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Campbell mayor, council at odds over budget

Published: Sat, March 6, 2010 @ 12:06 a.m.

By Jeanne Starmack



The city has a balanced budget, but it’s still in fiscal emergency until it can project budgets for the next five years in which spending doesn’t outpace revenues.

A state commission that oversees Campbell’s spending is still going to call the shots until the five-year forecast is satisfactory.

The financial distress is a heavy weight for the small city.

Police are frustrated because of inadequate manpower in their department and no raises in six years. The understaffed fire department will actually cost residents, who will now pay more in homeowner’s insurance.

Added to the mix is a new mayor who is so at odds with city council and the city’s finance director that he plans to veto the budget that council approved Wednesday. Mayor George Krinos says the council and Finance Director Sherman Miles altered his budget proposal in meetings that didn’t include him. Council, in turn, is ready to override the veto.

Some residents are angry — they come to council meetings and accuse council of not working with Krinos, who was elected in November over longtime mayor Jack Dill.

Council member Juanita Rich said she’s frustrated when residents accuse council members of having their own agendas.

“My ‘agenda’ is to serve my ward and the city,” she said.

From out of this scenario, city officials have to chart a way to financial recovery. The city is expected to introduce a recovery plan soon and will submit it to the state.

Campbell has been in fiscal emergency since 2004. The 2010 budget balanced after state-ordered revisions eliminated a $463,000 deficit. But the five-year projections also need that black ink, said Paul Marshall, chairman of the state oversight commission, at a meeting Thursday between the commission and city officials.

The new budget shows a carryover of $753,320 at the end of 2010. But the city can’t use the carryover to hire more employees, Marshall explained — once the carry-over is spent, it’s gone.

To get rid of deficit spending, the city needs new revenues or it must make more cuts. The city could hire new employees or give raises, he said — but it will have to pay for them through new revenues or cuts.

Residents want the crisis solved. One complained Wednesday his homeowner’s insurance is going up 50 percent because of the understaffed fire department.

Krinos recalled a laid-off firefighter in January. Now, he contends, the budget revisions done without him eliminated the money for that firefighter, and he may have to be laid off again. The state says only that a budget adjustment has to be made.

Miles countered that among other weaknesses in Krinos’ budget proposal, it “gutted the park fund” by $100,000.

Rich said Krinos needs to realize the city doesn’t have the money to give him everything he wants.

She said legislation Krinos sponsored on leasing street- and storm-sewer cleaning equipment is an example of “surprises,” because Krinos doesn’t adequately discuss legislation with council before drafting it. Krinos says leasing the equipment will save money over contracting cleaning services. The state would want proof of that. Council sent his legislation into committee Wednesday.

Rich also said that Krinos’ budget was just a proposal. Council makes the budget appropriations.


1Ctown(115 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

I don't blame council on this. They see that the mayor can't manage his personal finances thus they have little faith in him managing the city's finances. It is not the current mayor's fault that the city is in the condition in which it is in. However, I don't feel that he has a clue on how to turn the city around.

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2Ctown(115 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

You stated that the finance director couldn't keep the the finances for a lemonade stand....just go to Mahoning County Public Access and see how good the mayor has done at keeping his personal finances. You stated that the finance director is a career student with multiple degrees. At least the finance director has a college degree...something Mr. Krinos doesn't have as he is a college dropout. Also, why cut the parks so much? It's the one nice thing Campbell has.

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3theword(342 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Didn't you read the atricle? The Mayors budget of $140,00 is only $10,000 off of councils budget. The difference is the $100,000 the Mayor wants to cut from the park fund.

If he cuts that from the park fund how will the grass get cut who will maintain the park?

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4Ctown(115 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago


I agree with your last post. That's why nobody can explain anything to you. Keep believing your mayor.....his wedding caterer believed that she would get paid by him and look where that got her.

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544girl(14 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

I think the Mayor got into something he cannot handle. Get your household in order before trying to run for Mayor!!

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6cmhs68(134 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

The college drop out or not, he owns a business, has been working since he was 14 yrs old and you dont need to have a degree to understand a debit and credit system.

If you went to the council meetings you would have heard the Mayor (at least the last 5 council meetings) say to council that he is going to sponsor legislation to lease a street sweeper and vacuum truck. The street sweeper they have is broken and can not be fixed. EPA requires a mandatory cleaning 1 time a yr or up to a 20k fine. The Mayor got quotes on this and it was about 17k for company to go one time around the city. The same price as annual payment on a 5 yr lease and you can sweep the streets more then once.
Second the storm sewers have to be cleaned out 1x a yr or you have peoples basements flooding. The cost of this as to an outside 3rd party company is aobut 45k to do 1/3 of the city, the Mayor stated in prior meeting he was going to sponsor the legislation to lease this equipment because that was the same price as an annual payment on a 5 yr lease and the all of the sewers can be done every yr..
The budget council and miles are passing will not allow for this to happen.

Oh yea also where miles and the State say only a budget adjustment has to me made for the fire fighter. Well wouldnt that put the budget council and miles are passing in the negative if his overall suprlus is only 30k. The fireman with benefits gets paid 55k annually.

The mayors budget is a 140k with leasing the equipment and also keeping the firefighter.

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7cmhs68(134 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

As for "gutting the park fund by 100k" as Miles says. The reality is the Mayor is not spending the 100k that council and miles have put in their budget to pave the streets in the park. I dont know about you but paving the park streets dosnt sound to good to me when there are other issues to worry about. There will still be the same money to pay for all the usual maintenance at the park.

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8cmhs68(134 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

for everyone

Dont forget that miles and council were the ones who stated that the -465k was good and acceptable by the state. Miles said this on council floor 3 times and its on record, also its on record that the Mayor kept saying he doesnt agree with the negative 465. Go pull the minutes. When the state came in at the end of December they told council and miles they were nuts.

