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U.S. representatives from Mahoning Valley praise passage of historic bill

Published: Mon, March 22, 2010 @ 12:54 a.m.



The Mahoning Valley’s two U.S. House members applauded passage of the $940 billion health-care reform bill Sunday night.

U.S. Rep. Tim Ryan of Niles, D-17th, called Sunday “a landmark day in our country’s history.

“After decades of debate, Congress has passed comprehensive health care reform that will benefit all Americans — including a tax credit of up to 50 percent for small businesses who provide insurance to their workers, and a $5,800 tax credit for families with a $50,000 household salary.”

Ryan also said he took notice of the opposition.

“I respect the viewpoints of those who have criticized this bill, but I can say with confidence that my vote today reflects the sentiments of my district — after receiving much constituent input.”

According to Ryan, the impact of the bill will be large in the 17th District, which includes most of Mahoning and Trumbull counties. He says the bill will:

Improve coverage for 355,000 district residents with health insurance.

Give tax credits and other assistance to up to 180,000 families and 12,300 small businesses to help them afford coverage.

Improve Medicare for 109,000 beneficiaries, including closing the doughnut hole.

Extend coverage to 39,000 uninsured residents.

U.S. Rep. Charlie Wilson, of St. Clairsville, D-6th, also praised the bill’s passage.

“Tonight marks the end of a very long journey,” Wilson said. “I voted for the Senate version of health care reform and for the reconciliation changes because together the bills are fiscally conservative, pro-life, good for my district and good for our economy.”


1plobbo(1 comment)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Your guys' comments are awesome. Did you hear John Boehner drank a barrel's worth of carrot juice before giving his speech? It increased his orange powers by 50%!

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2saddad(655 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

I hope their little brains explode

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3LtMacGowan(714 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Well Ryan just secured my vote.

Kudos on "got their teeth kicked in"


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4UnionForever(1470 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Yes, U.S. Rep. Tim Ryan of Niles, D-17th, Sunday is “a landmark day in our country’s history". It's the day that you will remember because in the fall election you will be out of a job. Tax and spend liberal DemoCROOKS like yourself will be gone. You never delivered the public option that matches your Congressional healthcare plan.

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5timOthy(802 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Way to Step up Ryan and Wilson ! Ryan I can't vote for you,but would in a minute now. Wilson you are in my district and you have my support for the up coming election period ! Way to GOVERN Representatives.

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6MD1533(25 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Ryan your out of here in November! Period! You'll See!

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7cover2(27 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Reach deep down in your pockets cause your gonna pay for this.

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8saddad(655 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Now do something about jobs and we can undo some of the damage done by the Republicans.

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9blkpride(186 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

blah blah blah the Republicans are the ills of our country. I am so tired of hearing that, SADDAD!!!!!!! BOTH parties are at fault for this country being the way it is right now. BOTH!!!!!!!!!

Now as far as the health care passing. DONT complain about your HIGH taxes. You will pay one way or another. THat is the reality.

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10ricnsherri(41 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

AHHHHHHHHHHH, On to the illegal immigrants...

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11Attis(1134 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

A House divided cannot stand.

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12Max(98 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago


They won't complain about their HIGH taxes, because they probably don't pay ANY! They probably don't have jobs, and now are getting free insurance (along with free everything else from this administration) on the backs of the hard-working responsible Americans who DO pay taxes.

I am totally sickened by the Obama administration and their arrogance.


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13PHISHIE(105 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

PHISHIE is in the building!!!

Does anyone know whether or not there will be enough doctors to take on 40,000,000 new insured patients. Also,consider that the new health insurance will enable others who had low end coverage to also have better insurance. You would think......that millions will be knocking on doctors doors who have not done so B4. Anyone know if there is enough docs?????

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14stain(27 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Silly rethuglicans actually think voting NO was a good idea. This will hurt them for generations to come.

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15sue(179 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Mahoning Valley:

House members: all Democrats
State Reps: all Democrats
County Commissioners: all Democrats
Sheriff: Democrat
Prosecutor: Democrat
Treasurer: Democrat
Clerk Courts: Democrat
Auditor: Democrat

Youngstown's booming economy can be attributed to multi-generational one party control.

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16PHISHIE(105 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Well perhaps, but the new Health Insurance law requires everyone to purchase health care...........so, of course the pool of insured increases.......but will there be enough docs to provide services to those who will now receive free coverage and those that had low end coverage and did not see the docs that often........anyone know?????

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17walter_sobchak(2713 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Don' t agree with gov't-run health care but this was inevitible. He who eats my bread will sing my song. The younger generations in this country believe they are owed something without having to sacrifice and work for it. Same thing here. Let the govt. provide this for me and let someone, anyone, else but me pay for it. The Great Society has been an abject failure as generation after generation continue to live off the govt.

Well, the gov't. teat just got much bigger but the milk will be very diluted.

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18PHISHIE(105 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Well perhaps, but again people like free goods and services. Taxes will not necessarily go up. The pool of insured will increase. After all the health care insurance is now mandatory. If you can not prove that you have insurance, you will be fined when you do your fed tax return. Therefore the pool of insureds will increase. The problem will be a shortage of docs. Which may lead to rationing, or most likely rationing is in our future. Some of the speciality medical fields already have long lead times for medical service. We need new docs. Can Obama get congress moving on a law that more people become doctors????? That should be the next important legislation.The U.S. also has to cut down on the number of wars that the U.S. finances. Or if the U.S. is involved in wars that other nations help finance the wars. That way, the U.S. will have more funds for Health Care needs.

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19Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Getting the focus off the economy and getting more tax money from the productive certainly worked .

Since there are no jobs for the masses of unemployed the next step should be to set up tent cities for those with no jobs who are losing their homes . The waiting list for public housing will compliment their waiting list for healthcare . If they catch colds a bottle of Vicks will be allotted monthly .


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20PHISHIE(105 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Ah, I doubt it. The health care pool will increase.........you may not pay more taxexs. What you will pay for is health insurace. Being it is now mandatory, I imagine you can name it a tax. However, perhaps Obama could get congress to pass a law that all the businesses that moved to China and Vietnam be highly taxed until the firms return to the U.S. Possibly, that could be Obama's next quest. Get U.S. firms out of the communist countries.

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21Woody(492 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

So long America. You had a great run, it was nice knowing you.

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22Woody(492 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

So long America. You had a great run, it was nice knowing you.

