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Everybody has to make cuts

Published: Thu, April 28, 2011 @ 12:00 a.m.

Everybody has to make cuts

Administrators of Poland schools claim they have no choice but to ask the taxpayers for more money. The additional cost to a Poland homeowner of a $100,000 home would be $150 a year. They act like it’s a $1.50.

They have a choice: cut their wages from the superintendent on down the ladder.

We haven’t had a cost of living raise in two years. Food, which is necessary, and the price of gasoline alone does a good job on our income. What does it take to make them understand? We’ve made cuts in our way of living as it is.

Barbara Eggleston, Poland

Think twice before vaccinating

I want to thank Andrea Keller for her April 7 letter about vaccination and its linkage to autism and a host of other infirmities.

My husband and I are the parents of four beautiful children, ages 10-19, and never had our children vaccinated. All are healthy and well adjusted, in fact, we never had a pediatrician although the children have visited our family physician for minor ailments on occasion.

I read the book “A Shot in the Dark” before the birth of our first child and it convinced me of the dangers of vaccination. We also attended a conference in Michigan on the question of vaccination where parents of vaccine damaged children (and the children), doctors, experts and lawyers gathered to exchange information. What we heard and saw was very compelling. I know someone whose baby contracted a fatal blood disease following vaccination. The medical authorities denied vaccination as the cause but I don’t believe them, there are too many incidences that go unreported estimating an erroneous law risk.

I hate to say this but it is truth: There’s a lot of politics involved with vaccination and there’s a lot of profit and security to behold when the government is a regular customer, you draw your own conclusions.

Sandra Groza Hrabowy, Liberty


1yes(10 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Teachers are not over paid. Neither are doctors or attorneys or wherever the average individual works. We are all underpaid, but we all watch the overpaid work. By this I mean those who watch television. Compared to actors, football players, basketball players, or baseball players and newscasters, we make peanuts.

The fact confronting Canfield, Poland, McDonald, and many school systems is that the TAXPAYERS are the persons paying the salaries. TAXPAYERS are the boss or business owner in a sense. At this time in Ohio we have become top heavy with government employees and less private sector workers. Public servants are no longer servants to the taxpayer, but a burden. All the school systems I have reviewed have paid their teachers some handsome increases along with some really nice administrators increases. Problem is that there are not many TAXPAYERS if any making enough money to fund these increases.

In 2006 my wife’s teaching job was eliminated. After 28 years of service no union could save it, nor could her good employee evaluations. As a result she found a new teaching position and had her salary reduced about 32%. When I look at the pay increases in these school districts, I see salary increases of as much as $19,000 since 2004. Sure those people may be worth it, but can we afford to pay it? Shame on those public servants for even asking the TAXPAYER for pay increases in the current economic time, expecting us to approve it in a TAX increase. We are in hard economic times. Why must the employer (the TAXPAYER) commit to this type of pay increase when we have not had that increase ourselves in most cases? Think about the fixed income individuals that will share the burden of the TAX to pay our public servants that make over $50,000 per year.

When every teacher and administrator takes 32% cut in pay like our household did, most TAXPAYERS would not mind helping out too if needed. Let us all think outside the box and look for other ways to pay our public servants. How about some contributions from those people we watch work everyday or may be just stop watching the actors and sports figures work..

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2commoncitizen(961 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

You have stated an excellent response to the problem at hand.
Seems as if the government workers (public workers) only want to GET but not give, even in these times when seniors on S.S. haven't received a raise in over two years and the cost of Medicare,gas property taxes,etc have all gone up.
Time for them to take a pay/benefit cut.

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3apollo(1227 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Yes, the public sector isn't in a giving mood. They're so used to getting more for so long, they think it is their God given right. So much so that public sector work in the Mahoning Valley is the highest paying and has the best benefits. Yet, they want more and will go to any means to scare the voters into bending over once again.

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4AtownParent(561 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Dear Sandra, many diseases were eradicated thanks to those vaccines you refuse to give your children. And thanks to people like you many of those diseases are now showing back up the in the US population.

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5meagain(80 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

I love all the passion surrounding these issues. The truth of the matter is we wouldn't even be talking about this if schools were funded more equally. I wish everyone so passionate about this would focus that energy on resolving this matter instead of pointing fingers at their neighbors and calling them things like greedy and selfish. Why are you not so impassioned about the fact that less than ten cents of every dollar comes back to support your local communities? That your taxes go to pay for other districts as well as line the pockets of exectutives heading charter schools isn't at all worrisome to you? If you found a way to fix those issues our local districts wouldn't be calling on us to approve a levy.

