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The cult of Clinton



Published: Wed, October 27, 2010 @ 12:01 a.m.

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Sue Watson of Rogers shows off her dancing-and-singing Bill Clinton doll as she waits outside the Mahoning County Democratic Party headquarters in Youngstown for free tickets to a Saturday breakfast gathering with the former president.

By DAVID SKOLNICK

skolnick@vindy.com

YOUNGSTOWN

Former President Bill Clinton left the White House in January 2001, but nearly a decade later, he is a popular figure with Mahoning Valley Democrats.

About 300 people lined up Tuesday outside Mahoning County Democratic Party headquarters, 3321 Mahoning Ave., for the chance to get free tickets to Saturday’s breakfast with the former president.

The doors didn’t open till 10 a.m., but the first people in line showed up

between 5 and 5:30 a.m. to make sure they received tickets.

“I’ve never had the privilege to see him,” said Leah Sabo of Austintown, the first person in line. “I’m thrilled to have an opportunity to see President Clinton.”

Rose Halligan of Lisbon, the third person in line, said: “I’d come out at any time for Bill Clinton. He was one of the best presidents ever. He was for the

people — and still is.”

Sue Watson of Rogers, No. 4 in line, said of Clinton: “I love him. I really do. I think he’s for the people and always has been. I said that one day I’d meet Mr. Clinton, but I never thought it would happen.”

Clinton is the most popular political

figure in the Democratic-dominated Mahoning Valley, said Paul Sracic, chairman of Youngstown State University’s political-science department, and Bill Binning, former head of the department.

“He’s the best man to bring to the

Valley for the Democrats,” Binning said. “They like Clinton here.”

Sracic said Clinton is popular in the Valley “because he’s very good with blue-collar voters. Bill Clinton is the best politician in the country.”

Sracic said Clinton is “so skillful at connecting with voters. He knows how to adjust to his crowd. The problem with President [Barack] Obama or other candidates is they speak at an audience and [Clinton] speaks with an audience.”

Clinton will speak at the Mahoning County Democratic Party’s pre-Election Day breakfast between 9:30 and 11 a.m. Saturday at Mr. Anthony’s on South Avenue in Boardman.

Clinton is expected to arrive at 10 a.m., deliver a brief speech, and then make campaign stops in Massillon and Columbus later Saturday. Those with tickets to Mr. Anthony’s should arrive by 8:30 a.m. Also, except for small purses, no bags are permitted inside.

While Clinton will urge voters to support all Democrats, he’ll focus on Gov. Ted Strickland at the Boardman breakfast. Strickland and Yvette McGee Brown, his lieutenant governor running mate, will be at the event.

About 350 free tickets were available Tuesday at Democratic headquarters. They were gone in about 45 minutes. About 100 people who waited for the tickets left without them.

“I’m not mad; I’m just very disappointed,” said Terry Logorda of Youngstown, who was among those who waited for tickets but didn’t get any. “It’s not fair. I’m a diehard Democrat.”

Mr. Anthony’s holds about 1,100 to 1,200.

Most of the tickets were given to Democratic officeholders and candidates as well as precinct committee members and campaign volunteers. More tickets may be available Friday if some of those given out before Tuesday’s public distribution are returned to Democratic headquarters.

“If I had it at a venue to hold 3,000, we’d have 3,000 in attendance,” said Mahoning County Democratic Party Chairman David Betras. “But with the inclement weather, we can’t do it outside. Bill Clinton has huge star power.”

Sracic said Clinton’s popularity in the Valley is “ironic” because the former president “championed” the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), which many local labor officials say damaged the local economy.

“They forgive him and overlook many of” his decisions, Binning added. “The Clinton years were peace and prosperity. You remember the good things, and the bad things disappear.”

Clinton also will campaign Thursday morning in Erie, Pa., at that city’s international airport’s hangar 1, for freshman U.S. Rep. Kathy Dahlkemper of Erie, Pa., D-3rd. Polls show Dahlkemper trailing Mike Kelly of Butler, Pa., her Republican challenger. That district includes a portion of Mercer County.

The venue can hold 350 to 400 people with admission on a first-come, first-served basis. The doors open at

9 a.m.

