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Energy producers work for you

Published: Fri, November 12, 2010 @ 12:00 a.m.

Energy producers work for you

A Nov. 9 letter (The siren song of big oil)offers outrageous accusations against America’s oil and natural gas companies without a single piece of evidence to back them up. Oil and natural gas companies represent some 9.2 million Americans whose livelihoods depend on the industry’s ability to deliver a reliable and affordable supply of energy to American consumers (while pouring billions of dollars annually in taxes, fees and royalties into federal and state treasuries) — and they have an obligation to keep “Americans informed of our energy reality, including through advertising.

About 60 percent of the oil that Americans consume comes from North America — including Canada and Mexico, longtime loyal allies of the American people. Incidentally, while making certain consumers in Youngstown and elsewhere have the energy they need, U.S. oil and natural gas companies are also spending billions of dollars to develop advanced energy technologies to reduce greenhouse gas emissions while meeting future energy needs. Between 2000 and 2008, the industry invested more than $58 billion in new low- and zero-emissions technologies. This represents 44 percent of the $133 billion spent by all U.S. industries and the federal government combined.

America needs to have a serious discussion about its energy future, but it can only do so if Americans are armed with the facts, not unfounded accusations.

Terry Fleming, Columbus

The writer is executive director of the Ohio Petroleum Council.


1shepolitico(4 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Mr. Terry Fleming’s LTE headline would more appropriately be titled, Energy Producers: I Work for Them
Mr. Fleming is a registered lobbyist for the petroleum industry, working for the Ohio Petroleum Council, (http://ohiolobby.org/fleming-terry-p/) and recently organized one of those faux “grassroots” events for the front group called ENERGY CITIZENS in Lima, OH (http://www.grist.org/article/2009-08-...). His credibility is called into question here. Additionally, he never really refutes anything Cherise stated in her letter to the editor. He in fact admits to the “advertising” of his industry by stating that they have an obligation to keep “Americans informed of our energy reality” – more like energy nightmare! He also said that “Oil and natural gas companies represent some 9.2 million Americans whose livelihoods depend on the industry’s ability to deliver a reliable and affordable supply of energy to American consumers,” which sounds nice until you recount the recent disasters that prove it is not so reliable and tragically destroyed the livelihood of many of its own employees not to mention those in the community’s impacted by the disasters (ex. Gulf Coast area). Even one of the unions that represent a large sector of the oil refinery industry’s workers, the United Steelworkers, have recently been critical of the industry’s health and safety record: http://www.usw.org/media_center/relea...
Mr. Fleming’s Ohio Petroleum Council is affiliated with the notorious American Petroleum Institute, the main trade organization for the U.S. oil and gas industry, working to defend oil companies and their interests. API funds advertising and promotes government policies that many oil and gas companies support, even if the companies are embarrassed to associate themselves by name. For example, API complains of an unlevel playing field on tax rates for the oil industry, despite the fact that the industry is one of the most heavily subsidized in the nation. (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/04/bus...). API staged public "Energy Citizens" rallies to provide the appearance of public support for the oil industry, even though many of the people who attend the rallies are energy company employees. (http://www.eenews.net/public/Greenwir...)

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2shepolitico(4 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Another notorious funder of misleading advertising is done by Americans for Prosperity, which David Koch of Koch Industries co-founded. With annual revenues over $100 billion, America’s second largest privately held company is owned by brothers Charles and David Koch. Koch Industries owns oil refineries in Alaska, Texas and Minnesota, controls about 4,000 miles of pipelines, and manufactures products of well-known brands such as Dixie Cups and Brawny Towels. Called a “powerhouse among conservative advocacy groups” by The Washington Post, this organization actively opposes clean energy solutions, denies the science behind climate change, and helped foment the Tea Party movement's attacks on clean energy. (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thef...). Koch Industries spent nearly $17 million lobbying Congress in the last two years, and more than $48 million funding climate deniers from 1997 to 2008. (Senate Office Public Records, last accessed August 1, 2010).
ARE THOSE ENOUGH FACTS, Mr. Fleming!?! We could publish a lot more facts if necessary to get the point across.

