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Wick Park a focus of Youngstown administration, groups



Published: Thu, August 4, 2011 @ 12:00 a.m.

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The Vindicator ( Youngstown)

A man enjoys a brief respite at the 34-acre Wick Park on Youngstown’s North Side. Two groups want the city to follow up on citations issued to people found in violation of housing codes near the park area, and the Wick Park Neighborhood Association is asking the city for better security at the park.

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Sharon Letson, executive director of Youngstown CityScape, shows redevelopment plans for the historic park.

Youngstown CityScape and the Wick Park Neighborhood Association are working on a $2.8 million revitalization of Wick Park on the city’s North Side. On Wednesday, the Youngstown Foundation donated $100,000 to the project.

HOW YOU CAN HELP: Those wishing to donate to the Wick Park Project are asked to email Sharon Letson, at cityscapedirector@sbcglobal.net.

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Mayor Charles Sammarone

By David Skolnick

skolnick@vindy.com

YOUNGSTOWN

The city administration’s attitude toward housing- code enforcement is drawing criticism from two organizations.

And new Mayor Charles Sammarone agrees with them.

“I feel we can do a better job with neighborhood issues like code enforcement,” Sammarone said. “It’s what I’ve been saying for years. Good enforcement strengthens our neighborhoods.”

The Mahoning Valley Organizing Collaborative and the Wick Park Neighborhood Association wrote a letter Tuesday to Sean McKinney, the city’s buildings and grounds commissioner, about problems with the city’s code-enforcement program. About 100 people signed the letter.

“The code-enforcement program lacks focus and direction and fails to provide a systematic approach to code compliance,” the letter reads. “It is the public’s perception that this approach to code enforcement has been ineffective at best, and, in most neighborhoods, nonexistent.”

The letter specifically mentions a June code-enforcement sweep of the Wick Park area on the city’s North Side. The MVOC and the association assisted in the effort that led to 11 properties receiving citations for housing-code violations.

Those cited had 30 days to take care of the violations. The letter contends the city did nothing to follow up on the violations.

McKinney declined to comment Wednesday.

When told of the letter, Sammarone, mayor since Monday, said he agrees that the city’s housing-inspection program needs to be improved.

“We don’t need a letter to tell us inspections aren’t being handled correctly,” he said. “I agree that our inspection on zoning and following codes has to get better. Our inspectors have to get better.”

Sammarone said he’s meeting with McKinney to discuss the inspection issues.

Gary Davenport, president of the Wick Park Neighborhood Association, said he was pleased to hear Sammarone wants to address these issues.

While hopeful, Davenport said city officials have discussed better enforcement in the past and haven’t followed through.

The 34-acre Wick Park is bordered by Broadway, Park Avenue, Fifth Avenue and Elm Street.

After a July 6 sexual assault of a 19-year-old woman in the park, the neighborhood association is calling for security improvements there.

The association found that 29 of about 65 light poles at the park didn’t have working bulbs. First Energy has repaired most of them.

The association wants the city’s park and recreation commission to increase the wattage of those bulbs, add more security patrols and install poles and chains to block vehicular traffic at dark at the park.

Since last week’s meeting with the park and recreation commission, the neighborhood association is getting signatures on petitions in support of its proposals. As of Wednesday, the association’s petitions had 37 signatures.

Meanwhile, the Youngstown Foundation is donating $100,000 for Wick Park improvements including the replacement of concrete walk areas, grading and drainage improvements, the installation of steel-pipe swing gates and lawn seeding.

The project, announced Wednesday, will begin shortly and finish by June 2012.

The improvements are a part of a $2.86 million campaign, initiated two years ago, for improvements to the park.

The planned improvements include an amphitheater, sports fields, a playground accessible to special-needs children, a dog park, a spray fountain, improved lighting and rehabilitation work to the pavilion, rehabilitated tennis and basketball courts, realignment of trails and paths, pruning and thinning trees, purchasing new benches, picnic tables and waste receptacles.

Before this grant, the park improvement plan received $80,000.

“This is just the beginning,” said Sharon Letson, executive director of Youngstown CityScape, an organization involved in the Wick Park revitalization project. “It’s been incremental. This [grant] is a substantial investment.”

Sammarone, who lived near the park in the 1950s, said, “The park is worth saving.”


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1slappy_smith(5 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

codes is a start, then drugs and prostitutes a stones throw from the park are another problem. that little black haired white girl shooting dope and hooking go unnoticed on a daily basis.

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2arod(264 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

What a great idea, let's blow millions on a park that no descent people use instead of tearing down all of the abandoned houses in Yompton. This new mayor is already doing great things, by the way how did this old dude get elected Mayor, there has to be somebody younger that wanted to do it.

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3UnionForever(1470 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Who in their right mind would go to Wick Park? The druggies, crackers, and gang bangers are just waiting for you to show up so they can do you.

