President Obama to speak in northeast Ohio

He better not show up here...

usa1 pro-conservaterican,be careful now son because the Secret Service will be monitoring these blogs for shall we say "fringe people" who may have made some stupid statements in the past concerning our commander-in-chief.I`m sure there are records somewhere of your old Pro-American rants also.Good Luck.p.s.,He won`t be reading off his palm.....ahahahahahaha

Is anyone concerned about health care on here?

Don't worry about his showing up here in the Valley. We only see major politicians every 4 years, when they are promising the sun, moon, and stars in return for votes. And it's not time yet.

Wow, and I thought this was a Democratic stronghold. How could the Mahoning Valley ever be known for electing Dems with all of the brainiacs we have above. Bush brought the Valley so many jobs, and no foreclosures, and we know if anything like a Katrina hit here he would send a "helluva job Brownie" here to make it all better.

I do think Obama has been here twice as much in his first year in office as Bush did his 8 years, not counting campaigning for either of them. You know, Canada is really no more than 3 hours away, you should all just head on up there if you don't like Obama.

Birth Certificate? Really? You are part of THAT group....oy! And of course Bushie was known for his off the cuff speeches in dangerous communities, I even believe one time there was only half of the military school there to serve as a backdrop of invited cronies.

There is good and bad on both sides of the aisles boys, deal with and get over it!

"Is anyone concerned about health care on here?"

Facts on comparison of US - Canadian - and British Health Care Systems

There is a bogus email going around claiming to be published by "Investor's Business Daily" that gives false information about how bad socialized medicine is in Britain and Canada. The real facts are bad enough; no need for invented statistics.

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/200...

"Where is his birth certificate, school records, etc?"

No matter what else you might think there is no escaping that AKA Obama is not practicing the virtue of full disclosure.

Which is most likely;
(a) AKA OBAMA is hiding documents that are innocuous?

(b) AKA OBAMA is hiding documents that are damaging?

In 1961, the Public Health Services, U. S Department of Health, Education and Welfare, National Center for Health Statistics, National Vital Statistics Division published the "Vital Statistics of the United States

Here is a blank copy of the Standard Certificate of Live Birth used by all states including Hawaii., This is the information being hidden by Obama.

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/200...

Plus read the article that is included with the blank copy.

Here is what a real Hawaiian Birth Certificate looks like:
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/201...

Who Certified AKA Obama as "Natural Born"?
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/200...

Do you really think AKA Obama would have won the election if all the things he is hiding were made known?

Do you really think AKA Obama will be able to finish his first term if all the things he is hiding are made known?

The only conspiracy is the media and the obots who suppress the revelation of AKA Obama's history.

Obama “I have nothing to hide but I’m hiding it.”

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/200...

"Obama has been here twice as much in his first year in office as Bush did his 8 years"?

Oh how twentieth century! Republican vs. Democrat is an outdated paradigm. The new struggle is the government vs. we the people.

"Conservatives are enemies of the government. Liberals are enemies of the nation because they are not enemies of the government."
Aristotle the Hun

The wold as seen by the hilarious hillbillies of the Moaning Valley.

Best dern enertainmun on da web.

"The wold as seen by the hilarious hillbillies of the Moaning Valley.

Best dern enertainmun on da web."

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” Mahatma Gandhi

The guiding principles for my professional research for articles and books I write are the usual protocols of epistemology, scientific methodology, and rules of logic and the rules of evidence.

Evidently your guiding principle is ridicule. Ridicule is one of the lower forms of logical fallacy and would disqualify you for a grade school debate team.

See Saul Alinsky RULE 5: "Ridicule is mans most potent weapon. There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions."

(Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear. I can remember when liberals were nice people who were just wrong about most things. Now they are wrong and nasty.)

uas1 pro-conservaterican,still stuck on your lunatic fantasy about birth certificates eh? Not surprised.How long have you and Orly Taitz been dating anyhow? Why do you keep repeating your drivel when it`s not true.At least have enough intelligence to come up with something better.Like I responded to your teleprompter rants before,our President didn`t have a teleprompter when he met with the Congressional Republicans and completely dominated that discussion.And comparing him to Bush,are you serious? Did you ever watch a Bush speech? LOL! Dude,there have been books written about all the dumb,incorrect and inappropiate things our esteemed ex-president Bush said throughout the years.Stand up comedians made a fortune during those 8 yrs.It`s getting to the point where debating you on here isn`t even any sort of a challenge anymore.Sad.I hope your head doesn`t explode before the end of President Obama`s 2nd term.It`s too bad there isn`t a way to set up a televised meeting between you and the President.I would totally enjoy seeing your views exposed to the world stage.Look at the bright side,FOX would likely hire you as the host of one of their shows.Let`s see, what could we call it? Maybe,"Birth Certificates R Us" or "The Fringe Hour" or "The Teabagger Blogger Show".The possibilities are endless usa1- pro-conservaterican.Have a nice day in your bunker.lol

usa1/sewell a good study in reverse engineering, usa1 just an ignorant boy who forms his opinions from what he hears in the press or the repub's talking heads, and sewell who is just as ignorant accept with a good education that has been wasted, and has no common sense to know when he's being a fool.

Let's start with the inane 'birther argument.' Seriously, you think it's a forgery, umm, please read this article http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/... Then go to the newspaper archives and look up the birth annnouncements. Was this conspiracy theory really started 40 something years ago, really??

