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Group aims to boost Youngstown-Warren airport service



Published: Fri, April 29, 2011 @ 12:07 a.m.

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A resolution passed by Youngstown City Council in 1992 said the facility in Vienna would “forever be named Youngstown-Warren Regional Airport.”

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A new nonprofit is looking to bolster Youngstown-Warren Regional Airport’s flight destinations.

YNGAir will begin securing funds at a May 11 meeting at the airport to attract new flights to big-city destinations such as Detroit, New York and Las Vegas.

Doug Kibby, a YNGAir founder, said its main goal is to show community and business support for the airport’s efforts to secure daily airline service.

Through fundraising, the group will try to build a reserve account — about $1 million — to cover what’s called a minimum-revenue guarantee, a rainy-day fund smaller airports use as collateral to draw major airlines.

The airline itself cannot lobby for community money due to grant restrictions, said Dan Dickten, director of aviation. Instead, the airport and YNGAir will work with Western Reserve Port Authority, and Youngstown/Warren Regional Chamber will aid in driving community support.

Delta Airlines has asked the airport to submit a proposal for two daily flights from the airport to Detroit where local flyers can connect to more than 120 domestic and about 20 international destinations, Kibby said.

If a flight doesn’t generate the 3 percent revenue required by Delta — because of poor flight attendance — the funds generated by YNGAir would cover the guarantee.

At this point, all flights out of Youngstown are nearly packed, Dickten said, averaging 97-percent capacity. The airport services slightly less than 3,000 per month.

Flights go to Myrtle Beach, S.C., Orlando-Sanford, Fla. and St. Petersburg-Clearwater, Fla.

The nonprofit organization’s first meeting is scheduled to coincide with an Allegiant Air flight set to depart the airport at 6:55 p.m. The public is invited to attend and to show the region and the airline industry that customers want to fly into and out of the airport.

“This is an exciting time to be in the Youngstown-Warren region,” Kibby said. “With the natural-gas industry interested in this area, the boom and expansion of regional business, and the need for air travel to support those efforts, our organization is ready to take off and support the airport.”

Dickten and Thomas Reich, a consultant and president of Air Service Partners, will present updates to the public on recent negotiations.YNGAir will begin assembling its nine-member board at 7 p.m. May 11.

For more information, visit its web site at yngairpartners.org.


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1Miki(85 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Thinker, The list of those involve will be posted on the website in the next month. It is not completed yet. The first official meeting for the group will be in May.

I travel for my work and used Yng often. I would again if the flights would work with my schedule.

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2lovethebuckeyes(32 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Youngstown-Warren Regional Airport or as it should be known JUST ANOTHER GOVERMENTAL MONEY PIT!!!
Miki, just how old are you anyway? I used to use JAGMP for business travel in the 70's and early 80's but that was some 40 YEARS AGO. With all the secruity costs etc. more usage would only generate hundreds of thousands of more federal; state and local deficits? CLOSE JAGMP ASAP!! We spend $1.40 for every $1.00 in tax revenue and this is exactly what the the deficit looks like. Thousands and thousands of JAGMP's COVELLI CENTRES ETC. STOP THE MADNESS!!

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3valleyred(1079 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

TheThinker,

Please find at the link below the list of names involved in this project. We will be adding a biography page of all those involved by our May 11th meeting.

http://yngairpartners.org/interact-wi...

Included in that list is JD Williams, a man well known across the area: http://www.jdforstaterep.com/bio.html

Thank You.

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4canttakeit(2 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

hey thinker stop thinking so much and research some facts, that subsidy from mahoning county is actually the bed tax money collected that was issued for the port authority. so in essence none of your tax dollars goes to the Port, it is tax collected from visitors to the area staying in hotels. That isnt opinion its fact, go do an actual public records request and you will find that out.

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5TAXEDOFF(118 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

The (thinker) is 10o% right.

Why should taxpayers continue to poor millions into a clearly loosing proposition ?

The WRPA has a record showing that the airport is a BLACK HOLE of tax money

As for this non profit group it looks like Doug Kibby wants to add himself to the gravy train of tax money that The Chamber assures goes to the airport to enhance the property they own out there,

My guess is Doug Kibby is a pilot and has a plane out at the airport because it's cheaper

There's always a hidden agenda behind these so called non-profits

JD Williams another guy with links to the airport a pilot who has his own interests in mind for funding the airport.

Pirko another guy who has found his calling by sitting on non-profit boards and dealing out their tax dollars,.

