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Puzzling Problem

Published: Sun, April 3, 2011 @ 12:00 a.m.


The county has 1,735 employees and 17 labor contracts. Of the 17 bargaining units, six are now engaged in negotiations.

By Peter H. Milliken



Ohio Senate Bill 5, which would restrict collective-bargaining rights of 350,000 public employees, has added to the uncertainty in Mahoning County’s labor negotiations.

But the new law isn’t the only measure playing a factor in talks with many of the county’s 17 collective-bargaining units.

The cumulative $40 million general-fund shortfall over 10 years of on-again, off-again sales taxes ending in 2005 prevented the county from establishing a rainy-day fund. It also forced the county to borrow more money than would have been necessary, said John A. McNally IV, chairman of the county commissioners, who took office in 2005.

There’s also the local, state and national economy to contend with, and that will make negotiations a little harder.

“We’re also just battling with the past four or five years and the recession across the country that’s also causing us a lot of financial concerns,” McNally said.

Internal issues also are at play.

The county does not have a human resources director to coordinate the county’s side of the bargaining table, perhaps to seek common savings as each deal is worked out. Instead, individual department heads negotiate a deal, normally with the help of an attorney or law firm.

And commissioners fired the Columbus-based Downes, Fishel, Hass and Kim law firm March 10 because county workers complained that the firm was too involved in the creation of SB 5.

On the labor-union side of the bargaining table, there’s pressure, too: Public employees want to complete contract talks before SB 5 takes effect, said Sam Prosser, president of Teamsters Local 377.

“That grandfathers them in,” and protects the negotiated terms for the duration of the contract, he said.


The passage of a referendum to make permanent a half-percent sales tax in May 2007 assured the ongoing availability of $14 million annually in revenue to the county’s general fund. In fact, after a salary analysis, hundreds of raises to county workers were awarded; 91 of them exceeded 20 percent or more.

The lush times would be short-lived.

In 2008, every major source of general-fund revenue — sales and property-tax revenue, state funding and investment income — went into in a recession-induced tailspin as unemployment rose in the Mahoning Valley.

Last year, the federal government stopped housing federal prisoners in the county jail, and Youngstown stopped paying for its prisoners. Combined income to the county from prisoners paid for by the federal and city governments fell from $4.31 million in 2008 to $2.96 million in 2009 to $634,900 in 2010.

After 17 consecutive months of decline compared to the same month in the previous year, sales- tax revenues began to recover in April 2010, McNally said. “We’re not out of the woods by any chance, but we’re starting to get a little bit better,” he added.

Now, in the austere budget proposed by Gov. John Kasich, the county faces a loss of $1.2 million in state revenue to its general fund in the state fiscal year that will begin July 1. It could lose between $1.2 million and $2.4 million in the next fiscal year, depending how budget language is interpreted, McNally said.

The general-fund budget for this calendar year is $50.98 million, down 1.4 percent from $51.72 million in 2010.

“We see the erosion of the tax base in terms of ever-increasing foreclosures and vacant properties throughout the county,” McNally said, referring to real estate taxes. Increased unemployment puts a further burden on the tax base, he added.

The impact, however, isn’t limited to the general fund, which is the county’s main operating fund supporting the courts, jail and many other central government functions.

The county engineer’s office saw a $1.5 million revenue loss because of declining income from gasoline taxes and license-plate fees between 2008 and 2009, from which it still hasn’t recovered, said Marilyn Kenner, chief deputy county engineer.


Under these circumstances, it’s important for the county to seek every reasonable cost saving it can in labor negotiations, said county Auditor Michael V. Sciortino.

“What you have here is, I think, the great awakening, with the state of the economy, the state of Ohio, with its collective-bargaining issues,” he added.

The county has 1,735 employees and 17 labor contracts. Of the 17 bargaining units, six are engaged in negotiations.

For departments under commissioners’ control, “it would seem to make sense” that personnel policies and labor-negotiation matters be standardized, said Frances Lesser, executive director of the County Auditors’ Association of Ohio.

She added, however, “The commissioners have the budgetary control.”

In fact, the commissioners recently docked the budget of County Prosecutor Paul J. Gains $100,000 after expressing their displeasure with $220,000 in pay raises he gave in varying amounts to all 32 of his assistant prosecutors, who are not unionized.

McNally said he favors a more-unified approach to labor negotiations and to pay and benefits for county employees. He added the administration has a standard set of goals for all county departments in this year’s labor negotiations covering wages, health care, pension contributions and overtime reductions. He declined to disclose them publicly.

McNally noted that coun- ty employees have agreed to major concessions, including unpaid days off, due to recession-induced declines in county revenue.

Many of the county’s labor-union members have been working under terms of long-expired contracts, McNally noted. Looming state-funding cuts are “driving us back to the table” now, he added. “Our goal is not to lay off people. Our goal is to save money,” and provide the best possible services to county residents, he said.


