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Chief beefs up patrols; $10,000 reward offered



Published: Tue, January 26, 2010 @ 12:02 a.m.

Chief beefs up patrols; $10,000 reward offered

  St. Dominic's Shooting

Crime Stoppers offer a $10,000 reward

Crime Stoppers offer a $10,000 reward

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PLEA FOR HELP: Youngstown Councilwoman Janet Tarpley, D-6th, announces a $10,000 reward through the city’s Crimestoppers program for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the person who shot and killed Angeline Fimognari, 80, on Saturday after attending Mass at St. Dominic’s Church on East Lucius Avenue. Behind her is Mayor Jay Williams, left, and police Chief Jimmy Hughes.

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WARNING: Youngstown Prosecutor Jay Macejko said anyone who offers assistance to the person who killed Angeline Fimognari, 80, on Saturday, or withholds information from police about the crime will face charges of obstruction of justice.

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Bishop George Murry speaks to the media at the Catholic Diocese of Youngstown on Tuesday afternoon.

By JOHN W. GOODWIN JR. and DAVID SKOLNICK

VINDICATOR STAFF WRITERS

YOUNGSTOWN — Police and city officials say they want the public to feel secure in the wake of the shooting death of an elderly woman on the South Side.

Angeline Fimognari, 80, was shot in the head in the church parking lot of St. Dominic’s Church, 77 E. Lucius Ave., shortly after leaving Mass about 8:45 a.m. Saturday. Her purse was missing, and police believe she was a victim of robbery turned deadly.

Police Chief Jimmy Hughes said the South Side neighborhood around the church will see an increase in police coverage over the next several days — something that he says will make residents in the area feel more secure and put the pressure on finding the person responsible for the shooting.

But some city officials say it’s impossible to stop violence, particularly crimes as random as Fimognari’s murder.

“Unless there’s a police officer stationed on every square foot of the city, nothing can done to stop all murders,” said Councilman DeMaine Kitchen, D-2nd. “If a person would kill an 80-year-old, who wouldn’t he kill? He stole what little was in her purse, and he killed an innocent woman.”

The murder was so random, Mayor Jay Williams said.

“Can you absolutely stop it with increased patrols and citizen involvement? The answer is probably no. This happens in our country. Unfortunately, it happens too many times in Youngstown, Ohio,” he added.

Making the killing even more disturbing is there wasn’t a sign of a struggle, Hughes said.

“It isn’t a case where an elderly woman wouldn’t give up her purse,” he said. “This isn’t an example of someone who refused to comply” with a criminal’s demands.

The city is offering a reward of up to $10,000 for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the assailant. The money will come from public and private donations, Williams said.

Call police at (330) 747-7911 through the Crime Stoppers of Greater Youngstown program at (330) 746-CLUE or e-mail at info@youngstowncrimestoppers.com

Some people are unfortunately motivated by money, said Williams and Councilwoman Janet Tarpley, D-6th, who lives 10 blocks from the murder scene. Tarpley’s ward includes the church.

Capt. Rod Foley, the police department’s chief of detectives, said the public has been forthcoming with tidbits of information identifying the person responsible for the shooting, but police still have a considerable amount of work to do.

“We are just trying to track down all the information we have over there and develop more leads,” Foley said.

Foley said police are not releasing any information about the investigation and would not say what was recorded on video cameras located outside the church at the time of the shooting.

Hughes said there were four squad cars on the South Side at the time of the shooting, and 16 officers working the streets in the city. He said the four officers are routine for a Saturday morning on the South Side, but police presence will be increased there.

Hughes said he wants the public to rest assured that police are working to catch the person responsible for Fimognari’s death. He has no doubt the department will soon be making an arrest.

“There is no doubt that someone knows who this is, and we will get that information,” he said. “Whoever did this, I can’t believe they could get away without someone knowing who did it.”

Jay Macejko, city prosecutor, wants to make it clear that harboring the person responsible for the crime or withholding information from police would not be a good idea. He said anyone helping the person in any way will be charged with obstruction of justice and could face a prison sentence of one to five years if convicted.

Hughes said the area surrounding the church has not been a hotbed of criminal activity.

“Generally speaking, around St. Dom’s Church, we have not had any reports of anything alarming. I believe this was absolutely a random event,” said Hughes.

But, like other city neighborhoods, that area has been deteriorating over the years, Williams said. “It’s seen crime and blight.”

