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Work and Play | Nightlife comes alive in Youngstown, Ohio



Published: Sun, March 7, 2010 @ 12:01 a.m.

By Melinda Gray

The NewsOutlet.org

YOUNGSTOWN

  Downtown Patrons

Patrons take in the sights and sounds of downtown Youngstown nightlife. The NewsOutlet is a joint media venture by student and professional journalists and is a collaboration of Youngstown State University, WYSU radio and The Vindicator.

Patrons take in the sights and sounds of downtown Youngstown nightlife. The NewsOutlet is a joint media venture by student and professional journalists and is a collaboration of Youngstown State University, WYSU radio and The Vindicator.

About this package

Youngstown State University, WYSU radio and The Vindicator collaborate in a program called The NewsOutlet, a joint media venture by student and professional journalists.

The NewsOutlet students recently examined downtown nightlife — a slice of Youngstown that is a growing attraction and destination — and also unknown to many Valley residents.

More than one dozen students hit downtown on Feb. 26 and 27. The result is a two-part package featured today and Monday that looks at this micro-economy — from the business owners to the workers; from the artists who perform to the patrons who come from throughout the Valley and Northeast Ohio to be entertained.

When the lights of downtown office buildings are turned off each night, another set of lights turns on.

More than a dozen nightspots dot the downtown streets and are quietly and steadily becoming their own micro-economy. They cater to a variety of tastes — from students to professors; from business people to blue-collar workers.

For downtown nightlife patrons, the appeal varies. From Struthers they come. And Boardman. And Canfield.

Some arrive in town for Youngstown State University events and wander down the hill; some are there for the growing art scene. Some just come to have fun.

That most of the nightspots are within walking distance of one another adds to the appeal.

On South Hazel Street, Joe Mondora, 39, Struthers, walked with friends to Cedars Lounge to celebrate with the establishment’s owner, Mara Simon, on her birthday.

“We came for the arts, the Johnny Cash tribute band, The Lemon Grove and to rub elbows with other artists from Youngstown, to support Youngstown,” said Mondora. In his group were Fran Ruble, 42, Hubbard; Dave Mularchik, 38, Boardman; and Alfonso Labra, 36, Canfield.

They were in the city for an art event. Labra and Mondora are artists.

“I got together a bunch of friends, and there was interesting conversation and interesting people,” said Mondora. “It’s very laid back.”

A block away at Barley’s, 21 West Federal St., sat Dennis Justice, 50, Youngstown. He’s been coming downtown for about two years.

“I would rate it about an eight out of 10,” he said.

Down the street at Draught House, Kevin White, 38, Youngstown, enjoyed a conversation with three friends.

“I had things to do, stuff at home, but I had to come out. I love the snow.” He is a part-time teacher at YSU and an intern at Rite Aid.

Another group of students played darts and pool in the front room. James Hayes, 22, a student at Cleveland State University, came to Youngstown to DJ the “Dance for a Cure” event at YSU. Hayes said that he likes the nightlife offered here.

“I have a lot of good memories in Youngstown.”

On another part of West Federal, sisters Chelsea and Miranda Campbell of Canfield shivered in their skirts and open-toed shoes as they hurried into Rosetta Stone.

“Rosetta Stone is the best ever,” said Chelsea, 21. Miranda is 22. They said they often come to listen to great bands and experience the lively downtown atmosphere.

Rhythm Nation Band filled Rosetta with song and a fog machine filled the air. Patrons of all ages danced and chatted with one another on the crowded dance floor.

In the crowd was new bride Anjie Greenwalt, 33, and her husband Chuck, 32, both from Youngstown. They were having their wedding reception there.

“My sister works here, and the food is wonderful. We’re having a great time,” she said.

Across the street at downtown’s newest nightspot, the Love Lounge, were Nicole Ellis of Boardman and Marlene Lyles, 29, of New Castle, Pa.

The women said that they just wouldn’t let the weather keep them home.

