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Boardman’s retire-rehire plan to add officer



Published: Mon, July 26, 2010 @ 12:10 a.m.

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Boardman Police Chief Jack Nichols

By Ashley Luthern

aluthern@vindy.com

Boardman

The chief of police, who has 33 years of service with the township, will retire in December.

A day later, Police Chief Jack Nichols would be rehired at a lower pay scale, and a new patrolman would be hired with the savings.

Nichols and the township trustees have a pending memorandum of understanding for the retire-rehire plan.

The trustees, after an executive session of their last meeting July 15, agreed to the memorandum originally drafted June 16. It could be finalized this week.

Nichols’ compensation is currently $128,000, which includes salary and benefits. When rehired, it will be closer to $60,000 — leaving $60,000 to be used as the starting salary for a new patrolman.

“This is at no additional burden to the taxpayer,” Nichols said, adding that he has contributed to his pension. He will have to wait two months, however, before collecting his pension.

The memorandum has a three-year term beginning Jan. 1, 2011, and an automatic three-year renewal unless the board votes otherwise. With the renewal, the agreement would be effective until Dec. 31, 2016.

The new hire would bring the police force up to 48, and two more officers would be hired when the township receives $524,246 it has secured from a federal grant.

The one-time grant will fund the salaries of two officers for three years and stipulates that the township must pay for the officers’ fourth year, said Jason Loree, township administrator.

Another factor enabling the township to hire more officers is the new negotiated wage scale, Loree said.

A starting officer earns $16 per hour, instead of the previous $22 per hour under the old contract, he said. The contract is effective until December 2011.

Township trustees also are in the process of placing a 3.85-mill police levy on the November ballot, which would generate about $3.5 million annually for the police department.


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1karol207(42 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Wow, Jack has always been a stand up Guy but this is way nice. That just shows us that there are still great men and leaders out there. Nice job Jack!

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2JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

If there is a new Chief of Police, that would mean that person will get a pay increase. To a certain degree, doesn't that negate the $60k savings that this move is generating - which is supposed to pay for an additional police officer?
It seems when everything is said and done, this move may end up costing more; Retire-rehire negates the costs to hire a new police officer, but add on a pay raise for new Chief.
Unless the Chief of Police position is not filled.

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3Silence_Dogood(1348 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

"Wow, Jack has always been a stand up Guy but this is way nice"

I will spell it out for you and then tell me that JACK is a stand up guy.

Jack will receive a pension that will be about 70% of the average of his highest three years of employment. He will have to pay a small amount for his health care package , this will vary depending upon his wife's age.
So lets just call his highest three years $100,000 (this number is reduced because the article is not clear as to what his wage is vs. what his benefit's are).
Now take 70% and you end up with $70,000. Now add that to the $60,000 that he will recieve in wages and Jack will be earning $130,000. So you see Jack is not being NOBLE, he is in fact INCREASING his take home pay by $30,000 .

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4Silence_Dogood(1348 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Its called gaming the system!

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5apollo(1227 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Only the golden trough allows this kind of fleecing. Then the township has the audacity to paint it as money saving. He's going to collect 70 thousand from the retirement system and collect 60 thousand (plus benefits) from Boardman. Guess who pays for the retirement system? Most of it comes from the taxpayers. Some Boardman unions even have the taxpayers paying all of the retirement contributions. These guys could sell ice at the North pole.

Silence_Dogood is correct. Yet another scam being perpetrated on the voters.

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6apollo(1227 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Anyone in the private sector have a nice retirement in your 50's with full pension and health care the envy of the working world AND rehired at more money than the median household income of the community? Double dipping is the latest scam of Boardman, huh KK? This is what you get when you elect a former teachers union rep in Calhoun.