City officials mentioned one way to combat crime was to get more involved in neighborhood block watches.

But Maggy Lorenzi, who lives near the church, said the Southern Block Watch, which used to meet at St. Dom’s, disbanded about two years ago when she stepped down as its president.

Lorenzi has a long history at the church not only as a longtime parishioner — her three sons were baptized there and she was married twice there — but also as a student at the church’s school, which closed about 15 years ago. Her sons also attended the school.

“The neighborhood started to decline after the school closed,” she said.

Lorenzi said the murder was shocking.

“It’s an 80-year-old woman coming out of the house of God,” she said. “Can you imagine that woman’s last moment with that gun? This murder and the condition of the South Side is heartbreaking.”

This is the city’s fourth homicide this year, compared to one at this time in 2009.

Council members were mixed on whether this murder reinforces Youngstown’s image as a city with a high crime rate.

“It gives us a bad shot in the arm,” said Councilwoman Annie Gillam, D-1st. “We’re going to have to do better.”

Tarpley said, “Any act of violence feeds into the stereotype. It will reflect on the neighborhood poorly if we don’t get the information needed to arrest this person. But I don’t know if you can do anything to make sure this doesn’t happen again.”

Councilman Paul Drennen, D-5th, said the murder is “shocking” and “appalling.” But it’s not a negative reflection on the city, he said.

Hughes said the department is still looking to the coming ShotSpotter system, a system that identifies the location of gunfire in the city, to help put an end to these types of crimes.

He said the shooting may not have been prevented by using the system, but officers could have responded in seconds — possibly fast enough to catch the shooter running away.

Fimognari had been dead up to an hour before being found, police said.

Fimognari, an East High School graduate, worked 47 years at the McDonald Steel Credit Union, first as a clerk and then as the manager. She donated her time and her money to the St. Vincent DePaul Society.

Her funeral Mass will be at 10 a.m. Wednesday at St. Charles Church, 7325 Westview Drive, Boardman.

There are no calling hours. Arrangements are being handled by Thompson Funeral Home.

jgoodwin@vindy.com

skolnick@vindy.com


Comments

1UnionForever(1470 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Mayor Jay's 2010 plan for Youngstown sure is coming together - NOT!!!

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2SoYoRob(6 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

The war on drugs is a bunch of B.S. ! Any such beast should be brought into a public square and shot! Not lynched, because I'm not a racist and not eloctrocuted or injected because I'm not a sadist or old school. I'm just a real American who grew up in Youngstown with this type of garbage in my neighborhood. I moved away into the wider world and realized that this type of vermin doesn't have to be accepted, it can and should be put down.

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3Attis(922 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

This horrific murder was bad enough, but for so-called community "leaders" to proclaim that nothing can really be done to stop murders like this is absolutely outrageous. Either there is not will or no vision in City Hall to stop the epidemic of homicide infesting Youngstown. Either way these officials should hang their head in shame. The mayor seems more willing to wine and dine with war criminals abroad that fight street criminals in Youngstown. The neighborhood around St. Dom's is a total wasteland and nothing has been done for decades to revitalize it. And what, dear Councilwoman did you mean, when you said on TV that "it could have been one of us"?!

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4HaydenThomas(208 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

When you elect incompetent leaders you get incompetent government. For instance:

Tarpley said, “Any act of violence feeds into the stereotype."

Sorry Mrs. Tarpley but Youngstown as the murder capital isn't a stereotype, it is fact based on......murders.

and this gem.

Councilman Paul Drennen, D-5th, said the murder is “shocking” and “appalling.” But it’s not a negative reflection on the city, he said.

What would he consider a negative reflection on the city?

Most of these people can't walk and chew gum and yet we rely on them for our safety in crime town USA.

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5Lifes2Short(3878 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

I'm really disappointed in the leaders of this city after the press conference yesterday. Instead of being sick and tired of crime, they side step it. They really need to do something to protect the hard working people of Youngstown, instead of these remarks:

“Unless there’s a police officer stationed on every square foot of the city, nothing can done to stop all murders,”
“Can you absolutely stop it with increased patrols and citizen involvement? The answer is probably no.
Unfortunately, it happens too many times in Youngstown, Ohio,” he added.
“This isn’t an example of someone who refused to comply” with a criminal’s demands.
“Generally speaking, around St. Dom’s Church, we have not had any reports of anything alarming. I believe this was absolutely a random event,” said Hughes.
But, like other city neighborhoods, that area has been deteriorating over the years, Williams said. “It’s seen crime and blight.”
“It gives us a bad shot in the arm,” said Councilwoman Annie Gillam, D-1st. “We’re going to have to do better.”
Councilman Paul Drennen, D-5th, said the murder is “shocking” and “appalling.” But it’s not a negative reflection on the city, he said.