If you dont like the way he governs fine, I can accept arguments for that, but to go for the hype and talking points just shows how ignorant you really are. I don't like a lot of the ways he has governed so far, and i ABHORED how Bushie governed, but I never needed to make up things to build my case. Talk about some REAL issues boys and you might get some respect, until then, keep with your talking points and fantasies and you will just be the tools you are thought to be.

Drivel.

"Obama released his Hawaiian birth certificate and had it verified by an independent organization and the results were posted online for everyone to see."

Repeating this false propaganda over and over does not make it true.

Obama is keeping the best available evidence secret. Let's just add suppression of evidence to the other charges of election fraud, campaign finance violations and filing fraudulent documents in all 50 states.

The entire reason there is a professional field known as forensic document examination is that a great deal can be told from examination of the original document itself. Much, much less can be told by looking at a photocopy of a document and very little, if anything at all, can be told from looking at a digital image that purports to be an image of an original document. Too much opportunity for adulteration, no opportunity to examine the paper, the ink, any impressions made on the paper, etc. These online arguments discussing images (especially photographic images) are like people studying animals by examining scat.

Forensic document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines,

http://www.asqde.org/SRLines/SandraRL...

a Former Federal Examiner with a long history of expert testimony in state and federal courts, has testified in an affidavit that states, in part:

“I can state with certainty that the COLB presented on the internet by the various groups, which include the “Daily Kos,” the Obama Campaign, “Factcheck.org” and others cannot be relied upon as genuine. Software such as Adobe Photoshop can produce complete images or alter images that appear to be genuine; therefore, any image offered on the internet cannot be relied upon as being a copy of the authentic document.” Sandra Ramsey Lines summary is also posted at U. S. Law Blog.

Excerpted from:
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/200...

Who Certified AKA Obama as "Natural Born"?
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/200...

Okay, I lied, Sewell is probably not that well educated, just talks a good game and can look up quotes well. And as all good Repubs do, he conveniently just ignores facts that don't go his way. The birth announcements in the paper?? On Microfiche??, On the original newspaper in their archives?? C'mon. Oh and your expert Sandra Ramsey cannot tell that the document is a fake, she just says you cant be sure with a photograph. That's proof alright that it's false.

Can you really be taken as credible as crediting the source of your information as a blog that YOU write and contribute to?

Again, listening to reasonable peoples arguments on the good and bad policies and actual execution of policy is all fine and good. To base your arguments on something you have no idea to be true or not, that has nothing to do with governance is just ignorant. Try to live up to your intelligence if you really do have any.

Sewell....I ridicule you and people like you because your a pathetic loser who needs to point at that endless list of things they blame for their miserable lives.

It's the Democrats, Obama, unions, socialist, Muslims, minorities, and on and on. Try looking in the mirror for the reason you look for ridiculous scenarios of why things have gone so wrong in your life and your search for someone to blame it on.

You people that don't want Obama to come to the Moaning Valley because he has done you so wrong are ignoring the facts. Every speech he makes about communities in need, Youngstown is one of the first mentioned. Does he just talk or has he done anything for the area?

Break down the stimulus package. One third went to extensions of unemployment and cobra insurance. Did that help the local community? One third was a tax break for lower 95% of all tax payers. Did that help the community? One third was for infrastructure projects that invested ten's of millions into the valley. Did that help the community?

He invested 45 billion to save the American auto industry and millions of jobs including thousands in the valley and some of that money has already been paid back. Did that help the community? 45 billion, that's how much Bush/Cheney spent in Iraq every three and a half months for six and a half years.

Speaking of Bush/Cheney, how about any of you listing what they did for the valley.

Why is all this blame just going on Bush and Obama? Some of yall acting like our government wasn't screwed up way before them I dont care how great jobs were at one point and how nice it seemed our governement been f***ed. Also alot of people in different countries been not respecting the United States of America this isn't something that just started up because we got Obama in office.

But on topic health care is something important to discuss and make it go through to help everyone. Is there anyone who is in the medical field? Oh and also know about medical insurances and know how doctors might charge things differently whenever they feel like. And how the price of what is covered can change depending how much the doctor decides I believe every two years or a year? It has been a minute for me but I think it might be a year or two when health insurances can change and not be the same. The best medical insurance is the ones that cover 100% everything and you can choose what doctor you want without wondering if they take your medical insurance and be able to get your meds without a problem.

All links to my blog contain carefully vetted articles that are properly cited. "The Steady Drip" is just the repository where I store my research.

I post research with citations and Obots post insults and personal attacks.
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I see that this forum is infected with Obot PSYOPS Agents. Here s some advice on how to deal with them.

"Winning Against Obots and Astroturfers"

Three videos that will be a big help. Listen up! This guy talks fast. Also see the links at the bottom.
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http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/201...

usa1 pro-conservaterican,ever hear the saying that those who live in glass houses shouldn`t throw stones?That`s akin to you calling someone on this blog an idiot.And get off your "I`m not a Republican" lie.If someone pulled up your voting record there`s no doubt that you have voted Republican more than anything else. Your opinions make that obvious.Why lie about it?You are what you are.So gun and ammo sales are up?That`s the consequence of paranoia on the Right.I haven`t bought any new weapons or ammo since your gal, palm reader Palin got her behind kicked in November of 08.You should be thanking our president for increasing your dividends in your gun company stocks.It`s hilarious that you are constantly writing about all the names for our president,especially since you have changed your name on vindy.com at least once and it`s probably been more.lol.classic conservative hypocrisy.Newsflash for you,Bush used teleprompters and any off the cuff speeches he did give normally became such disasters that the White House had to exercise damage control for days.Why are you teabaggers so afraid and intimidated of a leader that`s intelligent? Jealous? Like I wrote earlier,be cool usa1 pro-conservaterican.I would hate to see the Secret Service have to lock you up because POTUS is visiting our area.Take off the tinfoil hat and at least appear "normal".lol

Mr. Sewell, if socialized medicine was good enough for the non-resident Palin family, hey, how bad can it be??? LOL LOL

I assume you mean Michael Pailin of Monty Python's Flying Circus.

well, the "circus" part is correct....

