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Mahoning Co. revenues continue falling, county officials say

Published: Tue, March 23, 2010 @ 4:08 p.m.

YOUNGSTOWN — Mahoning County government faces a deepening financial crisis, with projected general fund revenues for this year 23 percent below the 2008 level and a permanent budget adoption deadline looming next week, said county Administrator George J. Tablack.

General fund revenues were $66,239,000 in 2008 and $57,550,000 last year, and Tablack projects they’ll be $51,300,000 this year.

“We have to be protective that we’re not appropriating money that we’re not going to collect, because, if we do that, we’re only compounding the problem for next year,” Tablack said.

For 17 consecutive months, sales tax revenue has been below the same month in the prior year, he observed.

For the complete story, see Wednesday's Vindicator and Vindy.com


1havinmysay(155 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

According to the Census Bureau's website, the county has lost 20,000 people between 2000 and 2008. I'm sure more has fled since then.

Since there are fewer residents to service, why hasn't the budget shrunk as well? There has to be some cost savings somewhere, one would think.

The city claims it is "right-sizing" to deal with the loss of population (or so they claim). The county is going to have to do the same.

This area's better days are far behind it, I'm afraid. People are going to continue to leave in pursuit of better jobs and a better quality of life. Might as well accept it.

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2usnveteran(12 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Deputies circulating petitions to remove elected officals,does this sound like there is something seriously wrong with this, aren’t civil servants supposed to take orders and serve the public, not try to revolt against civilian elected leaders. Look around we are all suffering with no jobs, no more unemployment insurance and very little hope,be careful you might just get fired for being insubordinate.

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3Nutty1(6 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Maybe they should dump Tablack and the three muppets!

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4havinmysay(155 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

The petition is ridiculous. In many ways government employees are like the "non-working, non-taxpaying, trash." They think they are ENTITLED to stay at high paying government jobs w/ cadillac benefits forever. Even when the government cannot afford to keep them any longer. They are not.

Sooner or later you people are going to have to stop blaming everything on welfare recipients. They are certainly an issue but they are blamed for EVERYTHING. It's ridiculous. Most of the problems in Mahoning County are a result of greed, nepotism, mismanagement, fraud, and corruption .

People in the county are not running from welfare recipients. People in the county are running from the lack of jobs and the feeling of living at the ends of the earth one gets from living in the Valley for too long.

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5SemperTyrannis(49 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

What is the only region which didn't prosper during the booming Reagan Years? The Mahoning Valley.

To that you can add most of the midwest and the deep south. In fact, the Reagan 'boom years' turned out to be elusive. Real wages declined under the Gipper and the middle class stagnated. A full sixty percent of the population saw no real economic benefits of Reaganism. 'Vooodoo economics' did have huge benefits for the top income tax brackets though. Just to add a little kicker, Reagan, the fiscal conservative,' left the country with a massive budget defecit.


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6Rokscout(310 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Like a broken record I sound, but here it is again. They are axing the Deputies, who make $11.00 an hour to work solo among this county's trash, locked in a big room. That's high paying? Not to mention many of them are kept at just enough hours to not get full benefits. Let's see some numbers as to how much money is doled out for welfare, and dealing with those on welfare who are endlessly reproducing and committing crimes......

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7UnionForever(1470 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Just say NO to the 1/2% sales tax in the election and force the county to cut the county employment to levels that it can afford and size for the current population decline. The overgenerous pay, pensions, and healthcare benefits for the public employees has to be reduced to match the budget income and what has happened in the private sector of Mahoning. The reduced Taxes will force reduced Spending. So far all we see is more taxes. When will the spending cuts be done? Vote NO and make that happen.

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8Springman(262 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

The Marcellus Shield can potentially produce jobs and tax relief along with energy. Maybe the tax collection could be replaced by a geologist.

BTW, does YSU have a geologist?

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9palbubba(809 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

More taxes is like having more storage spaces at home. You just keep a lot more unnecessary junk. The cuts in the Sheriffs department are just a "scare" tactic to get the sales tax passed. If that is how the commissioners "manage" maybe they do need to be ousted. Where do I sign up?

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10havinmysay(155 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

USA1, the answer is neither. A lack of jobs caused people to flee.

The welfare and drug culture sprung up after the jobs left.

You're scapegoating welfare recipients as the cause of the counties problems. It is not true. If you are looking for someone to blame for the budget issues, blame the stagnant county government.

The county should have streamlined years ago. This downward trend in population and revenue is not going to stop. This area has lost population for almost 100 years. We're a couple of decades shy of that. That trend has been consistent with the de-industrialization of the whole country. Industrial jobs have dwindled and continue to do so nationwide. It's just not here. There are many causes for that, but it's not welfare recipients.

They're just an easy target for angry people who want to blame other people for their problems and for people who need to look down on others.

The tax base is falling, yet the county has not decreased. Why? It's nonsensical.

County workers are there for the benefit of the people. There are less people so there should be less county workers. No one is entitled to a job with the county forever.

And just so you know, people can no longer stay on welfare forever, either. There is now a lifetime limit, as there should be.. So, the problems with welfare entitlement is being addressed. Taxpayers who keep voting down the sales tax increase is telling the county it's time for them to address their sense of entitlement as well. You cannot blame that on welfare recipients.

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11ytownredux(117 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Does the County need to curb spending, OF COURSE! But to add to that losing tens of thousands of dollars by ending a 1/2 cents sales tax that has been there for at least 5 years is irresponsible at best, and ludicrous and economy killing at worst.

NO NEW TAXES! But keep the 1/2 penny you spend or the 50 cents for every $100 dollars you currently spend. Get real, send a message with your vote for an elected official, not your vote a half penny you have already been paying.

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12RFederer(116 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Paulb hits the nail on the head. Unionism is a major contributing negative. There are no local leaders with the fortitude to fight the unions and make the valley a place in which capital will want to invest. The populace is barely educated. Technology is lacking here. Political and business leaders are corrupt and only out for themselves. Drug based crime is out of control in the city and the suburbs only care about their own boundaries. When the public sector jobs are the highest paying jobs, you can be assured the area is a cesspool.

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