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6concerned(167 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago


You know diseases have been eradicated from vaccines how? How do you know this? The public health officials tell you so. Say, some have eradicated some diseases for argument sake. Is it possible we are simply trading acute illnesses for chronic life long diseases that shorten and lessen the quality of lives?

Sandra seemed to have went the extra mile to make an informed educated decision about vaccination. Her children are proof that her decision has cetainly not harmed them and sounds like they are thriving and doing quite well.

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7mcdres2(30 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

meagain - you make some very valid points. There is a lot wrong with the way education is funded in Ohio, especially open enrollment. If you only get $4,800 for a student that lives in your district, why should you get $5,800 for an open enrollment student? How about vouchers? If you want to send your child to a private or parochial school, that's your choice and you should pay the entire cost of it. Why should a public school district pay for that?

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8walter_sobchak(1856 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Sandra Groza Hrabowsky,
The reason your children have not contracted some deadly childhood disease is because the vast majority of parents use their heads and get their children vaccinated. To deny that vaccinations have not suppressed deadly and disabling diseases is insanity. Look at the horror this country would suffer from outbreaks of polio, how families had to be quarantined. First, you wackos (and I mean this in the strongest of terms) tried to blame it on the thimersol used as a vaccine preservative because it had mercury. So, despite the fact the FDA could find no link, the manufacturers eliminated it from their products but that just isn't enough. Polio, smallpox, mumps, measles, diptheris, tetanus...no longer a concern for the educated. And, you almost seem proud that you have never established a relationship with a pediatrician. You are fortunate you have never needed one.

So, I have researched this vaccination folly years ago and come to the conclusion that parents like you are highly irresponsible.

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9concerned(167 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago


Vaccination policy and protocol are ever changing. How can you research something and come to a conclusion that vaccines are always safe and always save lives when new ones and different adjuvants are being used? When I was a small child I needed a handful of vaccines to enter school. Today that list has grown to 36-48 doses of vaccines by the age of six. Thimerosal has never actually been removed from vaccines. It is still used in 90% of the flu vaccines that are produced and pushed on people and their children. Other vaccines contain "trace" amounts.   Someone who is sensitive to mercury ( all children and infants are) could be adversely affected. Mercury has an infinity for the brain of developing fetuses and infants. Why do we suddenly all need an annual flu shot? Pregnant women are told they are the most at risk. As thimerosal was phased out of the pediatric schedule the mercury laced flu shot was pushed.  We are told thimerosal is no longer in the pediatric schedule except in the flu shot. Bait and switch. You have been had. The MMR is the only other vaccine studied for it's correlation to autism. Epidemiological studies in foreign countries that use very different vaccine schedules than the US is not very helpful in determining how the MMR in conjunction with all the other vaccines given affects autism. Which brings me to another point. The only way to determine the affects of vaccines on things like autism are to look at populations of groups who have received no vaccines versus some vaccines. Everyone studied to date gets some vaccines. Consider comparing a pack a day smoker to a three pack a day smoker. They both smoke. Comparing non-smokers to smokers is the logical study to perform. Vaccinated versuses un-vaccinated is the only logical study to perform for autism and all the other chronic health problems kids now a days have. Yet, our public health officials refuse to conduct such a study. Why? What are they afraid of? If they look at Sandra's healthy kids I understand why. Don't you? 

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10concerned(167 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Walter, our children are very sick today. They have numerous health, learning and behavior problems. In 1999 the AAP created the Autism Alarm. They said 1 in 6 children has some kind of neurological disorder. Our children are not well. People like you (which I won't call you a wacko either-maybe a stooge?) are blissfully ignorant to this statistic. We should all be calling for safer vaccines. Instead, we have people ignoring the fact our children are suffering from unprecedented chronic health conditions and that 1 in 70 boys has autism. Please wake up. Sandra was right when she said when the government is involved in funding vaccines and implementing vaccination policy. Pharmaceutical companies have no liability when it comes to vaccines thanks to our government. Shouldn't vaccines be treated like every other drug or medical product. Each and every day children are becoming disabled by too many toxic vaccines given too soon. And you sir will be paying for their lifelong care as a tax payer. We have now lost far more boys to autism than we lost in the vietnam war. Instead of calling people like Sandra wackos consider re-visiting your beliefs. Vaccination policy is never stagnant. Therefore, no final decision can be made-ever. I hope no one you love and care about ever suffers an adverse vaccine reaction and suffers an irreversible injury. One that disables them for life. You will hate yourself for being so naive and foolish on this topic. It's quite complex and I assure you not cut and dry at all. 