Commissioners are evaluating applications for the human resources director. They received 47 applications for that job by the March 11 deadline, and 18 applicants will be interviewed by commissioners Thursday and Friday.

McNally said he hopes the commissioners can vote by mid-April to hire the new HR director and that the new director can start work by mid-May.

“My first goal right now is to get a highly skilled and competent HR director in here ... so that some of these issues that we’re paying outside folks to do can be done in house,” McNally said. The county’s last HR director, Susan Quimby, resigned May 30, 2009.

Although all county labor-union contracts come before commissioners for approval, the commissioners can’t dictate the salaries paid to nonunion workers in county departments they don’t control, such as the courts, McNally noted.

Also, Ohio law says county commissioners may establish a personnel department, and that any elected official, board or agency of the county may elect to use that department’s facilities and services, but cannot be compelled to do so.

The county also has hired a management-consulting firm to replace the Downes law firm.

McNally said Clemans-Nelson & Associates personnel management consultants of Akron and Columbus will assist the county in labor talks at its Department of Job and Family Services and in the engineer’s and sanitary engineer’s offices.


Prosser’s union — Teamsters Local 377 — represents employees of the county treasurer’s office, drivers and mechanics in the county engineer’s office, and supervisors and lawyers in the county’s Child Support Enforcement Agency.

Prosser said labor unions “have to be more united.”

SB 5 is an attack on unions in the public sector, but the effort to weaken unions won’t end there, he said. “It’ll move on to the private sector, and, before you know it, there’ll be no middle class,” Prosser said.

In current negotiations with the engineer’s office, Prosser said his goals are to get eight laid-off Teamsters back to work and to get the bargaining unit under contract before SB 5 takes effect.

Kenner said the county engineer’s department plans no further layoffs this year and would like to have the workers back.

“Our agenda, so to speak, is to work with the union to reduce our costs through [changes in] some of their benefits,” Kenner said.

For example, instead of the current $150 annual cash allowance for boots and $500 for clothing, Kenner said she’ll propose that her office issue uniforms and boots to the employees for an estimated savings of $80,000 to $100,000 a year.

Prosser was noncommittal about the union’s response to that proposal. “That’s all up for negotiations,” he said.

Some of those who used to get the allowance were clerical workers who never left the office.


Also in negotiations is the sanitary engineering department, where members of an independent labor union have continued to work under terms of a contract that expired March 31, 2010.

In that office, Bill Coleman, office manager, said a key management goal is “to see how we can incorporate technology in our operations to maximize the performance of the employees.” Coleman said, however, his office is not seeking to use technology to reduce staff.

In the sanitary engineer’s office, John Michaels, union president, blamed the lack of progress in negotiations on what he said was a deliberate stalling strategy by the Downes law firm.

Coleman said, however, the talks were delayed by a study of the office’s finances and that negotiations are expected to resume within the next two weeks with management using Clemans-Nelson.

In the sheriff’s department, the 266-member Fraternal Order of Police Lodge 141, which represents deputies, ranking officers and civilian employees, has a contract expiring June 30, 2013.

Although it is not now negotiating, eight articles in its contract, including wages, promotions and vacations, are subject to reopener at the end of this year.

Sgt. Thomas J. Assion, lodge president, said his union, which has given back though concessions about 27 percent of its pay and benefits since 2008, doesn’t expect to change its approach to negotiations.

“We realize the economic situation of this country, of this state and of the county,” Assion said. He said his goal will be to “negotiate terms that will allow the maximum amount of employees to stay working and to keep the maximum amount of jail-bed space open.”

Currently, 190 of 602 county jail beds are closed, and 48 deputies are laid off.

Retirements and resignations have reduced the sheriff’s staff by an additional 36 people since March 1, 2010, said chief Deputy James Lewandowski. None was replaced, he noted.


One aspect of SB 5 that Assion finds disturbing is that, under his interpretation of the bill, it would deprive all supervisors, including ranking law-enforcement officers, of all their collective-bargaining rights.

Lodge 141’s gold unit represents sergeants, lieutenants and captains.

“There will likely be a significant number of additional retirements in the rank and the file this calendar year,” due to the changes that would be induced by SB 5 and by other proposed legislation on pension reforms, Lewandowski said.

“Though we perform actions on behalf of management, we do have our own issues that are labor-related,” Assion said of supervisors.

“We have working conditions that we take issue with [such as shift times and training, equipment and staffing levels], and the only place that we’re able to discuss those is at the negotiating table,” Assion added.

McNally said he doesn’t know what impact SB 5 will have before it takes effect — or after. The governor signed the bill into law Thursday.

“I don’t know how that [new law] is going to affect our bargaining long-term because I expect that ... it’s also going to be put on as a referendum,” for a public vote, he said.