On Saturday, U.S. House Minority Leader John Boehner, who’ll likely be speaker of the House if Republicans gain control of that legislative body, will campaign at 3 p.m. at the Spread Eagle Tavern in Hanoverton for Bill Johnson, the Republican nominee in the 6th Congressional District.

The race between Johnson and U.S. Rep. Charlie Wilson, the Democratic incumbent, is considered too close to call.

“We intend to give this rally our all and hopefully charge everybody up enough to push Bill Johnson across the finish line on Election Day,” said Columbiana County Republican Chairman Dave Johnson, who owns the Spread Eagle.


Comments

1Nonsocialist(710 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Did he rape Juanita Broderick? Isn't there compelling evidence he sexually assaulted Kathleen Wiley and Paula Jones? Didn't he lose his law license for commiting perjury and obstructing justice in a civil rights action? Explain to me again how he's admired by anybody?

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2davidjohn(144 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

not sure it is only clinton

you could have 10,000 people

with a free breakfast

like passing out free cheese

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3TylerDurden(367 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

The land that time forgot.

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4author50(1121 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Who is paying for the breakfasts? Nothing is FREE in politics. Davidjohn (although tough on my eyes) is right -- and I urge him/her to attend a Dems 17/6 meeting, which is packed because they have free pizza and wings!

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5walter_sobchak(1979 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Nonsocialist,

Let's be fair to President Clinton and not deal in conjecture. Let's state verifiable facts.
Mr.Clinton, an attorney and an officer of the court, lied while under oath and obstructed justice. (it all depends on what your definiton of "is" is!)

Mr. Clinton, while the POTUS, conducted an illicit sexual affair with Monica Lewinsky in a room off of the oval office where, at a minimum, she performed fellatio on him, leading him to ejaculate on her famous blue dress!

Mr. Clinton, during the same illicit relatonship, inserted his cigar (not a euphemism for penis) into the vagina of Ms. Lewinsky and then inserted it into his mouth.

Mr. Clinton ordered the air strike on a aspirin plant in Africa but, when given the location of Osama Bin Laden, a man who headed terror attacks prior to 9/11, passed on a surgical air strike to take him out.

Yes sir, a fine man, husband, and father that you could certainly be proud of as your President. Try explaining some of these items to your young children.

"Doesn't anybody give a sh!t about the f***in rules?!?"

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6Alexinytown(246 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

What he did in his private life is private. That is not what should be at issue here.

I think there is an issue of a payroll center that was promised to us that was not delivered.

I think there is an issue that he signed NAFTA, the very same piece of legislation that every person under the sun has complained about here, and yet they give him a free pass.

I think there is an issue that he allowed illegal Russian oil dumping in the U.S.

I think there is an issue with his lack of response to a number of terror attacks on our embassies.

Sure, Bill Clinton the person is probably fun, though morally on shaky ground. He plays a pretty good saxophone.

But Bill Clinton the politician and former president? There should be some issues there.

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7lee(544 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Tues morning all the R's are working

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8Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Bill Clinton's putting an income tax on social security benefits and unemployment benefits showed us the way . Now the real black president cutting five hundred billion out of medicare will help the seniors die faster . OBAMACARE shows that Obama cares !

BILL CLINTON IS EVERYONES HERO !

http://www.tienchiu.com/wp-content/ga...

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9walter_sobchak(1979 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

alexinytown,
You do realize that when the President conducts illicit affairs in his private life he can become the target of extortion and blackmail? When you are POTUS, you will be given a pass on your family dealings, but not on this type of stuff. Anyway, the items I enumerated merely reflect on the character of the man.

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10Woody(452 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Maybe they all should have gone to Detroit to see Billy Boy:

www.detnews.com/article/20101027/OPIN...

Could have had a one on one meeting.

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11sue(173 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Ask Clinton why he screwed the Mahoning Valley out of 4000 Defense Accounting Jobs that we would have gotten if Bush 41 had been re-elected. Does everyone forget that fact?

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12candystriper(575 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

typical "off-the rack" politician...

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13mrblue(1060 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

I will never give him a pass on signing NAFTA. Huge Error. It is true that when he left office we had a surplus and a balanced budget. Look at us now. Both parties are to blame for this huge deficit.