“We came out to go clubbin’,” said Ellis.

Briana Hideg, 24, attends YSU and bartends in Austintown. She loves to come to downtown Youngstown and was on her way to another West Federal club — Downtown 36. “It’s fun to dance and there’s good music. The owners all interact with the people.”

The red lights around the 36 bar glowed and a mostly YSU crowd danced to hip-hop sounds.

Hideg said she feels safe downtown because of the police presence.

She thinks that downtown could use more bars and restaurants, but that it is coming along nicely.

“The more they build it up, the better it is for the economy here.”

The NewsOutlet is a joint media venture by student and professional journalists and is a collaboration of Youngstown State University, WYSU radio and The Vindicator.

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Comments

1Tigerlily(500 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

what would you suggest?

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2TB(1167 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Bob Hagan recommends the Lemon Grove I bet.

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3Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

I would come downtown to watch Hagan and Thomas do a tap dance act at the Lemon Grove . Perhaps Dorian should consider training and using Bob in his act . This act would be a real knockout !

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4Maggie_Pentz(86 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

AYE, AYE, AYE!!!

I miss the Good Food Co-op.

Hate driving to Chagrin Falls for Trader Joe's.

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5Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

clarkkent :

Walking down the middle of the street like the own the place . . ..

They don't seem to mind the chilly weather in that attire .

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6Silence_Dogood(1384 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

The picture on the front page of the print edition says it all !
Come to Youngstown were the people walk down the middle of the street because they don't know how to use a sidewalk.But be forewarned , don't try and beep your car horn at them to get them to move. First off they wont move and secondly they might swarm your car as described in the past by an article in the Vindy, or worse yet they might shoot you for DISSIN THEM.

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7TB(1167 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

the accompanying pic of a nearly empty dance floor really drives the message of this article home too.

Perhaps, since the people coming downtown to celebrate the nightlife, all come from outside of Youngstown...perhaps the YPD should set up some DUI checkpoints to make sure these people are celebrating responsibly.

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8SemperTyrannis(49 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Oh boy... once again the racial comment have to come out. Wow..there are four black girls walking down the street on the cover of the Vindy. Who cares? If any of you people would actually go downtown, which you won't, you'd know that the white girls dress just as provocatively.

And I would challenge you to name the last time someone has been shot downtown (especially by some black girls) for "dissin" someone. Instead of resulting to racism and scare tactics, why don't some of you people actually come downtown and check it out? You'll find that many of your preconceptions are completely off the mark.

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9mickd(10 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Downtown is a large, pathetic watering hole. There are no "posh" establishments downtown. Rosetta Stone is nice and so is Imbibe... but they're not really "exclusive" or "posh". The Youngstown Club is a nice establishment.

Downtown 36 is on their last leg... there is no way they will remain in business much longer due to Gossip taking all their business. I was there Saturday and doubt there was more than 30 people there, when a year ago you couldn't have even gotten in at the time I arrived.

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10mickd(10 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Oh, and this video is an embarassment to Youngstown. I loved the people making out in the background in the Draught House clip. And the dude with a beer bottle OUTSIDE. People just walking anywhere they desire without care to cars. Classy.

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11SemperTyrannis(49 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

mickd,

Yeah, it's a real embarrassment to Youngstown?! You can see all that and FAR more in any mid-sized or large metropolitan city in the country. You don't get out much do you?

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12mickd(10 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Semper,

I get out a lot. I prefer going the extra distance and going out in Pittsburgh or Cleveland. I have a good group of friends and we take turns being DD.

It's embarassing the way the video portrayed downtown. The cameraman could have pointed in a different direction to avoid grouping couples or not interviewed people drinking outside. And my God... whoever hired that narrator needs fired LOL.

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13westside(47 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

mickd, it may come as a shock to you, but several of the bars downtown have GASP! outside drinking areas. maybe you should know what youre talking about before you run your high and mighty mouth.

