Ridiculous(3 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Love the repubs...especially the broke ones who still vote republican because they are too blinded by bigotry to realize they're the ones who want you broke! Was this really a necessary move? No. Why ask teachers to cut pay? Wouldn't the 5 MILLION dollar project to give Ms. Cynthia Anderson a FREE HOUSE on YSU's campus be enough to cover rising health-care costs? I'm thinking someone that makes 340k a year for basically doing nothing, doesnt need a 5 million dollar house, free bills, gas, and a car. Funny how when someones poor nobody wants to give them anything, but when your rich everythings "on the house".

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17Attis(917 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

This strike was to be the poster child in the pro-SB5 propaganda campaign by Kasick and his gang who made sure that YSU would make only offers faculty had to refuse. What these rogues did not count on was the heroic willingness of abused educators to sacrifice for the sake of the common good, the landslide defeat of SB5. If the YSU board of trustees and key administrators had a scintilla of the faculty's honor, they would all resign in shame.

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18jethead11(139 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

"abused educators"? Are you serious? Keep talking, Attis. This is the kind of talk that is going to get SB5 passed.

According to the article, the lowest paid teacher gets $39,832, plus pretty much free health care. In northest Ohio right now, that's pretty good pay. Especially for working for only 9 months (and just try finding a professor working on Friday afternoon). Abused? I don't think so. But go ahead and try to make your case to the voters. Let's see what private sector workers think about the "abuse" going on at YSU.

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19southsidedave(4840 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Happy that it is over! Good for the community.

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20jethead11(139 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Here is a question for Attis and those on the left. You seem to put a lot of energy into supporting people with good jobs, great benefits, and very good work schedules. Yet you seem to have no sympathy for nearly 16,000 students who’s lives and families would be in turmoil by well-to-do people going out on strike. You defend auto works, some of which make nearly $80 an hour, when there are people struggling to make ends meet, who would do a far better job in many cases than the greedy union worker. The left is supposed to be about the little guy, but you only seem to care about the well-to-do. I became a Republican when I saw this about 20 years ago. Right now, SB5 and the Republicans are the only ones fighting for the taxpayer and the little guy, at least in Ohio.

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21ysufaculty11(4 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

One point which is being missed is how all this hurts the faculty morale as employees of the university and the area where people do not understand their value. I voted against the strike and am glad that it has been called off. But that does not mean I agree with the bashers of YSU faculty. Most of us are as hard working as you would find any where and we deserved to get paid for it. I remember from having been on hiring committees for faculty various good candidates rejecting our job offers because of uncompetitive salaries. It is just a shame that we are underpaid (not only compared to the private sector employees with our qualifications), but also other university faculty in ohio. Everyone in the faculty is taking a paycut between 4-7%. That is when I am working more and more hours. Now, my only hope is to work even more and look for jobs elsewhere (not only for higher pay, but also for some respect I very well deserve). I was already worried about this area and was hoping that ysu as a major employer would continue to put in efforts to revive it. I am not worried about paying for health care more. Very fact that I voted for the 'best' offer is evidence of it. I am worried about the long term future of this university and treatment of its main assets, which are students and faculty. People who fail to recognize that need to be worried too. Let us please end the propaganda and recognize that.

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22adminstinkonice(2 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

If the finances of YSU are in that bad of shape with record enrollment and continually increasing tuition, it is a sign that Anderson and her administration are incompetent and need to be fired by the Board of Trustees. That said, the buck stops with the Board of Trustees who have also shown that they cannot successfully oversee the University and they need to be replaced by the Governor. Oh wait a second, there is no oversight of Trustees, hence there is no oversight of the YSU administration. Why are the Trustees, in charge of Universities, NEVER given performance reviews.

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23kari9628(4 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

YSU faculty11 according to the document posted by OSU you are dead center in the state in regards to pay. I doubt most would consider that underpaid.

Education_Voter the difference between a EdD and a PhD is that one is theory bases and the other is more practical. I wouldn’t call hands on easier.