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23PHISHIE(105 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Most likely, however, it is not a matter of who is covered or not. There are different qualtities of health care. For instance a hospital or doc in the rural areas of WV, is not going to provide the same qualtiy of care as say care at the Cleveland Clinic or University Hospitals......etc. etc. So maybe Obama can get congress to pass a law that all U.S. citizens have the same quality of care.......You know like the care that politicians receive

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24Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

PenguinBird :

"Getting the focus off the economy and getting more tax money from the productive certainly worked ."

Pennsylvania and Ohio jobless are increasing . The Mahoning Valley and Shenango Valley economics are intertwined . Gasoline costs are rising . Food costs are rising . Clothing costs are rising .


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25northsideart(111 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago


Do you really believe that the employment situation has improved?


And yes, you did. You passed health care legislation against the will of the majority of Americans. You also managed to send 35,000 more American soldiers to fight a bogus war against Afghanistan. You must be so proud of how different you are from the neo-cons.

What's the difference between Republicans and Democrats? Democrats win peace prizes when they fight other people's wars. Republicans don't.

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26PHISHIE(105 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

PHISHIE.........hmmmmmmmm that is very doubtful. Equality is a very difficult goal in any society. The quality of care needs to be part of any true health care law for all citizens. It just might be so, that politicians, and other upper class people obtain higher quality health care services. Most likely what will happen is that the GOV will open low end clinics for the masses.........it is very doubtful that the masses will recieve Cleveland Clinic or Mayo Clinic care like the upper class....

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27howardinyoungstown(591 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

For all of you Republicans, Conservatives, Tea Partiers, Libertarians, and Independents that have been whining about Health Care Reform being the "End of the World", "the Socialization of America" and "Obamacare Ruins America", if you had spent that same amount of energy contacting the Republicans and telling them to get off their asses and participate rather than just sitting on those same asses and saying "No" we might have had a better bill and provisions that address some of your concerns.
Since you didn't do that and since the Republicans in Congress chose to be obstructionists rather than participate, my suggestion to you now is to "DEAL WITH IT" either focus your energy on things you can do to make it better, or move on to something else, or better yet quit whining and get on with your lives.

Now for some of you, your true colors are starting to show. Before the bill passed no one was saying that there weren't enough doctors to treat everyone when you add in 32-45 million uninsured (because that would sound greedy and un-Christian); but now that the bill has passed this is what you are whining about. Well my answer to that is that growing up hurts, we may have to make some personal sacrifices for the betterment of our nation, but it does seem selfish and un-Christian that you would rather have 32-45 million Americans not get any or adequate medical care so that you and your family won't have to make any sacrifices.

Shame on You!

As for Sue rundown of the elected representatives I agree one party rule of an area over the long term is bad; there should be at least 2 or 3 socialists representing this area.

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28ytownoptimist(86 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Thank you to all the Ohio representatives who supported this bill! It will take time to get things tweaked to adjust to the changing face of health care but the process has begun. Those who have not had health care at times in their lives can understand the importance of this bill. It is unfortunate that those who have been blessed with good health care & full-time jobs with benefits cannot empathize with those who have not. Can we please just move past all the vitriol, violence & immaturity (Tea Partiers) & work through the Democratic system that this country has?

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29CandyfromCanfield(172 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

This legislation yesterday would have never come to pass if the Republican party would have done something about health care in the past decades. Remember, the Republicans were in office 20 of the last 30 years. If the Republicans would have made this a priority, they might have had the bill they wanted. Also, might I add, the Republilcans never tried to work with the President on compromise. They were led to crushing defeat by their true heroes, Rush and Glenn. Congratulations to Tim Ryan, Nancy Pelosi, and President Obama for their courage and leadership. The Republicans screaming today that the sky is falling with come to realize in the coming days and weeks this legislation is good for all citizens of our country. It makes us stronger, not weaker to help those in need.

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30SemperTyrannis(49 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Newt Ginrich summed up the Republican view on the bill well: "“They will (the Democrats) have destroyed their party much as Lyndon Johnson shattered the Democratic Party for 40 years” by passing civil rights legislation."

Wow. The Republicans are still trying to argue that giving blacks civil rights was a travesty. That pretty much sums up where the party still is at: Civil rights are bad; medicare was a bad idea; social security was a bad idea. The only thing they prescribe are tax cuts for the wealthy and more defense spending. Sad...

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31cover2(27 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

You want a bipartisan solution to the mess this country is in. Vote them all out every one of them. Washington is so far out of touch with reality its beyond belief. Every politician is clueless as to what goes on everyday in this nation. Somebody explain to me how you have one on the worst crime rates, and traffic in a city where the Justice Department, FBI, CIA, and Department of Transportation are located? I still want to know where the money to pay for all of this is going to come from this country is already bankrupt.

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32CandyfromCanfield(172 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

This country wouldn't be bankrupt if Bush hadn't started a war we should have never fought. Where was your Tea Party then? Do you think Dick Cheney is still looking for those weapons of mass destruction? Please...don't use this as an excuse. It's laughable.

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33FormerYtowner(96 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago


On your way out, stop by Rush Limbaugh's place....I hear he's leaving too.

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34cambridge(4132 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

USEless1....Every time you post that some thugs "nearly killed him" lie I'm going to post the actual video. It looks to me like a confrontation where a few people get tangled up and fall down.

The guy your talking about can clearly be seen answering questions and doesn't seem to have a scratch on him.

I never get tired of watching you make yourself look stupid.


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35cover2(27 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Case in point Candy they are ALL out of touch and have been for years and years. Don't forget BOTH parties voted to go to war. Had they listened to Colin Powells reservations it never would have happened. BTW I am not a member of the tea party just one ticked off taxpayer fed up with idiots running this country!

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36northsideart(111 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

@ howard

we don't have to make personal sacrifices for the betterment of our nation. we have to make them in order to cover for the greed and corruption of our politicians. besides, we're already sacrificing for their boneheaded management of our lives. it's called the "great recession." perhaps you've heard of it?


if the burden of war is solely on the Republicans, then why did so many Dems go along with it? where were they when the protesting should have been done? instead of escalating the conflict and killing more people, why doesn't Obama end the war as promised?

