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Spoiled public employees raise ire



Published: Thu, April 21, 2011 @ 12:00 a.m.

Spoiled public employees raise ire

The April 6 letter “Different view of public employees” demands a response. While I agree with her criticism of unfair trade agreements and Wall Street bailouts, the writer was way off the mark regarding compensation for government employees. Public sector employees’ pay, benefits and pensions have far surpassed those of the vast majority of private sector workers. Over the past 30 years or so, most people who work in private industry have been cut and squeezed relentlessly, while government employees have been spoiled with pay, benefits and pensions that the rest of us could only dream of. And it’s our taxes that are paying for all that, which is like “biting the hand that feeds you.”

A clue to the writer’s justification of generous compensation for government employees is her belief that public workers are better educated and qualified. That is patently false, as well as arrogant. I remember a recent report about an assistant to the county engineer making $90,000 a year who has no degree and no college training at all. Nobody in the private sector so ill-qualified could make out like that. In any event, her attitude mirrors those of the government employees who are hysterical over SB 5. They apparently think they deserve better pay, benefits and pensions than those of us who earn a living in the private sector — the “real economy.” They actually believe they’re better than those of us whose taxes pay their overly-generous compensation. Thanks to such arrogance and spoiled public employee unions opposing SB 5, I doubt if I will ever vote for a tax levy again.

By the way, I applaud the local chamber of commerce for publicly endorsing SB 5. It’s about time someone in the public sphere from this area stood up for what’s right.

James Dunlap, Mineral Ridge


Comments

1Attis(922 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Sheer propaganda which would make Goebbels smile based upon its ignorance, arrogance and the Big Lie tactic. Not to worry, We The People are not as dumb as these prostituted voices for Kasick and Wall Street think. SB5 will suffer a well-deserved resounding defeat at the polls, the beginning of an American revival of democracy.

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2Philo(99 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Great letter James. I couldn't agree with you more. Anyone who thinks SB 5 will be overturned is incredibly naive. If every public employee in the state, all 350,000 of them, and their parents voted to overturn it, the taxpaying public still far outnumbers them. Furthermore, when the television ads start running, (and they will start running), and the taxpayers hear of some of the highlighted cases of how private sector employees and unions have pillaged the taxpayer, SB 5 doesn't have a chance of being overturned. Actually, it's a shame because there probably are some good public sector employees who try to do a good job and put in an honest days work. Unfortunately, they will be vastly overshadowed by the greedy abusers of the system and the corrupt unions. I for one will donate to any organization who supports SB 5. I'm sure I'll eventually make it up in what I save in taxes.

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3marianne(66 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Great article and so right on! As a former public worker with a daughter who now works in public employment, I know firsthand that there has to be limits on these union contracts! No one has the money for pie in the sky benefits for public workers! We all have to take the hit. Unions keep saying they are making concessions but the concessions aren't enough. Police, fire and teachers should get good pay. They do! They should have the right to negotiate their wages. They do! But the luxury benefit plans have to stop. Remember, when we public workers retire under PERS, you don't get a better retirement plan. That should be taken into account.

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4unhappyvoter1(87 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

WELL, THEN WHY DOES MY PERS RETIREMENT SUCK? PLUS I GOT LAID OFF SO OTHER (more important people could get a raise) ADMINISTRATIVE WORKERS. WAKE UP PEOPLE YOUR LINE STAFF IS NOT MAKING THE MONEY. ITS THE HIGHER UPS. WE COULD HIGHER 3 PEOPLE THAT DO THE WORK OF ONE TO MANY ADMINISRATIVE WORKER'S THAT DOES NOTHING BUT DECIDES WHO GETS LAID OFF. SICK OF ALL OF THIS COUNTY AND CITY S- - T.

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5Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

The special ones deserve special treatment . Austerity is only for the little people .

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6apollo(1227 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Boardman Fire department salaries, 2009.

Rosky 95,000
Joe Romeo 92,300
Pat Romeo 80,600
Wolfe 82,800
Drummond 87,700
D'Apolito 82,500
Barber 79,700
Donadee 76,000
Houser 78,100
Jordan 83,300
Kloes 87,800
Manley 91,200
Reader 80,000
Terlecki 81,200
Yocum 80,200

Pretty certain the private sector high school grads aren't making those kind of numbers.

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7grand4dad(197 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Why in the h*** should private sector high school grads make these kinds of numbers??? Are they risking their lives running into burning buildings and doing all the other same kinds of duties that fire personnel do?? NO!
appolo, please explain. I can't see any logic to your point.

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8apollo(1227 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

How many Boardman firemen have run into a fire to save anyone, there are no fires in Boardman. Fireman and Policeman isn't even in the top 10 most dangerous professions and certainly not in Boardman which has little violent crime and no fires.

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9grand4dad(197 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

OK, you heard it! appolo decleares there
are NO fires in Boardman and little violent crime. Why do we even need police or fire??? We don't! Let's just call apollo if we have a problem!

We certainly don't need any greedy, lazy, public employees to do anythng for us. I'm sure apollo won't mind if we ask him to do it all.

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10apollo(1227 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Boardman has few fires and little violent crime. Even the police themselves have said they spend most of their time at various retail establishments, hunting down those pesky shoplifters.

The reason Boardman firemen can respond to fender benders so quickly is because they have no fires to fight and are just sitting at the fire house bashing me and waiting for that minor accident call.

