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13 attorneys general sue over health-care overhaul



Published: Tue, March 23, 2010 @ 12:25 p.m.

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — Republican attorneys general from 13 states are suing the federal government to stop the massive health care overhaul, claiming it's unconstitutional.

The lawsuit was filed immediately after President Barack Obama signed the overhaul bill today. It names the U.S. departments of Health and Human Services, Treasury and Labor.

Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum is taking the lead in the lawsuit. Attorneys general from South Carolina, Nebraska, Texas, Michigan, Utah, Pennsylvania, Alabama, South Dakota, Louisiana, Idaho, Washington and Colorado are joining in. Other GOP attorneys general may join the lawsuit later or sue separately.

The lawsuit was filed in federal court in Pensacola.


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1onthetown(254 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

The Health Care Reform bill is severable - which means that if the "mandate" is ruled unconstitutional (and it certainly is NOT constitutional) - the rest of the bill will still stand.

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2JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Further down the list: Lionel Hutz from Springfield.

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3Nunya22(315 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

@USA1 The government has already been forcing us to buy stuff.

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4onthetown(254 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

@Nunya22

What have they already been forcing us to buy?

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5walter_sobchak(1909 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

The federal gov't has no power to force a citizen to enter into a contractual relationship with a private company. Powers not specifically granted to the federal gov't are reserved to the States or the people. George Mason and James Madison were fearful of a central government that could trampel an individual's life and liberty. Thus, they were chief architects of the Bill of Rights which grant nothing but expressly limit the power of the federal government.

"Tyranny is the exercise of some power over a man, which is not warranted by law, or necessary for public safety." - Noah Webster

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6Nunya22(315 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

@onthetown People who like to watch tv were forced to buy either new tv's or get cable or buy that converter box or you cant watch tv anymore in the comfort of your home. People who have kids are forced to buy car seats and booster seats if they dont meet a certain height or they will be fined. Lets say for some reason you don't want car insurace you get caught driving without that you will be fined or even get locked up. If you dont have a drivers license and you buy a photo i.d. that will expire that you are forced to buy a new one because some places will not accept an expired one. Everyone who works a paying job is forced to pay taxes for their hard working paycheck.

There are alot more things people are forced to buy or they will be fined or they will never be able to use it anymore because the gov upgraded.

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7FifthAve(168 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Those against the health care reform bill are against
a. covering children to the age of 26
b. preventing insurance companies from turning children down because of pre-existing conditions
c. preventing insurance companies from turning down adults who have pre-exisiting conditions
d. lowering prescriptions costs for seniors

Shall I go on? This is what the Repubs are against. They are not thinking about what's good for Americans....they only care about what's good for them. If they had their way, they would do away with SS by privatizing it. Historically, they have been out of sync with the rest of the country. Even during FDR's administration they rebelled. They voted against SS; they filed law suits. They lined up to run against Dems because of SS. They have always been the party of "No" to programs that will help Americans; and 'Yes" to programs that line their own pockets....forget the rest.

They are truly the "UGLY AMERICANS."

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8northsideperson(365 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

The insurance companies don't want to "compete", at least if "compete" means any hit to their bottom line, or anything that hinders their further growth.

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9onthetown(254 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

1. People have the option to not watch TV. Or watch TV online.

2. People have the option to not transport their children.

3. People have the option to not own/drive a car (also - this is state law).

4. People have the option to not have a government issued photo ID.

5. People have the option to not work.

6. People have the option to not use something when it is obsolete without upgrading.

The issue with the mandate to buy health insurance is that the only alternatives are to either cease to exist within the U.S. or pay the lesser of $695 or 2.5 percent of income.

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10walter_sobchak(1909 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

@nunya22:
The federal gov't has control over the airwaves. You also do not need a converter box to watch cable TV or to use your TV with a dvd player. Car seats are state mandates, besides, operating a vehicle on the public roads is a privilege, not a right. That's why you need a license, insurance, or proof of financial responsibility. The power to lay and collect taxes is a specific power granted to the federal gov't in the Constitution. Go ahead, try again and come up with something else I can swat down. And, yes, if I had my way, I would provide an option to any citizen to privately invest their payroll taxes. The FICA tax is a Ponzi scheme that if a private citizen were to attempt to do, they would be imprisoned! In addition, Lydon Johnson's Great Society has been a failure not to mention the waste and fraud that exists in the system.