Do you people really believe that one party is the face of "good" and the other the face of "evil?" One of these days you're going to wake up and realize that every thing you once had is gone. You're then going to realize that while you were bickering over who's better, Republicans or Democrats, Republicans and Democrats were getting together and working to enslave you. Have you ever heard of a little tactic called "divide and conquer?" You might want to look into it some time, it works really well.

the health care bill might work out great or it might fail. who knows? anyone who does claim to know is basically a liar. all i know is that it's served to absolutely kill whatever shred of unity and constitutional adherence was left in this country.

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37CandyfromCanfield(172 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Re: the country being run by idiots: During the years 2000--2008, I felt the same way as you do now. And while congress is, in many cases, out of touch with their constituents, this isn't one of those cases.

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38cover2(27 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

How can you say they are not out of touch with there constituents when AMERICANS overwhelmingly were against this bill!!!

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39Ken(153 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

It's done! Now, we wait and see if Health Care Reform (it should be called Insurance Reform) will be better than or the same as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, Postal System and
Head Start.
And, how about dealing with major issues like jobs and the illegals?

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40DefiantGray(3 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

So I assume everyone is happy of the department of "who" is going to enforce theis policy. The IRS!


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41walter_sobchak(2713 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago


Get ready! You ain't seen nothing yet! Obama wants to fundamentally change the way this country operates and with his minions in Congress, he will try to do it. Immigration is next, guaranteed. And, he believes everyone should have a job that the gov't will provide. Sound familiar?
These politicians are being dishonest. No doubt that Medicare will take massive hits. Doctors will no longer acceot assignment. And, who is going to treat these new patients? Most likely nurses and P.A.'s. My son was in pre-med but doesn't want to go thru all the studying to just work for the gov't. So, he will get a Ph. D. in biology and get a position where he can make good money not working for Uncle Sam.

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42Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

walter_sobchak :

"And, who is going to treat these new patients?"

You will be covered . Doctors will be brought in from Kenya to supplement the practitioners here .


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43StudGerbil(10 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Republicans will never be convinced that this is good for America. There are two main reasons for that:

1) Pubs claim that universal health coverage will bankrupt the US. There is a straightforward answer to that: other civilized nations have similar coverage and are not bankrupt.

What Pubs omit is that paying almost a trillion dollars fighting meaningless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are what have truly bankrupted the US, and Pubs were all for it because they love Bush and Cheney.

This brings us to point 2) Pubs hate Obama and Pelosi. It's ok, everyone hates Pelosi. She is easy to loathe. But Obama was elected by the people to bring universal health care to the US and he did so and the Pubs have been waging a fairly successfulu PR campaign against it since Day One.

People are generally stupid, self-serving and very short-sighted. That is what the Pubs specialize in and that is why they are so successful in conveying their message.

Obama and the Dems are going to bring the US into the 21st century, dragging Pub troglodytes with them, kicking and screaming all the way. Forty years from now, everyone will wonder what the fuss was about and Pubs will take credit for the whole thing.

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44Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Will liposuction now be available?


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45AKAFR1(322 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

PHISHIE..I have health insurance and in the last 20 years I have visited the doctor 1 time. Just because I have insurance does not mean that I will or want to go to my doctor for the sake of having it. As for the cost of providing health care, you are paying for it now. It is called cost shifting and bankruptcy. Those who have insurance or are able to pay out-of-pocket are paying for those who do not.

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46CandyfromCanfield(172 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Liposection, no...but mental health benefits, yes, most certainly.

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47Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

CandyfromCanfield :

"Liposection, no...but mental health benefits, yes, most certainly."

Perhaps then Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi, et al do have hope for themselves .

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48peacelover(839 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Studgerbil, what a great post! I couldn't have said it any better myself.

Say what you will about Pelosi, but she has been working hard to get this bill passed.

Funny, it took a tall skinny black guy with a funny name to accomplish what presidents since the days of Teddy Roosevelt could not. (or would not). This bill is WAY overdue.

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49northsideart(111 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago


Oh, okay, so you like that Obama sent 35,000 more troops to Afghanistan and that he bent over and supported bailing out corrupt banks with our money. No, he's not like Bush at all. How could he be like Bush? He's half black and has an African name (rolling eyes).

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50DefiantGray(3 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

famous quote from the bible, you give a man a fish (handouts), you feed him for a day, you TEACH a man to fish (get a job), he eats for the rest of his life.

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51northsideart(111 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago


yes, he accomplished increasing the control that the federal govt. wields over our lives by a thousand. you must be so proud. are you ready for your biometric ID card?

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52peacelover(839 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago


Oh come off it! How does helping people afford health care constitute control? Some of you are so paranoid! Move to Costa Rica with Rush if you are so against it!

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53CandyfromCanfield(172 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

You're right. Obama's not like Bush at all. He can speak in complete sentences.

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54DefiantGray(3 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

The IRS watchdog to monitor this healthcare and hire 15000 new IRS agents to seize your property when your medical bills get to high. The transfer of wealth. You foolish, foolish people.

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55northsideart(111 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago


It adds up to control because polls suggest that this bill goes against the will of the majority of Americans. It's also controlling because it's another way in which the government reaches into our pockets and tells us what to do with our money.

I'm not Republican or Democrat and find Limbaugh to be every bit as repugnant as you probably do. However, I fail to see how a "peacelover" like yourself can continue to support a president who endorses and escalates the wholesale slaughter of human beings...whether they're American or not. And no, I won't be moving anywhere. I stand and fight.

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56northsideart(111 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

@ candy

I don't support Bush or Obama. They're both neo-cons serving the same master. Your irrelevant comments about Bush won't change my mind, and I certainly won't retaliate by going into Obama's litany of gaffes, with or without teleprompter. If you'd like to get this debate back on point and prove to me how Obama's federal war machine is anything different than Bush's federal war machine, I'll gladly oblige. Until then, I'll assume that you have nothing to say beyond your hackneyed partisan cheerleading.

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57redvert(2239 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Mahoning Valley:

House members: all Democrats
Sue posted:

State Reps: all Democrats
County Commissioners: all Democrats
Sheriff: Democrat
Prosecutor: Democrat
Treasurer: Democrat
Clerk Courts: Democrat
Auditor: Democrat

Youngstown's booming economy can be attributed to multi-generational one party control.

Great post Sue, after so many generations of failure you would think these dingleberries would learn. But I guess that would be asking too much.

