facebooktwitterRSS
- Advertisement -
  • Most Commentedmost commented up
  • Most Emailedmost emailed up
  • Popularmost popular up
- Advertisement -

 

« News Home

Bus fracas wasn’t just boy’s fault, mom says



Published: Thu, November 18, 2010 @ 12:08 a.m.
  Family releases bus incident video - Explicit Content

By John W. GOODWIN JR.

jgoodwin@vindy.com

YOUNGSTOWN

The family of a student accused of fighting with a bus driver and assistant and threatening those on the bus with a gun says the boy is not totally at fault in the incident, and they say they have the video to prove it.

Matthew Spain, 17, of Ridge Road, is in the Martin P. Joyce Juvenile Justice Center for actions he is said to have taken on a school bus Monday. Spain was being taken home from the University Project Learning Center on Ford Avenue.

One student on the bus recorded on a cell phone the altercation between Spain, the bus driver and a bus assistant and handed that footage over to the Spain family.

According to police reports filed by the bus driver and assistant, Spain began calling students riding the bus, the driver and the assistant foul names and using swear words.

Reports say the bus stopped at the boy’s home, but he refused to get off.

The driver and assistant told police the boy repeatedly refused to get off the bus, then wrestled with them over the door handle when they decided to return him to the school. Reports say the boy then grabbed the male assistant’s jacket, causing a scuffle.

The driver said the boy ultimately went into his home and came out moments later with a firearm. The driver told police the boy chased the bus down the street carrying the firearm.

Lillie Spain, Matthew’s mother, said Wednesday she knows her son has behavioral problems but that Matthew is not totally at fault in the incident.

Lillie Spain, and her daughter Kenita Spain, said Matthew has no access to a firearm and did not chase the school bus down the street threatening anyone.

Kenita Spain said she came out of the house shortly after the altercation between her brother and the bus driver, and the bus was already gone. Matthew, she said, was still home unarmed and not chasing the bus.

The Spain family also points to the video taken with a camera phone on the bus. The video shows Matthew, the driver and the assistant in a chaotic scene that turned physical at the bus entrance. Verbal insults and foul language could be heard coming from Matthew and the school-bus employees.

The video did not show Matthew going into his house or emerging with a firearm. The Spain family said Matthew had been arguing with other students on the bus last week and asked a friend to record any problems he might have on the bus.

Community Busing, which contracts for some busing with the Youngstown City School District, refused to comment on the matter or its policies for drivers and assistants Wednesday, saying the incident is still under investigation.

John T. Allen, city schools ombudsman, did not return calls made to his office Wednesday but earlier in the week did say the school district is looking into the matter. Superintendent Wendy Webb was unavailable to comment.

Lillie Spain said she understands that her son was wrong for using foul language and being disruptive, but she said the actions of the driver and assistant also are questionable.

She said parts of the video show the bus driver cursing at her son, and other parts of the video show the assistant grabbing and fighting with the boy. She said that is totally out of line.

“She [the bus driver] actually pulled him up, put her hands on my son. The assistant hit him, and I took him [Matthew] to the hospital and everything. You are not supposed to do that. If anything, she should have stopped and called the police,” Lillie Spain said.

Kenita Spain said her family is not saying Matthew is innocent, but they want the driver and assistant to be disciplined for their part in the incident.

“I know he is not an angel, but about what was reported, this video shows otherwise. He is bad but not this time,” Kenita Spain said.

The video shows Matthew struggling with the bus assistant and then standing in the door of the bus refusing to move and trying to use a cell phone to call his sister to come outside. Kenita Spain said Matthew thought he was being threatened and tried to reach a family member.

The video goes on to show Matthew involved in a second physical altercation with the bus assistant when he would not move from the bus door. Punches were thrown during the second altercation.

Lillie Spain said she plans to contact an attorney about the situation.


Comments

1opddad(61 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Yeah, Lillie get yourself an attorney, and sue everybody on the bus. If you play your cards right, you can get some serious $$ out of this. Bullying, your little man, Matthew, by everyone on the bus,is a serious accusation, oh.. except Matthew's friend who was video taping everything until Matthew came running after the bus waving, not a gun, according to you. Hmm.. you weren't even there..what the..? Lady you've gone too far with Matthew on this one!

Suggest removal:

2Lifes2Short(3875 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

"He is bad but not this time,” Kenita Spain said."

WOW! I hate to see him when he is BAD.

Suggest removal:

3colleen(1 comment)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

From what I can see, the Bus employees handled the situation to the best of their abilities. I hope the young man's family accepts this responsibility and gets him the help he desperately needs. I feel bad for the students who are exposed to this behavior. They need to understand this is NOT tolerated.

