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Ohio governor, GOP leaders hold union law meeting



Published: Fri, August 19, 2011 @ 4:39 p.m.

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — Union leaders have passed on meeting with Ohio Gov. John Kasich to discuss a possible compromise aimed at removing a question from the November ballot asking voters to repeal the state’s new law to limit collective bargaining.

Kasich and fellow Republican legislative leaders gathered today alongside an empty table bearing placards for the major unions. The Republican governor called for the meeting earlier this week, saying he wanted to avoid a costly and potentially damaging ballot fight.

We Are Ohio, the pro-union coalition mounting the repeal effort, says Kasich never directly approached them about talks.

Spokeswoman Melissa Fazekas said the coalition will not negotiate until the collective bargaining overhaul is repealed. State lawmakers are on summer recess and any such vote is unlikely.


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1WilliamSwinger(341 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

The unions are making a big mistake by refusing to work together and by convincing themselves that the signatures show anything at all. The signatures are a small percentage of the number of voters and they do not represent the consensus view. I am confident the majority of Ohio citizens will come out in support of the law in November. Further, this refusal to compromise looks bad and is just another reminder to those that are watching how unions conduct themselves. This whole affair is another black eye for the labor crowd.

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2palmer16121(115 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Sorry William...there is a point. Had the Kasich talked with the unions BEFORE he steamrolled SB5, then he wouldn't have this problem.

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3AnotherAverageCitizen(1174 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Well I wonder how the meeting went. Did kasich get everything he wannted? How does kasich really believe the unions will now sit down with him? I can't believe he really thought the unions would show up. Like the ruler would get his way. NO WAY!!!!
For the longest time guv wanted nothing to do with compromising, and he thinks OK now is the time to sit down with the unions and things would work out so quick and simple. Not so easy is it GUV. If he wanted to work things out he would have had meetings well before the LAW WAS PASSED. But no, he wanted things HIS WAY AND HIS WAY ONLY. Backfiring now isn't it GUV.

TOO BAD GUV. Too Little Too Late

BYE BYE SB5

vote NO on issue 2

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4TB(1167 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

The folks affected by SB5, (every citizen in Ohio when local business is affected and foreclosures due to an overreach by our Republican demagogue in office and his cronies in the House and Senate,) were NOT invited to the table during the legislative process.

If anyone watched the actual hearing, especially in the Senate, they would have noted that attempts to limit the debate were made despite objections by long-time Republican members. They would also have noted attempts to push the bill through as written (by a Cleveland firm with ties to private industry and not by the legislators themselves.)

No input was asked for, nor was it wanted at the time by the folks introducing this horrible legislation. It took a concerned group of citizens acting to get this issue on the ballot to even get Republican leaders to consider meeting.

Now they grandstand and make a show, despite the Columbus Dispatch reporting that leaders from the OEA and AFL-CIO DID attend secret talks a few weeks ago.

So once again, they are LYING and those of you who believe this nonsense coming out of the governor's office are guilty of at the least ignorance and at the most outright obedience to demagoguery over truth.

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5commoncitizen(959 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

And the voters will pass on the unions come NOVEMBER.
Yes on SB5

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6valleyred(1093 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

If you are against the YSU faculty strike, join the FB group created by YSU students against it:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/YSU-Stu...

Yes on Issue 2.

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7block50(127 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

So now the boy king wants to talk. Why
didn't he want to talk when he was jamming this down our throats? Hey, governor, learn how to comb your hair and buy a suit that fits. Then go take a class on manners and respect for your fellow Ohioans. And start looking for a job because you'll be booted outmof this one in a few years.

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8Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

refusing to work together ??????
That must be one the dumbest thing I ever head . It was Gov. K--kk who refused to work together.

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9commoncitizen(959 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Why is is the Libs can never carry on a cival converstion WITHOUT ridicule or name calling???

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10Wapiti(139 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Did One Term Kasich really think people would fall for the dog and pony show he and his ilk tried today? No way. It's backfiring on him. And it will cost him and his ilk their jobs.

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11UnionForever(1470 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

SB5 will be sustained. The days of the greedy public employee unions paying nothing for their golden pensions and cadillac healthcare will soon be over. The millions of private employed citizens who have to pay for their own will see to that in November.

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12SAVEOURCOUNTRY(467 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

UNionForever,
STOP DRINKING THE COOLADE !!!! You are reading lies, Public employees are not greedy. We don't have Cadillac healthcare or pension plans. I pay for my pension plan. I pay for my healthcare. Are those better than walmart, yes. However, we pay for it. Economics has created the curtain package plans. Instead of public employees keeping up with the private sector in raises, the government officials you helped elect, established those plans.

