State Senate passes changes to concealed carry law

That's insane,..

If one feels they need to be armed to patronize a bar or eatery they need to avoid going to those specific establishment[s].

The owners, manager and security needs to be authorized to be armed but not the patrons.

Yeah its "Insane" because you don't know what you're talking about. The bill brings Ohio into line with about 43 other states. Today if you go to dinner at a Cracker Barrel or Bob Evans or a McDonald's you can lawfully be armed (instead of leaving it in your car to be stolen). If you go to Chipolte or Pizza Hut or Applebee's you commit a felony. The difference? The second group serves liquor that you may not even wish to consume while having dinner or lunch.

So its not insane, its common sense - why is it a felony to be otherwise "lawfully" armed in a Chipolte (they sell margaritas) but if you go to McDonald's is perfectly lawful?

If you have a burger at McDonald's with a diet coke its lawful.

If you go to Max & Erma's for a burger and a coke its a felony - because they have a liquor license.

But what about all these places that place a decal on the door? Asking a question here.

piwohio,
The bad guys LOVE the places that don't allow guns. They know that those places are safer for them to rob.
Check the stats to see how many people with CCW permits have used their guns to commit a crime since the CCW law went into effect. It is a very minute number.

CCW is a slap in the face to the subculture . Theirs is one of the oldest professions and now their lives are at risk ever so more . Scanning their prospective donors with a metal detector may be their only safe option .

@ohioccwdotorg

You're a stilled simpleton and distorted fool,..

See you're the kind of overly insecure quack variety creep. That thinks carrying a gun is your idea of identity, empowerment or importance.

See unlike you I don't suffer from such an abominable affliction. Where I respect guns and their potential but not to the point I'll jeopardize people in social settings.

If management and security are armed I feel no need to tote my weapon with me inside their establishment to take the family out for a outing at an eatery.

If you wanted to be a cop and tote your weapon in public establishments you should have had enough heart to pursue the position.

But you're not a cop and want to play cowboy with your lilly livered insecurities and want the same public establishment privileges of a law enforcement employee.

Since you're that insecure barricade yourself in your cave and don't let the world be an endangerment to your freaked out phobia.

Like I said if an individual is sensible and don't feel an establishment is safe. By all means avoid the establishment and if you have a permit carry your weapon if those elements try to infringe upon you.

To go into a place that you can avoid. Already feeling you need to be armed you're looking for trouble.

Where chances are it'd be a clown like you that would over react to a disturbance in some public facility.

Where you'd act on your insecurities and start firing rounds in the proprietors establishment endangering every patron in the place.

Just like a pick-up truck, CC is for insecure men who know that they don't add up to even the average.

Stan, for example. He knows that as an uneducated redneck, he'll need to add a little something extra to himself to compensate for the fact that he never made much of himself. So, he buys a pickup, drives ATVs, and most likely has a mustache. It's how the sub-culture rolls.

@StoogeSA

You're not only deplorable you're distinct,..

See you're not only a serial liar, incessant bigot, and abominable idiot. But you're even have a bigger cowardly trait than your vast other afflictions,..

See it's always the ones of absolute cowardice and sense of inferiority. That harbors insecurity that for whatever reason senses they should be infringed upon and thus have a paranoia based vulnerability to attest to it.

Where if you listen closely enough you'll detect those of your composition. Favors, clamours and promotes the most draconian thoughts and desperate measures to be legalized. Always hailing them as means to combat crime and allege the measures of chicken hearted-ness are implementations of protection.

See I can tell you see a gun as a means of courage, representation and authority and not a defensive apparatus that those of us of sane mind recognize them as and possess them for. See to ensure function check some of us have to remember to go to the firing range just to ensure the d@mn things still work.

Because they're not embraced as part of our person or beings nor do we play with, idolize, glorify nor admire having to own them. So favoring or campaigning for ourselves or anyone else to have a right to bear them in public establishments is uncalled for.

See I'm staunchly against criminality and in fact all for personal rights. For responsible individuals to both own and have the right to carry our weapons, Because of the lawless element that lurks in society who's manner will require us to not just own them but possibly use it in a responsible manner of defense.

See where I walk through the valley of death I fear no evil for the power of my creator is truly with me. You bear such a distinct difference of rotten hardheartedness, evil spirit and empty soul, That like the common criminal you think a gun is your first and last line of defense.

Where I don't expect you to understand that passage as the backbone of by bravado. But I'd implore you pursue it and become true to it. That is if you ever think or hope to ever become as much creation of Man as I am. That's walking amongst, around, over and even through you if and when premise or pretense requires it,..

See unlike you I stay armed and I'm not only a weapon within myself. But I'm defensive posture lethal and not solely reliant, desperately dependent upon nor a fool for nor with a gun,.. much to your complexities of chagrin, envy and astonishment.

For those with eyes let them see for those with ears let them hear,.. Now are we clear on that?