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11northsideperson(365 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

onthetown: Yes, people have the "choices" you outline - but can one live in Youngstown with an acceptable quality of life under those circumstances?

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12onthetown(254 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

@FifthAve

Your lack of logic is blinding.

I am not against..

a. covering children to the age of 26
b. preventing insurance companies from turning children down because of pre-existing conditions
c. preventing insurance companies from turning down adults who have pre-exisiting conditions
d. lowering prescriptions costs for seniors

I am not a "Repub".

Nor am I an "UGLY AMERICAN."

This is why I feel the Health Care Reform package could be legit:

1. 30 million uninsured now receiving coverage in some form.

This is why I feel the Health Care Reform package may not be legit:

1. The mandate to purchase insurance (or pay a fine).
2. The mandate for employers to provide insurance (or pay a fine).
3. The failure to address the financial solvency of the Medicare/Medicaid system.
4. The failure to address (in any way) the prevalence of medical bankruptcy.
5. The failure to address (and actually it aggravates the issue of) the Medicare/Medicaid system's well-documented trend of increasing the cost of medical care for those covered by private insurance plans.
6. The federal government's general trend of mismanaging such programs (see Social Security, the current state of Medicare/Medicaid).

It's certainly not the end of the world / the sky is falling scenario. But it's definitely not the solution we're looking for.

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13onthetown(254 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

@ northsideperson

We're not talking an acceptable quality of life. We're talking about the Constitution - and the Federal Government forcing a citizen to enter into a contractual relationship with a private company.

Please refer to the previous posts by Mr. W. Sobchak.

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14Nunya22(315 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

@onthetown I don't think you get where I was coming from so I will explain to each of the things you numbered.

1. People have the option to not watch TV. Or watch TV online.

I said people who like to watch tv not saying people are forced to have a tv. Just saying people were forced to upgrade against their will unless they wont be able to watch tv in the comfort of their home.

2. People have the option to not transport their children.

True but you cant leave the hospital without a carseat of a newborn even if you dont have a car. But I was referring to people who have a car or decide to ride in a taxi who are forced to continue buying those carseats/booster seats when they don't want to for older children.

3. People have the option to not own/drive a car (also - this is state law).

I never said anything about people being forced to own a car just stated about people who dont own a drivers lincense having to get a photo i.d.

4. People have the option to not have a government issued photo ID.

Yes that is true but if you would like to get a job you need one and if you would like to buy cigarettes/alcohol or be able to get into bars/clubs you need one.

5. People have the option to not work.

That is also true but I never said anything in my first reply about people being forced to work. I was just saying the people who work a paying job trying to survive basically are forced having taxes taken out of their checks. But also if you are on welfare you are forced to work a job worksite or to find your own job to keep the food/cash/medical benefits going. Just added that in there.

6. People have the option to not use something when it is obsolete without upgrading.

That is true but alot of people love to watch their news/sports and other tv shows, so if they want to continue watching at home they were forced to upgrade when they really didn't want to.

The issue with the mandate to buy health insurance is that the only alternatives are to either cease to exist within the U.S. or pay the lesser of $695 or 2.5 percent of income.

I get what you said but do you now see where im coming from? There are plenty of things people do not want to pay for but have to by law, if they want to have the pleasure of using it, also if they want to survive.

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15onthetown(254 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Nunya:

Essentially, what you're already arguing is that those things border on being unconstitutional - as in the Federal Government forcing a citizen to enter into a direct contractual relationship with a private company.

Nevermind, man. Read Mr. W. Sobchak's posts. If you don't get it, you don't get it.

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16Woody(451 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

I love how they say we needed to pass this bill. It is a bad bill, it will cost more then it will save and we are soon going down the road to socialism in this country. An additional 1/6th of the economy will be controlled by the federal government. We will soon be paying more in taxes then we take home (combined federal, state and local).

There were steps that could have been taken that would have cost a fraction or what this bill is going to and not take away personal liberty, but they feel on deaf ears in congress and the white house.