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6Silence_Dogood(1388 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

"Councilman Paul Drennen, D-5th, said the murder is “shocking” and “appalling.” But it’s not a negative reflection on the city, he said."

Not a negative reflection, oh really, then what would you call it. When you have twice as many people killed in a City of 80,000 then you do in an entire State of 1 million three hundred thousand, what then do you call it?
What Councilman, what the he!! do you call it. This is a shining example why there is no hope for Youngstown, when you can't even get an honest answer or comment from the Political leaders about the out of control crime in this town.
And then you have this comment from another Rocket Scientist "Hughes said the area surrounding the church has not been a hotbed of criminal activity."
, Well Chief protector Hughes tell us how many cars have been stolen from Church goers over the last ten years. How many members have come out of Church only to find that the car they came to Church in is now being used for a drug run to the east side or a driveby on the southside.Don't worry faithful followers you will get your car back, if not well I hope you had good insurance.
Apathy and low expectations is what is driving people from this town. When you have your leaders standing in front of a microphone and they tell you to your face that there really is no way of stoping this kind of madness, then the only sane recourse is to move away , as far away as you can go. For after all it is your life that could be at stake living in a town where they tell you that the murder rate is not a bad reflection on the area. If you live in Youngstown you are more then 300 times more likely to be killed then if you live in New Hampshire, but hey thats not a " NEGATIVE REFLECTION".

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7dd933(252 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

The denial shown by the elected officials of my city is astonishing.
Drive around and you see that we also allow people to throw garbage all over the streets. We don't enforce property maintenance standards. When these things aren't attended to the entire social fabric is shredded to the point where people are killed in church parking lots.
The district surrounding St. Dom's is known as "the dales" (Auburndale, Avondale) has some of the highest crime (burglaries, armed robberies) rates in Ohio.
Maybe we should think before we vote for the "prettiest" candidates in the future. When they say "nothing can be done to stop all the murders," then they should not be re-elected, we need people in office who will do what is necessary to stop the bleeding.

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8city_resident(513 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Apparently, these officials are not saying what you want them to say. Well, what do you want them to say? What do you think they should be doing? (Besides making drugs legal. That's outside the scope of what these officials can do) If you know the answers to these questions, why aren't you running for mayor or city council?

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9walter_sobchak(1982 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

If the Councilman doesn't believe this isn't a negative reflection on Y-town, I would hate to see what he thought one was! This official should be removed from office immediately because he is part of the problem. Zero tolerance is what is needed for all crime, big and small. When my mother lived in my family's South Side home 20 years ago, she would complain to police about little things like parking on the front yards. The police pooh-poohed her as some sort of kook. But you would never get away withit in my city of Canfield! Take care of the little things so the people can have some hope.

An RRUT on landlords would be a good start, especially on the Section 8 units. I got rid of my rentals years ago in Youngstown as I could see it coming. They also have to start doing saturation patrols again. The people need to take back their streets themselves.

This in the US, not Vietnam. There are rules. Doesn't anybody follow the f***ing rules?

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10VINDYAK(1799 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

I can see it now...city blocks with residents parked at the end of the street with 50 caliber machine guns surrounded by sand bags.

Come to think of it...what's wrong with that?

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11ads(109 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Rules don't apply to barbarians, plus don't you know we owe them something so it's perfectly ok to act like uncivilized people, move in, ruin the neighborhood then complain they have no rights!

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12VINDYAK(1799 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Maybe the time has come to return to the walking patrols with block police paid for by the taxes paid by the residents, rather than depend on city hall to protect us.

Does this mean we should return to individual little communities and abandon the city concept, which is proving it cannot protect us? Why should we contribute our hard earned tax dollars to a corrupt group of politicians sitting behind desks and telling us how hard they are working for us?

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13howardinyoungstown(591 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

While I agree something needs to be done about the violent crimes in Youngstown; sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture. There has been a dramatic increase in violent crimes across the nation in cities big and small since the beginning of this depression; and the longer it lasts the more violent crime is increasing.