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14SemperTyrannis(49 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

I go to Cleveland occasionally myself and I see the exact same things-and worse. Not to mention, people are actually murdered in downtown Cleveland, quite unlike downtown Youngstown.

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15hipnana(6 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Yes, we could use a Trader Joe's and also Pottery Barn and Crate & Barrel. Maybe even IKEA . That would be GREAT. This way we wouldn't have to travel to Pittsburgh or Cleveland. Keep the money here!!!!!!

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16candystriper(575 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Williams Sonoma,Inc earnings will be out March 15...they should disappoint..Trader Joe's best seller is $2 Buck Chuck. Costco accepts food stamps and just reported store profit came from gasoline sales. How about a Ruth Chris Steak House?

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17mcluvin(72 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

To all of you bashing downtown newsflash for ya, stay out of downtown. We don't need you. Downtown is the place to be much to your disapointment. It has grown into a nice nightlife without you and will continue to grow without you. Sure you can drive to Pittsburgh and I do occasionally but to do it all the time? That gets old real fast. Other then bars there is a real nice candy shop for the kids, a great barbershop / mens saloon to get everything from a haircut to hot stone therapy massages. An icecream shop is opening soon, a guitar store is now open on Phelps. Anyways keep your sorry asses out in the burbs with the overpriced chain places and car robberys at the mall. We like downtown just fine the way it is...without you :-)

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18sue(173 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Why is it every time there is good news in this Valley people have to be negative. Downtown is looking better than it has in decades. I hope people of all ages go to the bars and restaurants. As to the 4 back women photographed, god bless them, I hope they had fun that night. Youngstown could use more integration in its social scene.

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19Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

It is but a matter of time before a place that rents rooms by the hour and runs an escort service establishes itself downtown .

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20TB(1167 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Care to elaborate on how and why Stan?

"Anyways keep your sorry asses out in the burbs with the overpriced chain places and car robberys at the mall. We like downtown just fine the way it is...without you :-)"

But, in the article, only two people were really from Youngstown. Do you really want the people from outside to stay away? What a great business model!

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21Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

TB :

"Care to elaborate on how and why Stan?"

When you build an economy on alcohol and night life you get the associated problems and support structure . We have no sobriety checkpoints there because they don't want to scare business away .

More needs to be done to develop the downtown . How about bringing light industry into the outskirts of the downtown ? Then the downtown could be devceloped into more office space to support the light industry . Stores and shops would then have clientele for sales .

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22rhythmnationonline(4 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

We have been watching the downtown scene steadily grow over the last couple of years. There is good and bad everywhere - but Youngstown is changing. 10 years ago I wouldn't have been caught dead downtown, it's completely changed. Rosetta is about as nice a place as you can ask for, and it's not in Boardman or Canfield or Niles, it's DOWNTOWN. And from what I hear there are a lot more plans for the scene to grow. My take, shared by others I've talked to: the economy has taken a big hit, but in this area we know how to deal with depression, we've been doing it steadily since the 70's. There are people who have dedicated their lives to turning this city around and their hard work is finally paying off. If you don't want to go downtown, then don't. But a lot of people are, and it's because they obviously agree. Give it a chance - you might be surprised. I can't speak for too many other clubs, but Rosetta has great food, a great atmosphere, and they don't put up with any crap. When I walk outside, there are security all over downtown. It's the perfect example of how you can turn a city around if you really want to. Prostitutes? Please. It's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot than to open it up and remove all doubt.

And for the poster who responded to one picture, which was taken during the worst snow storm we had downtown, it's a testament to how much people like it downtown - they braved the snow to come out and party at Rosetta. McMenamy's closed, presumably because they figured nobody was driving to Niles to party with them. On any given night we're at Rosetta, you CANNOT find a spot on the dancefloor. Where else in the Ytown area are they pulling crowds like these? We don't see it anywhere unless we travel to Erie or Pittsburgh or Cleveland. This is happening in your backyard...

