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Economy, state cuts push Poland, Canfield schools to ballot



Published: Sun, April 17, 2011 @ 3:56 a.m.

Administrators of Poland and Canfield schools say they have tried to slash budgets in the wake of a down economy and with cutbacks in state funding, but say they have no choice but to ask for more local taxpayer money.

Both districts are seeking renewal and emergency levies on the May 3 primary ballot.

One issue surrounding both Canfield and Poland is that they receive some of the lowest percentages of state funding in the county, and that number continues to shrink as details of Gov. John Kasich’s budget become clearer.

Overall, both Poland, which has about a $24 million annual budget, and Canfield, at $26 million, stand to lose about $1 million and

$1.2 million in state funding, respectively.

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1dreamcatcher52(140 comments)posted 3 years, 4 months ago

I am a big supporter of the schools, and I am having a hard time with this. I don't want to vote against the schools, yet I don't see how I can vote yes to raise my own taxes when they are already so high.

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2spinman(70 comments)posted 3 years, 4 months ago

Dreamcatcher52 - the schools need to make cuts before going to taxpayers. If they woulld increase their health care contribution to 15% co pay, and have teachers contribute more to their STRS and have administrators contribute to STRS (currently receive 24% with no contributions then there would be no need for a levy.This is what SB5 is going after. The state can no longer afford supplementing these unbelievable benefits and pensions. And neither can the local taxpayers.

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3samIam(213 comments)posted 3 years, 4 months ago

The taxpayers must resoundingly vote against any new monies for these "tax and spenders". Where are the 'across the board wage reductions?" We knew how to give ourselves "across the board wage increases" every single year for decades did we not? Everyone in these school systems must now take a wage and benefit package reduction. Especially the principals, teachers, bus drivers, custodial workers all the way to the cafeteria workers. EVERYONE! A little pain is actually good for one's character. The party is over and it's time to leave if you don't like the realities.

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4Photoman(1000 comments)posted 3 years, 4 months ago

The educational system has become like one of our little children---they demand, they cajole, they whine, they beg, etc. They are almost certain that we will, as we have in the past, give in to almost anything they demand. They are totally unfamiliar with the word, "Austerity". We, as parents/voters must teach them.

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52muchtax(312 comments)posted 3 years, 4 months ago

I want teachers to make a good living,, but 75k a year for 9 months at 7.25 hrs a day is more than enough. The biggest problem is the benefits. A million dollar golden retirement after only 30yrs is unsustainable for the taxpayers. Retiring in your 50's at 50 to 60000 a year is unsustainable. It is already underfunded. Everyone should be put in social security. No special treatment for public unions. SB5 was needed to try and make it more fair to the private sector

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6watchingthepolitics(97 comments)posted 3 years, 4 months ago

I think many of the taxpayers in Canfield would like to support the school levies, but the Administration is trying to justitify the school levies by eliminating the people who are actually doing the work,ie: teachers, janitors and other support personnel. Perhaps the School Board should take a long hard look at themselves, and hopefully they will come to realize that they are top heavy with Administrators. They should be taking on added responsibility in order to eliminate some of the wasteful positions at the top. Exactly how many assisstants does the Canfield Superintendent REALLY need, I believe the current number is three. Take a good look in the mirror and when the Superintendent can be honest with himself then and only then can he be honest with the taxpayers in Canfield, and then maybe just maybe the levies will pass.

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7repeaters(197 comments)posted 3 years, 4 months ago

Poland: Dividing $24,000,000.00 by $8,300.00 = 2892 students?

Canfield: Dividing $26,000,000.00 by $8,300.00 = 3133 students?

VOTE TILL YOUR BROKE !!!!

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8sue(170 comments)posted 3 years, 4 months ago

I think Poland and Canfield run their school districts efficiently. Both levies, however, should be defeated. Teachers must agree to pay more toward their pensions and healthcare. In their next contract negotiation they should also agree to a multi-year pay freeze. Once these concessions have been made, then come back to the taxpayers. This is not about punishing teachers. They perform a vital service. This is simply about recognizing that those of us in the private sector have struggled mightily over the last five years. We simply have no more money to give.

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9spinman(70 comments)posted 3 years, 4 months ago

Everybody keeps talking about what the teachers make and contribute. What about what the administrators make. They contribute nothing to their pensions. How would you like to get 24% on top of your salary. This is an outdry. There is not enough dialogue on this topic. Most voters do not realize this. This must be addressed before I vote in favor of a levy. This has nothing to do with the kids.

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10Robert_Neville(119 comments)posted 3 years, 4 months ago

This is the reason that the United States is falling on the Education Ladder. The State has made cuts to ensure that the local children do not get jobs. We need to take this to Columbus and tell Governor Kasich that we can not support what he is asking us to do. We expect the best in America! Well, I think that we should start expecting the worst for now on.

I want to see all Elected people take a pay cut too. I have taken them now it is time for them to take one too. I have taken over 50,000 dollars and lost my retirement. I think that it is fair that they take a cut too.

It is all because of SB5! I work in the Private Sector and I have never see the money like Ohio Governor Kasich is taking about. Down with SB5.