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3Traveler(606 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

We need to get more of our oil from the US not over sea. That should be the focus of our national energy police not green technology. A technology that isn't ready for mass development and cant compete with out mass of government subsides. Subsides which the American government just cant afford in this time of record debt. Green tech which only raise peoples power bill and makes American companies less compete with the world.

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4cambridge(3109 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Traveler.....Read post #6 in the link below. It pretty much proves everything you just posted is wrong.


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5Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

America was built by Coal,Oil and Steel . Today there are those who would deny all three the right to flourish . They believe that we should become a Third World Country .

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6Traveler(606 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

@ Cambridge i looked it up my power made from mostly coal is cheap then you power made from renewables. My power cost 6.21 cent a kWh yours start at 10.02. I can heat or cool my house for almost half. But where that really makes a differences is some of the small manufacturing company that are still left around Youngstown. You know the ones that have a 5 or 6 grand power bill that are still left in USA. If they where get power from your renewable that would cost them double. But im sure china would love to have them. So who cares if they cant afford there power bill and have to lay people off.

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7Springman(235 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago


You are out of date about ten years!!!

The cost of solar is dropping, and in many places is down to 4cents per kw.for home use (if self installed) and can be less when net metering is considered. Some homes MAKE money on solar. Businesses that rely on hot water can also MAKE money by using solar thermal.

In some countries, new plants are often hybrid, using both thermal solar and other sources like natural gas and coal. China is actually at the forefront of new technology and we are lagging far behind.



The cost of operation is halved, and the cost to the consumer should be also.

But I think the real answer is self reliance.If your home is self sufficient, it reduces not only costs, but pollution, national secuity threats to the grid, etc. I personally have chosen to buy nothing but windpower because it has NO pollution costs involved. Right now it does cost a little more but I figure that I am benefitting society as well as myself.

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8Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

city_dweller :

"Yes, and America was built on the backs of slaves too. Good thing some one denied that the right to flourish."

The Third World has plenty of slavery . If you want to head in that direction why not move to one that is ready made ? Those of us who are aware that industrialized nations have the best living conditions will continue in our endeavors to avoid being enslaved . Oil,Coal and Steel make machinery available to ease our burdens .

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9cambridge(3109 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Traveler.....Your theory that clean and green is bad for business doesn't hold up.

The San Francisco Bay area is the greenest part of the greenest state.

The Bay Area economy dwarfs those of most nations. Here are the numbers:

Annual GDP: $420 billion

Ranking: 25th largest economy, ahead of Austria, Taiwan, Greece and Denmark.

Per capita GDP: $60,667, is higher than any other region of California and would rank among the top five countries in the world - ahead of the United States and Singapore.

Corporate headquarters: 7 percent of Fortune's Global 500 companies are here, second only to New York.

Source: Bay Area Economic Institute, World Bank, Fortune

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10Nunya(1356 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Conclusive QUOTE - Terry Fleming, Columbus

The writer is executive director of the Ohio Petroleum Council.- End QUOTE { says it all }

Mr. Fleming

To be candid here, you can save your lying breath. Because everyone with good sense or hasn't be in captivity in a cave for better than 20 years. Duly knows you're full of it and those operating in the U.S. Oil industry. Are driven by personal profit of record proportions and fleecing the living hell out of the consumer market and you're even sold on destroying the environment to do it.

Granted, the populous bears some blame for over patronizing your industries incestuous greed. Where now with a push and confirmed data from the damage and alternative of renewable energy sources,.. YOU FRETFULLY LIE !!!

See IF your lying line of so falsely alleging " Energy Producers work tor you ",.. were even remotely true. Then the cost and profit margin wouldn't be so lopsided to where consumers nor the environment could continue to afford big Oil and soot coal as mainstays,.. Whats in YOUR Wallet?