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7seminole(476 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Boys and girls, looky, looky...how noble and chivalrous...this is another trustee accounting front that will end up costing the townhship more in the end. They have fleeced the township again. It's a shell game that looks sweet but the hammer will come down on those foolish enough to stay in this outhouse while the ghetto crime wave rolls over the township. He shoud take a pay cut based soley on the forces inability to enforce the simplest of laws, ie speeding, noise ordinance, expired tags, unsafe vehicles. The car break-ins are way over their heads. Hell, speeders are way over their heads. If dude is such a nobel guy then he would have done this years ago when it all came out that the accounting was all a mess and the township had no money. Why wait until now? Maybe because you barked out at a neighborhhood meeting that your force gets paid very well...I feel that since your boys are getting paid very well and not getting the job done then every single one of them should step up and take a pay cut. Where is their nobility? They could care less if the township goes under as long as they get paid up until that point. It's only a paycheck, not a way of life.

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8TheLostPatrol(756 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

May I suggest that everyone that is on Social Security; from a privately-held job, continue to receive their monthly stipend; then the U.S. Government go and re-hire them, as "government job-deprived recipients"; so that they can receive, what they could have gotten, as "double-dippers" in the public sector, but were denied as privately employed citizens in the USA. It would be like getting a rebate on previously paid taxes that you had paid all of your life, returned to you, for not having to receive them in the first place, as a salary on the backs of the american citizens.

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9Woody(452 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

JME,

Think you misunderstood the article. Jack will still be the chief.

But it makes sense for the township. The School Board already does it for teachers. They get experienced teachers to retire, and then they hire them back at a starting teachers salary. Plus their benefits are now the responsibility of the Teacher Retirement System.

The ones it usually hurts the most is the new teachers and police officers. However in this case the township can hire one new officer, while retaining the service of an experienced chief for less money.

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10jr99(88 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Woody, you seem to be one of the few people who completely understand what is going on. Everyone else cries foul, and calls this a scam. The township will be saving enough money to hire an additional police officer, and the chief's benefits are no longer the responsibility of the township (contrary what others will have you believe). His benefits will be coming from the pension he has contributed to for over THREE DECADES. But there are some jealous people on here who don't like that idea. So let's continue to have Boardman pay $128,000 for his wages and benefits (and have him sit in an office), and not hire an additional and badly needed patrol officer who will be out on the streets. I love the thinking of the jealous people on here.

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11apollo(1227 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Poor KK, trying so hard to justify yet another scam on the taxpayers. Sorry, KK, but most here know who I am. Is adding the initials really necessary and it is a terms of service violation. You should read them.

The false assumption here is the chief paid for his own pension. Again, that is false. It was paid entirely by the taxpayers whether in his contribution or the townships.

Here is a good article regarding pensions in the public sector.

http://www.governing.com/columns/publ...

This really doesn't save the township anything and will cost us more long term. It is nothing more than a stunt to fool the voters into thinking the township really cares about adding officers when it is really about allowing the chief to really profit from the golden trough.

And KK, since you were/are a public "servant" your wage and benefit information ARE public knowledge. I know you guys don't think so but it is. Soon the first half 2010 salary info will be on....

http://www.boardmanfacts.com/Links.php

Anyone concerned that township employees routinely get on here and argue with their employer the citizens? Only at the golden trough could that happen.

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12apollo(1227 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Yeah, USA1, they think that money from the state or feds is somehow gotten from Santa.

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13apollo(1227 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

KK, what does the zoning helper do? Call the owner and ask them to cut the grass and pull the weeds? For $10.50 an hour 2 days a week? Someone could use that job and provide income for a family that truly needs it. Not to provide political payback for a golden trough feeder.

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14TB(1167 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

So the guy can keep working or they can hire a new chief and forego hiring another officer?

Is this the other plan I'm seeing commenters proposing?

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15grand4dad(196 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

What is distubing to me as a taxpayer is that scams like this keep happening in the public sector. If this man has put in his 33 years and is ready to retire, then RETIRE already. Let an opportunity be created for another person to take on the position of chief. Once you are retired in the public sector, you should be prohibited from having another public position. Double dipping is just not something that should be legal. There are too many others who need a job and should be given the chance. Didn't I read somewhere where there is some pending legislation that would prohibit this double dipping retire/rehire bull***t from occuring?? Hope it passes. In the meantime, vote NO for any more taxes for Boardman!!

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16Nunya(1356 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

@karol207

You're a troll mole,..