"The birth announcements"

There are literally dozens of anti-Birther articles in the media that continue to claim that AKA Obama's birth announcement was in "two different newspapers". These two newspapers are printed by the same publisher and share the same stories and sources. The purpose of this “two newspaper” claim is to falsely imply that these newspapers are independent of each other, and therefore, unlikely to run the same birth announcement.

Birth announcements were called in or mailed in all the time. The Nordyke twins were announced, then recently (about a year ago) that announcement was replaced with the AKA Obama one. And the original owner of the “birth” residence died about 2 years, before the newly discovered birth announcement was touted by the Obama campaign after AKA Obama's Hawaiian 'birth” was challenged. There is also evidence of splicing in the microfilm. The most likely scenario is that the Nordyke twin’s birth announcement was spliced out and replaced by a post-dated AKA Obama announcement. The fact that the home address in the fake AKA Obama announcement was never occupied by Ann Dunham and Barack Obama, and that the birth announcement just happened to appear right after the actual tenant of the home died, pretty much drives a stake though the heart of this story

Go to chapter 8 - for full explanation:

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/200...

8. THE MISSING KINDERGARTEN RECORDS AND THE MYSTERIOUS NEWSPAPER BIRTH ANNOUNCEMENT

WOW Obot Psyops Agents??? Conspiracy Theory Much?? You are a sad sad man Sewell, and it comes to reason why you had to self-publish your book. Even when it comes to health you are probably a quack.

I guess what I dont understand is why you are posting on this papers site. Please tell me you dont live in the Valley. We have enough whacko's here to go around.

Actually, I was assigned here by Wacko International to form a Vindicator Wacko Union Chapter.

Headquaters of Wacko International had many complaints that Wackos were being dicriminated against and abused.

In a very short time we will have extablshed justice and equality for all Wackos in this valley.

"self-publish your book."

I will not post where my book can be purchased so that I can not be accused of using this forum to promote my latest book. However, since you took a swipe at it I will publish some of the professional comments so that readers here will know what people who actually know about the subject have said.

“Well researched, and scientifically sound, yet full of the pathos and humor of a well lived life. The stress management chapter alone is worth the price of the book.”
Selwyn Mills, PhD - Author of “Prisoner of Romance”

“As a clinical psychologist and a person committed to a healthy lifestyle, I found your book to be very affirming and amazingly informative. When you have it all complete and published I'm looking forward to purchasing copies for my patients. The careful scientific research you completed clearly illuminates a path for long-term health and survival.”
Deborah Coe Silver, Psy.D

"I love this book. ‘Stop treating symptoms and start treating causes’ is your theme, and for some reason this is lost on most people. You have documented why this is true with panache, style and erudite wisdom. It is a must read." Gene N. Landrum, PhD - Author of The Superman Syndrome - Paranoia & Power - Is Your Life a Comedy or a Tragedy

"Sam and Bunny Sewell make clear a hidden health crisis in America; the male tendency to avoid health related issues."
Amber Lenfert, M.S.H. Senior Health Educator

I am a licensed medical professional. Traditional western medicine has saved many lives. But it is up to you to read and be informed, think outside the box. Read this book and you will have a great advantage toward a healthy, happy life.
David Eimers

As an ARNP (Nurse Practitioner) with more than a passing interest in the American Healthcare system, I highly recommend this work. Sam could have surrendered to the weighty and costly consequences of his diagnosis as presented by "expert opinion" (read Cardiology). Instead, Sam took ownership of the situation, and with the help of his family and friends, has turned his crisis into a great learning tool that is also a good read.
L Brian Brown ARNP

A MUST READ!!!! Buy this book now and most importantly, when it arrives read it immediately, then pass on to a friend and order more for your other friends. If you don't learn something and grow and have a better lifestyle from reading this book, than you haven't cracked the binding... IT WILL SAVE YOUR LIFE!
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It is so well written and chock full of goodies. It has touched me deeply and had me crying and laughing (sometimes almost at the same time) and many other emotions in between.
Jean Kogok

“Your wisdom, wit, intelligence, research and commitment to reality regarding victory over heart disease and death should be required reading for every doctor, patient, hospital staff, care giver, and pharmacist.”
Jim Price

The reality of the Obama visit is likely because Ryan and Wilson have now been labled as possible swing votes in the healthcare debate. For what other reason would he possibly be here?

GM Lordstown was spared amidst the numerous plant closures in the U.S. and Obama likely is here to remind Congressman Ryan of that fact when considering how he will vote on the healthcare bill, as well as Congressman Wilson.

I doubt he is here to educate and inform the general population rather than to make his presence and influence felt among the politicians he assisted here.

If an entertaining hobby is the same thing as wasting time, I agree.

There isn't much subtance, that's for sure.

Obama’s Presidential Eligibility: What You Need to Know

Mostly facts and very little rhetoric, all properly cited. This is how research should be done.

Now what will the Obot PSYOPS agents do?

Let me Guess; ridicule, name calling, personal attacks and changing the subject.