No single party has all the answers so why not try looking at each candidate (Pub ,Dem, or Independent) for once and actually vote for the best candidate, not just lock step for one party. Look at the last 30, 40 years, how has it been working for the valley?

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58CandyfromCanfield(172 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

I stand and fight, too, northsideart, and victory today is kinda sweet. Let me be clear....after Sept. 11, Bush led us into a war we shouldn't have been in. Iraq didn't train those 19 hijackers, Al Qaeda did. The Afghan/Pakistan border is where we should have been all along, not attacking and murder innocents in Iraq. Actually, I'm against the war machine, but for God's sake if we're going to fight a war, let's at least fight against the people who attacked us. northsideart, you say you are neither a Democratic or a Republican. So tell me, for whom do you vote in national elections? Or don't you vote? Because if you don't vote, you don't get the right to b*tch. I suspect you really are a Republican based on your arrogant and smug attitude. To get back on track, health care reform is overdue. And your comment is funny about the government reaching into our pockets for money. No one ever asked me if it was OK to fund the Iraq war. The government has been wasting tax money for years. I'd rather my tax money be spent to ensure affordable health care rather than earmarks like the bridge to nowhere....

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59Vote_Them_All_Out(13 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Hopefully, the people of the valley and this country will wake up and vote everyone out of office who didn't act as a voice of the people. We elect representatives to go to Washington and act as our voice. That clearly didn't happen so we must vote them out of office come November.

Yesterday was a sad day for this great nation. PERIOD!

The quality of care will go down, the cost of insurance will increase and our taxes will rise, how is that good for us???????

This area is so repressed and will continue to be as long as we continue to send the same awful representation to Washington to "act on on behalf".

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60peacelover(839 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

If by "reaching into our pockets and telling us how to spend our money", Candy is right, no one ever asked us if we wanted to spend billions upon billions of of taxpayer's dollars on war in Iraq. (that is why I am Peacelover). I, for one, would rather see my tax dollars used to help people here in the USA get health care. If you disagree with our elected officials, then vote them out. That is what is called a democracy!

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61drw122(35 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

You just gotta love the mentality of people from the Mahoning and Columbiana Counties. They have been slaves under the democrat party for so long they can't have to get their quotes from the party hacks. I wish those counties could have their own satate , They could call it the "Welfare State" They are always looking for a handout. Look what the democrat rule has delivered for you people. You're area is the armpit of Ohio and it's been like that for generations. Your leaders have brought you nothing but dispare and you continue to follow them like lost puppies. It's no wonder everyone is leaving this area. You guys are disgrace. Now go and see if you can get some more of that government teet!

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62APlaw(45 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Apparently, someone needs comfort.

I suspect that they need 6,000 postz to think that they're right.

Unfortunately, they simply can't see beyond their little partisan mind for the truth.

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63northsideart(111 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Dear Candy and Peace-

I feel incredibly unrepresented by our two measly, dead end choices. Look at a country like Holland where they regularly have 6-7 legitimate choices and new parties are constantly taking power. It's a country where holding 25 seats in a 150 member parliament can mean that you're the dominant party. It also means that you have to pass through a much wider range of ideologies to get major changes pushed through. In other words, it's far more democratic than anything that we have in this autocratic, phony two party system. I understand that things get complicated with multiple legitimate parties in the mix. You might actually have to earn your freedom by studying various choices! But come on, it's well worth it to have real checks and balances. And yes, I vote, but I certainly prefer to waste my vote on some well meaning outsider than contribute it to the agenda of those pampered Ivy Leaguers who have failed us time and time again. Question: When will you finally muster the spine to divorce the old establishment? There's no high like the high of true rebellion. You should try it some time.

It's understood that no one asked us to fund the Iraq war. Both Democrats and Republicans ordered us to fund it via the highly suspect federal income tax. Regarding Afghanistan and Pakistan, oh dear, isn't it convenient that the good ol' USA decided that the war in Iraq was all but finished just as it was time for Multi-Cultural Jesus to shift the killing fields to where they should have been in the first place? What a lie. They never made any mistake in going into Iraq. They knew exactly what they were doing. The goal is to control all of the Middle East. Now that they've essentially leveled Iraq and made life a wee bit safer for Israel, it's time to move the front to the next victim. Once we're done with Afghanistan, then we'll move over to Iran, etc. We'll be there for more than 100 years. This is a multi-generational conflict. You'll be paying out the keister for that "bi-partisan" war well beyond the grave. Sorry, but if you believe that Afghanistan can be secured without securing Iraq and every other hostile country in the region, you're nuts. There's no point in wacking one if you don't wack them all. There are 1.5 billion Muslims (25% of the world) who get highly offended when infidels lay their hands upon the heads of their Mohammedan brethren. This is a global conflict, far from being as simplistic and localized as you like to see it.

Regarding my smug arrogance, Candy, I suspect that's what you accuse all men of possessing when they come at you with rational, thoughtful, well communicated dissent in the face of your directives. No need to level insults, baby. If you really believe you're right, all you need to do is stay on topic.

Much Love,


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64CandyfromCanfield(172 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Not simplistic...but what's your solution? Do you propose killing all Muslims? The topic of this post is health care reform. Ummmm...you're the one who got off topic. And personally, I kinda vomited in my mouth when you called me "baby." In addition to all of your other fine characteristics, you're a sexist as well?

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65peacelover(839 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

For all of you so critical of any kind of government assistance or regulation in regards to health care, I hope you never have to face what I did three years ago, when I was diagnosed with cancer and had no health insurance whatsoever. "There but for the grace of God go I" .You know it just might happen to you. And just because you think you have good insurance, well, ask the lady who was diagnosed with cancer and her insurance company refused to pay for any of her treatments because they didn't consider cancer a "catastrophic illness". Or the other lady whose husband's benefits were capped halfway into his treatments for kidney cancer and he was dumped into hospice care. Ask all the people in this area putting on spaghetti dinners so they can pay for a few days' care for their kids who have cancer. This is reprehensible. We can do better than that in this great country of ours.

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66northsideart(111 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

No, I don't propose killing all Muslims. Absolutely not. I love Muslims and believe that they've been given a bad rap by the hypocritical western propaganda machine. But since I've actually taken the time to learn something about my world by traveling to Muslim countries and staying in them for extended periods, I suppose that my understanding of their culture is deeper than that of the untraveled local yokel that still squats in the Mahoning Valley, taking all of their info from the boob tube. I propose leaving Islam alone and being respectful of their culture when we have to deal with them. The oil trade is not an invitation for us to inflict our culture on anyone.