Suggest removal:

4spirit76(19 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

This mother is in denial. What is the age difference between this mother and her son. Hmmm, makes you wonder. He exhibits a lack of total home training and it appears he might have been born with some type of syndrome. I wonder if she smoked or drank while she was carrying him. The video clearly shows who is at fault, and the bus driver and assistant reacted appropriately. No lawyer in his right mind should take this case. Youngstown needs to be fumigated.

Suggest removal:

5Stormieangel(136 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Wait a minute here! If this video shows that this kid was not 100% responsible for this situation, let the authorities get to the bottom of it. Don't just prejudge this kid, which I did after I read yesterday's account of it. Now we have more information. The bus driver is NOT allowed to curse and carry on either. I am not saying this kid is totally innocent but it kinda sounds like maybe not all the facts as presented are true. It is called giving the devil his due. Let's wait til that video is shown to the proper authorities and let all that are guilty be penalized. Yes, maybe some kid said this kid came out with a gun and the bus driver thought that could be true but did the driver know it for a fact? The driver was right to take off....just to be on the safe side. But we all tend to quickly judge without ALL the facts and I am just as guilty. Let's wait and see what all the facts are first. Remember this kid is still a kid and with problems and the bus driver is an adult who also has rules to abide by in situations. They do carry phones and authorites need to be notified instantly when such situation occur just in case they escalate as this one must have done.

Suggest removal:

6AtownParent(561 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Talk about denial. Wow, how does one not see that the kid was the cause of all of that?

Suggest removal:

7ladyJLB(1 comment)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree in this case. maybe lead paint is a factor.. hmmmm

Suggest removal:

8Lifes2Short(3875 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

stormieangel

"Don't just prejudge this kid, which I did after I read yesterday's account of it. "

So you would let your kid talk that trash ghetto sh@3 to adults in authority? That is okay?

"The bus driver is NOT allowed to curse and carry on either."

Says who? If someone got up into my face and threatened me, do you think I would just stand there and take it? I highly doubt it. That bus driver had every right to defend herself and the assistant and the others on the bus. Back in the day, this punk would have got his butt whipped and the parents would probably buy the driver a steak dinner. Useless kids have no respect for people in authority these days.

"I am not saying this kid is totally innocent but it kinda sounds like maybe not all the facts as presented are true."

What facts? Just listen, get off the bus, and go your merry ole way. Case closed.

"Remember this kid is still a kid and with problems and the bus driver is an adult who also has rules to abide by in situations."

This kid is still a kid? Talking that trash, don't seem like a kid to me. No reason to keep using bit@#$, ho, nig@# over and over, is it?
That's not a vocabulary of a kid, maybe a street punk thug. The bus driver and assistance did nothing wrong when dealing with this punk.

These kids nowadays need to be held accountable for there actions, not have people feeling so sorry for them and always acting like there the victims instead of the troublemakers! It's got to stop.

Suggest removal:

9casper77(136 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Mother needs to go to treatment , she got to be on something. Ever notice it's always someone elses fault, never the thug. If the punk shot someone , you would blame the gun. BUT officers , my son was only holding the gun ,the gun was the one that shot the person....PLEASE!!!!

Suggest removal:

10Eric(196 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Matthew definitely shouldn't have been acting that way. However, I agree with Stormieangel that the bus driver shouldn't have acted that way, either. She is the adult and authority figure. Matthew was leaving the bus when he called the driver a black b----. The bus driver then stood up and swore at him and got in his face. She should not have said anything and let the school handle it. Ban him from the bus if need be. I agree Matthew was wrong, but adults should have control over themselves. The bus driver’s actions aren't teaching the kids anything about how adults should act.

Suggest removal:

11walter_sobchak(1840 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

I remember back in the good old days (1974) when a teacher at Wilson caught a kid smoking in the restroom. The teacher threatened the kid not to do it anymore or else. The student, whom we will call Pat, walked by the teacher and swore at him under his breath at which point the teacher, Mr. Nick Temnick, who had to be about 6'-6, chased him down the hall, threw him against the lockers a few time, held him up by his collar and issued one last threat that he had better not talk to him like that again. No lawyers or guns, just a smart a$$ kid and a good teacher providing appropriate discipline. He learned his lesson that you get what you give.

So, here we have a 17 year old thug who hasn't yet been taught the proper lessons in life. Threatens a female bus driver and the parents complain that she used foul language. Maybe next time she should kick him in the gonads, unless, of course, they are under developed.

I'm living in a world that I don't understand!

Suggest removal:

12redvert(2046 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

"The bus driver’s actions aren't teaching the kids anything about how adults should act."

No Eric, if you act like a animal you must be treated like a animal. It is not fair to the animal to be treated any other way! Put this punk in jail with the big boys and he will come out of there "wide-eyed"

Suggest removal:

13commoncitizen(959 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Let's all remember the name "Mathew Spain" becuase I'm sure this will not be the last time he will be in the news. His sister said he didn't have a gun - - what was he waving around?? Hopefully, the police will follow up on this.