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=...

Somehow, you know its coming. That OMG moment is just around the corner. You can feel the inescapable reality creeping up on you. Something will leak. Someone will spill the beans.

“Everything that is secret will be brought out into the open. Everything that is hidden will be uncovered. What you have said in the dark will be heard in the daylight. What you have whispered to someone behind closed doors will be shouted from the rooftops..” Luke 12:2

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/200...

@USA1

You're priceless,..

See you're the absolute posterboy for what the cumulative effect of absolute idiocy does to a mortal life form.

I mean nothing you say makes any sense you lie profusely and any semblance of intellect, sanity and or tranquil rationale escapes your grasp.

You even select a screen USA name of a nation that was built via multi cultural ingenuity and contributions. Where you admire it so much you wish to seize it but you bear no contribution to it at all,.. AMAZING !!!

See you're been programmed by absolute idiocy where facts and a more perfect union serve as your nemesis's in trying to proliferate your brand of nebulous nonsense.

Be it known I know I'm not the only one finding you as a mere clinical study. One that bears the resulting effects of one trying to pack so much stupidity, bigotry, ignorance, idiocy and insignificance in one organism,..you're bursting at the seams.

By all means continue to serve as an absolutely immaculate example, specimen and exhibit.

As a bemused little beacon for exactly what sensible people avert becoming. Intelligent people laugh at and no loving parent would ever want their child to become,..

I just thought I'd inform you of just how much I appreciate you making it so revealing and effortlessly easy. For any sensible human to determine who they bear no accord with.

I can't thank you enough for how you're accelerating awareness along the lines of emphatically proving ignorance isn't bliss.

Because it's unquestionable that you're as manic, misguided and misleading as you are senseless.

Where anyone can say it as opinion. But in a conclusive manner of proof only you and you alone could prove it,.. Bravo !!!

@usa1-pro-conservaterican"Since when can the Secret Service lock me up for using my right to free speech?Of course that's how you commies think; like Sean Penn wanting to jail anyone in Venezuala who talks against his commie pal Hugo Chavez." Actually a person that threatens a POTUS can be locked up.Why don`t you write what really want to and find out.lol.Oh, but I forgot.Most of you teabagging wingnuts hide behind your birth certificates and socialism and the coming end of the world and don`t say what you really feel about our President because in the end you are just a lil wussie."Pro-American?,what a joke.A person that is truly pro-American wants our nation to succeed and be strong and surely doesn`t wish harm on the President.I`ve seen the signs at your teabagging meetings and heard all the chatter.Get off the commie health care.Is the health care our wounded and disabled vets receiving "commie healthcare"? Why don`t you drive your sorry behind up to Brecksville and ask some of them.Or visit the burn center down in Texas and walk in spouting your lies.Of course you won`t because you are not dealing with a full deck are you usa1 pro-conservaterican? What,no comment about your gal Palin traveling to Canada for her healthcare? Is she a commie now too?Where do you get off calling me a commie?You don`t know anything about my life.I could have fought and been wounded for this country but because I don`t agree with your ultra-right garbage now I`m a commie huh? This in a nutshell, is why you and your teabaggers will ultimately fail in whatever crazy goal you believe that you`ll achieve.In the end Americans will see that you don`t represent their ideals at all.Trust me,noone is afraid of you dude,everytime you and your cabal open your mouths proves to the rational people exactly where your mindset is.Keep it up.Shout from the rooftops.Keep talking about birth certificates and Barry Soetero and disrespect our Vets by calling them commies and rail against govt while you collect Social Security and Medicare.I don`t need you lecturing me about anything usa1 pro-conservaterican.I`m not a wussified,hypocrite like you.Like I`ve written before,you proclaim to be the ultimate patriot but you hate 99% of Americans.You are nothing but a name calling coward hiding on this blog.Write a letter to the Vindy with your views,where you have to use your real name.I`ve done it hundreds of times in my lifetime.But then again I`m not a coward or a commie.

usa1 pro-conservaterican,to quote your hero Ronnie Reagan"There you go again".Like always,calling me stupid is only your way to cover your inability to answer the questions I posed to you but since I`m not stupid,that won`t work with me.Do you think our wounded and disabled vets are commies for using their govt run healthcare or not?If you do,then WRITE it on this blog.I will gladly print it and show all the vets I know so that they realize what a false patriot you actually are.I asked you about your gal Palin getting her health care in Canada? Is she a commie or not? Have you ever spoken to Canadians about their healthcare? I have several times not only in Canada itself but here in the States as well.They love it and think we are living in the dark ages down here.I`m sure you`ll label them commies now also, lol.Actually there have been numerous shows on TV about Americans traveling to many countries for healthcare.Maybe if you watched something other than Fox,you would have seen them.And save the lies about the mainstream media bias.Yadda,yadda.You think you`re omnipotent don`t you usa1 pro-conservaterican? But like I wrote yesterday,if you really believed your convictions you would write a letter to the paper with your views.That`s what people with guts do.They don`t hide behind anonymous username(s) like you and denigrate people with your childish name calling.I thought you were 65 yrs old?You act more like you`re 8.I`ve heard more intelligent chatter among pre-schoolers.You`re one elder that surely deserves no respect because you don`t give any respect to anyone else unless they agree with you of course.As a great Amurrican patriot,you should know that`s not how democracy works.

I hope he doesnt come here

@Rudy

Here's the deal,..

Say what you will and proclaim any party you'd like. But I'm an Independent and be it intentional or unintentional. Fact is you're flat out wrong about every particle of this Health care Bill that you've touched,..