Are you too blind to see if enacted, you are next on Ohio's political version of 'Hitler" will be coming after you. If the Zcar Governors plans are good for Ohio, why has unemployment gone up the last two months under his budget? The former governor had unemployment on the decline

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13Philo(99 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

The notice to strike by YSU employees is just one more reason that all of the 5.5 million working taxpayers of Ohio need to support SB 5 and vote that it is upheld. The public sector workers are out of control in Ohio.

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14Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

http://mommylife.net/archives/2011/04...

If you want to understand better why so many states--from New York to Wisconsin to California--are teetering on the brink of bankruptcy, consider this depressing statistic: Today in America there are nearly twice as many people working for the government (22.5 million) than in all of manufacturing (11.5 million). This is an almost exact reversal of the situation in 1960, when there were 15 million workers in manufacturing and 8.7 million collecting a paycheck from the government.

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15Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Stupid times 8506

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16Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Freeatlast :

So the mental health clinic didn't work out for ya ?

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17Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

No it did not . I went to visit you but they said Mommy took you out .
As I can see by one more of your stupid times 8510 comments

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18Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Well I see 888 with no literary achievements . You must have been confused and didn't realize that you had made it to your home . Moma said that no one has been around our place .

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19TB(1167 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Actually, every state facing a fiscal crisis (which most are, whether they are union states or right to work states) simply has a revenue crisis. It doesn't matter if the state has strong unions or not. It's a matter of politicians not being able to run the government.

They aren't collecting the taxes they should be collecting, and continue to offer tons of abatements and tax breaks, relying on the old trickle down theory that was proven not to work for job creation under Reagan. There is NO data that supports lower taxes increasing employment rates.

What you also fail to acknowledge is that the United States population has grown exponentially since 1960. That means the number of government jobs will rise to keep up with the demand of the population. The real culprits for the dismantling of the manufacturing sector are the folks shipping the jobs overseas.
Nice try Stan. Your simplistic overview doesn't quite hold up buddy.

Common citizen, you are a hypocrite.
"Why is is the Libs can never carry on a cival converstion WITHOUT ridicule or name calling???"
You posted this not long ago buddy.
"Another piece of crap that shouldn't have been out on the street. If there' overcrowding in the prisons biuld a "tent city" (kept open ALL year)."

Call a spade a spade brother.

If you think public workers have Cadillac pensions and Cadillac benefits (when they're really more like Chevrolet benefits and pension,) then you haven't examined them.

The other problem is that, since the banking industry destroyed the entire world's economy and we are slowly clawing out of a problem that is a decade old now, the term "cadillac benefits" has been redefined. You know what? The governor even agreed. He was in a Bob Evans and was upset about the lack of health care coverage of his waitress after talking to her. Maybe it's time everyone demanded better health care and stopped accepting the bare minimum so someone else will have money for another house in the Hamptons or a bigger yacht.

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20Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

LET'S LOOK AT THE FACTS . . ...

http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion...

"Their pay is funded through your tax dollars," he adds. "For government employee union members to get more, your taxes need to go up. So that is what unions now lobby for."

"government employees don't strike to get higher wages from a private business -- they strike to get higher wages from you."

There was a time in America when the typical union member was a blue-collar guy sweating in a Pittsburgh steel mill, screwing together Chevies in Detroit or loading and unloading ships on the San Francisco docks. But things are radically different today because Joe Lunchpail has been replaced by white-collar Todd and Margo Yuppiecrat processing Social Security checks in Baltimore, conducting environmental audits in Denver or keeping the lines moving at the Department of Motor Vehicles. The breakdown of union membership make this change clear: Only 7.3 percent of all private sector employees are union members, while 37.6 percent of all government workers are unionized. Fifty-one percent of all union members are government workers.

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21TB(1167 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Here's a fact since you want to deal with them but not show the entire picture by using links that are opinion and editorial.

Only about 11% of the national workforce PERIOD is unionized. Blaming the state of the economy or any sort of economic woes on 11% is a tenuous connection at best.

Unions DON'T simply lobby for wage increases. If you want to deal in FACTS again, take a look at the government watch section and see what unions are taking pay increases. Tell me which ones are Stan. You CAN'T. Because they aren't. Every contract I've read has included wage freezes or other concessions that would outweigh any supposed wage increase.

