2 plead innocent in Fimognari, Brown murders

It will be interesting to see what kind of a defense Attys. John B. Juhasz and Lynn Maro present . Caring parents, fine upbringing and a respect for the law are some points that they may cover . Jamar will be portrayed as a good boy who has avoided the pitfalls of street life .

Darold Lee Shorter's trial will not draw nearly the attention of Jamar Houser's trial . The publicty drawn by the killing of Angeline Fimognari is worldwide .

not to mmention houser is accused of killing a white person, maybe ms fimognaris life is 3 times more valuable than lamont browns......notice the difference in bond amounts

Wear it out Jermuh, you're juvenile comments make us look like we approve of Housers (alleged) actions. Don't you think we've played that
"R" card enough. This kid killed (allegedly) killed an 80 year old lady coming outing church and your worried about his skin color. NO WAIT THERE'S MORE... His parents then threatened the life of the prosecutions witness... Maybe that, along with the defendents PRIORS have something to do with bond being set there. He should try to appeal his bail being so high. the 8th amendment protects him from ecxessive bail. I bet he didn't pay attention when they learned that in school. Maybe he was suspended that day.

@ Jernuh- it could be that Houser is facing the dealth penalty while Shorter is not. Anyone facing the death penalty, you can expect that the bond would be excessive, even if the victim was black.

These two should never again see the light of freedom. The death penalty is what applies in both cases.

Of course it's about race. Couldn't be the fact that when the victim is a child, or elderly, state law and the courts usually impose a higher penalty. Get off of it...it's PLAYED OUT!

jermuh wrote "not to mmention houser is accused of killing a white person, maybe ms fimognaris life is 3 times more valuable than lamont browns......notice the difference in bond amounts"

Realistically, her life was probably worth more than three times that of the dirtbags. Did anyone check to see what her criminal record was and how much she had cost the taxpayers during her lifetime? My bet is that she had no criminal record.

I love it when people make statements that are so easy to reply to. I enjoyed reading all the replies to your post that shot you down.

"Realistically, her life was probably worth more than three times that of the dirtbags."

Are you actually calling murder victim Lamont Brown a "dirtbag"? Unreal.

well what about when that white boy killed that entire black family and only got life there were several kids under the age of 5 killed in that fire and he killed them over a cell phone why was he not tried for the death penalty

Good point short by nature. DAVIS-CRAWFORD case was a great miscarriage of justice and it was greatly further magnified by the fact in the same week Bennie Adams was given the death penalty. There are racial undertones to those given the death penalty as compared to those who get life, also financial status plays a role as well.

just wondering why the accused appears to be smiling in this picture. apparently he lives in a cartoon world and has no remorse about this situation.

Please get off the race card, it is so worn out. No matter what color your skin is, you kill another person then your nothing but a low life useless animal. If someone is that heartless to take another human being then you should be locked up in a cage and put to death. There are cockroaches of all races and life styles and one is worse then the other.

@woolyd @shortbynature I totally agree and think it's naive of anyone to think that race is not a factor. I understand it's 2010 and we'd all like to think that the world has moved on but the fact is it hasn't and the justice system is one outlet that continues feed the racism monster created 400+ years ago. Let's see if any of those accused in the killings of Wilniece and Jabrasia Green are subjected to death specifications. Not that Houser doesn't deserve it because he does and he's truly an atrocity that comes from an atrocious home, but let's not pretend that racism doesn't still exist.

chaneygrad

"I understand it's 2010 and we'd all like to think that the world has moved on but the fact is it hasn't and the justice system is one outlet that continues feed the racism monster created 400+ years ago."

Who makes the choices in life to even deal with the justice system? Why put yourself in that position? Are there not white and black judges,lawyers,criminals,etc? If a person leads a normal life and not get into situations that warrant it, then what matter does in make what color skin they are? If you break the law then you pay the consequences, bottom line. Are you saying every black person is in jail because of racism? If someone wants to better there lives instead of the same old routine worrying about the police and courts and judges then it's up to that person, no matter what color there skin is. It really is getting old. You weren't around when racism was alive so you have no basis to know what happened centuries ago. It's 2010 let it go.

Seems like a even playing field to me.
Department of Rehabilitation and Correction: Death Row Inmates

161 men, 1 woman (82 African American men; 72 Caucasian men; 4 Hispanic men; 1 Native Americans; 2 Arab American; 1 Caucasian female).

http://www.drc.state.oh.us/public/dea...

"Realistically, her life was probably worth more than three times that of the dirtbags."

onthetown wrote: Are you actually calling murder victim Lamont Brown a "dirtbag"? Unreal.

onthetown, After reading what I wrote I see that I did not make it clear that I was referring to the killers as the dirtbags in both shootings. No I did not mean to refer to Brown as a dirtbag.

Thanks for pointing out my error!

Let's get on with it,..

I'm not one to presumptively convict anyone before trial. However, both of these crimes destroyed families and outraged the entire city.