Here was a better plan:
1 - Allow individuals to use pretax dollars to buy insurance. Give them the same tax benefits that companies get.
2 - Create pools for high risk individuals, grant subsidies so that they can get insurance at an affordable rate. This does two things. One, allows people who are not high risk to buy cheaper insurnace, as the insurance companies to lower rates for less at risk people. Two, allows access to affordable insurance to high risk individuals with some gov't subsidies (think Flood Insurance or Mine Subsidence Insurance).
3- Allow people to buy insurance across state lines, much like auto insurance now. This increases competition.
4- Transperency in costs. Allow the customers to know what the cost is for their care. Compare the costs and the quality.

God help and save our country.

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17Owlguin(49 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

I don't understand why anyone would not want to buy healthcare insurance. If they don't have it and go to the hospital, most times taxpayers pay for it. People are mandated to buy auto insurance - why can't they be mandated to buy health insurance so that they don't have such a large impact on my taxes? Does anyone actually think that the Senate and Congress would actually take this much time on a bill and not have consulted with legal authority regarding its constitutionality? There probably isn't one democratic atty. general who is behind this lawsuit. It has more politics behind it than substance.

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18Nunya22(315 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

@walter_sobchak That is true they control airwaves. I never said people needed a converter box to watch cable. I said people who like watching tv in the comfort of their home were forced to either buy new tv's, buy a converter box, or get cable if they wanted to continue watching the regular programs they were watching before the big upgrade. Do you know of some states where you can take a new born baby home without a carseat? And also do you know any states where you won't be fined for not having a child in a booster or carseat under a certain height if caught? If I am wrong I can take that one off my list of being forced by the gov. But that is true about driving is a privilege. You also have the right to obtain lincense and drive at the age of 16 and up until any changes are made on that age. You don't have to go get a license and drive a car, if you dont wish to depend on others but yourself, and also don't want to walk everwhere you are forced to get all the things needed to drive your car by law.

My main point is alot of people complain about having to pay for this and that all the time. We are forced to pay for certain things if we want to use it and even if we are not using it all the time. Do you get my point from this reply and my other reply to the other poster? I get what you said as well as the other person just try seeing it from where I am coming from as well.

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19Nunya22(315 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

@onthetown I do understand it's a difference between the things I stated in a somewhat comparison to this medical plan. My main point was just to point out there are plenty of other things you are forced to buy when you orginally never wanted to buy in the first place but have to to use it, or for someone else to get the pleasure of using it through paying taxes.

OffTopic
Alot of people still think they have all these rights in this country when they really dont.

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20walter_sobchak(1909 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

@nunya22
Thomas Jefferson said " The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time". We are, therefore, free to do whatever we want except for those things that we, as a collective people, say you cannot do. That is why we have laws. We are a nation of laws. The Constitution gives specific powers to the federal gov't and this is bill over-reaches this power.

I believe, however, it is possible for the federal gov't to assess a tax on us and create government clinics that we may choose to use. I would propose an across the board, value added tax to fund this. That way, all people would have to pay for these clinics which would be for the public good. Medical savings accounts are another good idea.

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21cambridge(3010 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

walter....When Thomas Jefferson said "the God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time" forgot to include the slaves he owned and the Native Americans he conspired to commit genocide against.

If he's one of your role models you might want to reach a little higher.

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22Nunya22(315 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

@walter_sobchak Some of the laws we have contradict itself.

Also I see almost every time I get on the vindy people complaining about their tax money going to schools, ssi, welfare, and other programs like it. Our government is not going to be able to please everyone all the time some people will just b**** and moan at everything no matter what.

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23walter_sobchak(1909 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Sorry, Jefferson was a man of his times. Slavery was an issue that the founders could not agree upon when the country was established and they knew it was for future generations to come to grips with it. And we did, as a country, abolish the practice of slavery. But, you can't deny that the republic that they established has worked out pretty good for everyone. (Well, except for the Indians; they keep on getting screwed every which way). So, because Jefferson and Washington owned slaves, I should ignore the good that they did for the nation? When the founders signed their names to the Declaration, they signed their death warrants from the British Crown. There are few men left like this in the world. These were men of substance and worth that put it all on the line for an idea! Yes, I will choose men like Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, Madison, Mason, Hamilton, Henry, Paine and the rest of the wretched refuse to use as role models. Please, don't try to teach me a history lesson for I won't suffer fools! You're out of your element!