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24ysufaculty11(4 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

@Kari9628

My friend, you are just looking for 2010-11 numbers. The previous year ranks are much lower. I also want to highlight the point that these are averages, which can be inflated by a few individuals (who are earning more and deservedly so). But a high majority of us do not make that much and are well under paid. I read one poster crib about those average salaries. But how many of the area residents have Phds. My point is we gotta be paid according our qualifications. I have never heard anybody complain why doctors make so much here in youngstown because they are paid according to their qualifications. We dont make even a quarter of what they make. But we need respect and need to be paid what we deserve.

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25kari9628(4 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Education_voter I did not hear the show so just to be clear Mr. Schulick said that YSU faculty are the lowest paid in the state? Just want to make sure I am understanding what you are saying.

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26republicanRick(1248 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

YSUfaculty - it is funny to listen about how you complain about your hurt feelings, about how low morale is among the teachers. Geez, grow up. Things are tough out here in the real world. It is time you too took a step back in pay and benefits like the rest of us.
Your decision is simple, teach at the University or get a real job.

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27Ridiculous(3 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

@jethead

If you really think republicans are fighting for the little guy, i got two gallons of snake oil that would do wonders for you, as you seem to be frequent consumer.

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28tigger010508(4 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

People who are ignorant of the issues should not write comments. It only makes you sound more ignorant.
First, an EdD is absolutely less intense, less time-consuming, and less competative, and therefore easier to obtain, than a PhD. While someone with an EdD is still a "Dr.", it is not held to the same esteem as someone with a PhD because of the ease of obtaining and EdD compared to a PhD.
Second, the union rescinded the strike not because we continue to receive the same benefits as we did in the expired contract (as we would have continued to receive those health benefits through December 31, 2011 regardless if there was a strike or not), but because we empathize with the students. Every single faculty member on that campus has had to live on student loans. In fact, most of us lived on student loans for a bachelor's degree, a master's degree, and a PhD. We understand the students' frustrations and angst. THAT is why we rescinded the strike.
Third, we do not make nearly the amount of money that people in the community seem to think that we make. Do we make more than the average Mahoning Valley resident? Yes. Do we have AT LEAST 5 years of advanced education beyond that of the average Mahoning Valley resident? Yes. Do we have specialization in a particular field that makes us experts in something that we then contribute to future generations so that they can become experts in a particular field? Yes. Clearly we should make more than the average resident. However, we are not rolling in dough. Many of us also struggle to make ends meet. Many of us (myslef included) have $1000/month student loan payments to make. I'm sick and tired of people talking about how greedy we are. I worked my a** off to get a PhD so that I would make a little more money than the average resident; I also work many more hours than the average resident, so I earn my money. When you read statistics about the average faculty members' salary, keep in mind that if one or two people make a large sum of money, they pull the mean up. The average salary of a YSU faculty is $75000...rest assured that I, and all of my fellow junior faculty members, make NO WHERE NEAR that amount.
C'mon people, think critically of the information you are presented. Use that brain floating around in your skull.

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29PyroForce7(1 comment)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Personally, I can't wait until school starts up Monday. The tension and angst isn't just going to be faculty against admin, it's going to be student on student as well. If nothing else, things will be interesting.

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30tigger010508(4 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Well, FairandEqual, there you go again, spouting the AVERAGE salary. You have no clue what I make as my salary, know nothing about what I actually pay for my healthcare, know nothing about the amount of work I put in at the university, know nothing about my background, clearly know nothing. Nothing I say will make you believe that I truly care about my students and want them to be successful. If that means that I don't get paid (which, by the way, because we don't have a contract, I won't get paid until there is a new contract), it means I don't get paid. But my students will still get their money, and they will still get their education. Sheltered? Again, since you know nothing about me it is quite presumptuous of you to call me sheltered. Believe what you will, I care about my students. They know it, and I know it, and that's what really matters.

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31Veleuk(18 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

tigger010508: "C'mon people, think critically of the information you are presented. Use that brain floating around in your skull."

Faculty members at other universities would have been presented with the same opportunity to earn summer time pay. So stating that "keep in mind that if one or two people make a large sum of money, they pull the mean up. ", means that you lack critical thinking as all parties could pull up their average compensation.