Your entire YNG=AIR group needs to be exposed as a group that has one purpose to enrich themselves with tax money.

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6valleyred(1079 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

TheThinker,

Please note that Allegiant Air is in-fact a commercial carrier, one of the top three most profitable in the United States, and has been serving the Youngstown-Warren Regional Airport since May 2006.

Out of YNG, 97% of the seats on ALL Allegiant Air flights this year have been booked; which ranks it as one of the highest in the entire Allegiant Air system.

I recall many individuals on Vindy.com doubted whether Allegiant Air would succeed at YNG and I can say unequivocally that it has.

It is time for everyone in the Mahoning Valley to join with us as we strive to bring additional airlines and/or destinations to the Youngstown-Warren Regional Airport.

The negative mindset of far too many people in the Mahoning Valley has doomed this area for years. We refuse to allow the negativity of these individuals to put a damper on the great progress that is being made at YNG.

Join us and FlyYNG!
RSVP to the meeting here: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid...

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7TAXEDOFF(118 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

valleyred

You are the typical HYPOCRITE republican.

You rally on your blog about Tim Ryan's spending and government debt.

On the other hand you want the taxpayerrs to subsidize every seat on a flight that Alegiant flies from Youngstown.

You ranted about Obama bailing out GM but don't care about millions wasted at the black hole.

P.S. A proud naysayer if it was'nt for us millions more would be wasted on nonsense like the indoor racetrack, the blimp factory or the brewery.

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8fudputer(44 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

why is it- no matter what the topic,you residents bring up the( republicans vs the demos)...Don't you think if there was a profit to be made that united, american ,alaska, delta, airlines would service the area????? Jeezeeeeeeeeee.3000 people waiting to fly out of YNG. to go on vacation!!!! Did we recieve another stimilus check-guess i missed that one!!!!!!!

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9valleyred(1079 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

To TaxedOff, using your logic, I have to be a Democrat to support the airport?!? That is a ridiculous notion and completely false. We are expecting a representative with Senator Portman to be there on May 11th, and as you know, he is a Republican. We intend to remain neutral politically and expect officials from both parties to support our efforts.

Furthermore, Allegiant Air is not subsidized by the airport. YNG used a SCASD grant to entice them to come here, but those funds ran out years ago and they operate at YNG without any subsidy whatsoever. The YNG flights on Allegiant Air to Orlando-Sanford, Tampa Bay, and Myrtle Beach are profitable due to the 97% average loads on those flights. Flights to Ft. Lauderdale, Ft. Myer's, and possibly even Las Vegas could be the next to come to YNG with continued support from the fliers of the Mahoning Valley.

And just so you know, the Akron-Canton Airport used a SCASD grant to assist AirTran in launching service between CAK and New York LaGuardia Airport in 2003. Like here in YNG, those funds ran out and that service runs a profit for AirTran at CAK without a subsidy.

Thank You.

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10YNGAirPartners(3 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Thinker and Taxed off,

Thank you for your feedback! It is much appreciated. If you have specific questions about the group, I would be happy to answer them for you. You can email me dkibby2785@aol.com.

As for me being a pilot, I am not. I am a citizen who has grown up in the valley my entire life, even when serving in the Navy for 11 years I have been a resident of this community. This group is a true grass roots movement and has involvement with many around the area.

To answer some of your original questions. When the board is elected on the 11th, bio's will be made available on our website. We are not registered with the state yet because our attorney submitted the paper work and our by-laws just last week.

We are working WITH, not FOR the Chamber. On that note, I have strongly stated the position of our organization is to be neutral. We are not going to have any political influence as I am well aware of the political climate. Does that mean we won't have individuals with some political view points, no. I have also stressed that funding is to be PRIMARLY from private or other non-profit organization grants and donations. That is not to say we won't accept grant monies from public funds but I have stressed we are pushing for private funding.

Airlines have contacted the airport to put together proposals for them to fly out of YNG, so you would have to admit it must be viable if the airlines are asking for us to put this together. They will and some do see the profit that can be made here. Allegiant is a great example and continues to be one of the fastest growing airlines. The commercial carrier who was the last to fly out of YNG, was Northwest back in 2003.

If there are other questions you have, please email me and I will try to answer them for you. I respect your opinion and we can disagree, but I believe we see eye to eye on most things and want nothing more than to see this area turn it around and for me, that means seeing a viable airport shaking off the 'black hole' stigma.

I hope to hear from you soon!