Those are the facts. And they make wages, benefits, and perks far better than most in the private sector.

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11farmforfun(15 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Does anyone remember US Steel, Youngstown Sheet and Tube, or Who the "Big Three" in the auto industry was. We showed them who was boss! Do it our way or we'll go on strike! Well look where it got us. We may not like where we're heading. But we will change one way or the other. It's amazing how much union support the teachers are receiving, However drive thru the staff parking lot at you local school and look at all the foreign vehicles. It's no wonder companies are taking their business to Right to work States or out of this country completely. You may want to blame the Governer but this problem began many years ago.

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12borylie(832 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

The unions and Obama are keeping Boeing from putting a plant in South Carolina,a non-union plant. This in case the Washington State plant has a strike,they can't afford to shut down.

Mind you it's not putting a plant in another country,but in the USA.

The unions are calling for all union members to not vacation in Florida for some reason or another.

The unions boss their minions around like Muslims do their ladies.

I'm real glad I never had a union think for me and run my life. Followers.

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13bigwheel(12 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Folks, you get what you pay for. Start paying teachers fresh out of college $15,000 a year. See what kind of education YOUR child receives. If you want firemen and police to make $20,000 a year, see what kind of services you get. You buy tools at dollar general as opposed to home depot you will notice the difference. Remember, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR...

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14Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Boardman which has little violent crime
That is a lie and you know it . If you do not like paying your tax money for safety OK that is your right and you can vote that way . But it is not your right to lie about it .

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15Askmeificare(711 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

@ apollo:

Please, in comment # 11, where did you get these figures from?

Thanks.

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16ytown1(392 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

You could go here:

http://www.vindy.com/government-watch...

or http://boardmanfacts.com/Links.php

it is as simple as that.

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17FormerYtowner(96 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

I was not going to make a comment but I feel I have to. My cousin works for the state, and we have had conversations about SB5. Remember, state workers pay taxes too. Second, the agency he works in HAS taken pay freezes and other concessions along with health care premiums rising and their income staying the same. I am not trying to start a pissing contest here. I do believe there is a disconnect between the public sector and the private sector. All I am trying to say is find a state worker and actually talk to and listen to them, and maybe some points of view will be made clearer. Thanks.

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18ytown1(392 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Former, have you not browsed the available links above at all?

Most of the salaries are above and beyond what most average private sector taxpayers are here in the valley.

So I guess I do not have to talk to your cousin now would I? I have also visited the site http://www.buckeyeinstitute.org also and was astonished to what most of the employees compensation was with the benefit packages also costing the taxpayers an additional 30% or more.

Do some research before you decide to comment again. Do ou know that most of these contracts may have agreed to freeze salaries, but still hand out step increases, and even hand out promotions that mean absolutely nothing just so raises can be given out. Better yet, all of the outlandish perks like accumulated vacation and sick days were also handed out in place of the wage freezes. You speak of concessions, and most concessions I hear of are a small percentage more for Insurance but I never hear of the Copay's being increased. Some even pay a "0" Copay.

One story played out when the union agreed to increase their copay's and insurance contributions, they were then given signing bonuses to make up for the additional costs they would incur during the given contract. These are the reasons for SB, I am sure there are many more examples, I am only scratching the surface I am sure. These public employees do not want anyone to know of these things, that is why we need the Vindy to have this Government Watch to assist in educating the taxpayers to the truth, no smoke and mirrors.

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19HowlandCitizen(34 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

I am related to a state worker. She took a pay freeze, and was not allowed to get a step increase during the 3 year span in which the pay freeze went into effect. She pays 25% of her health care premiums, and has a typical 80/20 plan similar to those found in private industry. The one benefit of her plan is no lifetime max, which became standard last year for Ohio public employees and will be standard in the next couple years nationally, for everyone.

I do agree that some teachers salaries are absurd (when the Gym teacher is the highest paid teacher at Warren Harding, there's something wrong with the pay scale). One would think that Science and Math teachers should be paid more? Their health care premiums need to be normalized to what the private sector pays as well (or even what other public employees pay). These people are not our enemies though. Our government mismanaged our money for years, stole from Social Security, reinstated slavery (by passing unfair trade agreements like NAFTA), and spent an outrageous amount of money putting us deep in debt.... and now they're trying to blame middle class citizens for the mess they created. The sad thing is, most people just eat this crap up.

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20apollo(1227 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

@askmeificare

They are directly from the township. 2009 wages.

On my website and on the Vindy website.

www.boardmanfacts.com

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21apollo(1227 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Hey freeatlast, there are ZERO murders and few rapes in Boardman. Most of the crime is property and much of it at the retail establishments. The cops themselves said so a month or so ago. So we are paying the cops about $130,000 per officer including benefits to be mall guards???

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22VINDYAK(1799 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

When the wages of public servants become greater than the wages of those they serve and those public servants begin to talk down to citizens and taxpayers as if they are actually the servants, then it is time to reconsider the program.

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232muchtax(418 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Police, Fire and teachers are very well paid and the benefits are even better. Retirement after 30yrs is unsustainable The teacher I looked at makes 55.00 an hour plus benefits. Police and fire making huge money mostly with high school diploma's and how many of the public employees do we now know that are on disability. SB5 has been needed for along time.

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