Defendant shot by Campbell bailiff during struggle

Of course this will be the bailiffs fault. The idiot wouldn't be in this predicament if she did'nt violate her probation. Useless.

The woman has created all these problems for herself. However, the penalty for fleeing from the courtroom is not death. Even for law enforcement, deadly force is only permitted in self defense or defense of another life. Deadly weapons are not permitted for capture. Thats the law. Sorry.

Campbell can't stay out of the news. This women will sue and win and this will be the end for Campbell.

Why does the Bailiff need a gun in the court house when they have police officers?

Shooting an unarmed person is uncalled for. What type of training does Cioffi have?

Not a surprise the Chief doesn't comment he never does!!!!

psyker99 and theword,
Why dont you both try READING, before making moronic comments. Cioffi didnt shoot her on purpose, it went off accidently during the struggle. He didnt open fire on this woman. I was also told by a witness that this woman went for Cioffi's gun.

grkfire

Which goes back to my question.. What type of training does Cioffi have or then a ccw permit? I'll tell you NONE.

Why did he have his gun out in the first place? HE and the city will be sued over this costing an untold amount.

"Judge Patrick Cunning’s bailiff, James Cioffi, ordered the woman to stop, then struggled with her as she was sitting in the car, WFMJ reports.

During the struggle, Cioffi’s .40-caliber pistol fired and struck the woman in the torso."

Shot while she was sitting in the car ? If James Cioffi shot the tires out I could accept that . She was not armed and how much of a threat could she have been sitting there ? There was no reason for shooting her . If the woman was black then this will further erode the support for the police by the black community . This shooting is DISGUSTING !

To all you lawyers out there, where does it say that he pulled his gun? IT DOESN'T!!!!!! READ THE WHOLE STORY FIRST PLEASE!!!!!

Yep SoupCity85 you should read and comprehend . There was no mention of her grabbing his gun !

"Judge Patrick Cunning’s bailiff, James Cioffi, ordered the woman to stop, then struggled with her as she was sitting in the car, WFMJ reports.

During the struggle, Cioffi’s .40-caliber pistol fired and struck the woman in the torso."

I believe poor choices were made by all parties involved, including the Judge.

Stan, how do you know that she didn't grab for it? You don't know what happened.

This could go both ways. First off, you don't run from a courthouse because you don't want to be arrested, that is a charge right there, secondly, if she did'nt break probation then she wouldn't be there, third, she had a car waiting for her, and who knows if the driver was packing or if she had a gun somewhere, fourth, you did the crime, take your punishment. She is wrong on all accounts.

On the other hand, a gun going off accidentally seems a little suspicious.

Bottom line, if someone is going to court on a PV, then they should expect to go to jail and not try to escape.

SoupCity85 :

"Stan, how do you know that she didn't grab for it? You don't know what happened. "

If she grabbed his gun it would have been in the news . There is no mention of it . Judge Patrick Cunning needs to get a bailiff who can put a woman in cuffs !

Hahahahahah, you're a funny one Stan.

a car is a weapon.

just sayin.

There was no mention of the car moving . How much of a threat could it have been ? A bailiff who can't put the cuffs on an unarmed woman is a joke !

I'm sure what we are able to read here is the WHOLE story.

Why doesn't the police chief ever comment on what goes on in Campbell? But then again, he may on this issue..

If its "being investigated" then how can anyone on this stupid bogs comment on what a Chief of Police should say or not say?

When the documents are released, then folks can opine about the lack of information?

FYI Most Baliffs carry a weapon.

"FYI Most Baliffs carry a weapon. "

This is common knowledge . Many are trained to put on the cuffs also . If this bailiff can't cuff a woman then I have my doubts on his ability to protect the judge or to keep order in the courtroom .

Why were not officers called when she ran outside and 4 shots to tires on car means she would not be leaving very quickly. The woman should not have run but panic of mind of possibly going to jail may have caused her to run especially if she had children. As for probation violators, if they pick up all of them court would be in cession 24 hours a day 6 days a week.
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theword:
you must be a complete idiot. im sure cioffi has a ccw permit or he wouldnt be carrying this gun. thats his training. second, nowhere does it say he pulled it out. wow, read.

stan:
it is not the bailiffs job to put cuffs on defendants, and it is definitely not their to protect the judge and the court.

and just because vindy didnt report something, doesnt mean it didnt happen. ive heard from various sources that witnessed the event, that the woman reached for his gun. thats how it went off. nobody is getting sued over anything. the woman should be sued for being a piece of crap.

grkfire:

"stan:
it is not the bailiffs job to put cuffs on defendants,"

Then he had no business chasing her or shooting an unarmed woman . I can foresee a lawsuit in the shooting of this woman .

A bailiffs job is to provide security in the courtroom .