What I hate is we've got paid representatives who'd job is to explain and clarify proposed legislative bills. So the constituents can get a good look and clean grasp on the truth and facts aside from merely proliferating mistruth's that someone either mistakenly or maliciously misinformed them on,.. like you just did.

See just because we've elected the right executive office tandem in Obama & Biden along with a few other holdover stalwarts and a number of quiet impressive freshmen.

Pretty much just like there's a dire need for more republican criminals to be swept out in another round of house cleaning roundups. There in fact are some posing as democrats that also need to be ousted in the upcoming midterm election to get a more functional legislative body on the hill.

About the Healthcare initiative:

Here's the thing what you're stating about what Louisiana, Connecticut, Nevada, Florida are going to receive is grossly inaccurate. See this is a pre-reconciliation Bill that will be trim lined and fine tuned before being passed into Law.

Here's the details:

1. Louisiana still trying to rebuild and stabilize post Katrina will get an assistance break. But not to the tune 300 million dollars via this reform.

The bulk of what's being proposed is for hospital and clinic rebuild and revamp and as a nation they need the help,.. and they're going to get some and we're not all in post Katrina shape.

2. Connecticut will be allotted considerably less but they'll be transitioning as a Insurance capital and the state will need the transitional assistance,.. and much less than 100 million dollars.

3. Nevada will in fact pay taxes on Medicare far before the tentative 2 or 4 years of partial subsidization. That you're somehow misquoting as some 10 year immunity,.. Nevada is in such dire straits even Vegas is drying up.

4. Florida residents are NOT going to be shielded from Medicare Advantage cuts. In this Bill proposal SOME of the indigent elderly are sole supportive on the program. Because the STATE got them dependent on it. Going forward there will be no new enrollments,.. and it's the RIGHT thing to do.

5. Just like medicaid doesn't pay for abortions with tax payers money outside of rape, life endangerment neither will any part of this health reform,.. PERIOD !!!

Now if you'd like to hash anymore facts by all means lets clear the air and have no need to roll out the smoke and mirrors to obscure any disguises,..

Industrialised nations with universal health care are consistently ranked higher in health care than the US and the cost is much lower.

True story.

Rudy....I am comparing apples and apples. The countries with the highest rated health care pay 5% for administrative cost and the insurance companies in the US average 20% administrative cost. The numbers don't lie. We are at the very bottom of industrialised nations. Anyone who claims otherwise is delusional.

USEless1....Are you really going to bring up the teabagger picnic in DC again? Every time you do I end up making a fool of you. If you really want to go down that road again just let me know and I'll be happy to oblige you. You really are a demented old fool.

USEless1....Here is the exact post cut copied and pasted from the thread. It clearly states that the statement is from ABC News.

cambridge (1079 comments) posted 5 months, 1 week ago

"UnAmerican....."2.1M Tea Part Patriots".

Liar Liar pants on fire.

ABC News says 60-70 thousand.

"How many times have you lied on this board and then I post proof of your lies? Aren't you embarrassed? There is something seriously wrong with your brain. It is absolutely hilarious that you can read this post and claim the quote is mine."

The Link below is the original thread.

Go through the original thread and read your comments on the amount of teabaggers in DC on Sept, 12 and read how many teabaggers nine news agencies say were there including Fix Noise and tell me how many were there.

I dare you to tell me how many teabaggers were in DC on Sept. 12, that way we will all know who the liar is.

I'm laughing already in anticipation of your answer.

http://www.vindy.com/polls/2009/sep/w...

Rudy....If you reduce the adminestrative cost by 15% the price of insurance would be much cheaper.

If we do exactly what France does we would be ranked #1 in the world just like they are and we would spend less money to do it. How can you be against better for less?

Read the link below.

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/column...

THERE IS NO NEED FOR REAL HEALTH CARE !

Barack showing up in NorthEast Ohio will make us all feel better ! :)

USEless1....Thank you for saying that there were between 1,5 and 2 million teabaggers in DC on Sept. 12 even though nine news agencies in the link below including Fix Noise who held the picnic claimed ten's of thousands. I'm pretty sure ten's of thousands means less than 100,000.

So thanks again for reminding us all what a complete idiot you are. I never get tired of watching you make a fool of yourself.

http://www.vindy.com/polls/2009/sep/w...

This is too priceless for words:

Palin notes irony of using Canada health care

By DAN JOLING (AP) – 6 days ago

ANCHORAGE, Alaska — Sarah Palin has criticized Canada's health care program, saying the socialized system should be dismantled in favor of free enterprise.

But during a speech Saturday in Calgary, Palin acknowledged the irony of her family using medical care in Canada decades ago.