Also, for your lack of critical thinking head, Kasich already stated that he will use executive order to abolish collective bargaining for state employees should SB5 be over turned. Mitch Daniels abolished collective bargaining via executive order also. JFK granted federal employees collective bargaining via executive order 10988. Executive order has been used both ways.

Critical think your way out of that one.

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32Observer123(20 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

"Lock 'em out. Hire replacements"

Do you know how much time, effort and money it takes to hire just 1 new faculty member at a place like YSU? Obviously not. Replacing over 400? The place would go broke.

Also, since there is not a local pool of Ph.D. folk just hanging out in the Mahoning Valley just waiting for a job, who would want to move to a place like Youngstown with such low faculty salaries?

Amazing amount of ignorance being exhibited on these message boards over this issue. Your area seems to have little idea of how college-level education actually works.

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33EducationIsKey(10 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

@Jethead, UnionsHateAmerica and all SB5 supporters,

You're kidding, right? Please just say "O.K., we know we're full of it but wanted to see how many convoluted arguments we could throw at you. It was a cruel joke and we're sorry."

Riiiggghhht, fire all YSU faculty and find the same caliber replacements. Yep, good plan. Let me ask you: you are expected to have heart surgery and have a choice between a John Hopkins-educated M.D. making $700,000/year and a newbie out of a Caribbean med school making $40K/year. Ummm, on average, which do you think will do a better job on you?

Some here say that YSU faculty are overpaid (e.g., "39K is fine"). Several points: 1) have you spent 8 years under slave labor (i.e., graduate assistantships making ~10K/year) when you potentially could have start at 30K in the private sector?, 2) relative to comparable schools, YSU faculty IS underpaid and 3) what is the price of education?

Re: the price of education, and analogous to the doctor ex. above, it is guaranteed that education in the U.S. has been deteriorating and this process will accelerate as funding for education declines, INCLUDING faculty salaries. Yes, by all means, the economic squeezing of the middle class in general and education in particular is a key ingredient in the long-term economic growth of our country (cough). No, the middle class does not drive consumption (read economic growth) nor does education drive innovation and economic growth (cough, cough).

Vote YES for SB5 if you want to continue the path to corporate oligarchy.

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34Observer123(20 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Thanks for proving my point UnionshateAmerica.

You have a nice day now.

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35EducationIsKey(10 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

@FairandEqual,

Wrong! The 1.5% for health care is based on annual salary, not % of HC cost. This translates roughly into a 7% cost of actual health cost. Yes, this is below the private sector but so are the salaries of YSU faculty. It's a "I'll pay you less than you're worth but also reduce your HC costs."

Now, the administration not only rejected the fact finders recommendation but has said "we'll still pay you less than you're worth but also greatly increase your HC costs ... and oh, we're not going to tell you how much that actually is."

This fact is a bit different from what you portrayed.

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36Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Tigger010508 @ Remember Fair & equal is one of the salary workers from Dilphi . Who would not join the UAW . said the company will take care of him HA Then he tries to blame everybody else
Plus Remember
“Never argue with a stupid person for they will only bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience

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37EducationIsKey(10 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

@UnionshateAmerica,
"Vote no on SB5 if you want to continue the path to union oligarchy." LOL! Yes, corporations have no power whatsoever in this country and it all of it rests in unions ... Did yoo goed to publik skoolz?

Juxtapose "Caribbean" for any poor-quality U.S. med. school and my argument still stands. The point is, you get what you pay for with regards to education as well as medical treatment.

"Billions wasted on public schools." Yes, continue turning our country into a banana republic, that'll work well in the long-term.

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38dancinmoses(67 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

The majority of people commenting on these 'yellow journalism' blogs are really stupid. It's the same old story, taxpayers are tired of public employees. Let's say it AGAIN, "PUBLIC EMPLOYEES ARE ALSO TAXPAYERS" and they are NOT getting free bees, etc. like your warped minds think.

We have a dictator of a governor who is lining his pockets and the pockets of his republican cronies with YOUR taxpayer money.

Why not work towards getting an incompetent governor out of office and stop him from ruining Ohio? If you want a right to work state, move south and see how great it really is!