Here is an article from the LA Times that is getting virtually the same kind of comments from readers as we are making here in Youngstown.
http://projects.latimes.com/homicide/...

My point is that if the problem is happening everywhere and its corresponds to the economy than the solution is jobs!
Perhaps we should all contact our elected representatives and encourage them to submit a grant request from the jobs bill to employ as many citizens at $10 an hour part time with no benefits to be put to work cleaning up the city, planting community gardens, doing minor repair work on public buildings (ie. new gutters on Stambaugh Golf course).

Even if the drug dealers and users don't participate in the program, seeing hundreds of people on the street cleaning up the neighborhoods is going to greatly reduce the opportunity to commit crimes without being witnessed.

The justification for paying $10 is the encourage participation, part time is to make it easy for them to participate at their convenience and to prevent those that are on public assistance from losing their long term assistance, and no benefits is because this will a temporary program.

Lets be real people this is just Youngstown we don't have the power to fix the economy or make drugs legal on a national level (which is what it would take to get the benefits of reduced usage and reduced crime). We need to focus on the community level to address the problem and the whole reason we are having this increase in violent crime is due to a lack of money in the area.

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14Lifes2Short(3878 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

city_resident
"Apparently, these officials are not saying what you want them to say. Well, what do you want them to say?"

That there going to do whatever is possible to fight this war on crime. That they would go to any means to protect the citizens of Youngstown and not let these low life animals take over the streets. If they have to bring in outside help to do it, then they will do it. To do whatever is necessary to stop the violence. What political people are suppose to do.

Mayor Frank Jackson Offers Aggressive' Plan to Fight Crime - Cleveland
Now, Jackson said, police will get in the faces of criminals in the neighborhoods. The targets are street gangs, corner dealers and anyone illegally carrying a gun.
"It's going to be very aggressive," he said. "They're going to be shaking up the trees and beating the bushes." …
Removing guns from the city will be a top priority, Jackson said.
The city also will team with federal agents to target gun trafficking and "straw purchasers," people who buy guns then sell them on the street, often to criminals prohibited from carrying firearms. Also, more guns used in crimes will be traced to figure out the sources, Jackson said.

Mayor Thomas M. Menino - Boston
''We're looking at all our programs to see what maximum benefit we can get out of them," the mayor said in an interview. ''I can't have another incident like we had at the [John] Winthrop School this week."

Menino said he has summoned Police Commissioner Kathleen M. O'Toole and the city's human services chief, Larry Mayes, among other administration officials, to a meeting today where he expects answers on how to stop the surge of violence that has pushed the city's homicide count to 66 by last night, equaling a 10-year high. Menino said everyone's effort will be scrutinized and overhauled if necessary.

And what do our leaders say? Read the article!

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15cambridge(3107 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

To say that crimes like this can't be stopped is ridiculous. If you stop giving criminals 20 or 30 second chances and have them serve the time for each and every crime they commit they would be locked up and not on the streets.

I guarantee that when this person is caught and his previous arrest record is known the fact that he avoided serving the time for his crimes will be the reason for this woman's murder.

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16Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Slapping a huge tax on rental units will not lessen the desire of these thugs to rob and kill . It will only punish the workers at low paying jobs who can't afford to buy houses . Why punish them for the crimes of others ?

Let's generate low tech jobs manufacturing goods for export to the world . We need to generate some real money that only manufacturing can accomplish .

These thugs need to be forced to work for their food, shelter and medical care . The taxpayers are getting weary of keeping the thugs and getting robbed and killed in return .

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17Ytownboy(142 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

You can put all the police in the world on the street; you can build all the prisons you want; you can execute all the criminals you want. These kinds of problems will continue.

Why does Youngstown have such a high crime rate? You have highly segregated communities, no jobs, and a proliferation of drugs. Until those problems are addressed, you will have the type of atmosphere where these kinds of crime will continue to occur.

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18Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

could_it_be comments :

You truly do have vision .With home owners being armed there is always the possibility of a street thug getting wasted . They must be given a fair chance to solicit funds to maintain a certain level of drugs in their system .

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19Ginger76(178 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Its heartbreaking.

This could have been anyone's relative.

I hope this monster is found and I pray his family is not protecting him.