1UnionForever(1470 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

The county should just ignore the demands of these public employee unions and let SB5 go into effect. There is no reason to negotiate now with the unions when you can impose the solutions later under SB5. Make them pay the max defined under SB5 for their golden pension plans and cadillac healthcare plans. They can't strike or they be fired so the county now holds all the cards. The middle class taxpayer is the clear winner here if the county just follows the new 2011 Ohio Collective Bargaining Bill.

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2Philo(99 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Why would school boards or county administrators negotiate anything right now? Once SB 5 goes into effect, and it will go into effect, the taxpayers will reap the rewards. Any administrator that agrees to negotiate now is no friend of the public or the taxpayers and should be held accountable for his or her actions at election time.

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3Photoman(1248 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

We certainly can't blame the unions for wanting to negotiate now. At this point in time they still have control of many of our weak-kneed administrators and department heads who, if SB5 is implemented, will have this burden(for which most are totally incapable of handling) removed from their shoulders and the unions will have to face a more qualified negotiator.

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4Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

It sounds like some right wing freaks go to bed every night and have wet dreams of hurting the workers and little guys who will stand up for his or her rights. But remember the pendulum will swing back to the good side . And away from evil,

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5RubyGirl(22 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

I am a county employee who would like to share some facts that people may not be aware of. I graduated from YSU, paid my own way, and got hired by the County without any connections. I have worked from 8 until 4:30 Monday through Friday for 19 years. I clock in and out when I come and go and for my 30 minute lunch. When I take time off, I use my sick or vacation time. I am a union member and have not had a raise – not even a cost of living – for five years. My health insurance copay has gone up and my PERS contributions have too. I am not complaining about these facts – I live in this County and know full well the state of economy. Concessions must be made. And while even I must agree that there are some overpaid County employees – mostly in management - not all of us are. So while I am grateful for the wonderful things about my job, I work hard for my money like many other County employees and pay the same taxes that private sector employees do. I just want people to know that there are hard working County employees making an average wage and making concessions.

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6ytown1(398 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

I applaud you RubyGirl for your successes, I only want to question the amounts of your co-pays and the percentage you pay for your insurance in comparison to the private sector counter parts?

I find it odd that nobody wants to divulge that information though? I also know you do not pay anywhere near the 23-24% as most do and I even know some who pay almost half of their health insurance, with deductibles hovering to over $2500 for individual out of pocket on up to $5000 for family policies per year. Doctor visit deductibles are going up also, are you paying the $20-$40 like thee rest of us? I didn't think so. I will remind you that the average worker for the county does not make as little as the average taxpayer either, so consider yourself making better than average wages too. I hate to tell you that more concessions are in order to keep the tax levies off of the ballots.

Can we discuss the PERS contributions while we are at it, are you like most that do not pay anything into the retirement funds, as this is one of the pick up items?
If we have a pick up or what most private sector employers provide is a match to a contributions to their 40K and that usually is a modest 3-5%, not 14-24% that most public employees get.

I also need to remind you of the accumulated vacation and sick days perk is something that also needs addressing while we are at it. We just cannot afford that either.

So yes you should feel grateful for what you have, because the average or as I would say, most in the private sector do not have anything that your average provides, not even close.

It is not that we hate you or your fellow public workers we do not understand how we can provide such largess when we just do not have anything close to what you are getting from the taxpayers and every time we turn around we are being asked for more.

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7RubyGirl(22 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

First of all, ytown, thanks for not bashing me. The things you bring up are exactly the things I am thankful for - a modest copay and partial PERS pickup. They are also the things that will most likely be changing in our next contract. So not only are we not asking for more, we expect a continued pay freeze, increased copays and PERS contributions. Again, a sign of the times and no surprise to anyone.

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8Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

With all of the hoopla over Ohio Senate Bill 5 and negotiating the big question remains . Who negotiates for the taxpayers ? At election time far too many have short memories and have forgotten where the financial pain was coming from . Get the scorecard ready and lets do a clean sweep at election time ! After all it your money since you earned it but they want to take it all now !

For those who champion others liberty to tax more of less show your support and get one today !


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9ytown1(398 comments)posted 5 years, 3 months ago

Yes RubyGirl, these are the times we live in, do you know most self employed business owners had their health insurance go up over 30% this year alone? We chose to only pay a 19% increase but we had to increase doctors visit co-pays to $25.00, Emergency Room deductible is now $500.00, and the per person out of pocket is now $2500.00 per person for a 3 person total of $7500.00 per year.

I know of no one in the public employment that had to make those decisions, do you?

And yes we are grateful to still be in business like you are to be employed, but we do not see the past economies coming back anytime soon, and there has been a lot of concessions on the part of us owners and the employees we appreciate every day. Have a nice day.

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