Can we all say "lying hypocrite"?

usa1 pro-conservaterican,what a great day in Strongville eh?Great job by our POTUS.I saw you and your cabal and got a hearty chuckle.I love how you harass other people on here to answer your drivel when you always ignore what you can`t answer.I asked you a few days ago to answer if your crazy gal Palin was a commie for using Canadian healthcare.Using your whacky rationale,she has to be right? Well is she or not? I also invited you to travel to the Brecksville Veterans facility and directly call the disabled and wounded vets there commies, for using government run healthcare.Are these vets commies or not? ANSWER the question teabagger? It`s easy to hide here with your dubious usernames and trash those who appear more intelligent but I would bet my paycheck you wouldn`t have the guts to call a vet a commie for using govt run healthcare.Typical conservative hypocrite.You demand answers from everyone that doesn`t buy into your tinfoil hat fantasies but ignore mine? If the teabag candidates that you support win,will they use the govt run healthcare provided to them as a member of Congress? Maybe they`ll refuse it because they don`t want to anger the Great Wizard of Odd from the Mahoning Valley,usa1pro-conservaterican.LOL,LOL,LOL!

usa1 pro-conservaterican,here are the FACTS about your Danny Williams drivel........ from wikipedia.
On February 1, 2010, Williams' office confirmed that he would be undergoing heart surgery, and had already left the province for an undisclosed location in the United States for the procedure. According to his Deputy Premier, Kathy Dunderdale, Williams decided to go to the U.S. for surgery after weeks of consultation with his doctors. She said, "Having the surgery done in the province was never an option." She said she couldn’t comment on whether the type of surgery Williams is having was available elsewhere in the country. “Ultimately we have to be the gatekeepers of our own health and he has taken medical advice from a number of different sources,” she said. “He is doing what’s best for him.” [39] However, Dr. Chris Feindel, a cardiac surgeon at Toronto's University Health Network, says that Williams would have been better served by staying in Canada for his surgery:[40]

"Virtually all forms of cardiac surgery are looked after in Canada, and I would say extremely well," said Dr. Chris Feindel, a cardiac surgeon at Toronto's University Health Network. "Personally ... I would have my cardiac surgery done in Canada, no matter what resources I had at my disposal." In fact, he said, patients from the United States and other countries come to the UHN's Peter Munk Cardiac Centre for valve repairs, a procedure developed by Toronto surgeons. Meanwhile, the death rate after bypass surgery in Ontario is among the lowest in North America, reports the province's Cardiac Care Network.

In a later interview Williams admitted, "I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for myself when I entered politics." [41] Williams also said he paid for the treatment, but added he would seek any refunds he would be eligible for in Canada. "If I'm entitled to any reimbursement from any Canadian health care system or any provincial health care system, then obviously I will apply for that as anybody else would

Video of Obama in Strongsville.

http://videos.cleveland.com/plain-dea...

Couldn't agree more, Penguinbird, Candy, & Cambridge.

These Repubs/conservs are just jealous because we Dems actually have a leader we believe in who is DOING SOMETHING to help the middle class. Who do the Repubs have? Uh..... no one. And the Tea Bags..... well, they have that silly dingbat who writes on her hand.

WHO is the name caller, "Dalai Bama"?????

@Rudy56

Wrong? don't make me laugh,..

See you're the " calamity " whom so dishonestly hailed yourself as a democrat on the tail end of your having spurn into offering your now infamous " 1 through 5 " presentations against Health reform. Which of course were also and equally all flat out mis-infomercial LIES,.. and YOU told them.

Ya know Rudy poot you and that screen name USA serial clown posture as such sheer dual buffoons I bet you're bobbsey twins. Just two combo quack misleading misfits that the only thing left to question is which one of you serial liars are the looniest,.. decisions, decisions.

So by my having shredded your little litany of lies. You hilariously use a " Bloviateing " term that one of your favorite balloon headed, fact deficient, hate mongering, sexual harassing, racist nitwits taught you,.. how insignificant.

For impartiality lets take opinion out of the equation and fact check your " 1 thru 5 " list by the numbers:

1. You lied,..

2. You lied,..

3. You lied,..

4. You lied,..

5. You inaccurately distorted,..

All that along with your trying to allege I'm wrong? But yet you dare not present anything to refute the facts I stated and cite me as a,.. lost cause?

For which beyond challenge having ravaged you with facts. I now dare you to present anymore of your lizard gizzard, sworn by snake oil fools formed numb, dumb flavored lies,..

See lies are your brand and flavor and whenever I happen across or take a mind to using you as an example of absolute inaccuracy. Then you just be prepared to get re-programmed to have the facts obliterate your fallacies and or,.. LIES !!!

Nunya....If your not getting paid by someone somewhere for your insight and delivery it's talent wasted.

Your posts are the best thing on this board.

usa1 pro-conservaterican,I don`t really care about where Danny Williams had his surgery.Read my previous post.So we are supposed to base the entire health debate on where a conservative from Canada had surgery?Yea,now that`s intelligent.

I`m still waiting for your answers about your gal Palin and our veterans.Are they commies for using govt run healthcare? And why we`re at it,is anyone that uses any type of govt run healthcare including Medicare a commie also? You can`t seem to answer this question teabagger.Why? You pose many questions on here(most of them asinine),but can`t seem to answer many.

Why don`t you share with the rest of us the names of the world leaders that don`t respect our President? And please include some FACTS to back up your claim that there are none.(cue Jeopardy theme song here).What are facts you say? My bad,I forgot.The majority of you ultra-right teabaggers don`t deal in facts but try teabagger,take off that tinfoil hat and give your brain some room to think.By the way did you see the latest NBC poll? Half of Americans support the health care reform that soon will be signed by our POTUS.So what`s the next target for the teabagger patrol now that you`ve lost this battle? Financial reform? Unions? Folks like you always need a bogeyman to rail against.I bet the insurance industry is laughing their behinds off at the sight of you in Strongsville.You are fighting their battles while they screw your eyes out everyday now and in the future.Gee,good plan teabaggers.DUH!!!.And you`re calling the rest of us the "dumb masses?"

usa1 pro-conservaterican,It seems you`re speading lies again.Tsk tsk.....I suppose you`ll write Business Week is a commie publication.LOL!!! From Business Week .............Feb. 23 (Bloomberg) -- Newfoundland Premier Danny Williams said he went to the U.S. for heart surgery because his doctors recommended it, not because he lost confidence in Canada’s public health care, a decision that had sparked national attention.