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4Traveler(606 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Youngstown need to spend any extra money they can beg borrow or steal on police and demolition of abandon house not make parks nicer

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5Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Proposed Wick Park Renovation . . . ..

http://hypnovantage.com/wp-content/up...

The park has been and will continue to be a no man's land . If you decide to go there bring plenty of money and an open mind .

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6city_resident(513 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Maybe you people should try going to Wick Park more than once every other decade. (and I don't just mean driving by on Fifth Ave.) Try going to the farmers market, (held every Saturday from 10-1 on Elm St.) or the Gray to Green Festival on September 10th. Give it a try, and get back in touch with reality.

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7ksem(23 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

I go to Wick Park! And, I do declare myself a “decent” person.

Know what else? I also go to Stambaugh Auditorium, Full Circle Florist, Dorian Books, North Side Farmers Market, Edwards Flowers, events at the Unitarian Church on Elm, been to service at Richard Brown United Methodist Church also on Elm, and they are all around Wick Park!

I lived in Wick Park, still have many friends living in Wick Park, and say THANK YOU to the WPNA, CityScape and Youngstown Foundation.

By the way, this is the correct link – http://www.wickparkproject.info/

And for the Final Design this link -
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_VMxtXLbCQys...

Happy Thursday Youngstown!

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8DwightK(1256 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

I've been to Stambaugh Auditorium and walked around Wick Park. Never been messed with and usually see lots of people using the park for exercise. It's a Youngstown gem and deserves to be preserved.

Besides they sell beets at the Farmer's Market.

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9PhilKidd(186 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

I live around the park and have for the better part of 15 years. While there are still significant challenges, the park and the neighborhood have both seen significant improvement over the last several years.

The Wick Park Neighborhood Association is one of the most proactive neighborhood groups in the city (www.WickPark.org). In fact, our neighborhood group and other community organizations have been able to raise over $150,000 for the park / neighborhood in just the past two years. In that same period of time, we've seen over $12 million of private investment which has included a 115 person student dormitory, CVS store, Northeast Ohio's first Food Incubator and the purchase and renovation of over 12 significant structures for commercial or residential use.

The following is a breakdown in fiscal investment made in the park itself:

$17,000 Park Project Planning - Raymond John Wean Foundation
$31,000 Park Corner Landscaping –Youngstown CityScape
$4,500 Park Benches & Exercise Equipment Station Repairs—Mahoning Valley Organizing Collaborative and YMHA YouthBuild
$4400 “Welcome to Historic Wick Park Signage—Wick Park Neighborhood Association

Point: Change can (and does) happen when you have people who care / get involved rather than just complain or render dismissive judgement from afar.

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10leah123(4 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

I think that Wick can be a wonderful asset to residents in that area as well as all of the YSU students that live so close. I am VERY excited to hear our new Mayor has a focus other then furthering his own career....We need to start somewhere to clean up this city and it has to start now!! Why would any hard working, tax paying citizen want to invest in a house that will have no real value when you have neighbors that cant even pick up the trash or cut the grass?!! I don't care how poor or down and out you are you can still pick up trash, wash off dirt, cut the grass and pull out the weeds!! All of our ansestors that came to this city came here with a lot less then we have available to us now and they lived with pride for the little things they had!! Hard work and pride is what grew this city and we need to get back to that!

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11AtownParent(562 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

The people trashing on the park obviously have not been down there in years. We attend the Gray to Green festival yearly and love the farmers market. There is nothing wrong with the park and it is used by decent people. I do agree that the houses around the park bring the park's worthiness down greatly. I am glad our interim Mayor realizes that this should be something the city invests in.

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12city_resident(513 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

"I do agree that the houses around the park bring the park's worthiness down greatly. I am glad our interim Mayor realizes that this should be something the city invests in."

Hopefully, this--and the other investments--spur further redevelopment and restoration of the structures around the park.

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13Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

The park has been and will continue to be a no man's land . If you decide to go there bring plenty of money and an open mind
Stupid times 8331

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14MGShorrab(23 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

I have lived in the Wick Park neighborhood almost my entire adult life and things are looking up. I use the park at least twice a week, have never had any trouble, and it is always busy. It is a gem of the community. Hoods, dealers, and prostitutes stay the hell away from this neighborhood because of how active the community is here.

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15twentyonetwelve(98 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Total waste of time, energy, and money. That park is a toilet that needs flushed.

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16Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Perhaps all the focus on Wick Park is to remove attention on the plight of the SouthSide ? While the house is burning you worry about the grass in the yard ?

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17iBuck(219 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Public bemoans governments' out of control code-nazis.

Neighbors should clean up the park, and neighborhoods. First step: Get to know the neighbors.

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18Anonymouse(36 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Is there a way we can get the Vindy to close the accounts of people who regularly make racist comments?

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19Silence_Dogood(1341 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

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20crimelander(122 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

/ people who regularly make racist comments? /

Where are the comments on this thread that are 'racist'?