Suggest removal:

14QCfan(3 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Without the F-bomb, the recording would be nearly silent. Without help, this kid will end up in prison or dead.

Suggest removal:

15southsidedave(4777 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Someone in this story must be using drugs because the entire story makes absolutely no sense.

According to Ms. Spain, the bus driver and his assistant have reportedly invented a story about her son brandishing a weapon and threatening them...I don't think anyone will believe that is a made up story.

Ms. Spain is trying to exploit our justice system and will undoubtedly claim her son was discriminated against in some manner so she can collect money in a frivolous lawsuit.

Suggest removal:

16mufasa(26 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Seems to me that sweet little Matthew and others on that bus need to be taught how respectful people act and that there are consequences to one's actions. Something that is clearly not being taught at home, so in a few years, I predict that the legal system will become the teacher.

As for the driver and assistant, they have the right to protect themselves. However, as adults, the language isn't acceptable.

Suggest removal:

17Lifes2Short(3875 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Eric

"The bus driver’s actions aren't teaching the kids anything about how adults should act."

What, have the punk dish his sh@4 out and let him get away with it? Wouldn't surprise me if he talked to his sister or mother like that. If someone don't stand up to him then who will? Instead of pacifying the punk he should get how he treats others. Show some respect. Quit pampering these troublemakers!
One day, he might be in your face with a gun robbing you or your family. What would you do then. Pacify him?

Suggest removal:

18bellaC(1 comment)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

OMG!!!! Will somebody shut this mother up? With her "Not my baby..... he didn't do nothing wrong...it was not his fault.... they was picking on him...he was defending himself....." attitude. Clearly this is a case of bad parenting. This little boy was taught absolutely no respect. What is going on with our black community? Did she miss her son threating and calling everybody on the bus a bitch. I wonder do he call her the same? Maybe that's why she's defending him. Sweetie your son is clearly wrong so let him accept responsibility and be a man since he want to talk like one. Yes the bus driver should have consequences for her behavior she shouldn't had gone off like especially when working as a bus driver however, the boy should just be lucky that he didn't pop off on the wrong person that would of done damage to him.

Suggest removal:

19BrothaLove(81 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

BellaC

Why do the actions of one misguided black youth become a reflection on the entire black community? I didn't hear anyone crying about the plight of the white community when the white youths beat the homeless man on the South Side.

Suggest removal:

20nane6(29 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

This is ridiculous. That juvenile deliquent better be glad I wasn't driving that bus because I probably would be in jail now for giving him the a** beating his mother should have gave him a long time ago. That bus driver was protecting herself. You see that he backed his young stupid butt up when she stood up. He didn't want none of her. Thugs these days want to be tough/act tough but stand up to one of them and watch them think twice. Mommy dearest, face facts. You've got a serious problem on your hands and instead of trying to blame everybody else, admit the problem and get him and you some counseling. Maybe he can be helped before it's too late.

Suggest removal:

21Stan(9923 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

"The driver said the boy ultimately went into his home and came out moments later with a firearm. The driver told police the boy chased the bus down the street carrying the firearm."

It sure is a good thing that he hadn't yet learned how to shoot .

Suggest removal:

22Eric(196 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

"That bus driver was protecting herself."

Did any of you actually watch the video? The kid was getting off of the bus! He might have verbally attacked her, but nothing was physical. There is a difference. He swore at the bus driver, and she retaliated. Granted, his language was awful and he definitely needs discipline. But the bus driver was NOT the one to do it. Adults need to remain in control of their emotions, especially when dealing with juveniles.

Kids need to be shown how to act. When I was in school I was certainly put into place by my teachers, but they never used language like that woman. Who sets the example? With all of the comments on this board about how "animals need to be treated like animals," I'm not surprised that our kids think it is okay to swear and treat others like trash.

Suggest removal:

23mom2boys(11 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Folks, I am astonished at the number of people suggesting counseling who still don't get it! At 17, with this pattern of behavior??? This boy is lost for good unless he recieves an Epiphany from God and a long term residential facility with a strong reputation. Counseling is for kids who don't lie or manipulate, whose parents follow up on the treatment, and who want to be helped.

Suggest removal:

24DOLE2(594 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

My baby didn't do a thing wrong!!

Suggest removal:

25Lifes2Short(3875 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

eric

"He might have verbally attacked her, but nothing was physical."

And that's okay? To talk to a adult like that? And coming back out with a gun? Things could have got a lot worse. And this isn't nothing compared to what they put up with everyday, including the teachers, I know someone in the Youngstown City School that teaches and the stories he tells, would blow your mind to what really happens everyday.