“My doctors in Newfoundland indicated to me that I should go out of the province to get it done,” Williams said in an interview broadcast yesterday with the NTV network. “This is my heart, it’s my health, and it’s my choice.”

The move to seek treatment at a private U.S. hospital sparked debate about the state of Canada’s hospitals and the length of waiting times for surgery in Canada. Williams, 60, told NTV he has “confidence” in public health care and credited his doctors for diagnosing the problem last year and monitoring his condition afterward.

The surgery, which Williams said was for a “leaky valve,” was available in other Canadian provinces, NTV said. Williams was interviewed by NTV in Florida where the surgery was performed.

--Editors: Andrew Barden, Steven Frank.

Another example of why the government has to step in and protect Americans from the outright greed of health insurance companies.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-...

Oh,usa1 pro-conservaterican,there you go again...... lying.First of all,the WSJ-NBC poll shows those asked are evenly divided on the bill so your 60% figure isn`t correct unless you got it from teabaggers.com or something.

Why are you still stuck on the Danny Wiliams thing?Read the article I posted from Business News.Williams doesn`t believe there is anything wrong with the Canadian system and neither do most Canadians.But of course,you being the Great Wizard of Odd,that lives in Mahoning County,thinks you`re so intelligent about a health care in another nation that you can tell even those that live there and love the system that they are wrong.Classic conservative thinking.And you`re telling me I`m rebelling against reason?

Another lie is that I`m suicidal.You wish,because that would be one less person on here opposing your hypocrisy.Sorry usa1 pro-conservaterican,I plan on being around a long time,especially Sunday when I will celebrate the passing of the bill.Do you have your helmet ready?I`m sure you`ll be looking for the sky to fall.LOL.I realize you have difficulty using common sense and logic usa1 pro-conservaterican but if this bill was so terrible and won`t work and will doom the Democrats then why isn`t the Republicans URGING them to vote on it instead of doing all they can to stop the vote.The GOP knows that in the long run this will be good for the Democrats and our POTUS.

You should give your Republican Party more credit.I don`t like their politics but they`re not dummies.I see you still are unable to answer if you believe our veterans are commie,socialists for using health care run by the government or if you want to eliminate Medicare/Medicaid? What`s the problem usa1 pro-conservaterican? You get on here and rant and call everyone that doesn`t follow your teabag thinking names but you can`t answer simple questions about your views? Typical.Also your so called "grassroots" teabagger movement originated with Dick Armey and the insurance industry.You`re being used and you don`t even realize it.Also typical.

@cambridge

Thank you and I'm honored

Actually I've been pivotal in a number of other places that I've assisted in hashing things out. However, I'm not on anyone's payroll here. In this case it's a point where originally hailing from the valley. I don't like whats happened to the area and if others that want better for the valley are willing to roll up their sleeves to come to the table and invoke positive change count me in.

My assistance is to get others to see that to do it isn't about continuing to harbor any stone aged fixation on race, gender or continuing to being absolutely hoodwinked.

Into thinking there's some heedless honor to be had in defending a crook and or in the plural sense criminals. Regardless of gender, race or political party posturing as a zero portending to be a hero,.. see those zeros' are the areas problems.

Which is exactly what has been routine for this area hinging hopes on a convoluted irrationality by residents. That they'll vow to defend and support the crook because he or she bears a certain political party emblem or racial or gender likeness.

Which flat out doesn't work and results into Youngstown with an infinity clause and the home grown assets flee the area,.. in essence I'm now questioning have residents seen enough yet?

See representatives and officials are employed by every resident and elected by each and every citizen that votes. Ask the candid questions and pay close attention to their response and actionable record.

Which protects community interests of making them show they're worthy or send they signal you'll rally in a side by side manner to get them voted out of your pocket,.. valley residents haven't done that and look what it's produced.

On a united front valley residents have to demand accountability and show they're serious about impacting making things better. By looking each and every one of those public officials and servants in the eye and ask them what have they done or are they they doing to deserve the position[s] you've allowed them to hold,.. and don't stutter nor blink.

If they don't take you serious as an individual they've offended all of us. Which then you owe it to both yourself, your neighbor and the entire community to inform us on who that individual is. Thus it will prompt others to approach the individual[s] for ourselves and who doesn't want or deserve their position.

Where granted unlike a 9 to 5 hire job in the private sector. In regards to clean up of representatives and officials elections happen for a reason and use it for it's intended purpose of a human resources decision to elect or eject them,.. but it can't be with bias to favoring F'up's and rewarding failures.

One person doesn't do it alone but we're all just one person collectively we become the unified body of authority that serve as Yea or Nea decision makers,.. where
some just need to be better informed and more decisively engaged.

@USA1

You're a loon shrouded in a litany of lies,..

@rudy56

The first hurdle is complete so you got anymore lies?,..

@USA1

I'm neither of your preponderances,..

I'm just an astute American that hailed from the valley and made positive impacts and differences. In the world that encompasses the interwoven twill's of social accord that make the fabric of our society a functional texture.

Thus in taking mind to interjecting here I found it interesting. How you'd take such exception to being countered with more sense and facts beyond fallacy.

As well as noting how you display a rathering to opt for resorting to being disturbed when the truth is spoken. Instead of more sensibly learning and appreciative of standing corrected.