Use the "Flag this comment if offensive" under each comment.

/ The association found that 29 of about 65 light poles at the park didn’t have working bulbs. /

Pretty bad when 44%+ of lights taxpayer pays for on a monthly basis do not work and have not in eons.

Doesn't the community or anyone at FirstEnergy or the city itself ever go out at night and see all the lights out around town?

The lighting issue surely was a negative contributor to problems in Wick Park.

/ $2.86 million campaign /

Where is ponying up that cash?

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21msweetwood(161 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Anonymouse, Silence: We do suspend the accounts of those who violate our terms of service. Racism will get you removed pretty quickly. To alert the staff of a post that you believe violates our TOS, simply flag it and it will get reviewed.

Thanks,

Mark Sweetwood
Managing Editor

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22NorthsideH(5 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

I have been reading some of these posts and am becoming fairly discusted with some of the comments. I have lived on the Northside all my life, 48 years. I have only recently got involved with some of the neighborhood groups seeing some of the good things they are doing. I've seen the good times and bad because i have been here the whole time. Some of the good has not been great, some of the bad not atrociuos. I am insulted by all the people who must think we live in a war zone because we hear of a few bad things that have happened here. I guess all of the rest of you who continue to trash the northside live in OZ where there is no crime and everything is beautiful. You know what they say about those who live in glass houses. I extremely appreciate those out there who are doing everything in their power to help bring our communities back and am personnaly embarrased for not trying to do things myself to help. The way I see it is if you start with Wick Park maybe the surrounding areas will follow. There will always be those who want to help and those who want to bash. I would like to add myself to the list of those who want to help. The Northside is my home, always has been and probably always will be and i have always loved it here. For those of us who live here we will always wish for it to be made better. For those on the outside with your negative views of us keep on bashing, we live in the reality of what Youngstown is and hopefully can become.

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23Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago


REALITY IN THE NEWS . . ..

http://www.vindy.com/comments/post/?n...

Police investigating home invasions, robberies
Published: 8/2/11 @ 12:00

Staff report

YOUNGSTOWN

Police are investigating two home invasions and robberies over the past weekend.

Police responded to an alarm in the 200 block of Crandall just before 4 a.m. Friday and were met by a resident who told police he had just been robbed at gunpoint in his home by three black males.

The homeowner said he was sitting in his living room watching TV when he heard a noise and saw the three armed men coming at him from the kitchen area of the house.

One of the men reportedly fired three shots and ordered the resident to the floor.

The men ransacked the house taking a wallet, keys and cell phone.

The intruders ran off after accidently tripping the alarm that ultimately alerted police.

A 31-year-old Bennington Avenue man told police he was home preparing to take his medication just before 10 a.m. Sunday when an armed black male came into his home through an open front door and demanded the medication.

The man said he handed over the medicine, and the man ran off.

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24Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Perhaps all the focus on Wick Park is to remove attention on the plight of the SouthSide ? While the house is burning you worry about the grass in the yard ? MORE stupid times 8340

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25PhilKidd(186 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

@Mark Sweetwood:

Administrative question: Would The Vindicator consider incorporating a "Like" / "Dislike" feature for individual comments?

Not everyone is interested in leaving a comment, however, many people do READ the comments. I'm willing to bet a Rust Belt beer that a good number of readers would take the time to click thumbs up or down. That type of feedback would be very interesting to see.

Additionally, I have to believe this could only create additional site traffic for Vindy.com.

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26NorthsideH(5 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Also Reality:
http://www.vindy.com/news/2011/aug/04...
There are bad things happening everywhere. Not just here. Years from now I guess we can write the same things about Poland, Boardman, etc. when the depletion of jobs affects their communities and the blight and crime hit there.

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27JonathanBentley(5 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

I rarely read the Vindicator comments due to all of the negativity and blatant racism. If you hate Youngstown and the surrounding areas so much, you need to leave. If you choose to stay in the area, come up with some viable solutions and become an active participant in the improvement process.

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28Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Who cares about Boardman and Poland . We are talking about crime with a gun in close proximity to Wick Park . This is to counter those who say how safe it is . Armed home invasion is getting pretty bold . Of course they wouldn't rob you out on the strreet or in the park, right ?

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29Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Who cares about Boardman and Poland . We are talking about crime with a gun in close proximity to Wick Park . This is to counter those who say how safe it is . Armed home invasion is getting pretty bold . Of course they wouldn't rob you out on the street or in the park, right ?

More stupd time 8341

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30Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

JonathanBentley :

"I rarely read the Vindicator comments due to all of the negativity and blatant racism. If you hate Youngstown and the surrounding areas so much, you need to leave."

The Castle Doctrine doesn't make this mandatory anymore . Gone are the days when you had to vacate your house for the thugs .

FIFTH AVE. ARMED ROBBERY

http://www.vindy.com/news/2011/jul/19...