Thus I know I'm not the only person that want's these trials to get underway to determine guilt or innocence. Regardless to from what I'm reading about whats been connected in regards to both of these cases. I have a feeling both those individuals gooses are cooked.

Where the shooting suspect is staring the death penalty right in the face. Where if convicted I don't know if there could be a jury on earth seated that won't give him a finite expiration date.

As well as I don't know if the stabbing suspect is up for the death penalty. But if not and if he's convicted he's got to know he'd be looking at a possible / very likely life sentence.

If guilt is determined in either or both cases I don't see any other sentences as in anyway justifiable and I don't believe any juror with any sense of responsible service can see it any other way.

I mean regardless of adjudicating abilities of even the most resolute attorney as a litigant. In some crimes there's a morality and public safety line drawn. One which you block out gestures and theatrics of their counsel or the prosecutor.

To hone in on looking at the meat of the cases which are evidence, nature and motive of the offense. Which is the driving force that compels you to employ all power vested in you as a peer and citizen to make things as right as you possibly can for those victims families.

To kill an individual in a non self defense posture is pure evil. To do it on church property is godless and for it to be a senior citizen goes beyond any defensible light.

As well as one whom will kill a man, woman, child or even a pet in their own home. Equally sends just as morbid a signal and it can't be chanced or tolerated to be given a chance to do it ever again.

All crimes are bad and where some are worst than others the perpetrators deserve to be punished. But these are two cases where in deliberation you can't be partial.

But if convicting the crimes committed here leaves absolutely no room for even remotely thinking about granting any degree of conciliatory leniency,.. none, zilch ZERO !!!

bring back the chair

Right now Jamar is telling his friends in jail about his exploits . Then comes the deals for the testimony against him .

short by nature,
the "white boy" you are talking about was tried with a death penalty spec. the jury decided to not execute him. so get over it and get your facts straight before you make stupid comments, it makes you look like a moron.

woolyd,
Davis was probably spared his life because he didnt intend on killing all those people. he did intend on starting the fire, but his purpose wasnt to kill. it was horrific what happened, but that is why he wasnt put on death row. how can you even defend a scumbag like bennie adams. he raped purposely raped a girl, then purposely killed her. by the way, if you didnt know, bennie raped someone after that and got locked up. great guy.

First of all shall we all line up and slap that smile off the killers face? Sounds like a fun week or two to me.
Nope no chair...try this on...600 gallons of fresh hot horse poo. Insert a garden hose in every body opening,eyes and ears too! Hook it up to a Craftsman 300 000 000 horsepower compressor...and let the bast^^d slowly fill up till he explodes, this will be done in an open field with plenty of room for spectators. None of this pussy lethal injection crap. Oh yeah just for fun,cut off the jewels with a rusty hack saw. I see families bringing the kiddies for a day of fun and refreshment,just like the old days of hanging/ Leave the body for the animals and birds to pick over.

@short_by_nature & woolyd

You're both onto something here,..

The case you're referencing was an outrage and for me it wasn't so much about race but the magnitude of what was committed. That callous clown should have been executed and there's no discussion that can mitigate nor deny that,.. PERIOD !!!

I still believe that jury was rigged and there's nobody that can convince me otherwise. For somebody or anybody to do something that premeditated in such a mass murder fashion and not be put to death is beyond indefensible.

Where the horrific magnitude of the crime didn't have me factor race. But for that mass murder to only draw a life sentence damn sure did.

Be it known I still feel the way I do about these crimes. Which I'm all for determining guilt or innocence before sentencing either of them out. Although fact remains I feel just like whoever committed these crimes should be stroked.

I bet those that served on that rigged jury will toil the rest of their days in a non restful hell for their hands being in not putting that mass murder to death.

I could have cared less about any racial, gender, economic class or any other dynamic in that horrific crime. Be it same race, differing race or whatever. To not have sentenced Davis Crawford to death will always remain one of if not thee most deplorable jokes of justice that's ever marked Youngstown in identity.

To those jurors and all those involved with rigging that jury. It's my sentiments as may you and your morbid souls all rot in hell for the roll you played in such an unspeakable, deplorable and indefensible crime against that family, the community and humanity as a whole.

grkfire michael davis knew that the family was in their why else would he set furniture in the way so the family could not get out the house

grk fire first off i never defended Bennie Adams I was stating the difference in two cases. Davis started a fire therefore he intended to burn a building however he did this knowing the family was asleep inside. He knowingly, willingly, recklessly, and with pre meditation started a series of events which killed 6 individuals and he deserved death. He killed 4 children. Sidney Cornwell killed a 4 year old white child because he shot into a building. Maybe he diddnt mean to kill Jessica Ballew but he did and he received death. I grew up with Sid but he f@@@d up and the death penalty was appropriate in the case. You kill, rape, kids or elderly folks you deserve death as they are the easiest targets and need the most protection.