In that sense you're willfully ignorant and you favor proliferating stupidity in a redundant manner. Cleaving to such a putrid form of the petulance by hailing ignorance via persistence.

That won't work and history bears that truth to be self evident. So I'm enjoying vanquishing your vociferous vagrancy in a manner that renders your foisting fallacies a futile effort.

Jovially coining of of the other loons make for great theater. However, the riches of reward is in enriching others by actually proving whom epitomizes lunacy,.. and it's very effective.

Nunya.....Your going to make his head explode!

@USA1

You can't be serious,..

Here I understand it's gotten quiet one sided here. So as an American sharing one to another lets just present you some vintage entertainment that I'm sure you'll enjoy,..

Heeeeere's George,... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ux3DK...

@cambridge

It's a pleasure,.. LOL!!!

See things get a bit too complex for some and they resort to bad habits of being less than honest to solicit support.

So with my being the anti-lie and administering healthy doses of truth serum when his condition flares up.

Surely he'd have it no other way and to render my non wavering support. I'll not hear tell of him seeking to have his ills tended to by anyone less than a self containing valley native expert { know what I mean },.. LMAO !!!

See here's his parties campaign theme,.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtMV44...

Ironically it's from the movie " Horse feathers " too,.. Ohhh the irony.

"Ytown, have the dumocrats delivered any of the promises they made to all of you useful idiots? Name one."

Your taxes were lowered for 2010. That is unless you make more than $250,000.00 per year.

You were saved from another Great Depression.

If you are uninsured, you will soon have heath care.

USEless1....You keep telling that same lie that illegal immigrants will be covered under the new health care plan.

FactCheck.org says: Liar Liar Pants on Fire.

H.R. 3200: Sec 246-NO FEDREAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

Read it yourself:http://www.opencongress.org/articles/view/1210-Read-the-Bill-Illegal-Immigrants-Are-NOT-Covered

You and anyone else who are against the universal health care we have for all Americans are free to go and live in a country without it.

The president [yours not mine] will be reading a teleprompter not speaking.

Oh bother,..

It appears we've either gotten through to all the goobers and they're learning how badly they're being used.

Or they're sitting somewhere watching Faux Neus, or radio listening to lying lard azz Limburger. While awaiting more bandicoot banter from their bluster filled buffoon boy angled Beckian.

In either case it's been fun and we've got to do it again sometime,..

Oh and did I leave out Sybil Palin, the self described female dog of all demagoguery,..

Here's Sybil,.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8__aX...

@andersonathan

Oh really?,..

See then by law of the land that means you don't legally belong in our country to be recognized as a citizen.

Take your scripts from the bimbo that even knows better than to allege what you have,..

Cue the Bimbo that fed you the idiot that putrid teleprompter line,... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfEnyr...

Wow you must belong to the Party of Hate.

Actually H4 TV, If anyone has any thing to gain through a act of violence or even to say a attempt on some one life it would be the Democrats. So let me remind you a few connections and a little back ground. AIG Executives being stalked and picketed at home by ACORN = Democrats. Election day the Pink Panthers [sorry Black Panthers] Walking around voting precincts [Phily?] again Democrats. Even the old friends in the Weathermen Underground William Ayers and Dorn = Obama Liberals democrats.

So if you want a week or two of morning another National Holiday a Coin and bill with a picture on it. And endless liberal News whining and crying. And a new group to shut down any Conservative radio and TV. Let alone make any Tea Party or any right minded Conservative group like they are the most evil people in history or even something to start race riots all over this country.

Or as it says on our EVIL RIGHT-WING WEB SITES. ALLOW YOUR VOICE TO BE HEARD IN 2010-2012 AND 2014 AT THE POLLS. Take back the Congress and Senate. Retake the West Wing Allow Obama to go down in history as the worst one ever. As a Socialist. Allow him and other be exposed for the haters of America that they are Turn the shot heard around the world into a vote heard around the world and drive out the liberals, progressives, socialist, communist loving democrats for good.

So like I say any true acts of violence will becoming from the left in a effort to try to destroy the right because right now you know our voice will be heard in November 2010

In a way, I feel sad for people like USA1 and nathananderson.

They spout their incessant drivel and it makes no difference. The stock market is up, Obama is president, we have a national health care plan, we are leaving Iraq gradually, re-regulation is coming to the financial industry . . . I could go on, but you get the picture.

USA1, Nathananderson . . . all these things I listed are true. And . . . there is not a darn thing you can do about it! You can call us socialists, baby-killers, whatever . . . it accomplishes nothing other than exposing you as the fools you are.

So carry on. Keep entertaining us with your insults, your twisted logic, and your juvenile ramblings. It matters not. Obama nation is changing the world for the better and there is . . . . not . . . a . . . darn . . . thing . . . you . . . can . . . do! Oh that thought makes me smile.

USA1: You have often told us that if we don't like what's going on in this country, we should leave. Lately, you seem to be pretty angry. Perhaps you should consider . . . oh wait, i just remembered, you can't leave. As a closet socialist, you would have to give up your government-run health coverage and your monthly government checks.

It's another beautiful day in Obama nation! Enjoy the weekend all!

The Quail

Ramble on USA. It makes no difference. It's a beautiful day in Obama nation. We have a national health care plan. It's a done deal and there is . . . . not . . . a . . . darn . . . thing . . . you . . . can . . . do!

Hang in there buddy . . . it's almost the first of the month. Your check is on the way! No need to thank me . . . I'll go to work on Monday, because I know how important that government help is to you. We socialists have to stick together.

The Quail