DUTIES OF A BAILIFF

http://www.ohiobailiffs.com/documents...

While court is in session, the bailiff is responsible for the maintenance of order
and prevention of unnecessary noise or disturbances in and about the courtroom.
Her/she is also responsible to see that no-one approaches the bench without the
approval of the Judge.

grkfire

I had a typing mistake I wanted to say what other training does he have other then a ccw permit. Did he ever take a class on handcuffing or apprehending a suspect? No he didn't.

No, the story doesn't say he pulled out his weapon but I bet he did you'll see when it comes out. and why did he pull out his weapon? NO TRAINING

theword

Unless you know this bailiff personally, how do you know what kind of training he's had? Alot of bailiffs are retired police officers, no ccw required. What kind of training do you have to make you think you're qualified enough to comment? I'm sure you it all though. That's beside the point, don't draw conclusions till rest of the story comes out.

Campbell is a very nice place to live,I would live here anyday over Boardman.
The police and city hall are not perfect but the police don't pull you over and harass you like they do in Boardman.
Some of us are sensative about being stopped and our civil rights violated because some policeman is on a power trip like BPD.
I served many years in the armed forces and do not like my civil rights being trampled by the BPD and yes I NEVER go and spend my money in Boardman for just that reason!

elo1

Yes I know him. I guess u don't.. he is a retired teacher with no police back ground..

"Police found a 10,000 volt stun-gun in the on position in her car, as well as a crack pipe under the car. "
"It's unknown what could be in that motor vehicle, so at that time, the bailiff drew his service weapon, which he is qualified and certified in, and ordered her out of the car. She then made a movement toward the gun, one witness said actually grabbing the gun, at which time one round did discharge and struck the female," said Detective Rusnak.

http://www.wkbn.com/mostpopular/story...

As I read these comments, I am reminded that most of us don't have a clue about what we are talking about. I would first like to address PSYKER99's comment. The law DOES allow deadly force to be used to prevent the escape of a dangerous person. You can shoot them in the back if need be to prevent their escape. This isn't the old west. I will say, however, that shooting a person running from a probation vioalation is extreme. That, however, is not what happened. Close contact was made and their was a gun involved. People escalate situations, Put the two together and things like this happen. Simply putting cuffs on a woman who is fighting to get away is not likely without help from another. Don't believe me, try doing it yourself. While you have to increase your violence toward the woman to gain compliance, you have to keep an eye on the person in the car so they don't jump on your back. When adrenaline starts flowing--people get stronger. It is easy for a bystander to look upon that as extreme and react against the person trying to gain compliance. Furthermore, placing one cuff on her wrist is dangerous because what happens when that arm breaks loose? Now she is swinging a cuff around with ridges that will cut you like a hot knife through butter. Stan says he should have shot out his tires. I attribute that comment to the CSI effect the show has on people. This isn't TV where one shot equals one kill. Most times bullets fly randomly, go through things like tires, bounce off the pavement, and hit some innocent person on the other side of the lot. Every police agency in the country trains its officer's NOT to do just that for those very reasons. Remember to separate reality from TV. As for RIOH330, what civil rights are you referring to? You have the right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure, NOT the the right to be free from search and seizure altogether. A judge determines the reasonableness of the search or seizure. If you were convicted in court, then your stop (seizure) was deemed reasonable. Your rights weren't violated, you seem to be bitter because you believe you have more rights than you really have. I understand that adults don't like to be told what to do, but we are a nation founded on the rule of law. Even the little laws apply. Why is it that we justify our breaking of the law because somebody else broke it before, or did something worse? Why is it when we get a ticket for speeding, we blame the cop for having a bad day? Have we become so arrogant a society that we can't stand up for our own transgressions (even the smaller ones) and simply blame ourselves. We are, afterall, only human--and bound to make mistakes. Being called on those mistakes does not make you less a person, or the officer a power-hungry tyrant. It makes a country founded on the principle that all men are created equal--even if only in principle.

Stan:

Thank you for proving my point.
" the bailiff is responsible for the maintenance of order and prevention of unnecessary noise or disturbances"

The bailiff is not responsible for the security and safety of the judge, court, and people in it. That is the job of a police officer, who should be in the court for security.

grkfire :

You are proving my point ! James Cioffi acting like Barney Fife was not qualified to aprehend an escapee . Guns in the hands of the unqualified bring disaster .

WELL I DID TWO DAYS IN THE COUNTY WITH THT GIRL...SHE IS DEF SUEIN THE CRAP OUTTA THEM...EITHER WAY A GUN SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN INVOLVED WITH HIM BEING THAT CLOST TO HER...HE COULD HAVE TASERED HER AND THT WOULD HAVE BEEN COOL

USA had the best comment of the day! Don't we all wish it could be so easy!