VOTE NO ON SB5

As for the president, she is also in the pocket of the furor, kasick.......they are ALL hypocrits and phoney.......Just wait until he has ALL the state institutions of higher learning become 'charter universities and colleges'......see what kind of a valley this will be then. All you republicans that hate public employees, what will you have when this place becomes a ghost town of toothless, uneducated, brain dead residents?

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39EducationIsKey(10 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

@dancinmoses,

I'm confused with "when this place becomes a ghost town of toothless, uneducated, brain dead residents?" Did you mean "WHY this place IS ..."

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40AnotherAverageCitizen(1175 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Jethead [post 25,

Auto worker making nearly $80.00 an hour?? REALLY????? Nearly $166,000 in salary?

Good for YSU not striking. Hopefully things work out for both sides.

Unions love america,
Most people can read and write, thanks to all those educators.
If some think YSU instructors are overpaid, go to another school. It is a free country. OH wait most of those other schools cost more and pay their instructors more.

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41Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Hi pro ( UHA) I think you pointed that out to me one time
HURTS HUH just hate those worng key hits

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42ysufaculty11(4 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

@UnionshateAmerica

I think you need to take one of my classes to intellectually stimulate yourself and not blow your ideological propaganda. That will also give you some ability to make a coherent and logical argument and not resort to insults. BTW, I am no lefto. I am as center as anyone can be.

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43tigger010508(4 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

@Veleuk, I would gladly critically think about your post, if there was anything in there to think critically about.
And @FairandEqual, thank you for proving my exact point. If you don't understand the issues, keep your mouth shut.

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44Veleuk(18 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

tigger010508: "@Veleuk, I would gladly critically think about your post, if there was anything in there to think critically about."

Ok, I will spell it out for you. The entire debate over SB 5 is irrelevant as it will become effective by executive order (I expected you to understand that with fewer words, but saying it is ok).

Why does the faculty waste anyone's time as their union will soon be disbanded?

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45valleyred(1100 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

I get this feeling from my peers that I am somewhat evil or just flat out wrong for standing firm in my support of the Administration. Although I have presented numerous facts to the discussion, I've been denigrated every step of the way.

If you are supporting the Administration on here, you may as well stop. They are right and we are wrong.

They have this elitist mindset and are looking down upon all of us... Pretty sad in my eyes.

Nobody supporting the Faculty wants to make mention of the raises they received the last three years in a recession. Nobody support the Faculty wants to pay anywhere near the average amount for health-care that those in the private sector pay, 23%. Nobody supporting the Faculty wants to recognize the $125,000 that Dr. Anderson has donated from her salary to the YSU Scholarship Foundation in the past year.

Ignore those facts.. At the end of the day, the 'educated intellectuals' are right, and the many of us with a college education or who are receiving a college education are WRONG.

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46EducationIsKey(10 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

@UnionshateAmerica,

You are a complete fool. "Those who can't (compete in the private sector?) teach." So I assume you have complete disregard for all educators. Nice and a solid argument.

So let me get this, your plan is to scrap education entirely? Yes, education is a frivolous expense. BTW, do you know what India and China are and have been doing. Do ya'? They're educating the masses are are kicking our a$$es. Your closed-minded, Ra-Ra-Ra, all educators are pseudo-elitists obviously works for you but will not for our country. Why not edumacate yourself, find out what booming economies elsewhere are doing (see India, E. Europe, China) and why U.S. has been on a long empire decline.

Education Is Key.

Sincerely,
EducationIsKey

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47EducationIsKey(10 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

@(Un)Fairand(Un)Equal,

You've got it somewhat right (note: administration says you'll be paying 10, 12, 15% annually of X ... but refuses to say what X is in year 2 and 3).

However, faculty salary is lower than the private sector as well as comparable universities, so focusing on health care costs only is unfair IMO. Again, and please let this sink in, YSU faculty have always had the "we'll pay you less but offer you cheap health care." Now, it's "we'll freeze your salary but demand you pay MUCH more in health care ... but we won't tell you how much."