Published: Tue, July 19, 2011 @ 12:03 a.m.By John W. Goodwin Jr.

jgoodwin@vindy.com

YOUNGSTOWN

City police are investigating a list of crimes including aggravated robbery, assault and drug sales from the weekend.

According to reports, a 51-year-old Fifth Avenue man and his 52-year-old wife parked in their garage at 10:15 p.m. Friday and were walking toward their home when they were approached by two males dressed in all black and wearing bandanas over their faces.

Reports say the two men pointed guns at the couple and demanded jewelry and cash. The couple handed over two wallets, a handbag and some jewelry before a neighbor came outside and scared the thieves off.

The two men, reportedly, ran through some yards and jumped a fence firing one shot as they ran.

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31Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

more stupd times 8342

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32Anonymouse(36 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

PhilKidd's idea is good, but I have another one:

Make posting in the Vindy forums dependent on having an OpenID account, which will let users of Google, Yahoo!, Facebook, and other services post here using those accounts.

When people's comments are tied to another account, it carries more accountability for their actions. We're less likely to see sock-puppet accounts and vitriol.

Get rid of Vindy.com forum accounts and switch to using OpenID and Facebook accounts. Bring some accountability to the people posting here.

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33Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Some are bitter because the truth is posted backed up with news articles . They don't like the truth brought to light . When they get bitter racism is charged . Talk about vitrol ! Some of us have the capacity to contribute articles to the news worldwide . Ah yes, the freedom of speech . . ..

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34msweetwood(161 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

@Phil Kidd, @Anonymouse

I forwarded your suggestions to the decision-makers. I think you have some great ideas, but I am just not sure about the logistics involved.

Thanks,

Mark Sweetwood
Managing Editor

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35ElleEauElle(4 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Against my will and better judgement--because of the reasons stated by JohnathanBentley regarding negativity and racism--I feel compelled to post in this forum.

Any positive neighborhood or city-wide project deserves as much attention as it can get. It is in everyone's--in the city AND in the surrounding suburbs--best interest to encourage these projects and the individuals that put their time and efforts into seeing them through.

Projects like this one and many others that occur throughout Youngstown deserve notoriety and respect, especially when one considers the relentless negativity that some members of this community like to throw in the way of those trying to promote positive change.

The neigh-sayers reasons for doing this I simply cannot understand and makes the work that these neighborhoods and their partners in the city do all the more inspiring and worthy of at least a tip of our hats.

I've heard a lot of great things about this city's recent progress and the work that's being done, which is oddly not reflected in these forums. This discrepancy is likely because the only people posting here are too paralyzed by their own bitterness to actively make things better for themselves or their communities.

Meanwhile, those that want to improve their lives and neighborhoods are too busy actually DOING things instead of siting here slinging snarky remarks or posting links to old Vindy stories.

We could all learn something from examples like this one about what's being done in Wick Park. I hope this energy and enthusiasm for these kinds of projects continues to spread across the city.

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36ElleEauElle(4 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Oh, and please spare us the comments about spending too much time in college and being an out of touch bleeding heart liberal--I know you have enough time on your hands to be more creative than that.

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37crimelander(122 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

It's funny that folks are so concerned with personalities and discouraging public discourse. The Vindy and all other media should know the importance of public participation and confidentiality.

If it wasn't for a number of chronic posters on the Vindy over the years, a good amount of information never would be known to the public.

As for the racism claims. Where on this thread does that exist?

"The druggies, crackers, and gang bangers are just waiting for you to show up so they can do you."

Were folks upset by the crackers term? Doubt it.

Every day crybabies complain racism when they have zippo to say. This little agenda to silence any opposition tactic is very obvious.

I LIKE the like/dislike feature idea. Would be good to see how many people feel however about whatever comments.

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38Fred(130 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

I think what we have here is a diversion for the very real ills facing the city.The money wasted at Wick Park would be better spent on programs to employ the city's youth for the summer.Mow the grass and let Wick Park be a park.

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39msweetwood(161 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

@THOMAS53

No, what's racist is to post a fake stat on this board just to be incendiary. For instance, blacks are indeed 13 percent of the U.S. population, but according to the Justice Department, they were accused of committing 28 percent of all crimes.

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data...

So if someone were to flag that post...

Mark Sweetwood
Managing Editor

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40taxpayer1001(274 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Maybe if we just put a limit on how many posts a day someone could post it would take away a good deal of the nonsense. Of course that would only hurt one person ;o)

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41onelove(1 comment)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

MVOC(SN, PK) and YNDC(PG, IB) needs to shutup and put money up. They never put any money up? Why? Show the City and citizens the money. The City completes inspection, code enforcement, which results in over 2700 or so structures being demolished in 5 years. How many structures has mvoc or yndc demolished? zero. You know why because they are all mouth. They try to still ideas, enrage people, then sit back like snakes. Finally mvoc does not have the authority to inspect, or code enforce property. Reason they are not government. Remember show the City and citizens the money. Citizens don't be fooled.