Candy, you're the one who got off topic by calling me names and assuming that I would be easily defeated by you bringing Bush's stumbling and bumbling into the discussion. Yeah, I know, he's an *sshole. Besides, the war IS related to this. It's a bill that we have to foot and it's real proof that Obama is a phony. The blood is on all our hands. Sorry, just the truth. The guy lied through his teeth to get your vote and that of many others. Try imagining what it's like living in Afghanistan or Iraq, having a family that you just want to be safe and happy, when one day Obama's 35,000 new world warriors come riding into town and start pillaging...and for what? It would be worse than the worst nightmare. Just remember, your favorite team might be in office, but those people over there are still people who live and love just like the rest of us. Try to remember that every time you want to deify his highness Barack Obama.

I suspected that you'd call me "sexist," even when I obviously referred to you as "baby" in an ironic manner that lampooned your stereotypical view of conservatives. Still, my apologies. I had you wrongly pegged as someone who might be smiling through all of this madness. I had no desire to offend, and I certainly have no desire to sling hate at a fellow human being, let alone a fellow American. I just don't roll like that.

Regarding health care, I suggest that you study up on why too much federal control in our lives is a bad thing. You should also look into things like state's rights and the Constitution. In my opinion, universal health care is a state issue that should be directly voted on by the people. I'm not opposed to health care so much as I'm opposed to the way it's been rammed down our throats minus public majority consent. That is bad news for freedom. I like getting what I want, but I prefer to get it with my integrity and freedom intact. At the very least, you should learn about this because the grapevine is saying that some states are going to sue the federal government in an attempt to block this legislation. You might be gloating now, but this fight is far from over. Oh, and they still need to reconcile the house bill and the Senate bill. Hang on tight...ba...nevermind.

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67cover2(27 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

For those of you that feel this is such a great victory please I implore you give us 1 just one example of anything the government has its hand in that is remotely profitable or successful. Just 1 I'll wait.

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68comeandtakeit(10 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Some of you people are making me sick. What ever happened to this country. Health care is NOT a right. You are suppose to work hard go to school get a good job and you can have good health care along with all the other perks. This is America not Russia we are not all equal. Why should I work hard to earn money, it just gets taken away by the government. Why should anyone work hard, the government will take care of you, just be a bum. What ever happened to working for something. It is so sad what is happening to this great nation. I will do all I can to make sure no incumbent wins in November.

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69sue(179 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

This is the final straw. I'm voting NO on every tax measure of every kind that comes on the ballot.

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70cover2(27 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Von I was going to say nasa was one success I had thought about but it to has had its failures. None of these are profitable the government has never made a profit on anything because they don't have to its your money not theirs and we just blindly keep giving it to them with no accountability. If politicians would run this country like a business we would be in much better shape, I'm a business person and if I can't afford to do something I hold off until I'm in a position to afford it. I have to make do with what I have not blindly borrow and do it with no certainty of success. We as business people have to struggle everyday with government bureaucracy that can put us under with one non-compliance issue. They hold you and I accountable but nobody holds them accountable. This country just spent billions bailing out banks and now 940 billion on health care where in the name of Jesus are they getting the money?

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71northsideart(111 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

10 states are already planning to sue the fed together. Virginia is planning to go after them alone.


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72cover2(27 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Penguin who is WE is it We the people or a just a select few?

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73comeandtakeit(10 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

USA1 great comment

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74northsideart(111 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

yes you did....aaaaaand...less and less people like you with every passing day.


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75northsideart(111 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

One of the reasons we need health care reform is because there are so many unhealthy children of adult age who have no idea how to take care of themselves and practice preventive medicine. These are the same people who go to the doctor because they farted. Shouldn't people be required to live healthy, drug-free lifestyles before they're entitled to the health care free-ride? If you want to give up your freedoms so that you don't have to do what it takes to get insurance on your own, you should be prepared to give up ALL your freedoms.

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76CandyfromCanfield(172 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Art, I don't deify Obama. I'd just rather drink his kool-aid instead of Bush's or McCain's. I hate the two party system. I hate the way politics works. I hate that millions are spent on tv ad campaigns and no one wants to talk about the issues. I hate the fact that a brilliant man or woman with creative, compassionate ideas could never be elected if he or she is fat/ugly/has no charisma. Good people won't run for office anymore, and I can't blame them. Obama's not my savior. I thought he was better than the other guy, and his beliefs were more in line with my own.
As far as federal control, it's my opinion that government control is needed. Look at deregulation in the airlines. That's an industry in a mess. Take the auto industry. I believe the government needs to regulate safety issues and CAFE/auto emission standards. And I also believe if there had been more government control on the banks, we wouldn't have had the collapse of Wall Street. Not sure how much money you lost in the market 18 months ago, but I lost about half of my retirement. It's coming back, but slowly.
But back to health care. This is what galls me....some on this board say health care is a privilege and not a right. Says who? You can do all the right things...go to college, get a good job, buy minimal coverage because that's all you can afford...and BAM...along comes breast cancer or liver cancer...and without health insurance or even with catastrophic coverage...you're screwed. A lot of people on this site demonize those who don't work and are considered "welfare cheats". Those people already have government insurance...it's called Medicaid! It's the people who go to work every day in low-paying and not-so-low paying jobs that get screwed. I know many people who have worked full time for years, who have gotten sick and been treated, yet lost everything in bankruptcy because of medical expenses. How does that scenario fit into your American dream? So why shouldn't government provide health insurance? And that...in a nutshell is why I support this bill. Health care isn't a right? What else isn't considered a "right"? Education? Safe food to eat and water to drink?
That being said, I would sincerely like to apologize to you...I appreciate the fact you wrote back respectfully and thoughtfully. I really do.
;) Candy

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77paulydel(1607 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

I hope all you US Representatives have new jobs to celebrate in November.

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78andersonathan(687 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Yes the great leaders this valley produces to speak for the people are COMMUNIST.

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79cambridge(4132 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

There are eight million Americans in California without health insurance.

