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Everybody has to make cuts

Published: Thu, April 28, 2011 @ 12:00 a.m.

Everybody has to make cuts

Administrators of Poland schools claim they have no choice but to ask the taxpayers for more money. The additional cost to a Poland homeowner of a $100,000 home would be $150 a year. They act like it’s a $1.50.

They have a choice: cut their wages from the superintendent on down the ladder.

We haven’t had a cost of living raise in two years. Food, which is necessary, and the price of gasoline alone does a good job on our income. What does it take to make them understand? We’ve made cuts in our way of living as it is.

Barbara Eggleston, Poland

Think twice before vaccinating

I want to thank Andrea Keller for her April 7 letter about vaccination and its linkage to autism and a host of other infirmities.

My husband and I are the parents of four beautiful children, ages 10-19, and never had our children vaccinated. All are healthy and well adjusted, in fact, we never had a pediatrician although the children have visited our family physician for minor ailments on occasion.

I read the book “A Shot in the Dark” before the birth of our first child and it convinced me of the dangers of vaccination. We also attended a conference in Michigan on the question of vaccination where parents of vaccine damaged children (and the children), doctors, experts and lawyers gathered to exchange information. What we heard and saw was very compelling. I know someone whose baby contracted a fatal blood disease following vaccination. The medical authorities denied vaccination as the cause but I don’t believe them, there are too many incidences that go unreported estimating an erroneous law risk.

I hate to say this but it is truth: There’s a lot of politics involved with vaccination and there’s a lot of profit and security to behold when the government is a regular customer, you draw your own conclusions.

Sandra Groza Hrabowy, Liberty


1yes(10 comments)posted 3 years, 11 months ago

Teachers are not over paid. Neither are doctors or attorneys or wherever the average individual works. We are all underpaid, but we all watch the overpaid work. By this I mean those who watch television. Compared to actors, football players, basketball players, or baseball players and newscasters, we make peanuts.

The fact confronting Canfield, Poland, McDonald, and many school systems is that the TAXPAYERS are the persons paying the salaries. TAXPAYERS are the boss or business owner in a sense. At this time in Ohio we have become top heavy with government employees and less private sector workers. Public servants are no longer servants to the taxpayer, but a burden. All the school systems I have reviewed have paid their teachers some handsome increases along with some really nice administrators increases. Problem is that there are not many TAXPAYERS if any making enough money to fund these increases.

In 2006 my wife’s teaching job was eliminated. After 28 years of service no union could save it, nor could her good employee evaluations. As a result she found a new teaching position and had her salary reduced about 32%. When I look at the pay increases in these school districts, I see salary increases of as much as $19,000 since 2004. Sure those people may be worth it, but can we afford to pay it? Shame on those public servants for even asking the TAXPAYER for pay increases in the current economic time, expecting us to approve it in a TAX increase. We are in hard economic times. Why must the employer (the TAXPAYER) commit to this type of pay increase when we have not had that increase ourselves in most cases? Think about the fixed income individuals that will share the burden of the TAX to pay our public servants that make over $50,000 per year.

When every teacher and administrator takes 32% cut in pay like our household did, most TAXPAYERS would not mind helping out too if needed. Let us all think outside the box and look for other ways to pay our public servants. How about some contributions from those people we watch work everyday or may be just stop watching the actors and sports figures work..

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2apollo(1227 comments)posted 3 years, 11 months ago

Yes, the public sector isn't in a giving mood. They're so used to getting more for so long, they think it is their God given right. So much so that public sector work in the Mahoning Valley is the highest paying and has the best benefits. Yet, they want more and will go to any means to scare the voters into bending over once again.

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3AtownParent(564 comments)posted 3 years, 11 months ago

Dear Sandra, many diseases were eradicated thanks to those vaccines you refuse to give your children. And thanks to people like you many of those diseases are now showing back up the in the US population.

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4meagain(84 comments)posted 3 years, 11 months ago

I love all the passion surrounding these issues. The truth of the matter is we wouldn't even be talking about this if schools were funded more equally. I wish everyone so passionate about this would focus that energy on resolving this matter instead of pointing fingers at their neighbors and calling them things like greedy and selfish. Why are you not so impassioned about the fact that less than ten cents of every dollar comes back to support your local communities? That your taxes go to pay for other districts as well as line the pockets of exectutives heading charter schools isn't at all worrisome to you? If you found a way to fix those issues our local districts wouldn't be calling on us to approve a levy.

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5mcdres2(30 comments)posted 3 years, 11 months ago

meagain - you make some very valid points. There is a lot wrong with the way education is funded in Ohio, especially open enrollment. If you only get $4,800 for a student that lives in your district, why should you get $5,800 for an open enrollment student? How about vouchers? If you want to send your child to a private or parochial school, that's your choice and you should pay the entire cost of it. Why should a public school district pay for that?

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6walter_sobchak(2055 comments)posted 3 years, 11 months ago

Sandra Groza Hrabowsky,
The reason your children have not contracted some deadly childhood disease is because the vast majority of parents use their heads and get their children vaccinated. To deny that vaccinations have not suppressed deadly and disabling diseases is insanity. Look at the horror this country would suffer from outbreaks of polio, how families had to be quarantined. First, you wackos (and I mean this in the strongest of terms) tried to blame it on the thimersol used as a vaccine preservative because it had mercury. So, despite the fact the FDA could find no link, the manufacturers eliminated it from their products but that just isn't enough. Polio, smallpox, mumps, measles, diptheris, tetanus...no longer a concern for the educated. And, you almost seem proud that you have never established a relationship with a pediatrician. You are fortunate you have never needed one.