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42Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

ElleEauElle :

"Meanwhile, those that want to improve their lives and neighborhoods are too busy actually DOING things instead of siting here slinging snarky remarks or posting links to old Vindy stories."

I'm sure that the couple that recently were victims of an armed robbery at their house on Fifth Avenue would like to know what you are doing . The thieves surely have no fear of what you are doing .

The guy on Crandall who was a recent victim of home invasion by three armed thugs would like to know what you are doing . Are you close to getting justice for him ?

People like you who do nothing to curtail crime in the city and brush it off as being trivial contribute to and support the decay .

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43Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Some are bitter because the truth is posted backed up with news articles . They don't like the truth brought to light . When they get bitter racism is charged . Talk about vitrol ! Some of us have the capacity to contribute articles to the news worldwide . Ah yes, the freedom of speech . . ..More stupd times 8345 Stupid is not freedom

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44Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Ah yes, Freeatlast . . ..

really free at last . . ..

http://www.isavo.com/poop.jpg

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45whitesabbath(738 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

keep up your informative work STAN the man !!!!

you put a thorn in the side of Freedlast sounds like he sitting around in his own prison looking out the windows afraid of the shadows.

to each is own

glad people are interested in taking care of the Wick. Have to start somewhere,
getting rid of the blight buildings,

All people on welfare or sitting in the county jail (non-violent offenders) need to be cleaning up these streets from sun up to sun-down.

all building materials sent to Restore, for resale and recycling.

time to get the peoples minds right.

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46TheLostPatrol(756 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Put all this money into the Park around these homes, where the resident goes away for the weekend only to come home to find that all of their copper piping was stripped out of their house. Yep, makes alot of sense to me.

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47NorthsideH(5 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Correct me if i'm wrong, but i see a lot of people saying that money should be spent on demolitions, yet it seems some of the problems with the blight are that some of these "homes" are still owned by someone and if they do not get inspected, the owners fined or stripped of their ownership how can the city tear it down? Whereas the park is something the city owns that belongs to the community and contrary to many of these "negative posters" beliefs, is used by many "decent" people in this community, myself included. Granted I have a few vacant homes adjacent to mine that I would like to see eliminated but on the other side of the coin I have seen plenty taken care of already. I personally take care of a few lots adjacent to my house but have also seen far to many lots that are left just to collect garbage. I would definately rather spend time in at a beautiful Wick Park than staring at an unkept vacant lot. And for the posters that will look to find a racist statement in the garbage message i would like to inform them that to me most things they feel are a "racist" problem to me they are an "ignorance" problem and that my friends covers everyone.

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48Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Not enough money for the jail with criminals being set free to start back up where they left off . Let's get the focus back on crime curtailment .

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49Anonymouse(36 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Yes. Improve security in Wick Park.

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50city_resident(513 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

carl, the building on Wick Park is in foreclosure, so blame the bank and its previous owner for lack of maintenance and care. I'm pretty sure the house "one block away" is going to be demolished soon. And I am sure the "Bryson St" house will be demolished soon. (it's a shame about that one--but it had a fire, and is too far gone...) I don't know anything about the "Park Ave." house.

In this neighborhood, with the quality and detail of the housing stock, demolition isn't really the answer anyway. Even if it's currently vacant and in disrepair, it's still an asset to the neighborhood, and is waiting for someone to come along and restore it. But, the city needs to step up and show that they are willing to invest in the neighborhood first, by following through with code enforcement, and park improvements.

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51crimelander(122 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Who is going to rehab these wooden shell only houses?

These houses are useless. Sure they have some architectural details and time pieces, but even most of those have been stolen and looted.

Sure there are stone and masonry mansions on the North Side worthy of rehab. But even those have been massively torn down.

It's so expensive to rehab places in such disrepair. Who is going to fund such a luxury today?

Heck even YSU wants to tear down that place adjacent to campus they inherited and let go into disrepair even though it's designated historic.

We need control burn parties. Subvert the EPA bullcrap and get the houses down and the lots cleared. Time to be realistic. Fire department needs training structures anyways. Two goals, one match.

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52city_resident(513 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

I am rehabbing one. (so, you might say I have a vested interest in seeing my new neighborhood improve) I know of at least 5 others that have recently been bought, or are in the process of being bought so they can be restored/renovated. And, I know of many more that have already been restored over the last 10-15 years.

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53crimelander(122 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

I applaud you city_resident!

Perhaps someone like MVOC can assemble a list of structure worthy of possibly salvaging for rehab?

I won't be doing a rehab. Been there and done that already :)

But, perhaps with an inventory we can come up with an organized effort to get some of these gems rehabbed and cared for, while dealing with the others with fire and dozers.