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11anthonyjames(17 comments)posted 3 years, 4 months ago

I agree that there needs to be cuts made by the administration and the teachers. A pay freeze is NOT a cut. Its time for these teachers and administrators to start paying a fair share for insurance benefits. 15% does not cut it. Before they even looked for concessions they hurt kids knowing that it will help their cause. I think the employees need to step up before you stop cutting busing and hurting kids to get what you want. VOTE NO

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12samIam(213 comments)posted 3 years, 4 months ago

{Poland schools stall in releasing public records on salaries}
Wow some headlines! I would stall too if I were they. The pillaging must stop. It is time for Zorn to go now and take his high priced EDUCATORS with him. Actually the private sector taxpayers have been getting very EDUCATED lately.

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13watchingthepolitics(97 comments)posted 3 years, 4 months ago

The Administrators should lead by example and not by " the do as I say not as I do" theory. The Canfield School Administration should admit to themselves and to the community that they are top heavy with Administrators and Assisstants and take appropriate steps to correct the problems facing the school district.

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14TheLostPatrol(755 comments)posted 3 years, 4 months ago

The odds of seeing gasoline wars at .99 cents per gallon in the next two weeks are better than either of these levies getting passed.

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15dubfun(174 comments)posted 3 years, 4 months ago

Thank you, Gov. Kasich! Thanks to your cuts in the state budget, you are now putting a larger burden on the taxpayer through more taxes and levies at the local level. Is this the Repubican way? More taxes? The education system in our country is falling behind the rest of the industrialized countries in the world and everybody says that school districts should make sacrifices. A strong education system is the cornerstone for building a better society. The same people that won't vote to support their local schools are the same people that will complain when their children can no longer ride a bus to school, play sports or take advantage of art, music or advanced placement classes. Thank you Mr. Kasich. Many people that voted for you have already realized that they made a mistake. You will be a one term governor. I just hope that the next governor will be able to clean up your mess.

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16youngspartanrepublican(92 comments)posted 3 years, 4 months ago

Dubfun, you're wrong. Local governments/school districts should be doing more with less. I love when people make all of these arguments about a strong school system/property values, etc. It's all BS. Nothing will make suburban school systems like Canfield, Poland, Boardman, etc except the kids themselves. Look at the district ratings, they pretty much follow demographics for the area. Canfield and Poland at the top, Boardman slightly behind, Austintown a bit further back. Good parents produce good students, not high taxes. These school districts could easily be cutting places in addition to the administration. Pay to play, etc are all viable options. All of these extra things are privileges, not rights. The article about college classes in high school the other day showed this. Currently, Poland pays the costs for its students, something that is totally unnecessary! I went to Boardman and we paid for our dual enrollment classes/AP's. Guess what, we had more AP classes (my Poland friends admitted their jealousy)! In terms of music, 3 award winning orchestras on top of the usual band/chorus. Usually Boardman isn't good with its money, but Canfield and Poland schools' habits of asking for all these levies right now makes Boardman look like the ultimate fiscal conservatives. Plus Boardman is losing more state funding than either Canfield and Poland and they haven't asked for a levy yet. All indications are that they would do cuts in areas before asking for a levy. They learned their lesson after the bond issue 4 years ago. Besides, most of us kids drove to school when we were in high school anyways. No bussing really won't be a big deal.

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17Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 3 years, 4 months ago

WOW I thought this will only hit the Blacks and Ytown . This is not right . We are white .

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18commoncitizen(961 comments)posted 3 years, 4 months ago

Vote YES on RENEWALS and NO on any new levies.

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19uphillbattle(14 comments)posted 3 years, 4 months ago

Teachers make less $ than people in the private sector and have been feeling the economic crunch just like everyone else. The beginning salary for a teacher in the school you keep bashing is $33,532 while in the private sector someone with a bachelors would enter in right around $38,000 (some sources say as high as $48,000) After twenty years of service a private sector employee with a bachelors degree is earning around $78,925. The teacher in the school system you are bashing with a bachelors degree after 20 years? Around $57,425. Of course we all know that many of these teachers have a masters degree, costing around $16,000. And by the way, the cost of this REQUIRED degree has gone up 60% over a ten year period. Even with the required masters these teachers STILL earn less at 20 years, about $13,000 than a private worker with a bachelors alone. Find out the facts people and vote for them. You act like these teachers are getting rich at these jobs, they are not. They struggle to pay bills and send kids to college like everyone else- BUT they produce excellent students consistently.

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20uphillbattle(14 comments)posted 3 years, 4 months ago

Teachers make less $ than people in the private sector and have been feeling the economic crunch just like everyone else. The beginning salary for a teacher in the school you keep bashing is $33,532 while in the private sector someone with a bachelors would enter in right around $38,000 (some sources say as high as $48,000) After twenty years of service a private sector employee with a bachelors degree is earning around $78,925. The teacher in the school system you are bashing with a bachelors degree after 20 years? Around $57,425. Of course we all know that many of these teachers have a masters degree, costing around $16,000. And by the way, the cost of this REQUIRED degree has gone up 60% over a ten year period. Even with the required masters these teachers STILL earn less at 20 years, about $13,000 than a private worker with a bachelors alone. Find out the facts people and vote for them. You act like these teachers are getting rich at these jobs, they are not. They struggle to pay bills and send kids to college like everyone else. BUT they produce excellent students consistantly. You know what else? A high school graduate makes around $30,000 as an entry level salary. Isn't an education worth something?

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