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14RobertH(50 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

The main reason Bill looks so good is because of the miserable failure we had for a president after him.
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Yeah, Bill lied about a BJ, Miserable Failure (MF'er for short) lied us into a war.
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But its easier for Mommies and Daddies to explain why we're in an unjustified war which thousands of our people have died and which our grandchildren will pay for, than it is to address 'sex things'.
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Mommies and Daddies are more comfortable talking about killing than discussing Sex ... and that makes Billy such a bad person and the MF'er acceptable ... Sad really.

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15TylerDurden(367 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Take it easy Chuck.

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16Woody(452 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Question is:

Would we have had the surplus and balanced budget if '94 had gone the other way?

The GOP swept into power, Clinton saw the attitude of the country change. He governed more conservatively: "The Era of Big Government is OVER."

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17rocky14(726 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

George Bush and the Neo Conservatives killed and were responsible foe 150,000 men women and children in Iraq---and people are concerned about Clinton getting a BJ ??? Give me a break!

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18rocky14(726 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Thomas53----you sound like a piece of trash out of Youngstown.Ever live in a trailer park?

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19rocky14(726 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Georgie Bush protected Texas from Vietnam during the war.Charlie was never able to attack Texas because of Bush.Thank you!

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20Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Looking up to Bill Clinton requires one to get on their knees !

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21cambridge(3099 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Bill Clinton did indeed avoid the draft.

He was not a federal fugitive was never wanted as a fugitive and never received a pardon from Jimmy Carter.

That was a rumor started by the republicans when Clinton ran for president because those are the tactics they use when they can't get votes using their past performance, logic or the truth to win an election.

The link below from snopes.com provides the facts.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clinto...

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22rocky14(726 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Even though i served 4 years during Nam--i have nothing against those who avoided our lying government what they kept telling us for years about the war.
The same for Iraq.

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23WarrenRicheyKid(167 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

It's always sex that gets the public going. It brings out the hypocrite in all of us, yours truly included.

In my book, Clinton's biggest sin was signing the Republican backed law that ended the Glass-Steagall Act. This is the Depression-era legislation that built a wall between commercial and investment banking. The death of Glass-Steagall has led to the wild gambling in derivatives trading and the bonus orgies sweeping the US banking establishment.

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24valleyred(1100 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

The Mahoning Valley LOVES Clinton.
The Mahoning Valley HATES NAFTA.

Bill Clinton signed NAFTA into law.

Can you say hypocrites?

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25redvert(2099 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

You think that the surplus we had when Clinton left office might of had something to do with the fact that he had a Republican controlled congress the last six years of his presidency. After all, spending bills do originate in congress!!!

Less wasteful spending and you have a surplus! Not rocket science!

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26rocky14(726 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Georgie Bush vetoed ONE spending bill in 8 years. Oh my

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27redvert(2099 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

That is one way to defend Slick, pull the old Lib strategy of when all else fails, just defer to Bush. Not the first time though is it?

By the way, I was not a big fan of George after his second term so try another angle.

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28rocky14(726 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

By the way,I was not a big fan of George after his second term.
He only had 2 terms.So whats your point?

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29sammy09(2 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Let me get this straight: We have already had Barney Frank, now Clinton is coming. Thanks to the 'machine' we have Timmy Ryan and of course Ronny Gerberry. Just more of the same old thing. Vote for us and everything will get better. I've voted for almost 40 years and I can't see that anything has ever gotten better in this Valley. I for one will NEVER again vote for these clowns. Liars and thieves

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30redvert(2099 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

"By the way,I was not a big fan of George after his second term."

"He only had 2 terms.So whats your point?"

That statement was probably a little complicated for you to understand. What that means is that I was not happy with the things that George did in his second term. Ask your kids or grand kids to explain it to you.

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31cambridge(3099 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

The highlights of Bush's first term:

Ignored intelligence that said bin Laden was intent on attacking America, probably with hijacked airplanes.

After bin Laden attacked America and US troops had him trapped Bush let him escape.

Bush invaded Iraq a country that never threatened the US and was no threat to America.

The cost of Bush's two ineptly run wars is now in the 3 trillion dollar neighborhood.

Bush inherited a budget surplus and the formula for paying off the debt turned it down the road on the way to the biggest recession since the great depression.

Bush added his 1.6 trillion dollar tax break, the lions share of which went to the top 3% of American taxpayers, directly to the national debt and the 1.6 trillion has been adding interest to the debt ever since.