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54PROUDMOMMEL(1 comment)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

I am the proud mom of a 26 year old single mother who is in the process of purchasing a home a block from Wick Park. I must admit that two years ago when my daughter moved to the Northside I was not thrilled at all. My mind has been changed when I see the progress being made to restore this community to its previous glory. While it will never be the way it was, it will be different and in my opinion better. Have you seen the neighborhood gardens popping up in the area? What a great way to use green space and there is no reason why when some of these houses are torned down, gardens can't grow. There are many good people committed to making this a better place to live, my daughter being one of them. Wick Park deserves any funds it gets to improve it. It is not a bad place now and will only continue to improve. And yes I have been there with my grandson on many occasions and no I never fear for my life. Please, if you don't want to be part of this renovation, don't try to bring down those that do. This conditions didn't appear overnight and will not be fixed overnight. I look forward to seeing nothing but good things happen to the Northside. Keep up the good work. To my daughter, I am proud of you and your strength and courage, you are just one of the many flowers blooming on the Northside.

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55westside(47 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Looks like the citizens are getting sick and tired of having the wool pulled over their eyes by local officials. Something is seriously wrong if the city is not capable of even conducting 11 inspections every 30 days. Laziness at its worst.

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56AFoster(1 comment)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

This neighborhood has worked hard to foster an environment for community. The naysayers that are posting have clearly not lived in this neighborhood and never will. Why even bother commenting? Is it because your neighborhood doesn't come together and write grants to improve your park? This is a hardworking, devoted and intelligent group of people who care not only about the neighborhood but the city of Youngstown. It takes so much energy to spew so much hate. If you really don't care about what happens in this city that you think should be control burned, then place all of this energy into something more worth your while. Please, stop taking a metaphorical crap all over the accomplishments of others. Crack heads and prostitutes don't write grants, clean up the neighborhood, attend festivals in and around the park. Real tax paying, home owning, degree holding, local business supporting people do these things. We like where we live and we want it to be beautiful and functional, what is the problem with that?

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57Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Rediscover Youngstown . Picnic in Wick Park . Come early and stay late . And . . ..

MEET YOGI BEAR

http://www.thecartoonpictures.com/dat...

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58rumppy(107 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Stan and the likes. There are alot of undertones in statments made. You know that and so does everyone else. We all understand the plight of Youngstown.We all know that crime in the area are committed by people and they are not all people of color. But to read comments made, you would think otherwise. The overtones are such that people feel and think that most of you or comments made,are racist. But, people get real brave when they write. Why? Because they can hide behind it. As most of you do. But if the shoe does not fit, than this does not apply to you.

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59One_Who_Stayed(237 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Dont worry rumppy - everyone else on these threads knows what these twisted souls are about.

Look at the number of postings these people make. They have nothing more in their lives than venom toward the people who are trying to make things better. They pick a subject and spend all of their waking moments beating it down. They do this under the guise of "telling the truth". The truth is that they simply enjoy bashing other peoples efforts and "informing" everyone of why things wont work to make their own pathetic lives feel more full.

You guys need to run back out to the burbs. Dont look back and dont bother telling those who are trying to make a difference about why it is they wont. We dont believe you, wont ever take your advice and your postings of crime reports dont deter us. We know crime is happening and we are doing our damndest to stop it. We dont need a recap of things that happen down the street from us from folks who scurry back out the the safety of their McMansions.

And I am elated every time tax money gets spent on projects like this just so I can hear MARGARET IDIOT-CHUNK say GEEESH GET A GRIP ! onnnnnnnne morrrrrrrreee time!

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60Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

One_Who_Stayed :

" We know crime is happening and we are doing our damndest to stop it. We dont need a recap of things that happen down the street from us from folks who scurry back out the the safety of their McMansions."

So what are you doing to stop crime ? Making fun of the couple who got robbed on Fifth Ave ?

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61Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

If they were caught it was for another crime . That crime I believe remains unsolved like so many others in Youngstown .

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62Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

MARGETILCHUNK :

"hey - Stan did they ever solve the crime that involved a loner gay dude"

He was an artist and his friend from Struthers did him in . He is probably out by now .

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63One_Who_Stayed(237 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

STAN,

Kind of hard to answer something you said, due to the CHUNK spewing more of her mindless rambling "uhmmm YEA OK GET A GRIP GHEESH"'s drivel all over the last 35 posts or so, but here goes:

"So what are you doing to stop crime ? Making fun of the couple who got robbed on Fifth Ave ?"

Not hardly. I am part of a block-watch, I am part of the Wick Neighbors association, I keep an eye out for any sorts of mischief and call the cops (Y.S.U. as well as city) whenever I see or find it. Since I live just off of 5th Ave, about the last thing in the world I would do is make fun of the folks who got robbed. In short, I am doing everything I possibly can - short of vigilante justice (which I have also considered at times).

So, as I said, I've got a perfectly good view of the crime here - I don't need to hear about it 3rd hand from the burbs. Especially since that does nothing to make the situation any better - it only serves to dishearten those who are trying to fix the problems here rather than running away from them. I don't feel the need to laugh at or "Make Fund of" other peoples misfortunes from afar as you folks seem to.