See where everybody's perspectives are to be acknowledged as differing. Which in your case you have a misleading " Oh Wow " goodie, goodie gaffling slant to beat the damn band.

I mean here you are all over Jacks jock trying to proclaim he's taking one for humanity and society. When in reality he's damn sure not. He's actually increasing his compensation in a manner of playing all ends against the middle via the damn retire-rehire shell game.

There's nothing wrong with retiring, but if he's going to retire get off the active payroll. Don't play this selfless service BS where he retires on paper and in a nanosecond he's digging into " 3 " pots and never even left.

If he was going to play the selfless service angle take a pay cut and stop manipulating the system. If he and those self servers like himself did that it'd allow some new hires to get on board for real.

See where I have my reasons for commending and condemning when need be. But it's not slanted or self serving and I'm not partial nor will I play pansy for anybody.

You're a bias ply disservice as a cop jocker and you've done it no matter how indefensible uniformed personnel has been. See it's unneeded and misguided because there's been some outstanding and heroic police work performed.

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17Nunya(1356 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

PART II

However, irony is you've managed to have missed every last single instance when they occur. You seem to always be on the wrong side of the details. Totally missing the boat when due praise and appreciation is to be heaped upon the women and men on the forces.

HERE'S THE REVIEW:

You've fawned over a Struthers police Cheif retirement and alleged all the replacement candidates where gods,.. http://www.vindy.com/news/2010/may/04...

You were TOTALLY wrong about the police brutality case on the paraplegic,.. http://www.vindy.com/news/2010/mar/10...

You appeared to have been one of the few associated / acquainted with a detective in Poland nobody else was fond of,... http://www.vindy.com/news/2009/nov/11...

You contended an inebriated cop whom unfortunately lost his life via his own doing was framed,.. http://www.vindy.com/news/2008/jun/19...

When the innocent and victimized truck driver wasn't charged for act caused by the inebriated cop crashing into his rig you fumed,.. http://www.vindy.com/news/2008/nov/04...

See not only is that a smashup of misguided mucking the public service record up. But to bear merit you have to call it straight and by holding all to such a standard.

There's no need for moon schmoozing and trying to place the deeds of dud's, shysters and mishaps. Right alongside those of the truly outstanding on the forces.

You cheapen the honor and weaken the quality of the forces. Thus it's those like you that tries to send a misleading signal. That there's no difference in the services the communities receive from one uniformed member to the next,.. and that's absolute BULLSHISH !!!

In fact to cease being so fanatically wrong and freakishly misguided foolish. May this be the point where you learn your lesson. Being duly reintroduced to your having been oh so damn wrong and for oh so damn long,..

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18TeresaB(82 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

I don't like this sort of thing, whether it be in the schools or the police department. I would rather see either him stay on and not retire, or if he wishes to retire, then retire and allow that job to go to another person. The twp may be saving money, but at what cost?

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19Nunya(1356 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

@StoogeSA

Ohhh no you don't Handicrap,..

See this is exactly how cunning Creepo's like you try to rehash their heists as heroic. But when people catch on those like you try to point the finger at a fabricated culprit,.. OH NO YOU DON'T !!!

See even as dumb as you are you've got sense enough to know the populous aren't liking seeing who and how they're being defrauded.

So nothing due you but to try to make it appear it's the " Others guys " doing. This time even complete with presenting fraud job economic numbers right out of your misleading silly @## ,.. IT'S NOT !!!

This Jack Nichols guy has a collective city, county, state and federal pension via durable employment that's been orchestrated for RETIREMENT. But your crafty crook criminals in crime are orchestrating ways to game it.

Where in this scenario the individual is alleged to be " Retiring " but not retiring at all. Where the collusion cabal he's working with has devised a way to even skirt fair hiring practice.

To have even negotiated a rehiring of the " for pay purposes only " retiree. Without missing a single minute of accrued and continuous time at his perch.

One where he's to get public funded " retirement " pension and benefits while dipping into more public funds as salary from the populous that are being played on as personal profit prey.

Where in creatively / misleadingly and fraudulantly dividing his pay into differing parts. He'll even pay less tax's double and triple dipping into the very pool he's fleecing.