That all happened in Bush's four good years.

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32redvert(2099 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

I am sure you will be putting together highlites of obowser's four years. It will have a liberal slant to it of course and we understand that!

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33cambridge(3099 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Obama's first 21 months are in the top right corner of the link below.

http://politifact.com/

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34redvert(2099 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

About normal but don't get too far ahead of yourself!

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35cambridge(3099 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Yankyournoodle....Great post. your video's are some hick with a piece of crap WalMart camera and clips from a movie.

You sure convinced me.

Give my regards to USEless1/Promerkin/ Henery/Hank/Dorthy

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36WarrenRicheyKid(167 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

If you want to count verified dead, the result of a president's involvement, then include the 4,000 US military dead and the 100,000 civilian dead from the Iraq Invasion--Bush's dead.

Your list of Clinton casualities has little credence beyond your own circle.

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37WarrenRicheyKid(167 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Saddam had nothing to do with the 911 terrorists who were Saudis. Even George Bush admitted that, though at the end of his last term.

If you're suggesting that we invade every country where a dictator is slaughtering his own people, where will you get the money and manpower for such a crazed adventure?

Remember too, we supported Saddam for quite a while. Even while he was condemned by the UN.

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38cambridge(3099 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Yankyournoodle......You claim the Clinton's were involved in 52 murders? The Clinton's are serial killers? LOL!

I've got to thank you Darrell, you showed up at just the right time. You're reminding everyone who votes for the teabaggers and republicans that they vote the same way you do.

Don't forget, tell USEless1/Promerkin/henry/hank/Dorothy that Cambildge says Bye!

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39cambridge(3099 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Yankyournoodle.....What do mean, IF your a teabagger? I'm not a teabagger, teabagee or anything else that you and your little friends are into.

After their all done bouncing their jewels off you chin and it's your turn do they have some special support just for you you fat pig? No doubt that if you fell on one of them they would end up stuck and that wouldn't leave much room for where you usually keep your head.

Keep on teabaggin fat boy.

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40cambridge(3099 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Yankyournoodle.....Let me ask you, is that trailer you wallow in a double wide? I just figured it would have to be for a fat pig like you. How many other pigs are in that beer can with you?

Tell the truth, when you and your teabagger sissies get together, before the teabaggin begins you love to bob for apples and gobble it up in the "hot dog" eating contest don't you?

I know you're week minded but are you also so physically wimpy that you need to join up with a bunch of other cowards because you're not man enough to take care of yourself? You and your slob friends are a joke and you remind people of that with every one of you posts.

Keep on teabaggin fat boy.

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41cambridge(3099 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Yankyournoodle.....I know you're not thin skinned, and that's not skin, it's lard. Did they really have to use an aerial photograph for your drivers license photo because you're so fat they couldn't use a regular camera?

Well, don't bunch up in that trailer, you wouldn't want it to tip over.

Keep on teabaggin fat boy.

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42cambridge(3099 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

And the winner is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC...

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43cambridge(3099 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwO8vC...

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44cambridge(3099 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG-bKy...

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45cambridge(3099 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Yankyournoodle.....Where'd ya go!

Oh well at least you and USEless1/ProMerkin/henry/hank/Dorothy still have each other.

Keep on teabaggin fat boy.

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46RS(3 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

I think we have come to identify Clinton with the prosperity of the 90's. We celebrate Clinton, but what we really want is for that feeling to return.

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47Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Hearing Clinton talk is like reading an old issue of The Daily Racing Form . He is out of date and not in tune with the political climate of today . All Clinton and his supporters can do is reminisce his days in office .

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48cambridge(3099 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

The whole country can reminisce about the time Clinton was in office. That's a lot more than you can say about Bush's eight years.

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49JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Bush also had to deal with quit a tradgedy in his first year of office.

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50JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

My typing is bad today - tragedy.

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51hankchanaski(29 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

when most people think of clinton, they think of good economic times, not all the bs that some of these people are talking about.

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52Woody(452 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Can anyone tell me what policies that Clinton put in that spurred the economy?

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53cambridge(3099 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Woody....The answer to your question is in the link below.

http://clinton5.nara.gov/WH/Accomplis...