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64Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

One_Who_Stayed :

" We know crime is happening and we are doing our damndest to stop it. We dont need a recap of things that happen down the street from us from folks who scurry back out the the safety of their McMansions."

So, how would you interpret your statement ? Do tell . "scurry back out the the safety of their McMansions" ?

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65One_Who_Stayed(237 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

STAN,

I don't believe it needs any interpretation, but for your benefit, I'll give it another try.

Whenever something bad happens in town, you and the rest of the burb crowd (who probably come into Youngstown to make your living) scurry back out to the safety of your McMansions in the burbs and yell "SEE SEE! It happened again! SEE! It was in the Vindicator - that proves that Youngstown is a crime ridden cesspool! RUN AWAY - RUN AWAY!"

We know what happens here - we live here. We do anything and everything in our power to stop it. Running away from the problems a city has does nothing to help. Making fun of those who stay and are trying to address the problems is even worse. Do you live in the city STAN? If so, are YOU doing anything to help? If not - fine, but at least have enough class to not taunt and dishearten those who do try to make things better.

Stay put in the burbs, enjoy your McMansion and your the perceived safety of not living in Youngstown. But remember one thing - the CULTURE does not respect city borders. To the "solicitors", those juicy McMansions in the burbs full of flat screen TV's are lookin like those folks need to become "donors" as you call them.

You might want to try encouraging rather than making fun of us before the problem winds up on the doorstep of your McMansion in the burbs.

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66Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Chuck knows that attention must be diverted from activity within the city that may cause displeasure . He will be known as the dont worry be happy mayor as you take a lark in the park .

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67Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

One_Who_Stayed :

You wiggle more than a worm on a hook facing a bass . We we talking about the couple who got robbed on Fifth Ave . So now you say that they weren't scurrying back to their McMansions ? We all know that mansions line Fifth Ave . and those commenting probably don't live in one . Keep up those fine posts of yours supporting the ridicule of victims .

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68One_Who_Stayed(237 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

And CHUNK, your posts sound more and more like the drunken rambling rants of Charlie Sheen by the second.

DUH - GHEESH - GET A GRIP UHMMMM YEA OK - WINNING - TIGER BLOOD - YEAH IM HIGH ON A DRUG CALLED MARGARETILCHUNK

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69One_Who_Stayed(237 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

What the hell are you talking about STAN?

I in no way ridiculed those poor folks who got robbed.

I said McMansions. McMansions are in Poland, Canfield or any other suburb. They are 10 - 15 years old and 5000 square feet of cardboard crap wood and plastic fake marble. These are the houses the average suburbanite paid waaaay too much for (and are probably in an under-water mortgage now).

The REAL 100 year old and better mansions are on 5th Ave or Wick Park that are made of real materials and will last looong after the burb McMansions have crumbled to dust. These are the places that I as well as the folks who got robbed live in.

Where do you live STAN? Are you simply going to evade that question forever by mashing around what I posted or man-up and answer it?

We're all wondering. . .

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70Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

One_Who_Stayed :

"What the hell are you talking about STAN? "

So I hit a raw nerve when I nailed you on the ridicule ?

I don't tolerate being in the crosshairs as a potential victim . My intolerance of that promotes the vile from you . Unwilling victims get labels and ridicule . . ..

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71One_Who_Stayed(237 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Still wondering where you live STAN. . . .

Apparently I hit a raw nerve too.

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72Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

One_Who_Stayed :

"Still wondering where you live STAN. . . . "

Why should it matter ? You would only marginalize me over where I live . You already marginalize me over my criticism of criminal activity in the area .

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73city_resident(513 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Stan said: "Why should it matter ? You would only marginalize me over where I live . You already marginalize me over my criticism of criminal activity in the area ."

So, you can dish it out, but can't take it?

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74Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

city_resident :

Why should I put up with your BS ? Are you special ? People like you quickly howl at the moon when they are criticized .

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75city_resident(513 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Stan,

Why should everyone put up with your BS? Are you special? Of course people are going to "howl at the moon" when they are unjustly criticized. There are many people who are interested in saving/preserving/rejuvenating Wick Park and the surrounding neighborhood. What did you expect would happen when you dumped all over our efforts? (like usual) Did you expect us to say "Oh, it's so clear now! The naysayers are right. We are just wasting our time, and should give up on this historic park and neighborhood, and move to the suburbs..."

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76Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

city_resident :

As long as you are using the taxpayers dime I suggest that you concentrate on cleaning up the crime . When you criticize the victims and the exposure of the crime what do you expect ? Don't go feeling sorry for yourself .

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77One_Who_Stayed(237 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

20 and 40 posts respectively. . . between STAN and IDIOT-CHUNK. Incredible. 1/2 the posts on this thread were put there by 2 people. I hesitate to call the mindless drivel that CHUNK puts there posts though. What a waste of bandwidth.