Youngstown is an easy scapegoat. And some people just don't feel good about themselves until they feel like they've put someone else down. The rest of us want to see Ytown and it's residents lifted up, and that's exactly what's happening. We're proud to be a part of it!!!

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23Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Security downtown ? Yep, we seen it in action at the Covelli Centre recently .http://www.vindy.com/news/2010/feb/11/suspect-sought-in-80k-covelli-robbery/ I strongly suggest not going downtown alone . Criminals are waiting to get their share of the prosperity .

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24valleyred(1100 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Well I couldn't do much more but to nod my head in disgust of that picture on the front page of today's Vindicator. Just what out of town travelers or visitors need to see in our wonderful downtown: four girls with low cut skirts acting like they own W. Federal Street!

Downtown is not full of prostitutes! I just wish the Vindicator would have done a bit more due diligence on there part. With that new press of their's, these pictures come out clear, which in today's case was a bad thing haha!

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25mcluvin(72 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

"Security downtown ? I strongly suggest not going downtown alone . Criminals are waiting to get their share of the prosperity"

Yaaaawwwn. Give it up It's played bro.

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26rhythmnationonline(4 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

The Covelli center was rumored to be an inside job. And what city doesn't have crime? Are you seriously going to say that things aren't better in Youngstown? Because you can point to one or two negative incidents?

The person who left Youngstown 10 years ago sounds smart. I guess a lot of smart people left Youngstown. Hmm. Who does that leave us with? You tell me - read these posts.

I didn't see the print version, but whatever, have you turned your tv on lately? Do we really think that parents with children or business think that one photo represents an entire city and its views? C'mon people.

The bottom line is there are people out here spending money and taking risks in Youngstown to make a go of it. The rest of you bad mouthing the city and ignoring their efforts - you have to ask yourself - are you part of the problem or are you part of the solution? What kind of contribution are you making to make Youngstown a better place?

But that's just the thing - you think you're showing your intelligence by making negative comments about the city and the people who are trying to change it, when you're really only showing how ignorant you are. I mean, if you hate the place so bad, why are you still here? Just so you can hear yourself bash it? Hate seems to be the theme in your life, doesn't it?

For the rest of us who don't hate it, (or ourselves) we're going to make it a better place. When you're ready to join us, you'll be welcome with open arms and the whole city will be better for it.

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27WarrenRicheyKid(167 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Today’s article on our lively downtown scene is plainly good news, no other way to look at it. Now, there’s more work to be done to make the area shine 24 hours a day:
a critical mass of housing,
a supermarket, and a
a drugstore.
City and towns all over the country are rediscovering the magic of their downtowns. Now it's Youngstown's turn.

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28rhythmnationonline(4 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Amen Warren!

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29Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

rhythmnationonline :

"What kind of contribution are you making to make Youngstown a better place? "

I don't support the drug culture by buying their products or allowing myself to be a victim of their solicitations .

Downtown security is so good that they can't protect their crown jewel "The Covelli Centre" but they could protect me, right ? I stand by statement that in the interest of safety don't travel there alone .

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30SemperTyrannis(49 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

How many people have been robbed or killed in downtown Youngstown anytime recently?

The Covelli Center (almost certainly an inside job). That's all you can come up with?

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31WarrenRicheyKid(167 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

"An icecream shop is opening soon, a guitar store is now open on Phelps."
Now you're talking!

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32ytownpunk(26 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Ten years ago, I would go to Cedars just about every week. The chance of seeing a cool band was pretty high and there weren't a lot of hipsters. Crime? meh...you might get your car broken into, but other than that there was more risk of something bad happening in the uptown region.

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33north_side_girl(213 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

am i the only one who thinks it's odd for people to go to trader joe's for organic "better for the environment" food but don't mind burning oil and gas driving an hour to cleveland or pittsburgh? i guess it comes with the whole suburban contradiction of loving small-town goods bought at giant mega-shopping kingdoms like robinson and easton.

in closing, downtown ytown is awesome not just for cheap booze but for art, music, history, and people. and men's hats!