I would ask the same question about Bush. What policies did Bush put in that spurred the economy?

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54Woody(452 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Seems like all the highlights of the Clinton Admin happened after 1994. Hmmm, something big happened that year, can't think what that was. (not sure if the sarcasm is coming across)

Bush, like Reagan cut taxes. And surprise, just like with Reagan, after he cut taxes revenue to the federal government increased. But, Bush made a ton of mistakes. He spent to much. Republican congress turned into a Democratic congress, not just in the make up that changed in 2006, but prior to that when Republicans were acting like Democrats.

Republicans are getting a second chance. And of they turn into what they were in the mid 2000s, we will get rid of them again.

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55cambridge(3099 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Now I get it. All the good things that happened during the Clinton administration were because of the republicans.

That must mean that all those disasters that happened during the bush administration were because of the Democrats.

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56hankchanaski(29 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

the first thing clinton did was raise the top tax rate. this was good for economy. gwb enacted policies such as lower taxes for the wealthiest americans, this added to deficit. 2 wars,deregulation of wallstreet and a basic theory that they (the gop) could put all of these measures on the credit card held by china was the problem.

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57Askmeificare(711 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

I'm a Democrat and ever since clinton came into my living room via the television and said he did not have relations with that girl, which later we all found out was a lie. He asked everyone in the nation to give him the benefit of the doubt. I never after that liked nor trusted the man.

Even after he lied to everyone in the Mahoning Valley, saying that he would help us ( remember he stood up on that flatbed trailer in Southern Park Mall parking lot and our local leaders even admitted that in private meetings clinton said he would help the valley ), and he hadn't I strongly hoped that time needed to play out and politics wasn't in play.

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58hankchanaski(29 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

what did gwb do for our region? i forgot, he gave us the worst economy since the great depression. thanks gwb !

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59Woody(452 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Hank,

When GWB cut taxes, revenue (that is the actual money the govenment takes in) increased. Did GWB add to the deficit, yes, cause he spent like a liberal.

Clinton did good, when he governed like a conservative.

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60hankchanaski(29 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

when gwb cut taxes for wealthy, he did add to the deficit.

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61cambridge(3099 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

It's funny that someone would say GWB spent like a liberal. It was Clinton the liberal who turned around the record budget deficits of Reagan and Bush the father into a budget surplus only to have that surplus squandered by Bush the son aka: "Fredo" and turned back into a record deficit.

These same conservatives blame Obama for a budget he inherited that was already in place when he took office.

Conservatives never get tired of trying to rewrite history.

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62Woody(452 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Hello Hank,

What part of Bush cut taxes, revenue that the government collected INCREASED? (and he cut them for everyone, I am far from wealth, and I got a tax cut)

Same as when Reagan cut taxes, same as when John Kennedy cut taxes.

Do some research on the Laffer Curve.

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63hankchanaski(29 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

hello woody, why do you think the tax cuts were to expire in 2011? because they werent paid for. when you have out of control spending, like you had under gwb, and you give tax breaks to the wealthy (source of money for federal gov) it adds to the deficit. this is pretty simple stuff. what dont you understand? taxes collected from americans are what the federal government uses to do the things they (the people in charge at the time) want to do. you had more spending then taxes being taken in, this adds to the deficit.

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64Woody(452 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

So reduce spending!!! That is what I have been saying all along Bush and the republican congress spent like democrats. Clinton after 94 moved to the right and reduced spending and also cut taxes.

Under Bush everyone got a tax break (well people that were paying taxes). And why not give a break to the wealthy. They earned the money. I think you might be jealous that you did not make something better of your life.

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65hankchanaski(29 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

woodman, you are a typical conservative of the times. i am going to assume you dont make over $250,000 a year (i could be wrong but doubt it) and you are fighting for tax breaks that you will not receive. whether you want to believe it or not obama gave middle americans the largest tax break they have ever seen. how is it fair that middle class americans pay somewhere in the neighborhood of 25-28% federal income tax and corporations like general electric and exxon mobile pay none? your premise that every wage earner in the bush economy got a tax break is a joke. gwb gave middle class families $300 and individuals $150 checks and within his presidency a republican congress and bush shipped all of our jobs offshore. wake up bro, your being taken for a ride by all the clows in the republican party and fox news.

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