Youngstown schools to get stimulus funds

Another waste of taxpayer dollars that the Federals don't have. More DemoCROOK tax and spend programs that won't work. Until the parents of the kids in the Y-town schools get involved in their kids education, nothing is gonna change because of money. The total lack of family moral values among the black majority inner city is the root cause of the education failure and money can't fix that.

Good morning Union Forever...

I agree that families need to be more involved in their childrens education, and the decline of moral values is a cause of many problems.

It is not limited however to the "black majority inner city" . (I think I know what you were trying to say.) The decline of moral values runs across all races and socio economic profiles, mostly because our children do what we do, not what we say.

Blaming the decline of education on the "black majority inner city" would be like blaming the decline of General Motors on the majority of its union members. I dont thinik either comment is fair, balanced, informative or constructive.

Youngstown Public Schools are graduating people who could run Youngstown Public Schools.

For Joes

The too numerous to count mistakes in your post are a perfect example of the education problems in the Mahoning Valley. By "fill" did you mean feel? And by "waist" I'm guessing you meant "waste" as in the value of your post?

More money we can borrow from China to throw at a failed system. This money will only add positions to the failed system we have and when the funding stops the positions will still be there to add to the deficit we have. The presidents recent lowering of standards will improve the rating, not because the education has gotten better but the standards were lowered. The teachers union has already shown they do not care about the level of education.

Now not only do your property tax dollars and your state tax dollars go to the schools, now your federal dollars are going to the schools. Keep on throwing money at the problem, that always and always and always works.

There are some things that no amount of money can fix. Until there are changes in public attitudes regarding personal responsibilities, the school district and city will continue to fail.

It's actually very sad.

So why don't we just close the Youngstown School system and not give a damn! So many want to throw away these kids' opportunity to learn. You have all the answers. Why don't you show them how to improve the system. I am a product of the Youngstown School System. I believe I got a quality education and I continue to get a quality education at YSU. Yes, there needs to be more parental involvement in Youngstown. There is a cycle going on and it needs to be broken. However, these children are the future. They need every opportunity afforded to them to learn. Not all programs will work. Not all children will "succeed" but that does not give you or anyone the right to take away their opportunity to learn. Instead of placing blame on others, do something to help correct the problems (starting with attitudes about these children). I am not saying change doesn't need to be made, because it does. This starts with peoples' peception that all kids in Youngstown are doomed to fail. There will be many to succeed and I promise you those are the ones that will make a difference in our tomorrow.

As an up-close observor, I can say unionforever and letstry are partially correct. It is an error to blame all black people. The moral problem that undermines education as mentioned by mufasa is that a large group of inner city residents, mostly black, subscribe to the values of the culture of crime, exploitation and abuse of each other and the society as a whole. I don't believe this is the majority of residents. There are many fine and upstanding black people with good kids. They are being trampled by the criminal counterculture. They are deprived of an education by their rotten little disruptive antisocial peers. These disruptive kids are not thrown out because they contribute to state funding. Unfortunately the good group often tolerates what the bad group does out of fear or sympathy. Crime witnesses are hard to find. Condemnation of bad behavior is much less common than the bad behavior itself. The antisocial subculture has succeeded in changing the standards so that what would have been a school expulsion behavior in the past may now be overlooked or just receive a verbal reprimand. Cellphones in school are forbidden to be used but use is often tolerated. Parental neglect and abuse are so common that CSB picks and chooses their cases. Truancy is tolerated now as never before. Fathers are predominately absent, busy impregnating new gulliable women. Only the good black people in the city can influence the bad. The rest of us contribute according to our occupation but remain pretty much spectators when it comes to reforming the morals of the large antisocial group. PS I am more concerned with the ideas than the spelling although I wish they would correct spelling. A person can be intelligent and spell badly.

Palbubba - you are right that a great deal of the money will go to hiring or maintaining friends and relatives of administrators and board members, who have put in many requests. And, you are right - those people never go away as long as their sponsor-protector is still exerting influence. However, you are wrong about the teachers. There you are buying the administrators' line. The union has resisted some "reforms" because they violate both the contract and common sense. The idea, for example, that administrators should assign the more successful teachers to bad schools would hurt morale and result in all their special buddies getting the best jobs while hard working teachers would be pushed back to where they started. If administrators were fair and honest, there would be no union. An important function of a contract is to see that experienced professionals get advanced instead of the administrators' relatives. That is the same reason there are civil service exams, to prevent favoritism. The teachers in Youngstown suffer greatly trying to counter act what the kids learn at home and in the street. Do not assume that teachers get full support from their principals. They do not for political reasons. I would invite you to volunteer in the schools and see for yourself whether you could control and educate the difficult kids. Anybody can teach in St Christines or Canfeild but only the bold and brave survive in Youngstown.. You shouldn't comment on what you obviously know so little about.

