Arizona’s law backers should pause

How biased can you get? Not one statistic of the cost of ILLEGAL, which means against the law, for all you bleeding heart liberals. Should we just allow everyone to enter our country because they want to? That would lead to anarchy. How about the lawlessness of their criminals coming here to escape their justice system. We have these laws for a reason, they must be made to obey them.

The Liberal Democrats need these illegal aliens so they can give them amnesty,citizenship & register them to vote....how else are they going to get reelected!!!

Why is the Vindicator repeatedly digging up these articles from Hispanic (self-serving) authors condemning the practices of US lawmakers? Why are they beating the drum for this broadly rejected attitude? I'm sure Arizonans are very happy to know that nuts from California cities would not go there. Why should Arizonans care what people in Los Angeles think? In this case, the statistics are being twisted to contradict what people who live in Arizona, not Miami or Los Angeles, have seen. How is a Hispanic in Miami or Los Angeles better able to decide what Arizona law should be than its lawmakers? And, who cares if illegal aliens are nice people. Do we excuse other crimes because the perpetrators are nice people with a hard luck story? This is about whether our government can do anything right. We know what the law is. It should be enforced. Why doesn't Mexico take care of their own people? I know the answer to that one. Because, the illegal aliens send lots of money back to Mexico. That is why Mexico supports and even assists illegal immigration. The Vindicator is here to back them while hiding behind other people's journalism. This is another example of the select few with support from the liberal media working to thwart the informed decisions of the majority. I am tired of hearing this whining about what the self-serving say that Arizona peace officers WILL do. Lets give them a chance and assume they are almost as good as people in California and Florida and not maniacs, idiots or racists.

REQUIRE ,Police to question about immigration ????Soungs like Al (the butter knife ) Sharpton
You must have stopped a Sears and picked up a super sized manure spreader from Qbama.If I am puled over by an officer in Ohio or any other state I am REQUIRED to show ID whats the problem.Maybe all the do gooders would like to pool there money and foot the bill for health care,lodging,food ,education,you name it.then these people DEMAND we do it there way.I'm tired of all the BS here and DC I say cut out the freebies and you cut out illegal immigration

Pretty scary,Those Al cia duh Terrorist's could sneak over the Border with a Dirty Bomb and do somthing Terrible.

paulb....If New York City and Oklahoma have the laws that you say they are the only ones that have figured out the solution.

Rounding them up and locking them up is a waste of money. Fine the employer and take their business license and put repeat offenders in jail and the jobs will not be offered to illegals.

With no job opportunities they would stop coming here and the ones that are here would leave.

Whether there are 12 million illegal immigrants or 20 million, my question is this, Which of you are going to scrub the toilets, change the sheets, wash the dishes, clean the grease traps and get up at 5am to work in the fields in the hot California, Arizona, Florida or Texas summers bending over and picking fruits and vegetables in fields covered in toxic pesticides, and all of this for minimum wage or less with no benefits, or would you be willing to send your children to do this work for the summers during high school and after they graduate for 2 full years.

To replace 12 million underpaid workers would require the establishment of a National Service Agency similar to the one instituted in the UK during World War II and only abolished (yes that word reminds us of slavery) in 1960. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscrip...)

Is this a solution you are willing to accept? If not, what is your alternative plan? are you going to get laid off auto workers to do those menial jobs for less than minimum wage? Are you going to get unemployed workers from the the East coast or Northern states to relocate to the South and West to work in the fields? What is your plan to replace those 12 to 20 million unskilled workers?

ellowood, if we eliminate all of the freebies as you suggest, unemployment will go up not down and even if you can get them to do those 12 to 20 million jobs, as there are far more than 20 million on welfare.

Which welfare programs would you end? Food Stamps? WIC? Social Security Retirement? Social Security Disability? Medicare? Medicaid? Unemployment benefits? General Assistance? Foster Children funding? K-12 Public Schools?