DK

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11JME(801 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

What ever happened to the idea to create a logistical/distrubtion hub around at YNG? If I recall, wasn't Trafficant's federal dollars to expand the airport runways was to enable creating something similar to Rickenbacker airport in Columbus:

http://rickenbackerinlandport.com/en/...

"Rickenbacker / Columbus Inland Ports - Columbus, Ohio. Rickenbacker is a 5,000-acre all-cargo airport, which anchors the southern end of a 15,000 acre industrial zone. It contains over 22 million sf of class “A” distribution and logistics space that employs over 15,000 workers. The Rickenbacker Port Authority has developed 10 million sf over the last 10 years in the FTZ industrial park. An additional 12 million sf have been developed in 12 other industrial parks in the Rickenbacker area over the last five years."

http://www.stlrcga.org/x4284.xml

Realistically, is commercial service viable at YNG considering the decreasing population and the proximity to Pittsburgh and Cleveland airports.

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12JME(801 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

"...nearly 153.8 million pounds of cargo moved through Rickenbacker in 2010,"

http://columbusairports.com/files/pre...

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13TAXEDOFF(118 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

You must be just dense and STUPID there is NO need for air servive in YNG when PITT and CLE are 60 miles either way!!!!

This video really shows the mentality ofthe mindless cheerleaders who support every nut ball project that comes along.

http://youtu.be/qD_DyLXPYug

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14truth101(20 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Those who use Akron-Canton as an example of successful growth need to realize that they, like other successful smaller airports started and grew by offering non-stop flights (AirTran, etc.) to major markets – not connecting flights that take as much time as a quick drive to one of our three regional airports.

Another great question for everyone to be asking is: who is really behind pushing our airport at any cost, and why? If so many see that it has no business future and are so opposed to pumping more money into it, then who are the powerful ones behind the scenes driving it? Do they own the land around the airport? The land around the Clinton era proposed military center was owned by Cafaro!!! It was on Belmont Ave. just south of the airport!!! Hmmmm?

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15YNGAirPartners(3 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Truth101,

Thank you for your comments.

YNG does offer non-stop flights currently to Orlando, Myrtle Beach and Tampa/St. Pete.

Air Tran started at CAK with one plane flying to Orlando back in 1996 and a majority of their flights back in the 80's and 90's were connecting flights.

By the time you drive to CLE or PIT, park, get through security, and board your plane, you will already be through Detroit airport and on your way to your destination. The airline industry is looking at smaller planes and connecting flights because of fuel costs.

There are over 60 letters from prominant businesses around the region, who want and need an airline at YNG.

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16candystriper(572 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

Those attending the meeting will receive a free pair of rose colored glasses.

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17truth101(20 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

I hope all 60 prominent businesses will fly to Detroit and back every day! I also hope they won't mind paying as much or more for their total ticket as they would pay to fly to their destination directly! The airlines may want to move to smaller planes with more stops, but the flying public does not! Although it's a long shot, I hope you are right. If you are, Youngstown should become the major business center it never has been - all we need are flights into and out of YNG through Detroit - right?

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18valleyperson(7 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

well with akron canton losing air tran i guess thats one less airport your going to have to fly direct out of. that leaves you with pit and cleveland, and even then your getting less and less direct flights every year. This year alone direct flights dropped from 210 to 166 a day, but what do i know.

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19Traveler(606 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

how about we close this airport and with what we are paying for the airport we can set up a free limo service to take people from Youngstown to the pittsburgh airport and back cant cost anymore then where paying now

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20Erplane(447 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

To all those here that talked about the 'many people' who see that YNG doesnt make sense, do you actually think you represent the majority of the thinking public and private sector? There are nowhere near as many direct flights out of PIT and CLE as there used to be. Further, connecting through DTW can be cheaper than flying from PIT or CLE, depending on demand, etc.

What makes me laugh is that every action somebody takes is construed to be a grand conspiracy for people to profit. Oh, please. How about the fact that maintaining a vibrant airport is good for our economy? First off, a healthy airport lessens the risk that the DoD would pull out the Air Force Reserve station. Second, growing business means not living by the status quo, but taking quantified, calculated risks. This is what the airport and its team is doing now.

For those who have legitimate arguments as to why there should not be service at YNG, I encourage you to attend the next YNG Partners meetings and voice your concern. For the conspiracy theorists, we'll try to get direct flights to Roswell.

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21valleyred(1079 comments)posted 2 years, 11 months ago

And it is worth noting, everyone working for YNGAir Partners are V-O-L-U-N-T-E-E-R-S taking the time out of their lives to help attract additional airline service for nothing!

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