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24cambridge(3010 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

walter....You choose to overlook the part about slavery and genocide and I do not. That doesn't make me a fool. It just means that you and I have different values in mind when we look for role models. I really don't aspire to be in your element to tell you the truth.

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25cover2(27 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

940 BILLION!!!! Where is the money coming from??? Every venture the government has its hand in is broke.

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26walter_sobchak(1909 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Cambridge,
Your ignorance is astounding. If not for the founding fathers, some of whom I named in my earlier post, how do you think our country would have turned out? There would be no USA. It is possible we would still be a colony of the British Crown but that has mostly failed. Do you believe the British would have treated the natives any better? Do you think they would not have owned slaves? That was the way of the times in the mid-1700's. You can't change history.

As for role models, who better than the founders? Men of means who put it all on the line. Many of the signers were killed in the Revolution, or lost family members, lost their homes, livelihoods, businesses, etc. So, you can choose your role models but I will stick with these men of character and integrity.

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27janitspace(94 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

@ Owlguin
I don't understand why anyone would not want to buy healthcare insurance

Someone like myself who does not have to "buy" insurance, as a veteran I go to the VA and pay an appropriate co-pay.

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28FifthAve(168 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

USA1

"Social Security is bankrupt. It's a bad investment. Can it compare to the ROI from a 401K?"

Many have 401K's that have lost a significant amount of money. If your retirement were solely dependent on your 401K, you might not be able to retire until the it recovers--say 10 years from now?

Repubs want to do away with SS and do away with benefits; where would we be if we had privatized, as Bush wanted?

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29Nunya(1356 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

This is preposterous,..

As a service for valley natives and all that view this board. Stay tuned because before I launch my own venue I'm going to prepare a response.

That will thoroughly explain this ordeal in specific detail in a manner everybody can understand.

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30Nunya(1356 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

@DJcolon

Messiah?

In the biblical sense you speak the words of folly.

Where in a more worldly recognition your utterance is fallacy filled and that of a lying fool.

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31Nunya(1356 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

@rudy56

You're an cross angled agnostic,..

Aside from your tom foolery foisting dishonest and or unfair practice isn't racially based you quibbling crud.

See anytime you've got a venue where something as vital as Health care and the expense is unduly inflated.

By way of law you've got a venue that needs to be stripped of Antitrust immunity from how it's so overtly preying upon the entire populous.

That's whats being done and it's not a racial divide as you'd like to allege. It's an extreme conflict of interest and survival as a collective country.

One of dire need and irrefutable merit you know nothing nobody,..

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32Nunya(1356 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

@USA1

I knew that tax was coming,..

See so would you have also known it had you been reading the measures in the bill aside from resorting to lying about it's contents.

See the reasoning is the UV rays from sun lamps in tanning booths are globally known to promote cancer.

Be apprised,.. http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010...

The same measure was taken by both federal and states to tax smokers and those that glutton alcoholic beverages that erode internal organs,.. how drastic huh?

Measures like those are also being implemented to avert parents from irresponsibly continuing to allow a unhealthy promoting.

Of their children to become obese and lay prey to developing diabetes, asthmatic condition, dental erosion and an assortment of other ailments.

Let me introduce you to triglycerides,.. http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/trig...

See this administration isn't playing god nor pharaoh like you're so falsely trying to contend.

They're not outlawing tanning booths, smoking, drinking or allowing you or your kid to favor becoming health taxing obese.

Yet those aren't healthy practices, they don't promote good health and they contribute to compromised systems which add to the expense of medical attention.

Kraft and Campbell's brands are making concerted efforts to lower the salt volume in their products. Which any physician will tell you high salt intake contributes to high blood pressure and cardiovascular disease,..

Pepsi and other soft drink manufactures are backing off their push of having their sweet drinks so readily available to children in schools.