The Mayor did his own budget, but what you dont know because either you dont ask or you just want to voice you opinion on here with out proof is that the Mayor called upon the 2 most seasoned people in the finance department to help him design his budget. Each person has over 25yrs experience doing the cities finances. They worked hand in hand with the Mayor. I do believe that 2 people from the finance department with over 25yrs exp each know more about the cities budget than council (who has never done budgets), miles(who has never worked in finance before), and even the Mayor(who actually owns a business and helps people find ways to make money). The dfference is the Mayor was smart enough to ask the most experienced people to help him.
It wasnt until the Mayor presented council his budget that miles numbers even began to look in the positive, which if you look at the Mayors budget vs Council and Miles budget the Mayors budget overall is better, stronger, and will help the city.

Go to city hall and get the facts.

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9cmhs68(134 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago


Also the Mayor after working with one of those people from the finance department with over 25yrs exp and he holds 2 degrees the Mayor felt that person would make a great finance director. The Mayor nominated this person at the last council meeting on Wednesday and council wouldnt even make a motion on it.
The person has 24 more yrs exp on the job, 2 degrees and has served as interim finance director when the city needs one. I think he sound well qualified.
Tell me that dosnt look like they have their own agenda. Yea Right.

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10Ctown(115 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

When the mayor can get his own personal budget in order, then people will have confidence in him to get the city's budget in order. If it isn't a bankruptcy, it's a foreclosure, if it's not a foreclosure, it's stiffing a caterer, if it's not that, it's something else. Someone mentioned on here that he is behind in his business rent and owes newspapers for ads. When will it end? I'm not saying that the current finance director is the answer, as he's not. However, the mayor is not the answer either. Both should step down and the city can start from scratch.

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11cmhs68(134 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

I have commented before go ask the Mayor about all of this stuff you are saying. He made a very nice comment at his Town Hall Meeting. "Dont ask if you dont want to know the truth:. You can sit here and point the finger all you want but I am sure that if I knew who you were I could look up things to point the finger at you. You can claim that you never have been late on a bill, that you have never filed bankruptcy, that all of your personal budget is in order. NO ONE who reads this can prove anything about themselves without revealing who they are. For all we know you might live in a glass house.
I admire the fact that he is not perfect that he has had his own financial strugles and made it through them, heck Dave Ramsey who is a national financial advisor got to where he is at by filing bankruptcy, lossing everything and working his way out of it and it gave him the experience to now host a national talk show. To own the type of business the Mayor does and to help people the way he does I give him all the blessings in this world. As for the caterer thats old news and I will tell you again wait and see what happens in court. You can go ask the Mayor anything about his personal life, business life or maybe how about what really matters, CITY BUSINESS. If you do I will gurantee toyou he will tell you how, when, and why and no excuses will be made by him for his own defense.

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12Ctown(115 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

I agree that we've all made mistakes however I've never bounced a check, never filed bankruptcy, never, ever been late on a bill, and have my personal budget in good order. I also paid the caterer for my wedding. You say the caterer news is old news. It is not old news. You say that he's had his own financial struggles and made it through them. I don't think he's made it through them. There are still numerous cases on Public Access and I wonder how many more will be added in the next few months.

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13cmhs68(134 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

I appreciate your humble statement but lets stick to city business keep in mind that the real people who helped create and design the budget the Mayor wants to put in place was done by 2 people with over 25yrs exp each in the finance department and one of them has been the interim finance director and had more time on the job as interim finance director then miles has as councils permenant finance director. The Mayor stated on the floor at Wednesdays meeting that these 2 people were instrumental in designing his budget, so even if the Mayor was unable to manage his personal finaces which is what I will assume you are saying, the 2 people with 25yrs experience do know what they are doing and would not design a week budget for the sake of potentially hurting their jobs and fellow employees.
I hope you can agree with me on this. .

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14mrblue(1175 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

It has already been established that city council is not going to go along with the mayor. They made up their minds when Mr. Krinos beat Mr. Dill in the election. The city was on a down hill slide even before Mr. Dill was elected. Unfortunately Mr. Dill did nothing to stop the decline. By the way, it is the same city council. They must work together before it's too late, if it isn't already.

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15mrblue(1175 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Hey, here's a thought. Since Mrs. Rich has all the answers, maybe she should be the mayor. It is obvious that no one else on city council has an original thought.

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16cmhs68(134 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago


It was also something that SHE said publicly to many people that she will run for mayor in 2011 while she supported Jack Dill in 2009 even though she did and said anything and everything to disgrace Jacks mayoral position, ability to do his job which was on the radio 0n 1330am when she ran against him in 05.
Mr Miles who is the finance director was appointed by Jack Dill 2 months before the election and then you see a sign in Mrs Rich yard supporting Jack Dill. Mr. Miles was Mrs Rich's campaign manager, and Mr Miles also sued the city several times (for items in her favor) when Mrs. Rich was running against Jack Dill.
What a coincidence would you not agree?
How bad is it that Jack layed off Mrs. Rich's own son in law and he (the son in law) and his wife (her daughter) were in such financial hardships they barely pulled through, yet she supported Jack in the last election while her family suffered. Dont know if anyone can explain that to me but I would love to know the answer.
Also you will notice she is the only council person always trying to get in the spotlight.
So if anyone can say that she or a majority of council dosnt have a personal agenda I believe you would be wroung.

Come to the meetings and see this for yourself.

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17Ctown(115 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Ok, here's the solution: the mayor, finance director, and Ms. Rich should resign (in that order) and get some qualified people in there. It's apparent that neither of these three are qualified.

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