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11concerned(167 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Guess the government doesn't agree with you Walter. Let this be a lesson. The government tells the unsuspecting public one thing and is doing something totally else.

Wake up please.

Government and Many Scientists Agree: Vaccine-Autism Research Should Continue

April 26, 2011 
The vaccine-autism debate is far from over. If anything, it is just getting started.

As the following comments, funding decisions, research priorites and published papers suggest, the US government and many scientists will be researching and discussing this topic for years to come. Here are some reasons why:


The federal government’s four leading health entitites dealing with vaccines and/or autism have all reached consensus: More vaccine safety research is required to fill gaps in knowledge, especially in the context of susceptible subpopulations, mitochondrial impairment, long-tern effects of vaccine-induced fever, seizures and brain injury, and other factors. Millions of dollars will be spent investigating these factors, and not because health officials somehow caved to parental pressure. Mercury in vaccines, for example, was designated as one of the CDC’s “high priority” vaccine safety issues, following an “extensive review of the literature, based on how strongly they seemed to be associated with ASD.”

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Office of Immunization Saftey

The CDC will study autism “as a possible clinical outcome of immunization” as part of its 5-year research plan. It will also study mitochondrial dysfunction and the risk for “post-vaccine neurological deterioration,” and will convene an expert panel on the feasibility of studying health outcomes, including autism, among vaccinated and unvaccinated children.



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12paulparks(235 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago


We all have to deal with reality, and the reality is that:
(1) teachers always want "whatever the market will bear.", i.e., they push and push and push until levies are defeated. Then they want applause for forced concessions,
(2) school boards do a lousy job of getting the most for taxpayers' employment dollars - until we say "no" many times, &
(3) teachers have carefully cultivated a selfless image while getting "over the top" compensation packages.

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13walter_sobchak(1856 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Yes, I understand the reason that the writer's children are healthy. It is called "here Immunization". Her children receive the benefits of immunization since the vast majority of thinking, caring parents get their kids properly immunized. The following is from Consumer's Union, that prints Consumer Reports magazine:
The diseases prevented by the 12 childhood vaccines in the table below are bad ones. They can leave you blind, deaf, or paralyzed. They can cause painful infections of the bones, lungs, or skin. They can inflame the brain, turn healthy cells cancerous, or scar the heart. In some cases, they can kill.

"Routine vaccination, however, has all but eliminated many of those diseases. For example, in 2006 there were only 55 reported cases of measles in the U.S., and none of diphtheria or polio. In comparison, before vaccination became common some 500,000 people in the U.S. developed measles each year, 176,000 contracted diphtheria, and 16,000 came down with polio."

You can believe in your fantasies. I know, if you view the earth from a space capsule and see a round object, this doesn't prove that the earth is not flat since this is a similar image to looking at a DVD sideways. Just because your paranoid doesn't mean that they're not all out to get you!

I would hate myself if I didn't have my children immunized and they contracted polio or diptheria. As it is, the facts are NOT on your side but it must be a government conspiracy. Scientists want research to continue so that they can still have a research job.

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14concerned(167 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago


Did you bother to read anything I wrote? I don't think so. How can you decide that all vaccines are always safe when new vaccines are added all the time? You are deciding that any vaccine that the government says you or your child should get is A-Okay. That is just being way too trusting and simply gullible and stupid.

Vaccines are known to cause harm and even death. Have you ever heard of the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program? It was a program started in 1986 under president Reagan to provide compensation to people harmed or killed by vaccines. So, Walter you are arguing a mute point. Vaccines do cause harm. the government knows it and people are being compensated for their injuries.

Check out this 2 minute trailer to a brand new movie on the subject of vaccines. This documentary was produced by someone who does not have a vested interest for or against vaccines. Both sides are supposed to be presented fairly.

The Greater Good



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15walter_sobchak(1856 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago

Yes, I did read some of the info you provided and it is all skewed. The vaccine compensation plan you talk about was developed by Congress because pharmaceutical compaies ceased production of vaccines because of the risk of being sued. Many companies had to pay large settlements for supposed injury due to vaccinations even though science totally discredited them. The government was worried that herd immunization benefit would be lost as the DPT vaccine was going into short supply. These links and trailers you provide are radical websites that are spreading propoganda. As I stated previously, Consumer's Union, certainly no defender of industry and production states:
"The diseases prevented by the 12 childhood vaccines in the table below are bad ones. They can leave you blind, deaf, or paralyzed. They can cause painful infections of the bones, lungs, or skin. They can inflame the brain, turn healthy cells cancerous, or scar the heart. In some cases, they can kill."