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34rhythmnationonline(4 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Stan:

rhythmnationonline :

" "What kind of contribution are you making to make Youngstown a better place? " "

"I don't support the drug culture by buying their products or allowing myself to be a victim of their solicitations ."

That's your contribution to our society? Not buying drugs? OK...well, thanks. I'm talking about people willing to put forth a little more effort, though.

How exactly would a person "allow themselves" to be victimized by a solicitation for anything?

Assuming you were alive in the 80's...didn't you learn anything from Nancy Reagan?

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35Lifes2Short(3878 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

rhythmnationonline

"Youngstown is an easy scapegoat. And some people just don't feel good about themselves until they feel like they've put someone else down. The rest of us want to see Ytown and it's residents lifted up, and that's exactly what's happening. We're proud to be a part of it!!!"

I've been saying that for quite awhile now. Good comment.

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36YtownArtist(50 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Stan, all of us who work downtown are getting real sick of you running your mouth.

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37YtownArtist(50 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

You're such a funny guy, why don't you come down and do a PUBLIC performance?

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38sneaux49(11 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

You're talking Youngstown, not Beverly Hills. Be happy with what you have. With all the negativity that surrounds Ytown, enjoy. Criticism can come from outside the city. Seems as though everytime an article is written about the worse cities to live in there's Youngstown. I'm a native, but moved in 1978 because there was NOTHING THERE. So give it a break, and don't forget the past.

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39WarrenRicheyKid(167 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

The next time you're at the Rosetta Stone try the bruschetta dribbled with reduced balsamic vinegar.
It's great Youngstown has a reasonably priced eatery that's not part of a chain. You can actually talk to the chef, if you like.

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40blkpride(186 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Work and Play || Nightlife comes alive in Youngstown, Ohio with gunfire erupting behind the police station Saturday night before this article ran.

Thanks to the "Love Lounge" and Barley's, downtown is now no place to go because it is the new south side. So much for a good thing and as usual Vindy did not cover that!

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41Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Who wants to go out for the evening into a war zone ? The downtown needs the criminal element gathered up and put in the slammer . Criminals are a parasite on society . Far too many families in The Valley have loved ones in the grave because they were murdered . If they don't fear YPD and shoot behind the station this says it all .

NO FEAR ? FEAR THIS !

http://i45.tinypic.com/19l9wm.jpg

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42abcdefg123(3 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Stan - If you have so much to complain about, how about you ponder the idea of relocating? Move somewhere that "lives up to your standards" so we don't have to hear your mouth anymore.

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43Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Psssssttttttt abcdefg123 . . ..

Can I tell you sumtink . . ..?

I find your whining amusing ! So you don't like rules or standards ? Perhaps you should work on eliminating all the laws and shutting down all the prisons .

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44abcdefg123(3 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

No one is whining but you and everyone is sick of it Mr. 3,741 comments and counting. Don't you have anything better to do with your life other than sit on your computer and complain about where you live? Judging on the excessive amount of comments you've posted, I'd say you do not....

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45Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

abcdefg123 :

Thanks for noticing my comments ! Readers are always appreciated ! BTW I don't complain about where I live . However I do voice my opinion of things that do go on that shouldn't . I am not as liberal as you are but I am entertained by your comments !

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46abcdefg123(3 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Don't quit your day job..if you even have one.

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47walter_sobchak(1979 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

C'mon, Stan. This is ridiculous. Once again, a cloud for every silver lining! The change in downtown has been pnenomenal for a city that is drastically reducing in size. You have to go back to the '50's and '60's to see this much action going on down there. The malls killed off the retail in all downtowns, not just Y-town. Theaters need to have at least 10 screens now.