"He swore at the bus driver, and she retaliated."

And who in there right mind would not? He's the juvenile she's the adult. If your going to talk to your elders like that, they have every right to talk back to you like that. Where in the world is the respect anymore?

"Granted, his language was awful and he definitely needs discipline. But the bus driver was NOT the one to do it."

Then who is? The mother? Give me a break, she don't think he was wrong, which he was 100% wrong. The father, if he has one there, haven't heard from him. His family, and obviously they haven't done the job.

So who is responsible? The teachers, the bus drivers, there jobs are not to babysit these young punks, bottom line, it has to start with the PARENTS, not strangers.
So the kid gets a bashing from someone else, the mother complains, people stick up for the kid, and it's damn if you do and damned if you don't.

"Kids need to be shown how to act."

Isn't that the parents job?

"Who sets the example? "

The PARENTS.

"With all of the comments on this board about how "animals need to be treated like animals," I'm not surprised that our kids think it is okay to swear and treat others like trash."

I hope your not serious?

Suggest removal:

26sassylee(2 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

ONE THING TO MOM.. WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM TO EVEN CONSIDER TAKING UP FOR YOUR SON !!!!!!!!! WHAT COULD YOU BE THINKING OF???? CLEARLY YOU SEE IN THE VIDEO HOW YOUR SON ACTED, NOT ONLY TO THE BUS DRIVER/AND HER ASSISTANT, BUT THE FACT THAT THEY ARE "ADULT'S"... START AT HOME "MOM"... THATS MORE THAN LIKELY WHATS WRONG WITH HIM, "STOP TAKING UP FOR HIM WHEN YOU CLEARLY SEE THAT HE IS IN THE WRONG"..... (WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU????)

Suggest removal:

27MSme3(7 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

It's this type of parenting that likely has a huge effect on why little Matthew here already has a long string of behavior problems. While the bus officials may not have handled the matter appropriately, they do have a very hard job to do in looking out for the safety of the rest of the children on the bus that could have potentially turned into a huge fight or riot on the bus. So how as a parent should you address the situation? I know go to the Media and make Matthew a celebrity and completely minimize his actions. I know he was wrong, BUT... Yeah, that will do it. RIGHT! If it were my son I would have taken any issues with the bus personnel privately to the school and make sure the focus stayed where it belonged. On the child who at 17 has clearly not learned that in the civilized world there are rules and laws to live by and calling the bus driver a B**** is probably not a good idea.

Suggest removal:

28opddad(61 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

mom2boys..Statistics show, that you are 100% correct. A 17 yr old, with with an attitude (mindset) such as Matthew's, is nearly impossible to rehabilitate. Studies in deliquency, drug use, crime,and gang activity, show that young males with the potential for this type of behaviour, must be "educated" at 9 or 10 yrs old, to prevent them from going down that road. Whatever the outcome of this incident..as a commenter put it "remember the name Matthew Spain."

Suggest removal:

29mom2boys(11 comments)posted 3 years, 8 months ago

Thanks opddad. I would also like to point out to the readers, particularly with comments such as...
"... in the civilized world there are rules and laws to live by"
Kids like Matt Spain never make it to the "civilized world". They don't plan on practicing for job interviews, because they never plan to work. There are more & more of these kids (or maybe have always been, I don't know) walking around the schools all the time - often in Youngstown, but not exclusively. Lazy, live off the government mentality (or live off crime mentality) is epidemic. Can we really blame the kids for this attitude when they can't name for you one relative, one adult with whom they are close, who even has a job???? I wouldn't be shocked if teachers in Youngstown reported as many as 40% of students, if surveyed, never plan to work when they grow up. Many will tell you they will be pro atheletes or rappers, but truthfully, few plan on making a living the old fashioned way - by hard work. I am back now to my soapbox about urban social problems. While a noble idea in Roosevelt's era, and a necessary protector from destitution after the Great Depression, the manner in which Welfare and other Social Programs have been implemented have devastated the inner cities of America. Why bother with Education Reform if you're not going to start with Social Reform??? Write your congressman & senators today!

Suggest removal:

30dominoman777(57 comments)posted 3 years, 7 months ago

send em back to africa

Suggest removal:


News
Opinion
Entertainment
Sports
Marketplace
Classifieds
Records
Discussions
Community
Help
Forms
Neighbors

HomeTerms of UsePrivacy StatementAdvertiseStaff DirectoryHelp
© 2014 Vindy.com. All rights reserved. A service of The Vindicator.
107 Vindicator Square. Youngstown, OH 44503

Phone Main: 330.747.1471 • Interactive Advertising: 330.740.2955 • Classified Advertising: 330.746.6565
Sponsored Links: Vindy Wheels | Vindy Jobs | Vindy Homes | Pittsburgh International Airport