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80northsideart(111 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago


Government regulation fails on an all too consistent basis. Look at Bernie Madoff. People were telling the SEC for years that this guy was crooked, that as an investor his success was the impossible equivalent of a major leaguer batting .950. They drew maps for the SEC that led right to his corruption, yet the regulatory agency failed to do anything until the market collapsed and Madoff's investors went looking for their money that he didn't have. Madoff and his feeders might as well have had "scum" tattooed on their foreheads. That's how obviously dirty they were, but greedy people allowed themselves to fall for it and line Madoff's pockets. They also thought that it was okay because the SEC hadn't done anything.

The American public needs to learn how to boycott businesses that only take from the community without giving back. We need to learn how to not do business with people who are essentially monsters. As hard as it is, I do my best to give as little of my money as possible to companies that don't treat their employees well. Any company that doesn't provide hard-working, full-time employees with insurance should not be able to find employees or customers, and any insurance company that doesn't give decent, honest plans, should not be able to find customers. See what I'm saying? As citizens, we have so much power together to punish greed and corruption without getting the government involved and giving THEM our power. But we're too lazy and too divided between Democrat and Republican, black and white, to ever come together and exact change, yet all of those differences that keep us apart are fundamentally illusions when compared to what we have in common...we're regular people just trying to get by. We've become everything that they want us to be; divided, conquered, and entirely powerless. I know that my desire for the public to exact change sounds outlandish and idealistic, but that's the way it's supposed to be. That's why we have the phrase which says, "power to the people."

One more thing about government regulatory agencies, they're capable of being every bit as corrupt as the private institutions that they're supposed to protect us from. How often do we hear of government regulators in a variety of areas getting busted for taking bribes? All the time.

By the way, you might want to read this article about Obama and his exorbitant campaign contributions from the health care sector. Whatever he's doing with this bill, he might share your ideals, but I doubt that you're getting paid quite as much as he is to promote them. I hate to be so cynical, but this tells me that the health care industry is the one who's going to emerge from this mess smelling like a rose. That's just the way the world works. We all have to serve our masters, even Obama.


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81Nunya(1356 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago


Lets do this quick,..

See with no prevarication let's dismantle the crux of your alleged pillar of opposition.

First off when Madoff was being pointed out you had a republican administration that not only headed that criminally aiding and abetting rendition of the SEC.

But with executive order that Bush / Cheney led pillage of the entire country campaign. Were themselves firing whistle blowers that were telling them about the multi million dollar fraud that Dick Cheneys Halliburton was pulling off.

See that's the facts and just like Dusty Foggo was handing mass corruption contract money out like croutons on Christmas and Jack Abramoff was selling inside tickets to the emperor with no clothes himself.

Sure that's horrid and factual but it has absolutely nothing to do with this Obama / Biden administration nor if government works or not,.. NOT AT ALL !!!

See your trying to put this administration behind the same republican ran high crimes criminal curtain that enacted all that dishonor,.. NO YOU CANT !!!

Now in regards to campaign funding it's true that some medical professionals contributed to the 2008 Barack Obama presidency campaign.

However health professionals such as doctors, nurses, therapists and others aren't evil doers. They see patients for a living and they knew that there was a need for a reform to be enacted to allow those that couldn't afford to be seen needed to be represented.

Right along with those HMO's, nursing homes and hospitals that were concerned about their inability to provide reduced or charitable services and stay afloat.

So yes there was an accord struck and they collectively and in total contributed what amounts to $20 million dollars in goods and services.

See this reform doesn't vilify Health care nor demonize Dr's, nurses, therapists, lab techs, HMO's, nursing homes nor hospitals either.

This reform is a measure of reigning in of costs and forging affordability doing direct battle with Health care brokers that has everybody over their barrel.

For which not a single Insurance broker donated a dime of that $20 Million to this president's election campaign.

So your convoluted conspiracy theory is as baseless as I find you a blivet of bluster.

Now you think you wanna try your silly little slanted tricks again?

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82YtownArtist(50 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Stan and Union Forever should start dating, if they are not already. my guess is that they got together some years back, and created little jimmy trafficant.

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83LtMacGowan(714 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

I'd just like to state again for the record.


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84walter_sobchak(2713 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

This could be a short-lived, hollow victory for Barry, Nancy, and Larry (aka, the Three Stooges). The lawsuit that the various state attorneys general has real merit. Nowhere in that Constitution is Congress granted the power to force a citizen to enter into a contractual relationship with a private entity. Thus, by virtue of our birth and sucking the air we breathe, the Congress is dictating to us that we must purchase health insurance from a private company or else be forced to pay a fine. Powers not specifically granted to the federal gov't are reserved for the States and the people. I sense a Judge Ailito smack-down coming!

"But where say some is the King of America? I'll tell you friend, he reigns above, and doth not make havoc of mankind...Let it be brought forth placed on divine law, the Word of God; let a crown be placed thereon, by which the world may know...that in America the Law is King." - Thomas Paine

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85Nunya22(315 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Do anyone have the percentage of the people that actually do agree with this plan?

Also to everyone do you trust online polls since someone can easily go and vote several times?

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86northsideart(111 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

@ nunya

I can't even understand what you're saying beyond your accusation that I'm practicing voodoo or something.

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87mbrosh(7 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

i love the comments that bash president obama. at least 90% percent of you people probably never even went to college and have no itellengence on anything. infact you probably have had the same slum job living in the same slum house for years and you expect someone else to take care of you because of the fact that your just as lazy as the next guy. im glad im making something of myself and graduating YSU in may so im able to take care of myself and actually do something with my life instead of crying how hard life is

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88northsideart(111 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Good thing they don't make you pass a writing test before you get your degree at YSU. There's nothing worse than a guy who questions people's intelligence when he can't even properly spell the word "intelligence."

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89CandyfromCanfield(172 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Hey Art...I went to the web site. Interesting. Also, I liked your comment about "power to the people." Maybe it is time for another revolution....At any rate, I'm just curious...what do you read and where do you get your information? The idea of patronizing business/corporations as you suggest is intriguing.

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90saddad(655 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

You like that line dont ya Bird? Me too.

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91saddad(655 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Dont worry USA1-the healthcare issue will be revisited and real socialized medicine passed within a year or two.

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92VINDYAK(1824 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Mark my words. We are now on our path to destruction of quality of life here in the states.