Here's why,.. http://www.cdc.gov/HealthyYouth/obesi...

There's a healthy and unified push going on that's invoking fair practice and assisting in people having healthier choices as to not contribute as much to compromising or depleting their health.

See now having so fastidiously taken you to task. Now even as foolish as you posture. If in a conscious thought of progression and universal care can be found as a fault in any of that.

By all means complain away,.. but you'll make no sense nor change.

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33Nunya(1356 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

@paulb

As usual you're wrong again,..

Granted where I don't think there's many bills nor laws legislated that the general public reads. So for you to contend THIS is a bill or law that is some exception is pure partisan pandering,.. and very petulantly.

Unlike the historical practice of concealment that you never complained about before. Irony here is if you didn't and or don't read it it's not that it's not afforded to you

Take a look for yourself,.. http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/11...

There's been some refinements and it'll be posted in it's entirety prior to reconciliation within 24 hours,.. so keep your powder dry.

Also beyond that where states will have agencies to assist in patrons choices. There's not going to be any burden on the states.

See as of this measure having health care will be an individual responsibility,.. what part of that don't you understand?

So sure with all not being versed on the differences of coverages and seeking the best providers via cost and care range. There will be an influx of those needing and seeking informed assistance in making their choices.

But coverage providers and the many promotional leaflets and outlets will surely shoulder that load.

Oh and lastly,..

About getting their hand out of your pocket. See that's being facilitated as it's now your responsibility. To put your very own hand in your very own pocket to pay for your very own coverage,.. and even chose it yourself.

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34Nunya(1356 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

@lumpy

Clearly you've endured one lump too many,..

Nobody's being cited as fault and collectively we're all being address for our habits in these universal measures,.. and nobody's singling out the obese either.

See where you'd love to complain via your having been programmed to play partisan pinhead.

Yet from what I laid out covering the collective spectrum. You can't find a single morsel to feed off of so you take offense via your self induced disposition.

Now having duly informed you in that regard. It's up to you to more responsibly suck it up and more sensibly accept you're not being singled out,..

Thus as a respectful countryman no I'm not going partake in a tasteless opportunity to pelt you with any Genny Craig jokes either,.. I don't play for the gravy.

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35Nunya(1356 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

@paulb

How profound,..

Now that sensible reason has been presented to you in a fact by fact manner that you can't refute.

Now there's a shift of venue to speak of the history of past administrations for our current president to bear responsibility for,.. and for 100 years and he's a 1st termer who's not even 50 yet.

Let's not try to flip the script,.. but just the same.

In regards to the FDA and this presidents idea of change you might find this interesting,..

Check this out,.. http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/28969400/

In regards to the EPA and our current presidents posture on that,..

Take a look,.. http://yosemite.epa.gov/OPA/ADMPRESS....

In regards to our presidents accord with improving education,.. since you asked.

Take a good look,.. http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/issues...

So see now in an asked and answered manner of presenting fact over fiction and combined effort over mere complaining.

It's clear that if you individualistically chose to continue to be " confused ". By all means it's your choice and not to be cited as presidential confluence nor order,.. it's your right.

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36Nunya(1356 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

@paulb

Be it known I'm weighing in as a lifelong Independent. One whom doesn't play party favorites when it comes down to unjust representative, misguided values nor liability legislation.

I'm watching this president as closely as I've watch all the others. He gets no swayed favor by any stretch of the imagination.

There are some things I'm awaiting him to make good on. But thus far in regards to how he's progressing to methodically address and make good on what he's stated his values were and initiatives he'd fight for I can't complain.

He's not perfect and he's only one man as the president and not being a king he has to work within the established checks and balances of of democracy steeped government.

So with him being just over one year in office I'm actually amazed he's covered so much ground already.

To me and having listened to every proposal during his campaign. He's not wavered yet so thus far he's been better than campaigned.

I'm not a woman but I support equal pay he said he did too and immediately acted on it as law.

I was against the lies that drew us into war on a litany of lies. He said he was too and by august we'll be out of Iraq and making immense progress in Afghanistan,.. and have the accord of hunting terrorists with Pakistan.

I'm for making health care affordable to all countrymen. He said he was too and in the face of immense opposition he's making that happen,..