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48Alexinytown(246 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Look at the salaries of the faculty on Buckeye Institute. They got a 3.5% raise in 2010. Who else in Ohio got that big of a raise amidst a lousy economy, no less in Mahoning County?

I am sorry, but I cannot shed tears for these people when they are poor mouthing us as they are making anywhere between $75,000 and $150,000 per year plus their extensive benefits package. $75K in Youngstown, OH goes a very long way, and it is insulting to the rest of us when they threat to strike because they are not making enough money.

Cry me a river and make due like the rest of us in Mahoning County.

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49Observer123(20 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

UnionshateAmerica -

If you are bed-ridden and unable to care for yourself then I apologize. Otherwise, get a f@cking life dude; you need to get out more.

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50Observer123(20 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

So your life sounds like it is pretty good. Mine sucks, but that's probably because of my liberal politics.

You have a great night!

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51franc004(71 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Huh, An Economic Policy Institute study shows that public sector workers earn on average 12 percent less than private sector workers with the same education levels, and CNN Money reports that higher ed is one of the least profitable careers based on the cost of earning the credential. Also, "Unionshate" I never quite get the point of the "I don't get X so no one else should either"--that sounds kind of like socialism to me.

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52Alexinytown(246 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Franc, higher education positions are the best kept secret in the United States.

YSU is on the low end for faculty salaries, and they are making between $75-150K per year. In Youngstown, OH. Their benefits package pushes up that salary tens of thousands more.

Many PhD programs for the serious candidate are funded through the University and usually at little cost to the candidate except for housing. And most PhD programs pay their candidates to teach while going through.

If a PhD program is over a five year period and let's say you are paying 50K per year, you are looking at 250K for your education.

Coming out of the program, your salary floor is likely going to be in the 60-70K range if you are looking at a school like YSU. If you are in a specialized field like engineering or accounting, your starting salary will be substantially higher due to a lack of professors out there for those jobs. Most of the accounting faculty is making upwards of 100K at YSU, not including their benefits.

So how exactly is this not profitable? If it takes you 10-15 years to get a PhD, then yes, I suppose it is not that profitable for any party concerned.

But come on, are you really going to say with a straight face a higher education job is not desirable?

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53franc004(71 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

From that commie rag, The New York Times:

The average student takes 8.2 years to get a Ph.D.; in education, that figure surpasses 13 years. Fifty percent of students drop out along the way, with dissertations the major stumbling block. At commencement, the typical doctoral holder is 33, an age when peers are well along in their professions, and 12 percent of graduates are saddled with more than $50,000 in debt.

No, I would not say higher education is undesirable the point is that it SHOULD be if we want to improve the valley and the country.

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54WarrenRicheyKid(167 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

It's very funny here how so many angry people will begrudge YSU faculty for fighting to stave off a large pay cut. Yes, an increase in the amount you have to pay for health insurance is a pay cut.

 Yet these same incensed folk will say nothing about the Wall Street bankers and brokers who've fleeced us all. They will even defend these banksters from any scrutiny.  This must be the only country in the world where solidarity works backward. And we are all the worse for it. 

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55WarrenRicheyKid(167 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Unionshate, You don't know your history. The bank bailout, TARP, was proposed by then Pres. Bush. Yes, candidate Obama supported it, but it was Bush's bill. It was rejected by Congress once. With the country reeling under the Stock Market crash a few days later, Congress caved in to Bush.

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56WarrenRicheyKid(167 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Yes, you get what you pay for.

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57Thomas1(14 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Did a YSU professor just compare a graduate assistant to a slave? Apparently, your PhD isn't in history. If you want the public to be more sympathetic to your position, I suggest you engage in less hyperbole.

I'm pretty sure you elected to pursue your field of study and weren't forced away from your family and taken to another country to tend to the crops. When you were too tired to complete your assignments, were you beaten like the slaves were??

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58reweichman(2 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Youngstown does not appreciate a great governor, I wish we had him here in California. Unions destroyed the Mahoning Valley. As a former graduate of YSU, I left the area many years ago as I could see there was no hope for recovery. YSU is one of your great hopes, why destroy it?

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