If Americans are unwilling to do these jobs, which I doubt, we can let aliens take them. Is there some reason though that they have to sneak in rather than apply for a work visa? Is there some reason we cannot have a picture and fingerprints so we can identify them? Many enter with backpacks full of drugs to pay their way. Smugglers have made a very profitable industry out of crossing our border while we discuss what to do about it. TV reporters show videos of big groups crossing the border with no concern for apprehension. Are we ready to give up and consider the exploitation of Mexicans to be a reasonable economic policy? The fact that increasingly drugs, little girls and weapons are smuggled is reason enough to put a stop to it. Mexican assassins are in our southwest cities conducting business. Check out some of the border patrol stories. Agents now carry M16 rifles because their work is so dangerous. Southwestern states are being taken over by drug cartels and all we can do is talk about who we can exploit to pick the lettuce? Many Mexicans who do are children. What is the cost of uncontrolled smuggling in drug addiction and human lives? They are making fools out of us and most of us know it.

Answers to your questions from a border state resident:

1. Answering a question with a question: Do you think that the police don't have enough to do rather than stop every other person on the street? Or do you have so little confidence in the decency of officers of the law that they wouldn't abuse this law?

2. ANY crime commited by an already law breaking illegal alien is NOT ACCEPTABLE!

3. And you point is....?

4. I really don't give a crap.

5. I really don't give a crap.

Any other questions?

psyker99 (10) the reason they sneak in is because "the U.S. labor market employs up to 500,000 (additional) low-skilled workers a year, but the U.S. government only gives 5,000 permanent legal visas a year in that category."

This is why we need comprehensive immigration reform including a guest worker program.

Not every illegal in this country is picking lettuce. A huge percentage are here on expired work, student and visitors visa's.

I've worked on many construction projects in Silicon Valley. New construction, retrofit and plant expansions. You would be amazed at how many of the operators in these facilities are here on visas from India and other parts of Asia.

They are good paying technical jobs that they do at a cut rate and no benefits while local qualified workers stay home. Anyone who thinks these companies keep track of these peoples visa status is naive. If their visa is expired their employer doesn't want to know.

As far as farm workers. There are migrant farm workers that come here legally on temporary work visas and work these farms during the seasons and spend the rest of the time in their native country.

Trust me, know one has a dream to sneak into America to pick fruit.

Great day for latinos in Cleveland, Ohio. the city council voted No. 16 to 2 in AZ like law. God bless good politicians! For those who haven't figure out how politicians work, the people from Cleveland, have. For the last 20 years democrats as well as republicans have race eachother to se who can come up with the more savege laws to criminalized immigration for political platform purposes to gain political votes. and once they get elected they put it to rest, till the next political campaing. So evry 4 years legal and illegal immigrants are brought up for trial. And when it's time for them to cast their vote in this issue and take actions they turn the other way and never do anything. Why? Becouse they have bigger fish to fry but it's easyer to blame Immigrants for all their fails. Immigration is not the problem in this country, but politicians make ti seem that way. it's a card they know how to play to well. after all If you can defeat them comfuse them. People it works! and they know that.

The Arizona law is not about the 430k settlers in that State. It's about what to do with the other 2 million plus latinos who have lived there since Arizona was part of Mexico.

This law is design to put bown skin people in their place, to humiliate them.
It's not going to work.

Ask the Arizonan-Mexican who is in US uniform in Irak or Afganistan about the Jim Crow era laws in his State.
As for undocumented immigrats, how can they be lazy leaches and taking "jobs" at the same time? make up your mind.

For the haters out there, quit spreading lies... We know you can wrap your self in the flag and at times quote the bible. Spare civil discussion from your dramatic show.

By the way, why would people want to leave their family and friends to come to the south side of Youngstown? Handles Ice cream!

So people are criticizing lawmakers for making illegal immigration illegal. I personally don't believe this is going to change a thing until we actually close off the border. You catch them, send them back to mexico, then they come back.... catching them doesn't work unless they can't come back without going through the process first.