We are a country no longer united. We are a country headed towards a federal bankruptcy that will affect the entire world. China will overpower us. We will become the next Cuba as taxes and fees will restrict our income to survivor standards. Individual businesses cannot be profitable - only government-run businesses will prevail. I fear for my children and grandchildren, as their quality of life continues to be sucked from their very souls. Say good bye to the Land of the Free. We are now to be known as the Land of the Fee and living in hard labor earning $7.00 an hour making white shirts for the Chinese. More and more businesses will fail. More and more businesses will be forced to go off-shore to survive. Tax revenue will drop, we will continue to borrow until there will be no one left to borrow from, then we implode.

As I sit here and ponder our future, I think about our history and some of our past leaders that helped build the country we once enjoyed. What ever happened to these famous words, "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"? The words are still there, but have been turned around to say: "Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country will do to you!"

God, have mercy on us, for we know not what we do.

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93Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago


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94Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago


I love politicians just inflicting random rules on the private sector. Who knows what will happen? It’s wacky fun!

So there are people out there who honestly think this health care bill is the sort of thing the Founders would have liked? Like the Founders were about to add all these free goodies to the government, but there was a sale on powdered wigs and they forgot?

New Obama campaign: What freedoms would you give up for a Klondike Bar?

Obama will take his 20 pens and hide them across the world. The only way to undo the bill will be to find and unite them.

True fact: “This is a big @#$%ing deal,” is what Stalin said to Lenin on the creation of the Soviet Union

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95northsideart(111 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

@ candy

I'd suggest going to grad school in the humanities and experiencing what it's like to be forced to regurgitate liberal dogma by a bunch of privileged, mediocre, over-educated professors whose self-hatred is only super-ceded by their hatred for the hand that feeds them. Examine their absolute cluelessness as to how the real world operates. Note that anyone with contrary ideas is silenced and that free speech does not exist in any way, shape, or form. Try not to puke as they try to pretend that they're NOT huge beneficiaries of everything that they refer to as "oppressive." It's a perfect reflection of modern America. When you're done, go and study opposing arguments to what you learned in grad school and realize that everything you were taught is at best half-truths and at worst total lies. On a positive note, you'll learn how to do research and find all kinds of stimulating information. Apparently, YSU has programs that will let anyone in.


not sure what i did to incur your wrath, but it seems to me like you're not exactly in a position to be choosing your allies based on their social positions. i'm against the health care bill.

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96andersonathan(687 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

All Communist.

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97Nunya(1356 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago


Clearly you're not versed on the U.S. Constitution and I'd be willing to bet. That you don't even have a clue on the articles orchestrated in communism nor the meaning of Communist.

Prove me wrong,..

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98atowngrad(21 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

What happened to the pre-election promise(s) by Obama?

Obama said that he "will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days."

He has signed both the credit card bill and health care bills without public opinion.

If an applicant would lie on a resume or application to get what they wanted and an employer found out, would they or would they not typically be terminated or relieved of their position? Why does the POTUS not have to follow with these same ethical obligations?

We need to demand the abolishment of the Electoral College and turn to the popular vote for all elections as well as amending the election rights of our President to hold them to the pre-election promises that they all make to get the votes and barely ever follow through with. If they vary from their path then they should be able to be impeached or thrown out of office.

We will never be able to stop all "lying" for lack of a better term but it should be a good step forward in upholding the Constitution (if there even is one anymore) and to ensure that the people of the once greatest nation in the world are properly represented.

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99cambridge(4132 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

USEless1....Your telling that same lie again about Illegal aliens and now also about death panels.

The part of the health care bill that excludes illegals is in the link below and I'm going to post it every time you tell that lie.


And your lie about death panels is proven by FactCheck.org in the link below and I'll post it every time you tell that lie.


Like I've said before you a great job of representing the neocons and teabaggers. Keep up the good work.

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100andersonathan(687 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Article 42. Citizens of the USSR have the right to health protection.

This right is ensured by free, qualified medical care provided by state health institutions; by extension of the network of therapeutic and health-building institutions; by the development and improvement of safety and hygiene in industry; by carrying out broad prophylactic measures; by measures to improve the environment; by special care for the health of the rising generation, including prohibition of child labour, excluding the work done by children as part of the school curriculum; and by developing research to prevent and reduce the incidence of disease and ensure citizens a long and active life.

Health Care is not covered in our bill of rights or our constitution.

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101cambridge(4132 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

USEless1..... Yes I am calling you a liar and I provided proof. Provide a link where Obama said he wanted to legalize illegals. You can't because it doesn't exist. His immigration plan is the same stupid plan that Bush, McCain and every other politician I've ever heard of with a plan has.

That's a completely different issue than you continuing to tell the same lies over and over again no matter how many times someone posts proof that you lied. Aren't you ever embarrassed?

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102northsideart(111 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago


Here's an NY Times article that claims over and over again that Obama has said that he wants to provide amnesty. Whatever the truth is, you really can't blame anyone for believing that he's about to screw us again.

QUOTE from article: "But, he said, immigrants who are long-time residents but lack legal status 'have to have some mechanism over time to get out of the shadows.'"


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103cambridge(4132 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

northsideart.....I do not agree with Obama or any other politician on their plan for immigration reform. His ideas are identical to what Bush proposed and what McCain proposed when he ran for election.

When people think of illegals they think Mexicans cutting lawns and cleaning houses. That's a myth. Illegals are here from all over the world and more than 40% are people with expired student, work and tourist visas that entered the country legally but didn't leave when their visa expired.

Legalizing the people wont solve the problem of people coming here.They come her for jobs. The only solution to this problem is to fine the people that employ the illegals. Second offence double the fine on these employers, third offence the employer spends some time in jail.

If these employers that are exploiting these immigrants and Americans alike face the possibility of jail they will stop hiring these people. With no possibility of a job the illegals would stop coming and the ones that are here would leave.

By making the illegals that are here legal it only encourages others to do the same. And by the way, I am for legal immigration.

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104northsideart(111 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

According to the New England Journal of Medicine, 46% of family practitioners will leave medicine or consider it if this bill actually comes to fruition. It's believed that between now and 2018, we'll need 20% more physicians. Admittedly, this poll was conducted back in December, but still, just imagine if only 10% of the physicians who said they'd quit follow through on their promise when we need to be increasing the pool of doctors, not reducing it. We'd still be royally screwed. Wreck the economy. Wreck health care. Wreck the culture. Wreck America.


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105AXLE69(181 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Hey usa 1 pro-conservaterican,how did that hopey,changey,"KILL THE BILL" strategy work out for ya? LOL,LOL,LOL,LOL,LOL,LOL!!!!!!