Anyone with half a brain realized that the only thing that would save downtown was moving YSU closer to the business area and that is what is happening. They created an entertainment district with cheap liqour licenses and bars have opened. What a surprise! SO what? People are now coming to the central business district and are finding that it is pretty nice. Plus it gives those from YSU somewhere close to go. This is a win all around.

ANd, Lombardo, you continue to be an a-hole. Do you really think because there are so many drinking establishments that alcoholism is going to increase? The problem is we keep holding drinking out like a carrot on a string to young people. Raise your kids properly and they will know right from wrong. I grew up on the South Side near Teenie's. At one time, there were about 16 bars on South Ave. from Indianola to Midlothian yet neither me nor any of my friends from the neighborhood are alcoholics! Lower the drinking age to 18 and let the adults be adults, with all the ramifications for their actions.

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48walter_sobchak(1979 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

You are out of your element, lombardo.

The taverns along South Ave. did not cause that area to be destroyed. When those places were open 40 years ago, they were respectable businesses. As the population in Y-town declined in the '70's, there was insufficient business for so many places and they slowly closed, one by one. It wasn't until the early '90's that the area started to turn and that was due to drugs.

When I was in college, we knew all the places around town that would serve us more than draft beer. It still exists today. Most college presidents want the drinking age lowered as they realize that it will cut down on binge drinking. And, if college kids want to spend all their money on drinking, well, it's still a free country, in spite of what the president believes. Let them learn the hard way! Besides, the gov't makes tons of money off of it.

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49onthetown(254 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

"I can envision a lot of college kids blowing all of their money at the bars downtown, instead of saving and studying."

If they want to blow their money at the bar, then they should be allowed to blow their money at the bar. The courts have roundly rejected prior restraint, lombardo.

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50Lifes2Short(3878 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Bars and nightclubs and restaurants are what the night life is all about in every city, small, medium and large, and especially a college town. There isn't a city that has activities for children after dark, so not sure what you want your children to do when night time comes. It's good that Youngstown is at least trying to rebuild downtown. And hopefully more establishments come along. It is what it is.

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51city_resident(513 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Jeez, I'm no socialite. But even I like to go out for a nice meal, or an evening spent with friends now and then. And, I'm nowhere near financial ruin.

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52YtownArtist(50 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Stan isn't afraid of crime, he is afraid of being laughed at by the pretty women (especially the college girls) who now frequent the downtown.....

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53YtownArtist(50 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Stan sitting at a downtown bar says to the hot college girl next him," Hey sweetie, don't you think Hulk Hogan is just the coolest dude EVER !?".....

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54Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

YtownArtist :

So the YSU babes have no time for ya ? Seems like your trying to relate others to your experience .

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55YtownArtist(50 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

From sociologist, to criminologist, to psycho-analyst. Amazing! How about we just go for plain old psycho?

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56ytownredux(117 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

The only thing I will give to these haters, is that the Vindicator gave to narrow a focus to the bars and restaurants in downtown. There is a LOT more going on downtown than just bars and restaurants, but they are bringing a lot more people downtown and not a criminal element. There is a barber and spa in downtown, a record store that can actually find you old vinyl records that you used to own and want to again. There is an avante garde theatre in the Oakland and local and travelling shows at Powers and DeYor.

There are businesses and apartments being built downtown. A couple of hundred positions downtown announced over the last couple of weeks. There are peace runs and festivals for italians, lucky pennys family reunion and gay pride. There are special events at the B&O and a singing legend coming to the Covelli Centre. The YMCA does more for youth and families than many organizations do in the suburbs.

You can choose to be afraid of the past, the drugs, the racism, the few buildings in need of some serious repair. Or you can work to change it. The negative people will never change their mind because that's how they get attention (stan) but rest assured those that are excited about the present and continuing revitalization of downtown will continue to do our work as well. It is a sad life to seek out the negative and hope for people to fail, but it is an exciting life to be apart of positive change, no matter what the odds and challenges we come up against.