Most of this comments are silly and unfundemental, but any way I guess they are well opinonated. I have to respect that, I used to think that way when I was in third grade. Most people here are criminalizing Illigal immigration and making a great deal aboutt it, while goldman suchs and the BP oil spell in the golf of Mexico is filling with oil. Wow ! this two incidents will never amount to ilegal Immigration since history. But here you are barking at the wrong tree am just glad that 99.9 of the valley think out side the box. If anything ilegal immigration is kepeeng social security alive with 1.6 billion anuanlly of unclaimed taxes from ilegal immigrants. Now wonder legislaters want to keep ilegals, ilegals, thats why they never come up to bipartisan leadership. Get the pictue?

Most of this comments are silly and unfundemental, but any way I guess they are well opinonated. I have to respect that. I used to think that way when I was in third grade. Most people here are criminalizing Illigal immigration and making a great deal aboutt it, while goldman suchs and the BP oil spell in the golf of Mexico is filling with oil. Wow ! this two incidents will never amount to ilegal Immigration since history. But here you are barking at the wrong tree am just glad that 99.9 of the valley think out side the box. If anything ilegal immigration is kepeeng social security alive with 1.6 billion anuanlly of unclaimed taxes from ilegal immigrants. Now wonder legislaters want to keep ilegals, ilegals, thats why they never come up to bipartisan leadership. Get the pictue?

Most of this comments are silly and unfundemental, but any way I guess they are well opinonated. I have to respect that. I used to think that way when I was in third grade. Most people here are criminalizing Illigal immigration and making a great deal about it, while goldman suchs and the BP oil spell in the golf of Mexico is filling with oil. Wow ! this two incidents will never amount to ilegal Immigration since history. But here you are barking at the wrong tree am just glad that 99.9 of the valley think out side the box. If anything ilegal immigration is kepeeng social security alive with 1.6 billion anuanlly of unclaimed taxes from ilegal immigrants. Now wonder legislaters want to keep ilegals, ilegals, thats why they never come up to bipartisan leadership. Get the pictue?

Most of this comments are silly and unfundemental, but any way I guess they are well opinonated. I have to respect that. I used to think that way when I was in third grade. Most people here are criminalizing Illigal immigration and making a great deal about it, while goldman suchs and the BP oil spell in the golf of Mexico is filling with oil. Wow ! this two incidents will never amount to ilegal Immigration since history. But here you are barking at the wrong tree am just glad that 99.9 of the valley think out side the box. If anything ilegal immigration is kepeeng social security alive with 1.6 billion anuanlly of unclaimed taxes from ilegal immigrants. Know wonder legislaters want to keep ilegals, ilegals, thats why they never come up to bipartisan leadership. Get the pictue?

Most of this comments are silly and unfundemental, but any way I guess they are well opinonated. I have to respect that. I used to think that way when I was in third grade. Most people here are criminalizing Illigal immigration and making a great deal about it, while goldman suchs and the BP oil spell in the golf of Mexico is filling with oil. Wow ! this two incidents will never amount to ilegal Immigration since history. But here you are barking at the wrong tree am just glad that 99.9 of the valley think out side the box. If anything ilegal immigration is keeping social security alive with 1.6 billion anuanlly of unclaimed taxes from ilegal immigrants. Know wonder legislaters want to keep ilegals, ilegals, thats why they never come up to bipartisan leadership. Get the pictue?

1. Yes
2. One little statistic you have found to support your theory
3.Guess they need a new police chief.
4. Looks like I'll be going to Arizona on vacation. Do you think maybe it is all those illegal aliens from LA that will not be visiting AZ? Looks like a win-win
5. Don't really care. We are overpopulated as it is.
6. Completely worth it.

This is America, speak English!

Cambridge, I agree with you there are illegals from many countries in the US, Having grown up in Silicon Valley I am personally aware of the great diversity of the Bay Area.

But the majority of the discussion and the law that inspired the letter writer that we are all posting on is primarily based on Mexican and Latin American illegals, who primarily are working in the fields, and in the hospitality industries. in states such as California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, & Florida.

A point I raised on another thread relating to immigration was that while the Tea Party and the Republicans make a load noise about immigration reform, they never actually do anything about it, as it is big business including hospitality, agriculture, construction, and oil drilling that benefit from the illegals being here, many of the same industries are very large contributors to conservative politicians and the GOP.