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106LtMacGowan(714 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

"This is the first step to Sovietizing our government. This is Socialism and will destroy our great nation and will add a heavy tax burden to the people which will stifle economic recovery" is this a quote about Healthcare reform? No! Its a quote from the Senate on debate of the SOCIAL SECURITY ACT Of 1935.

Seems like they constantly use the same old scare tactics.

Any bill that gets Insurance Companies so worried that they spend hundreds of millions of dollars on advertisements and campaign contributions is something thats good for the little people IMHO

YES WE DID! (Kick the GOP's hind side)

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107andersonathan(687 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Lets just say it is a finial nail the coffin then. And by the way how has SS turned out?

And just remember the government run Medicaid right now is the largest insurer with the highest refusal rate out there. So good luck when you need it.

Need to loose the Lt. if you can not tell when the commies are at your door

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108AXLE69(181 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

BULLETIN FOR usa0-pro-teabagger from the EIB Network.........Standby usa0.............Dateline,Washington,D.C.,.........The Health Care Bill is still law,repeating......The Health Care Bill is still law.....Now back to The Rush LimbAugh show live from Costa Rica.LOL,LOL,LOL,LOL!!!!

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109Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 3 months ago



VAT it's the ultimate cash cow. Obama will need it. By introducing universal health care, he has pulled off the largest expansion of the welfare state in four decades. And the most expensive. Which is why all of the European Union has the VAT. Huge VATs. Germany: 19 percent. France and Italy: 20 percent. Most of Scandinavia: 25 percent.

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110andersonathan(687 comments)posted 6 years, 3 months ago

This is just lovely a tread being run by communist that can not come up with a original thought till their leader Obama farts.

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111andersonathan(687 comments)posted 6 years, 3 months ago

Wow the Democrats are the Party of Hate. Do you even read your posts? Or do you just ramble on of how you kicked butt.

Either way your setting a fine example of why should we even begin to work together on anything. So since you have the votes go for all the Socialism you can because in November the numbers are going to Change and you find that nothing being done for 2 years is better than what is going on.

By the way your a Communist.

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112Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 3 months ago

PenguinBird :

If the republicans would have done their job and reformed health care during the Bush administration we would not have been faced with Obama's reform bill. The republicans did what they stand for. NOTHING."

Bush did far too much spending and if he raised taxes then you would have been happy . Obama will now fill that void of happiness that Bush didn't fullfill when the VAT kicks in .

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113Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 3 months ago

PenguinBird :
"then tell me what this weeks winning Lotto numbers are going to be"

Your lottery ticket will be as valuable as your experience paying for Obamacare .

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114Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 3 months ago

Let's get past the BS bird . . ..


Dow Jones Newswires | Caterpillar Inc. said the health-care overhaul legislation being considered by the U.S. House of Representatives would increase the company's health-care costs by more than $100 million in the first year alone.

"We can ill-afford cost increases that place us at a disadvantage versus our global competitors," said the letter signed by Gregory Folley, vice president and chief human resources officer of Caterpillar.

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115AXLE69(181 comments)posted 6 years, 3 months ago

Breaking news for usa0 pro-teabagger.........Dateline Washington D.C........The health care bill is still the law.Repeating,The health care bill is still the law.Also this just in,Barack HUSSEIN Obama is still President and Commander-in-Chief...........Now go outside and fly your flag upside down usa0.That is what you teabaggers are famous for,correct?

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116andersonathan(687 comments)posted 6 years, 3 months ago

Lets just make that 220 communist, 219 Congressmen and 1 Bird.

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117andersonathan(687 comments)posted 6 years, 3 months ago

One word for you Bird it is called "DEFUND" remember that

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118walter_sobchak(2713 comments)posted 6 years, 3 months ago

Your Myth #1 is fact #1. We do have the best health care system in the world, it is just also the most expensive health care system in the world. I would think infant mortality is high due to drug and alcohol abuse. Our life expectancy is more due to lifestyle (smoking, drinking, sedentary ways,) more than anything. Immunizations are readily available and cheap, if not free. Many choose not to give them to children because of the side effects that are alleged to occur. And, no doubt we are high on the list for many diseases, especially diabetes. Once again, lifestyle! Just because you have "free" health care doesn't mean you are going to live longer. Time and again, people are diagnosed with emphysema but continue to smoke. Sooner or later, it will catch up with the people in Asia because they sure do like Marlboros!

This health care bill will be tested in the courts and will be declared unconstitutional since the Federal Gov't has no power to force a citizen into a contract with a private company! They could pass a tax, however, and create a single payer system. But, that would be political suicide and Congress knows it. It is quite possible that the republicans could gain control of Congress in 2010 and vote not to fund the system recently passed. Whatever the case, yes you did and no, it ain't over! The power still rests with the people as Obama will soon find out!

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119drw122(35 comments)posted 6 years, 3 months ago

What we need to do is peacefully comfront these liars and cowards and debate them on what they voted on. One of the cowards will be in East Liverpool Friday the 9th at the Broadway Wharf. Good Ole Charlie Wilson will be in East Liverpool at 1:30 to speak at the river sweep ceremony. We need to get as many people as possible there to confront him on why he lied to us about O'bama Care. He told me that he would not vote for it if it raised my taxes and if it allowed federal funding for abortions. We all know that it does both. It's time to fire Charlie Wilson. So bring as many people as you can to East Liverpool tomorrow and let the coward know how you feel. Remember it is at the Broadway Wharf in East Liverpool at 1:30.

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120borylie(949 comments)posted 6 years, 3 months ago

Just because the republicans did nothing doesn't mean the liberals/democrats/communists needed to do worse. It would be like in a football game and in 40 attempts you don't gain a yard. So you throw an interception to stop the streak of no yards. This plan could of been a whole lot better as it had to be shoved down the throats of the democrat led congress and the American citizens. And it wasn't a case of misinformation out there, because One and Done gave many speeches and had ample attempts to sell his plan. Poor salesman or poor product?

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121VINDYAK(1824 comments)posted 6 years, 3 months ago

Wow...after reading all this crap on here I have come to the conclusion that people never learn. Those who gloat, will get the goat. Those who rub others the wrong way with spouts of spittle and food particles just for self gratification will eventually either die of a heart attack or die of shock from defeat. Remember...people are watching...and they vote.

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