CCW is about self-protection, that's it.

The police are not your personal bodyguards, so obtaining a CCW is a proactive measure to take self-defense into one's own hands, where it should be.

The detractors should take note that gunfights don't break out either in public, or in private businesses or restaurants among CCW holders.

If you want to know a good reason to conceal carry in a restaurant or bar, just look up Luby's Diner.

Hey 300,..

Stan's not a redneck I've got a considerable amount of friends that's rednecks and they're resent any association with Stan,.. LOL !!!

See the ones I know and love that affectionately call themselves rednecks. Are honest, hard working, genuine, selfless, forthright and smart.

That's not Stan, who's merely a more processed version of StoogeSA and CCsmorgasbord and that blasphemously abhorrent Lifes2Snort character,..

See Stanleysteamer is the stooge crews matriarch and his role is to try to put snide on their side. Operating as a more subtle predator to promote their petulance.

Of course they have others in their junction of dysfunction. But it's of no consequence because they're being exposed and exploited. For just how they present themselves to be so easily subverted,..

@GurglesBrew

Ironic you should mention Lubys,..

See that's the first horrible incident that came to my mind when this restaurant issue came up.

Where I don't believe there's an individual in this discussion nor many on the face of this earth that wouldn't have drew down on that morbid maniac.

However, had the management and security been armed it could have been limited and it'd not have required a patrons intervention.

See and again,.. I'm all for management or security or both being armed in their establishment of employment.

But just like not allowing airplane passengers to arm themselves in hopes of averting am unsavory hijacker.

Neither diners nor bar patrons should be allowed to roam at large bearing sidearms as a potential liability themselves.

See it's a novel idea for a non assuming patron to just so happen to be a CCW holder and faoil a robbery attempt.

However, unlike members of law enforcement routine CCW carriers aren't trained for, tempered to various aspects of response with safety precautions for general populous safety.

Nor are they even able with any certainty to conduct or contain themselves in testy situations.

See nobody's campaigning to repeal CCW rights but expanding them to public venues certainly isn't great nor even good idea.

So you're right and supported in citing CCW is about personal safety and defense. However, the patrons, employees in as well as a proprietor of a public establishment has rights that's not to be infringed upon as well.

If I own a public establishment or even frequent the establishment as a patron. My stance is I respect you have a right to own and carry a gun.

But not in my place of business nor as a patron that may feel unsettled knowing some unknown commodity came in the place strapped.

Nunya and 300 if ignorance were gold you would be filthy rich. As a CCW holder, you would never know that I have a weapon, nor would you unless my life or the life of another person were at risk. Calling the police is a reaction, CCW is a solution.

Nunya,

Which estabishment do you own?

I want to know where to avoid.

Establishments that display the 'no weapons sign' incur the reponsibility of their patrons safety by posting said sign!

Does everything that fits into the classification of "Common Sense" need to be spelled out?
If you post a sign that denies my right to self-protection while on your property, "Common Sense" demands that you assume said protection.
Laws are designed to guide those unable to live peaceably within the realm of "Common Sense" and civility.
Laws, are only useful in the punishment phase, after a crime has been committed.
A sidearm and the ability to wield it effectively and prudently can, and at times, be, so effective at deterring a crime, that any law that has been enacted is actually moot.

Hope4,
Why would you go out of your way to remove what many assume to be a basic right of every human being, (self-protection), and not feel responsible for the protection of those that you would deny?

@henryviii1509

Noooo,..

What's new here as it stands right now is nothing. See to own a business open to the general public you assume a culpable responsibility for them being in your shop, store or whatever.

Just as much as we do regarding the similar, same and in some cases, exact same culpability with them welcomed on our residential property.

So your contention of --" Establishments that display the 'no weapons sign' incur the responsibility of their patrons safety by posting said sign "

Is no different that those that don't post the sign. See those that DON'T post the sign is welcoming more liability. Of allowing patron's to be armed in their establishments.

Ask any insurance underwriter what that does to the writing of coverage protections. See if they welcome and say the CCW patron draws and uses their weapon. And per say over react or simply miss their target and hit a non assuming patron.

That suit becomes so vast and exact that the store owner, weapon wielder and that insurance company is on the hook to the sum of an array of culpable damages.

Where if the weapon wielder wasn't welcomed. Then and only then does the assailant become deemed an intruder. Then the unfortunate incident takes on an entirely different inference.

@hope4thevalley

You're understanding it correctly,..

See ole henry1509 wants to revise what's instructed and written into is applied understanding as to what he'd like to read / infuse into it.

His posture of alleging " common sense " is a farce and contending a proprietor. Not wanting his, my nor your weapons toted on their property isn't denying us any right of self defense.

There's no store that has any policy of " If you're accosted raise your hand for an attendants assistance "

Or " Management reserves the right to exploit your insecurities ",.. like he's trying to roll out.