So, I have researched this vaccination folly years ago and come to the conclusion that parents like you are highly irresponsible.

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7paulparks(235 comments)posted 3 years, 11 months ago


We all have to deal with reality, and the reality is that:
(1) teachers always want "whatever the market will bear.", i.e., they push and push and push until levies are defeated. Then they want applause for forced concessions,
(2) school boards do a lousy job of getting the most for taxpayers' employment dollars - until we say "no" many times, &
(3) teachers have carefully cultivated a selfless image while getting "over the top" compensation packages.

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8walter_sobchak(2055 comments)posted 3 years, 11 months ago

Yes, I understand the reason that the writer's children are healthy. It is called "here Immunization". Her children receive the benefits of immunization since the vast majority of thinking, caring parents get their kids properly immunized. The following is from Consumer's Union, that prints Consumer Reports magazine:
The diseases prevented by the 12 childhood vaccines in the table below are bad ones. They can leave you blind, deaf, or paralyzed. They can cause painful infections of the bones, lungs, or skin. They can inflame the brain, turn healthy cells cancerous, or scar the heart. In some cases, they can kill.

"Routine vaccination, however, has all but eliminated many of those diseases. For example, in 2006 there were only 55 reported cases of measles in the U.S., and none of diphtheria or polio. In comparison, before vaccination became common some 500,000 people in the U.S. developed measles each year, 176,000 contracted diphtheria, and 16,000 came down with polio."

You can believe in your fantasies. I know, if you view the earth from a space capsule and see a round object, this doesn't prove that the earth is not flat since this is a similar image to looking at a DVD sideways. Just because your paranoid doesn't mean that they're not all out to get you!

I would hate myself if I didn't have my children immunized and they contracted polio or diptheria. As it is, the facts are NOT on your side but it must be a government conspiracy. Scientists want research to continue so that they can still have a research job.

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9walter_sobchak(2055 comments)posted 3 years, 11 months ago

Yes, I did read some of the info you provided and it is all skewed. The vaccine compensation plan you talk about was developed by Congress because pharmaceutical compaies ceased production of vaccines because of the risk of being sued. Many companies had to pay large settlements for supposed injury due to vaccinations even though science totally discredited them. The government was worried that herd immunization benefit would be lost as the DPT vaccine was going into short supply. These links and trailers you provide are radical websites that are spreading propoganda. As I stated previously, Consumer's Union, certainly no defender of industry and production states:
"The diseases prevented by the 12 childhood vaccines in the table below are bad ones. They can leave you blind, deaf, or paralyzed. They can cause painful infections of the bones, lungs, or skin. They can inflame the brain, turn healthy cells cancerous, or scar the heart. In some cases, they can kill."

"Routine vaccination, however, has all but eliminated many of those diseases. For example, in 2006 there were only 55 reported cases of measles in the U.S., and none of diphtheria or polio. In comparison, before vaccination became common some 500,000 people in the U.S. developed measles each year, 176,000 contracted diphtheria, and 16,000 came down with polio."

This is no different than the linking of silicon breast implants to connective tissue disorders. No link can be established EXCEPT that big pharma makes huge profits off of medications so why not make them pay for the suffering of people. Junk science has screwed this country. Get your facts straight and use the brain God gave you. Or was Jonas Salk the devil?

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10walter_sobchak(2055 comments)posted 3 years, 10 months ago

No, it's not that you have grown bored, it's that you have no FACTS to base your arguments on. Junk science. Personal accounts are not science. It's like the evidence-based nutritional supplements. ("Will taking shark fin cure my arthritits?" "Well, we have a testimonial...") The studies that have been cited by these conspiracy theorists have some statistical problem with the way they are conducted. The true scientific numbers prove the point. Forutnately, herd immunization will continue and all children will be protected from getting these dreaded diseases.

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11walter_sobchak(2055 comments)posted 3 years, 10 months ago

I'm not lonely, nor unhappy. I happen to be a well-educated engineer that has a very broad base of knowledge that I use to try to educate the general public. My vast array of comments are many times amusing to others to uplift their day. (Like Mayour Williams has a head straight out of "Mars Attacks!". This is funny stuff!) Many of them are there to educate people of the dangers that Americans face from fascism and socialism. Other comments are made to warn people about junk science, such as this fallacious vaccine issue, human-caused global warming, eco-terrorism, etc. And, the best part; I have sired a son that is currently studying for his PhD in biomedical research and he has similar beliefs and attitudes as me!!!!! In discussing this issue with him this weekend while enjoying a fine imperial stout, we agreed that this anti-vaccine movement is dangerous to the American way of life. Or, as my son so aptly put it, maybe Ms. Hrabowy should take her unvaccinated children to sub-saharan Africa for a couple of weeks and see what happens!

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12Tellingthetruth(11 comments)posted 3 years, 10 months ago

I wouldn't waste your time responding to Walter because he only sees things his way.
BTW Walter I think Concerned is point on with the fact you have nothing else to do but post on this website. Just because you have statements to share don't think they are always "educated." Remember people have their opinions just like you! I surely hope the "private sector" is not paying you to comment on this site during your shift. HAHA!

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13walter_sobchak(2055 comments)posted 3 years, 10 months ago

Sorry, I didn't check this earlier. But, my comments are always smart, edgy, and on point whether it's on technical topics, like scientific points, or current events, like the sweet deals that teachers have in Ohio. Come to think of it, I have quite a lot in common with the "most interesting man in the world". (I saw a psychic once, just to warn her!) Certainly, everyone is entitled to their opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts. These posts about vaccinations are fallacious and lacking in scientific credibility. I can't imagine who has educated these people!

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