You also OVERSIMPLIFY once again because unions negotiate terms of employment...things like safe working conditions, amounts of clients, etc. A give in these areas turns into less money paid by a taxpayer.

Face it STAN, your OPINIONS don't count as FACT because your grasp of the whole picture is either not present or you are simply unable to understand.

You ignore FACTUAL statements that prove you are misleading people.

Well done once again!

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22TB(1167 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Nice copy and paste Stan. Please actually come up with your own comments.

Everyone, Stan is unable to ferment an actual position so he is simply copying and pasting the same comments on a multitude of articles. Please ignore him.

Here's my latest response to his jackassery

Here's a fact since you want to deal with them but not show the entire picture by using links that are opinion and editorial.

Only about 11% of the national workforce PERIOD is unionized. Blaming the state of the economy or any sort of economic woes on 11% is a tenuous connection at best.

Unions DON'T simply lobby for wage increases. If you want to deal in FACTS again, take a look at the government watch section and see what unions are taking pay increases. Tell me which ones are Stan. You CAN'T. Because they aren't. Every contract I've read has included wage freezes or other concessions that would outweigh any supposed wage increase.

You also OVERSIMPLIFY once again because unions negotiate terms of employment...things like safe working conditions, amounts of clients, etc. A give in these areas turns into less money paid by a taxpayer.

Face it STAN, your OPINIONS don't count as FACT because your grasp of the whole picture is either not present or you are simply unable to understand.

You ignore FACTUAL statements that prove you are misleading people.

Well done once again!

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23Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

I like many others understand all too well . Lets not cloud the fact that your interest in the taxpayers is their contribution in higher taxes regardless of their financial situation . During this time when most are facing austerity you want largesse .

Yes Mr. and Mrs. Taxpayer it is true . . ..

"government employees don't strike to get higher wages from a private business -- they strike to get higher wages from you."

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24Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Rocky14 @“Never argue with a stupid person for they will only bring
you down to their level and then beat you with experience

Stan @Some people cause happiness wherever they go; and
others, whenever they go."
Please crawl back into your man cave
And make up your own lines

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25AtownAugie(697 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

"We Are Ohio" is funded by the same national unions that funded "We Are Wisconsin." They spent $35 million in the cheese state -- and lost. I wonder if they learned from that debacle, and are going to save their money for the 2012 presidential campaign and not fund "We Are Ohio" in their "repeal SB5" efforts this fall?

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26TB(1167 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

"Lets not cloud the fact that your interest in the taxpayers is their contribution in higher taxes regardless of their financial situation . During this time when most are facing austerity you want largesse"

actually that's not true at all and is a gross misstatement, but that would be from the king of gross misstatements.

Once again, you couldn't deal with the facts so you bloviate on something unrelated.

Face it daddy, you're a blowhard. If you think public employees are living lives of "largesse" then you are as uninformed as I think you are.

Nobody is asking anyone to raise taxes in any of these articles or comments. As I pointed out, every contract I've seen in the government watch section takes steps to ensure that will NOT happen.

But then, that would require you actually reading and knowing what you are talking about...a tall order for the king.

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27Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

"government employees don't strike to get higher wages from a private business -- they strike to get higher wages from you."

Well I can see that unwilling victims will upset the liberal government workers crowd .

STAY THE COURSE AND KEEP SB5 ! HIGHER TAXES ARE INTOLERABLE AND WE CAN LIVE WITH SB5 .

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28TB(1167 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

Who are you quoting you lunatic? Some editorial off the web? We saw it the first time...this piece of OPINION.

I can see that you have no ability to process debate and simply will rant madly in response.

Typical of your ilk...no cognitive abilities except to parrot what someone else has written.

SB5 divides the middle class. Voting for SB5 is a vote against your neighbors and fellow tax payers. Enjoy the foreclosures if you uphold this abomination.

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29Stan(9923 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

When they can't refute the facts they resort to name calling . Private sector workers are being looked down upon by the ones who their taxes nourish .

They demand more and more of your less and less . Lobby on your own behalf and support moderation in taxation .

STAY THE COURSE AND KEEP SB5 . HIGHER TAXES ARE INTOLERABLE AND WE CAN LIVE WITH SB5 .

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30SAVEOURCOUNTRY(467 comments)posted 2 years, 10 months ago

TB,
STAN IS REALY HULK HOGAN....TOO MANY 'ROIDS IN YOU DAY WARPS THE PEAS IN YOU HEAD BIG FELLOW

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