"Routine vaccination, however, has all but eliminated many of those diseases. For example, in 2006 there were only 55 reported cases of measles in the U.S., and none of diphtheria or polio. In comparison, before vaccination became common some 500,000 people in the U.S. developed measles each year, 176,000 contracted diphtheria, and 16,000 came down with polio."

This is no different than the linking of silicon breast implants to connective tissue disorders. No link can be established EXCEPT that big pharma makes huge profits off of medications so why not make them pay for the suffering of people. Junk science has screwed this country. Get your facts straight and use the brain God gave you. Or was Jonas Salk the devil?

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16concerned(167 comments)posted 3 years, 3 months ago


Your opinions are actually kind of funny in a sad sort of way. But, I have grown bored of you. I'm moving on....

For anyone else who may be interested in seeing the very new and very non-biased film The Greater Good here is a review of the film.
The Greater Good literally left me speechless. The amount of research that went into this film is evident in every interview and visual graphic. I can't remember the last time I've learned so much only to discover that I really don't know anything at all. This documentary appeals to me academically and emotionally as directors Chris Pilaro and Kendall Nelson opted to bypass the usual stacks of statistics and instead educate through personal accounts.  The film’s central study is vaccinations, however, it digs below the surface, dissecting past legislation that has had an effect on vaccination manufacturing today.

The Greater Good could have easily turned into a pro- or anti-vaccine documentary but the directors do a good job at presenting arguments from both sides. It is easier to find the personal accounts of people adversely affected by vaccines more appealing, but the scientists and other academics speak on a level that is easily understandable for everyone.  As a result, the film rarely skips a beat, offering up mountains of information that will have you questioning your own beliefs before the film reaches its end.

The whole film boils down to the concept of “show us the science and give us the choice”.  It calls for lawmakers to allow each family to decide for themselves whether or not vaccinations are wise for their children.  I greatly enjoy films that allow me to draw my own conclusions without shoving its own viewpoint down my throat - The Greater Good does just that, and from a documentary, what more can you want?

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17walter_sobchak(1856 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

No, it's not that you have grown bored, it's that you have no FACTS to base your arguments on. Junk science. Personal accounts are not science. It's like the evidence-based nutritional supplements. ("Will taking shark fin cure my arthritits?" "Well, we have a testimonial...") The studies that have been cited by these conspiracy theorists have some statistical problem with the way they are conducted. The true scientific numbers prove the point. Forutnately, herd immunization will continue and all children will be protected from getting these dreaded diseases.

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18concerned(167 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

You are boring Walter and by skimming over your 600 plus comments I can see you must be a lonely unhappy person who thinks they know a lot about everything. This is your hobby. It gives you something to do. I understand.

More info about the Great Good movie.
THE GREATER GOOD interviews leading authorities on vaccines and vaccine safety. Equal consideration is given to the doctors and scientists who advocate for universal vaccination as to those who persistently ask probing questions about regulation and administration.

DR. PAUL OFFIT is a highly esteemed infectious disease doctor, vaccine patent holder, Merck consultant and the most vocal vaccine advocate in America today. As he walks the halls of the prestigious Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, Dr. Offit wants only to help children, and he is a staunch believer in the ideal of the greater good. He reflects on the dark days when polio was widespread, and when it comes to vaccine policy, he says candidly that parents are not in the best position to choose what is right for their children.

In his book, Autism’s False Prophets, he condemns many who have linked vaccines to autism—an issue that has co-opted the spotlight from the larger issue of vaccine safety—and expresses optimism for the future of the national vaccine program.

BARBARA LOE FISHER, co-founder and president of the National Vaccine Information Center and co-author of the 1985 book DPT: A Shot in the Dark, has advocated for public education and the ethical principle of informed consent regarding mandatory vaccination policies. Her interest in the issue began after her two and a half year old son suffered a severe reaction to his fourth DPT shot in 1980 resulting in permanent brain injury that left him with multiple learning disabilities and attention deficit disorder. She worked with Congress on the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 and served on the federal National Vaccine Advisory Committee (1988-1992); Institute of Medicine Vaccine Safety Forum (1995-1998); FDA Vaccines & Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (1999-2002); CDC's Vaccine Policy Analysis Collaborative (2002-2005) and has testified in Congress and in state legislatures on vaccine safety and exemption issues.