The relief funds that you so grossly misrepresent has nothing to do with this legalized embezzlement sham.

He's going to collect from a retirement pension not being retired that has NOTHING to do with the emergency relief funds in the recovery plan.

Where if he's 62 or better this individual is going to collect from employees pension, social security AND seize that $60,000.00 salary where he's never retired from at all.

It's called fraud and creative accounting where in this case a retiree was never a retiree but they've devised a way to collect retirement benefits and funds.

Now you super silly minion if you can dare implicate how the president Obama economic aide funds are supporting that by all means lets see you try that feat,.. you WON'T because you CAN'T.

This is nothing less than a something for nothing Teabaggers devised special delivery. Where in the pyramid scheme one gets to fleece off the backs of the others.

One where YOU just got caught blubbering a false outrage where with forced tongue trying to disguise it alleging the " other guy " has something to do with it,.. YOU LIE !!!

It's going to be interesting how the Boardman residents view or receive you. Now that I've pulled you and what you're so deceptively cunning about right before their very eyes.

I'd stated you mean no one any good and where I mean it you've just proved it again,.. you germ infested Jackal.

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20jr99(88 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Wow. Why the hell is this so hard for you f***ing idiots to understand??!! The township is saving $60,000+ a year. That's money they can use to hire a new officer. His benefits are coming out of his pension. And big deal if he starts collecting his pension now. The township is not paying for that; just his wages. What would you morons rather see Boardman do? Hire a completely new chief?? Guess what, retards? A new chief will cost a whole lot more than $60,000 a year for wages and benefits. And guess what else? There wouldn't be extra money to hire a new officer. Again, for the intelligence-impaired, his pension has nothing to do with Boardman once he retires, just his wages. The township is saving money, they keep a chief with 33 years of police experience, and can hire a new officer to patrol the streets. THERE IS NO COST!!!!!!!!! Get off of the fact that he will start drawing from his pension. IT DOES NOT AFFECT BOARDMAN FINANCIALLY ONE BIT ONCE HE RETIRES. Apollo, you're just a bitter, jealous a**hole, and Nunya, your ramblings make absolutely no sense. You try too hard to sound smart, but it backfires. And for the dimwits who say "where does the money for the grant to hire new police officers come from?" The same place it comes from to pay court-appointed attorneys to represent criminals, the same place it comes from to provide those same criminals with three meals a day, the same place it comes from to provide food stamps and welfare to people who abuse the system, and the same place it will come from to provide those lazy parasites with free health care: my pockets, your pockets, and every other working Americans pockets. GET OVER IT!

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21jr99(88 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

And another thing, Nunya, you idiot: there is no such thing as a CITY pension, there is no such thing as a COUNTY pension, and the chief will NOT collect social security because he does not pay into social security. He is a public employee, so therefore he pays into the STATE PERS. Anyone who does not like it, boo-f***in'-hoo. Public employees didn't make sh*t 30 years ago, while private sector employees had it sooo good. Once again, GET OVER IT, LOSERS!

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22Nunya(1356 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

@jr99

You're finished you foolish fraud,..

Aside from all the other displays of your vast varieties of duplicitous " dummy-isms " In this scenario a wealth of contributors gave spot on detections of exactly how damning this collusion caper by cash crab cronies is.

To include you're coming across in grand fashion embracing form. Where when your lies don't fly you've resorted to calling those that understand this as idiots and morons. Of course as hurled from an ingrate variety imbecile such as yourself,.. this is priceless.

See where it's already duly understood as fraud. However, nothing due but a senseless shrew like you. To dare contend they're / we're the ones that's got it all wrong here,.. not a chance.

And you're even super stupid enough to try to cite them / us as jealous? Well we'll just see about that by teaching you a long overdue lesson you larceny based liar,.. note who's catching on.

You're so much of a baseless liar and lug headed Loon. They you even alleged City and County tax money doesn't pay for employees pensions,.. since when?

And top it off alleging that if one works for the city or county they'll be disqualified for Social security benefits is hilarious,.. you're combo factually inane and criminally insane.