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57Lifes2Short(3878 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

lombardo

You really need to get out once in a while. Ouch.

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58walter_sobchak(1979 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

lombardo,
Get a life! We live in a society and we should socialize once in a while. We were all put on this earth to help one another. But, feel free to stay in your hole and internalize. And, utility bills are not long term debt, they are current expenses. BTW, do you grow all of your own food, slaughter your own animals, make your own clothes or do these items get purchased. Do you make your own condoms for use with your special lady friend or do you just handle it the old-fashioned, manual way?

onthetown, I'm just going to sit here and enjoy my coffee. Enjoying my coffee!

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59city_resident(513 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Youngstown is still losing population, but not at a steady rate. The biggest losses were in the 70's and 80's. The population decline has slowed down since then.

Population loss:
1961-1970 - 15.5%
1971-1980 - 18%
1981-1990 - 17.1%
1991-2000 - 14.3%
2001-2008 (estimate) - 11.1%

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60northsideart(111 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

It's not my scene, but nightlife is what tends to happen in cities after dark. Glad to hear that there's some progress down there. If you want downtown to be really nice, you should move the wrta station and the plasma donation center to less conspicuous areas. Bad actors with no money are not good for downtown.

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61ytownredux(117 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

I have to differ with you on 2 points Anti-Youngstown; first, if you are not being a hater I would not want to know what your log-on name would be if you really didn't like Youngstown. Second, you are right, not everyone is going to want to drive down the bad parts of Market Street to come to Youngstown, but what about all of the students from YSU who don't want to go out to the burbs, and it's a nice drive in from Austintown off 680 and down market street bridge to downtown.

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62YtownArtist(50 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

YSU has over 12,000 students and the new School of Business (which is nearing completion) is now Downtown. Do we really need anyone from anywhere else? I certainly am not interested in dragging uncooperative suburbanites down here.

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63VindyOne(20 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

I agree with ytownredux

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64atek101(77 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Actually, a lot of students hang out downtown at night. In fact, that's where a lot of my friends hang out almost exclusively. That includes both residents to campus and people that commute from the suburbs. Where else would we go, honestly?

Additionally, the number of students living on campus is increasing steadily. The new dorm facility they are building now will increase that number by 400+ when the quad project is completed. The first building will be done by June and is already filling up fast, and the second of four buildings will be going up in July. On top of that, there are several smaller-scale student housing and investment projects going on around campus in the Wick Park area and I believe a private dorm is planned for a building near the business school downtown in the near future.

Downtown offers a variety of very unique entertainment options and makes them convenient to walk from one to another without having to get in your car. That's especially important for people over 21 who should not be driving if they have been drinking. Downtown is also conveniently walkable from all campus residential areas, which is nice for people who live on campus.

To attract more college students, Downtown needs more places like the Lemon Grove that provide alternative beverage options to alcohol, healthy food at a reasonable price, and other amenities that many college students desire. That way students under 21 also have spaces to hang out, drink coffee, listen to music, and get homework done within convenient distance from campus. For nerds like me, it's nice to have a place nearby with WiFi and coffee that's open late so I can bring my laptop down and get homework done after class and work let out.

The concentration of bars, clubs, and performance venues that downtown has begun to accumulate functions very much under a business model similar to car dealerships. The more of them there are in one area, the more people they seem to attract, including those from the suburbs. People like entertainment options and they like the convenience of having them all close together. Each place downtown has its own niche but also caters to the general population of downtown patrons.

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65FPC(1 comment)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

With all the talks about a "better" downtown, what about if downtown offered a mixed use development? I'm talking about the crate barrell store, ice cream parlor, barber shop, restuarant, jazz club , piano bars, clubs, or whatever you would suggest., in addition to a safe condo style living on the above floors, all in the same building. Basically its a place where you can live/work/and enjoy night life. What do you think about that? If you don't like it, then what do you suggest?

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