I'm for strengthening the education in public schools. He said he was too and on the back side of tackling this Health care reform he's enabled a cleanup to be exacted.

I'm not an advocate for abortion but with respect for women's rights and individual circumstance I'm a pro choice individual. He said he was too and he's fended off attempts from both sides to influence the Health care reform,.. the established laws remain in tact.

I'm not gay nor Bi sexual but I respect they have rights and I want it to be law that all others respect them as individuals. He said he did too and he's made it to where to seek harm to gays is criminal,..

Along with that with all else he's doing he's working to repeal don't ask don't tell just like he vowed he would.

I'm for reestablishing a trustful global accord with a warm handshake or iron fist. He's exacting that as one of the most honored executives we've ever had in office,.. even on the heels of the worst predecessor in U.S. History.

I'm for hammering terrorists and he said he was too. Where in just over one year he's exacted the eradication of more high level terrorists than his predecessor had in 8 years,..

There's a number of other things I'm in accord with this president and vice president about. For which I'm watching and awaiting.

Thus far without a single complaint aside from not allowing Dick Cheney and George Bush to be tried for the domestic treason and dishonorable war crimes they committed.

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37VINDYAK(1799 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Keith Oberman and Nunya must share the same household. They happen to be so proud of themselves for all their knowledge and continue to applaud themselves, they are so blind, they fail to realize the big picture. This juvenile behavior is so pathetic.

We are a country no longer united. We are a country headed towards a federal bankruptcy that will affect the entire world. China will overpower us. We will become the next Cuba as taxes and fees will restrict our income to survivor standards. Individual businesses cannot be profitable - only government-run businesses will prevail. I fear for my children and grandchildren, as their quality of life continues to be sucked from their very souls. Say so long to the Land of the Free. We are now to be known as the Land of the Fee and living in hard labor earning $7.00 an hour making shirts for the Chinese.

As I sit here and ponder our future, I think about our history and some of our past leaders that helped build the country we once enjoyed. What ever happened to these famous words, "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"? The words are still there, but have been turned around to say: "Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country will do to you!"

God, have mercy on us, for we know not what we do.

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38walter_sobchak(1909 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

VINDYAK,
Amen!!! We ahve no statesmen in DC anymore. The money and lobbying has perverted the system. The big government teat is now yielding soy sauce!

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39Nunya22(315 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

I knew this topic would still keep on going strong. Like I said before our government cant please everyone it will always be a select few that will b**** and moan about everything no matter what.

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40Silence_Dogood(1341 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

cambridge you stated

"You choose to overlook the part about slavery and genocide and I do not. That doesn't make me a fool. It just means that you and I have different values in mind when we look for role models. I really don't aspire to be in your element to tell you the truth."

In reality it is you that is doing the overlooking, if you did some SERIOUS reading on the life of Jefferson you would know the torment that haunted him on the issue of slavery.Jefferson knew the reality of the 18th century America and tried to change things as best he could.
Lafayette remarked to Jefferson late in life that "the slaves ought to be free; that no one could rightfully hold ownership in his brother man; that he spent his money in behalf of the Americans freely because he felt they were fighting for a great and noble principle".
Jefferson responded that the slaves would one day be free. in fact, Jefferson had given up on solving what he called "THE GREATEST ANXIETY OF HIS LIFE."
Ending slavery he stated would be the work of another generation. He " urged that every experiment to end slavery be tried".
Yes Jefferson made a compromise on the issue of slavery, but that compromise was NEEDED in order for the creation of a NATION. So don't look on the life of Jefferson as a self-righteous little school boy and ignore the times in which the Man lived and had to operate in.

Martin Luther King was a man of the cloth, a Religious man whe believed in the teachings of Jesus Christ, but he found it easy to break the commandments. All one has to do to verify this is to listen to the FBI tapes of him having sex with women that were not his wife. Adultry came easy for this man, but that does not change the worth of this man to our Nation or his value as a role model.

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41Silence_Dogood(1341 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

That should have read
"THE GREATEST ANXIETY OF MY LIFE"
Jefferson used the first person context.