Now if this were a misunderstanding and you could vindicate and or convey it in a defensible manner. You'd have done it and fielded any questions that were posed via anything you were clear about.

Yet your stupidity isn't what disable that but the indefensible premise of it's entirety has already been ripped to shreds here,.. so you fume for being outed as a fraud based fool.

It's so seedy, self serving and subverting wrong that Utah, New Mexico, South Dakota, Florida and Arkansas are States working on legislation to stop the schemes by reform law you lecherous LOSER !!!

So see " jr ", the only mystery as to what you're a jr. of are things of oxymoronic in nature.

Because when it comes to idiocy, stupidly, worthlessness and ignorance you're a " jr. " to nobody. Hence is to state NOBODY of a mere imbecilic existence is any dumber than you there do boy,.. N-O-B-O-D-Y !!!!

You know don't look now Junie but you and your boys are on one hell of roll. Duly and unquestionably proving just how no good for nothing and anybody you are,.. PRESTO !!!!

See initially it was just my having stated it but you and your boys and only you and your boys could solidify proving it like you so unquestionably have,.. EUREKA !!!

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23Nunya(1356 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

PART II

See you halfwit huckster, that individual is collecting a departmental pension, qualifies for social security AND that collusion crafted $60,000.00 pay. Which that doesn't make him a double dipper,... nope.

This is a manipulation of process and procedure to draw him to scoop from 3 pots. Which makes him a TRIPLE Dipper and who cares how foolish you sound trying to contend the populous doesn't understands that,.. you reprehensible rouse.

Now for the sake of homaging your own self humiliation. Don't you think it'd be best for you to even know when you've given your own self the Que to shut up,.. Hmmm?

Where if not might I suggest you change your name to something more descriptively distinct like per se,..

Something along the lines of " jr.Jackass2000 " or something else befitting of the millennium's new meaningless Monkey with a penchant for embezzling peoples money.

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24JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

jr99, you've actually proved what many posters are saying, it will cost Boardman more.

What happens when Nichols actually retires? You still have the extra police officer that was added with this "savings". Are you going to keep the extra officer and be able to hire a new Police Cheif at $60k? Probably not.

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25apollo(1227 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

KK thinks he and his cohorts stress me out? That's laughable.

Censorship brings up another important point. When Nichols REALLY retires in a few years of double dipping, the township will then no longer be "saving" the 40 thousand and will then be stuck with another cop on the payroll and a fully paid chief.

Another scam being perpetrated and Censorship I think refers to it is the supposed freeze of wages. There really is no freeze. The yearly step increases are still in place. The only freeze that they claim is that the last contract contained no immediate across the board increase in wages. Wages in the township are constantly increasing due to step raises. (much like teachers right Brad?)

So now they've found yet another way to stick it to the taxpayers with the retire/rehire scam. I guess since they can't live without their usual outrageous increases that they got used to over the last 20 years, they had to find another way to extract more from the golden trough. A poster above seems to think that since the money is coming from the PERS system it's Santa Claus money. PERS is nothing more than another scam and broke system paid for entirely by the taxpayers. Not to mention they all like to pad their last 3 years of salaries so they can maximize the pension payout.

Just like I said the substation was a fools proposition and the clearance numbers were cooked and the CALEA accreditation was a farce, so is this.

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26L0L(661 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

He may be a nice guy but he's doing it to help himself. Having 33 years of service makes me believe that this is his situation: He put in 25 years, the normal length of a police career. He then enrolled in the drop program which is 8 years max. 25 plus 8 equals 33. This is now when he MUST retire or he will lose out on money due to the terms of the drop program. So basically, he has to retire and Boardman is just giving him a job for $60k. Yes they are getting an experienced officer however he's taking the place of newer officers getting hired which is a necessity. As officers get older they need to be replaced with younger officers to work the road. If this practice continues departments will end up with old officers to work the station but left for the road.

This practice also happens in the schools like someone pointed out and it really pi$$es me off. These teachers put in a career then retire at retirement age to collect their benefits and then get another paycheck from the school at the cost of a young graduate with a teaching degree now going unemployed. This is the reason why the young college graduates leave the area.

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