Proves that the loudest voices seem to know the least about what they're talking about. But hey - at least we have managed to royally piss them off by using "their" tax money for this more than worthy project. I LOVE IT!

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78city_resident(513 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Stan,
I'm also a taxpayer, and I want to see my taxes used for their intended purpose. Remember, this article is mostly about getting city departments to do their job. But, using taxpayer funds to improve the park is fine with me, also. Returning pride to one's neighborhood is an indirect way of reducing crime, without creating a military state.

By the way, who is criticizing the victims, and who is feeling sorry for themselves?

As far as "exposure of the crime," doesn't the Vindy already do that? Your links to these articles are redundant, at best.

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79Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

I'm sure that the victims of crime in the city will be estatic over the big bucks in tax money being dumped into Wick Park while the perps who victimized them are running loose .

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80northyompton(6 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Need to run off some of the Elm St and Park Sit around all day Walking with a cane and a limp acting like a pimp type people

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81whitesabbath(738 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

RE : onewhostayedwithcrappypants

only posts looking silly is yours, by stalking people, you havent manage to piss anyone off.

only force people to see how much of an idiot you are.

GREAT JOB STAN

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82downforce(8 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

As a Westside resident I, although perhaps not totally aware of all that is being worked on/implemented here on the westside, love to see the wave of interest in improving our cities neighborhoods, which ever side of town. Any improvements are good for ALL of us who live here. As stated by many previous comments its about enforcement of codes and following through. Pressing palms and smiling for the cameras is nice but actions are what people notice. There are plenty of issues for a city to contend with in order to improve the quality of life for its residents, but the residents have to want it, believe in it and get out there and help out however they can.

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83One_Who_Stayed(237 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

"GHEESH - GET A GRIP ! THE END"

We can only hope. . . .

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84city_resident(513 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

carl, just fyi, The WPNA's eastern boundary is Wick Ave. and we've already taken our first steps toward improving the Wick corridor.

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85howardinyoungstown(591 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

@Carl With most vacant lots on the North side are only worth $1,000 to $2,000 The cities demolition program does not make any lots salable as they do not require the contractors to remove the foundation. What this means is that in order to build a prospective developer would have to spend an additional $10 to $15 thousand before they can build on it, therefore a developer would only take the lots if the city was to pay them about $9,000. Not a good sales strategy!

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86northyompton(6 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Well you can call Steven Demidovich if you need one burnt down in the area. And to be honest most little groups and "coalitions" are just for self. Just making each other mad most likely over goberment money. And between the City and Banks the rest of these properties will most likely rot away. But at least the trim and door [and pillars] thieves can haul there goods 1 block north of the park on ELM Street and sell it for beer money!

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87city_resident(513 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

^ Seems to me that this is the kind of defeatist attitude that has paralized this region for the last 30 years.

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88northyompton(6 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Might be, but it is all true.

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89city_resident(513 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

What's true? I agree Steven Demidovich has been found guilty of arson, but the rest is opinion and speculation.

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90FormerWestsider(23 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Carlstaatz.....All of what you said looks great on the Vindy website. It would look even better in a proposal to the new mayor. You obviously have some knowledge of construction and demolition so why let it go to waste.

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91city_resident(513 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

FormerWestsider, what carlstaatz is describing is, essentially, a trailer park.

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92FormerWestsider(23 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

City_resident,

My hope is that Carl was referring to the nicer prefab homes that can be. built over existing foundations. Knowing this site, that might be a little naive of me.

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93city_resident(513 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

FormerWestsider, there are indeed nice modular homes. But, "modular home" can also be the politically correct term for "double wide." Given the rest of their post (i.e. "Low-end shacks") I assumed the latter. :)

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94howardinyoungstown(591 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

@Carl, we have plenty of parking in Youngstown why would we need more parking lots? Why spend $200k on a new structure when you can buy a rehab an existing here for less than $70,000 I see no business logic in that who would they sell them too?

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95Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Housing built on a cement slab is the wave of the future . Prefab trucked in all but eleiminates construction noise .

New modern designs designs are very becoming .

http://design-milk.com/images/2009/07...

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96southsidedave(4780 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

Once, this was a beautiful gem in the heart of the city. However, times have changed and this park is now a wasteland.

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97twentyonetwelve(98 comments)posted 3 years, 1 month ago

I was at a wedding at Stambaugh last weekend, and I was watching the photographers take pictures of the bridal party in front of Wick Park. They were there less than one minute and here come the crackheads. These people are gross. The park is gross.

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98city_resident(513 comments)posted 3 years ago

YMMV, I guess. I haven't seen any "gross crackheads," just people who are different from me.

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99Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years ago

Now here is what I suggest . .. During early evening hours observe the foot traffic in the park . You may be surprised at what goes on . The park has a dire need for security .

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