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42Tomcat(202 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Liberalism is a mental disease alright. Sure hope all the states try to block this disaster. All the states need to use their power for many things this admin is trying to pull. Soon we will have no freedoms left. You libs need to read up on Hitler and Marxism. Your jaws will drop at the similarity of your Lord Master and his Court.

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43APlaw(45 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Penguin-- no... no you're not on 1 or 2. Don't even pretend that you're not a libtard because everyone has seen enough of your stupidity to know better.

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44APlaw(45 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Yes... it has to be partisan.... Doesn't it?

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45walter_sobchak(1909 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Penguinbird,
When the democrats had control of the Congress for so many of the years, what did they do regarding health care? Ms. Clinton tried to do something with her stacked panels back in 1993 but America saw throogh that ruse! And, as far as the republicans doing nothing during GW's term, the Medicare prescription program that was instituted is a Democrats dream! An entitlement that was never paid for!

Let's get past the name calling and look at the facts. The Constitution, the nation's highest ranking LEGAL DOCUMENT does not give the federal gov't the power to mandate a citizen to enter into a contract with a private company. In America, the Law is King and the power resides with the people, not with the gov't. Unfortunately, by the time this lawsuit reaches the Supreme Court, the system will have been on the way to being changed and we will have a real mess on our hands! The solution may be gov't-run health care facilities operating along side the current private system with insurance companies. The gov't clinics can be paid for with a national value-added tax. This would mean everyone would pay for the clinics. Congress does have the power to tax.

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46AXLE69(181 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Hey usa 1 pro-conservaterican,how did your teabagger "KILL THE BILL" plan work out? Whew,that took some real brain power to come up with that one eh? Oh,is it ok to use the word eh,or is that too Canadian socialist for you? LOL,LOL,LOL,LOL,LOL!!!!!!!

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47cambridge(3010 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

USEless1....You say that it's a lie that unemployment is falling even though the amount of people filing drops month after month. A huge improvement over the avalanche from the Bush/Cheney administration.

You say it's a lie that the stock market is rising even though the DOW is just under 11,000 up from 6,500 a year ago as a result of the Bush/Cheney economy.

You claim we won the war in Iraq. Tell me what we won for our 1 trillion dollar investment those hundreds of thousands killed and millions displaced.

I can't tell you how much fun it is watching you make a fool of yourself. Thanks for representing the the teabagger/neocon nation so well because it reminds people that when they vote Republican they vote the same way you do.

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48Silence_Dogood(1341 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

cambridge you stated
"USEless1....You say that it's a lie that unemployment is falling even though the amount of people filing drops month after month. A huge improvement over the avalanche from the Bush/Cheney administration."

I would like for you to track down a graph of a month by month filing for new unemployment. and compare it to when Barak Obama was elected. You will note a SPIKE assosiated with the election. You will be able to see the Business communities response to America electing a Socialist as President. Business responds to elections because elections matter.

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49cambridge(3010 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Silence_Dogood.....The unemployment in this country is the result of what happened before the election. It's called the Bush/Cheney administration

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50AXLE69(181 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

BREAKING NEWS for usa0 pro-teabagger, The health care bill is still law.Repeating,The health care bill is still law.Now back to the Glenn Beck show where he will explain how Barack Obama is really a reincarnated Mayan king who will end the world on 12/21/2012 and he has the birth certificate from Mexico to prove it. LOL,LOL,LOL!

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51walter_sobchak(1909 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

P-bird:
It is simple to say the democrats caused the passing of the health care bill because they were the only one's who worked on it and voted against it. The republicans voted lock-step against it so, if their will be blame for it, it will belong on the democrats. And, there most certainly be blame and it will resonate in November. Americans are in a pissed-off mood and it won't change between now and then. I'm not saying the republicans are correct in opposing the bill in its entirety. There are good points to it. But, when the mood of the country is like it is, it is good political strategy.

After 9/11, this country went into a tail-spin and I give G.W. credit for keeping the country on track and protecting it. You can't deny the fact, we have not been hit on our soil since. Unfortunately, our intelligence system was set up for a Cold-War mentality and has to be transformed to react to global terrorism. But, after 9/11, health-care reform was way down on everybody's list.

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