See Fleming, your industries greed has unraveled you on more spectrum's than your conscious thoughts even realized. I'm a strong proponent for cleaner, cheaper and more abundant renewable energy sources. To wit if you'd like to air this discussion in open forum and on equal footing.

Indiscriminately as a means to hash FACTS and explode fiction I'd revel in seizing the opportunity to dismantle you here. Which I'll check back later to see if you'd dare accept that challenge,.. this will be FUN !!!

P.S. Hell No we're not going for " Fracking " to poison our water supplies either,..

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11lemongrovecafe(18 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

what a joke. The facts are all so easily available to back up everything Cherise wrote. So tired of so called "independent" organizations that are really just puppets for large exploitative corporations.

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12Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Pssssstttttt Nunya :

Hate to burst your bubble but almost all wells drilled worldwide for Oil and Gas are Hydrofractured . This is the normal way that wells are stimulated to increase production . We tried nuclear explosions in Colorado wells but it left the gas radioactive .

Many high volume water wells are also hydrofractured . Without this procedure many areas could not get adequate amounts of water volume from their wells .

Nunya has a BS in scatology and his opinions of the Petroleum Industry reflect his desire to be fertile with information .


The technique of hydraulic fracturing is used to increase or restore the rate at which fluids, such as oil, gas or water, can be produced from a reservoir, including unconventional reservoirs such as shale rock or coal beds. Environmental concerns regarding hydraulic fracturing techniques include potential for contamination of aquifers with fracturing chemicals or waste fluids. On the other hand, hydraulic fracturing is applied to remediation of environmental waste spills [6].

Hydraulic fracturing enables the production of natural gas and oil from rock formations deep below the earth's surface (generally 5,000-20,000 feet). At such depth, there may not be sufficient porosity and permeability to allow natural gas and oil to flow from the rock into the wellbore at economic rates. For example, creating conductive fractures in the rock is essential to produce gas from shale reservoirs because of the extremely low natural permeability of shale, (which is measured in the microdarcy to nanodarcy range). The fracture provides a conductive path connecting a larger area of the reservoir to the well, thereby increasing the area from which natural gas and liquids can be recovered from the targeted formation

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13Nunya(1356 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

You're lying again super stupid Stanley

Funny thing is you're so super stupid and impulsive of your own ignorance. That it's clear you don't even know you're lying when you so repetitively do it.

See clearly you're too stupid to know that Rotary drilling, cable drilling and down hole air hammering have been the methods of mainstream drill mining for ages. For which water and various bits are used as pulverizing through land and stone,.. you pin headed parasitic plunder bum of pedophilia propensities.

Now you witless Wikipidia driven dummy. Here's a fact filled PDF that you need to have someone read to you,.. http://www.agwt.org/info/pdfs/welldri...

See the Hydrofracture technique isn't new you stammering stooge. However, the chemicals that various contractors in the industry are now using is the issue you insidiously stupid simpleton. Who's so incestuous to incessantly spewing serial stupidity,... and you never learn.

I urge readers to watch these pieces,..

Composite numbers,.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lVk_L...

Recent founded effects,.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg3ZJ9...

Stanley, where I could go on forever plastering you as a punchline. But I called out that executive director so I could have a better debate / display. Of proving my factual point without boring readers by merely redundantly running roughshod over those like you.

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14Nunya(1356 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Just as expected,..

See now having shared my perspective and extended an offer to hash this out with the topic originator.

In the midst of this mass " Boil Water " alert and yet again having made a mockery of a sideshow like super stupid Stanley,.. Where's ole flim flam Fleming there folks?

See along with content and expressing founded concern for people being poisoned for profit. Aqua Ohio is already a problem handler and area residents better take note of those regions where those alerts are cropping up,..

Pass this info along,.. https://www.aquaamerica.com/Ohio/Page...

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