DR. NORMAN W. BAYLOR is the Director of the Office of Vaccines Research and Review in the FDA’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research. Prior to his position as Director, Dr. Baylor served as Deputy Director of OVRR and Associate Director for Regulatory Policy. He received his B.S. degree in medical microbiology from the University of Wisconsin, Madison, and his M.S. and Ph.D. degrees in microbial genetics and molecular microbiology, respectively from the University of Kentucky. Bio continues...

Full listing of experts interviewed continues here:


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19walter_sobchak(1856 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

I'm not lonely, nor unhappy. I happen to be a well-educated engineer that has a very broad base of knowledge that I use to try to educate the general public. My vast array of comments are many times amusing to others to uplift their day. (Like Mayour Williams has a head straight out of "Mars Attacks!". This is funny stuff!) Many of them are there to educate people of the dangers that Americans face from fascism and socialism. Other comments are made to warn people about junk science, such as this fallacious vaccine issue, human-caused global warming, eco-terrorism, etc. And, the best part; I have sired a son that is currently studying for his PhD in biomedical research and he has similar beliefs and attitudes as me!!!!! In discussing this issue with him this weekend while enjoying a fine imperial stout, we agreed that this anti-vaccine movement is dangerous to the American way of life. Or, as my son so aptly put it, maybe Ms. Hrabowy should take her unvaccinated children to sub-saharan Africa for a couple of weeks and see what happens!

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20Tellingthetruth(11 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

I wouldn't waste your time responding to Walter because he only sees things his way.
BTW Walter I think Concerned is point on with the fact you have nothing else to do but post on this website. Just because you have statements to share don't think they are always "educated." Remember people have their opinions just like you! I surely hope the "private sector" is not paying you to comment on this site during your shift. HAHA!

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21walter_sobchak(1856 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Sorry, I didn't check this earlier. But, my comments are always smart, edgy, and on point whether it's on technical topics, like scientific points, or current events, like the sweet deals that teachers have in Ohio. Come to think of it, I have quite a lot in common with the "most interesting man in the world". (I saw a psychic once, just to warn her!) Certainly, everyone is entitled to their opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts. These posts about vaccinations are fallacious and lacking in scientific credibility. I can't imagine who has educated these people!

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22concerned(167 comments)posted 3 years, 2 months ago

Here's some facts Walter...

 A Review of Compensated Cases of Vaccine-Induced Brain Injury

Pace Environmental Law Review, vol. 28, no. 2, 2011

Available in full * at http://digitalcommons.pace.edu/pelr/

*Paper not available on line until  9:00 am EDT

Executive Summary

In 1986, Congress created the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) under the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (1986 Law).  This Program has original jurisdiction for children’s claims of vaccine injury.  Because almost all children receive multiple vaccinations for daycare and school, it is critically important that the Program provides fundamental fairness, due process and transparency.

This empirical investigation, published in a peer-reviewed law journal, examines claims that the VICP compensated for vaccine-induced encephalopathy and seizure disorder.  The VICP has compensated approximately 2,500 claims of vaccine injury since the inception of the program.  This study found 83 cases of acknowledged vaccine-induced brain damage that include autism, a disorder that affects speech, social communication and behavior.  In 21 published cases of the Court of Federal Claims, which administers the VICP, the Court stated that the petitioners had autism or described autism unambiguously.  In 62 remaining cases, the authors identified settlement agreements where Health and Human Services (HHS) compensated children with vaccine-induced brain damage, who also have autism or an autism spectrum disorder.

Parents reported the existence of autism in telephone interviews and supplied supplemental materials including medical diagnoses, school records, and completed, standard autism screening questionnaires to verify their reports.  In 39 of the 83 cases, or 47% of the cases of vaccine injury reviewed, there is confirmation of autism or autism spectrum disorder beyond parental report. 

This finding of autism in compensated cases of vaccine injury is significant.  U.S. government spokespeople have been asserting no vaccine-autism link for more than a decade.  This finding calls into question the decisions of the Court of Federal Claims in the Omnibus Autism Proceeding in 2009 and 2010 and the statement of Health and Human Services on its website that “HHS has never concluded in any case that autism was caused by vaccination.” 

Using publicly available information, the investigation shows that the VICP has been compensating cases of vaccine-induced brain damage associated with autism for more than twenty years.  This investigation suggests that officials at HHS, the Department of Justice and the Court of Federal Claims may have been aware of this association but failed to publicly disclose it.

The study calls on Congress to thoroughly investigate the VICP, including a medical investigation of compensated claims of vaccine injury.  This investigation calls on Congress to get answers to these critically important unanswered questions.

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