@UnionForever

You're perpetual ignorance,..

See in this instance you speak as though democrats are crooks when the factual numbers so your clan has a historic and current lock on presenting mass corruption,.. that's fact.

Right in conjunction with piously angling as if " Black majority " inner city schools. Are thee only places where getting through to youth is a challenge,.. that's a lie.

Also funding doesn't teach children merely by the dollar. Those dollars affords books, teachers, programs, learning aides and activities that better support teaching be bolstered and or even possible.

With your being so consistently wrong and one sided in floating your fables of fallacies. I find you and those like you priceless in referencing those like you when getting through to children, teens and fellow Independents. Stressing how easy it is to think, know, do and accomplish beyond you and your scope and leave you behind.

See the barrier for many is actually taking time out of mind and focus to try figuring out what on earth makes you the way you are and expend far too much mind matter wallowing in the mud with you trying to argue with, educate and or transform you.

Where clearly it's of no use and simply knowing you exist is enough. But in way of the focus required to truly get things done you're irrelevant. You only matter if we relent to accepting your ignorance as in anyway pertinent to what we desire to accomplish.

Be away if you think us tuning you out now gets you upset. I think you're in for another intolerance education in the forthcoming elections. See as people and Americans the enrichment of life is within caring about others along with caring for ones self. It's not " Us against them " or trying to forge a divisive superiority or inferiority against another being nor body of them.

Thus since you don't respect that nor bear any accord with those of us who do. It's clear you're worthless to any effort of establishing a more perfect union to be the best we can all be and propel our neighborhoods, communities, cities, states and country as the best on earth.

Which clearly that's not your interest, focus or desire wanting to perpetuate conflict. Thus the more you speak and make that conclusive it's making a measurable impact on getting others to realize we'll have to advance and prosper without you and those of the ilk you dwell in as mindset,..

See things and people become extinct when better methods, products and manner are discovered to work. Where in having success in emphasizing that as Americans with values and interests differing from you.

As the majority we're working together on any and all issues of refinement and resolve without you,.. and so what you don't like it.

Nunya - way to go for community unification and getting rid of conflict - a lengthy string of insults and taunts. At least thats what I think you said. Some people here seem to be addressing their comments to what they think people represent more than what people actually said. Its better to discuss just what people say, not what you think they mean or what you think they represent. .We are people not symbols or representatives of our race.

@ palbubba

You're flat out lying again,..

The academic standards haven't been lowered there's been sensible changes made to the failed program he inherited and those teachers and students had forced upon them.

A program that was intentionally underfunded and thus wasn't allowed to be evaluated more quickly to deem it a universal failure.

The changes made is averting the failed focus that was placed upon median curriculum to continue. An emphasis that didn't gauge intellect and geared to the false sense of evaluating how well students could herded through the system via memorized test as the standard.

See clearly you're one who'd back lying the country into more wars for private profit. A direction so malicious it resulted in mass losses of life and so malign that it fleeced us to such a degree.

That this China debt you're now speaking of had to be mortgaged with a record deficit IOU. In order to pay for a grand sum of treacherous robbery committed by your brand of executive extortion employing torts to break treaties going on a rampage of unfettered treason,..

Thus is what so unquestionably makes you and your brand intolerably irrelevant now,.. Pal?,.. Bubba?

I don't know what she is saying. "be away if you think us tuning you out now gets you upset". I do not know what that or any of her writing means. Her writing is a vote against more funding for the schools. I see "gauge intellect" is mentioned. Most see that as an excuse for low scores. It is never used in schools with high or even decent scores. I think this must be some kind of joke post, and I wasted my time answering.

Unionforever wants to unionize every single business possible yet he hates Democrats??? What kind of union did you work in?

@ratboy

Stop sniveling already,..

Knock it off you insignificant nobody. Because in contrast it's unquestionably clear that your own egregious lack of intellect insults you and that of mine humiliates you,.. hows that for dissecting?

Which in and of itself deems you're too irrelevant to anything of any pertinence to even allege your time being wasted,.. you ridiculous rodent.

Oh and in regards to being the butt of the joke post,.. you're it !!!

Now go run tell those whom had you so mislead to believe you'd even remotely be taken seriously by someone like me.

So you tell them that they flat out lied to you, you were stupid enough to believe it and I just effortlessly proved it for the fun of it all.

Now pay attention there dumb dumb and don't let them fool you like that again,.. LOL !!!

How bad are these schools when there are alot of people who graduated from these high schools and went off to college and working in very professional fields?

Yeah they could be alot better but believe it or not there are plenty of kids learning something to help them through life in a posititve way.