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20walter_sobchak(1982 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

paulb, you see the situation pretty clearly. Y-town's problem stems from the fact there are a higher proportion of bad people on the the near south side and east side. How else do you explain the lack of killing and crime on the west side? Zero tolerance must be enforced. No second chances on violent crime arrests; prison time! You get caught using drugs, your choice should be jail or a treatment center. And start locking up the professional people for drug use. Doctors, lawyers, etc. The demand must be reduced because there will always be a supply.

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21Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

could_it_be comments :

The street thug will have you killed by the time you think about dialling 911. Getting the drop on street thugs when they enter your home is politically incorrect . Political correctness is for you to be disarmed and give them what they want even if they want to kill you . The dialing of 911 is only to be done after the robbers and or killers have left if you are able to do so .

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22Ytownboy(142 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Racial segregation was enforced by bank lenders, community leaders, and real estate agents for decades in Youngstown. When the Civil Rights movement ended those practices, many whites simply up and moved to the suburbs to avoid living with blacks.

A far as jobs go... Numerous studies, including one I will quote here, have found whites are continually given preferential treatment in hiring. This quote is from a 2003 study which I will also provide a link to.

"Devah Pager, a sociologist at Northwestern University in Evanston, Ill., sent equally matched pairs of testers - two black and two white - to apply for low-skilled jobs at 350 places of employment in the Milwaukee area and found that white ex-offenders were more likely to be called back for an interview than black applicants who had no criminal record."

Similar studies have been conducted numerous times with similar results.

http://www.jobbankusa.com/News/Hiring...

The drug war operates on a similar parallel. Congress in 1986 adopted a federal sentencing policy that those who commit crimes involving “crack” cocaine are to be punished on a 100-to-1 ratio compared to those whose crimes involve cocaine in powder form. The effect of that ruling put far more blacks in prison than whites, since crack cocaine is notoriously associated with lower income, inner city residents. Is that equal justice under the law?

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23VINDYAK(1799 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Blaming the NRA for gun violence is not the solution. The NRA defends the freedom to legally own a legal firearm. These hoods who use weapons cannot legally own a firearm, so they get them illegally on the street. Most of these firearms have been out on the street for many years and are circulated by way of theft and illegal activity. Some of the firearms come from teens stealing from parents, some from friends stealing from neighbors, some from breaking and enterings, some from straw purchases (which is illegal) and some even from police departments. Don't blame the NRA because we cannot control these stealing hoods.

The solution is strict enforcement and punishment, which we are unwilling to do because we are too liberal.

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24Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Ytownboy :

You are not very convincing . Our company hired blacks who came to work stoned or not at all . When they were terminated for this behavior whose fault was it ? When blacks were given loans for housing and the house was repoed for failure to pay whose fault was it ? When kids get out of high school and hang out on the streets without applying for jobs whose fault is it ? When whites go to work and their house is broken into constantly should they continue to live there ?

SO TELL ME ALL ABOUT EQUALITY .

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25Ytownboy(142 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

The solution is strict enforcement and punishment, which we are unwilling to do because we are too liberal.

Really? There are more people imprisoned in the United States than in any other country in the world. How liberal is that?

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26Silence_Dogood(1388 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

could_ it_ be

You stated,

"if we can't get the guns off the street because there are just too many, there are still some avenues of approach: for starters we can close the gun show loophole, then and better yet, we could outlaw the sale of handguns altogether,"

you then stated,

" to say guns don't kill people is to be in denial. sure there are lots of other ways to kill, but why make it so easy for these miscreants? half of them would not even be organized well enough to kill without the aid of handguns."

Talk about living in denial, my God are you naive! If you take away the guns from the law abiding people , what is to stop the law breakers from robbing you at GUNPOINT, a law maybe? Do you think that if you pass a law outlawing guns all of a sudden the lawbreakers will start to follow laws and hand in thier guns. Your simplistic narrow minded approach would kill society as we know it and would bring on Mad Max and the Thunder Dome era in America.Thank you but I will keep my gun.

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27Ytownboy(142 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Stan,

Please quote me some studies to back up your argument-your personal experiences are not enough.

Here is one for you

"The unemployment rate for black male college graduates 25 and older in 2009 has been nearly twice that of white male college graduates — 8.4 percent compared with 4.4 percent.

Various academic studies have confirmed that black job seekers have a harder time than whites. A study published several years ago in The American Economic Review titled “Are Emily and Greg More Employable than Lakisha and Jamal?” found that applicants with black-sounding names received 50 percent fewer callbacks than those with white-sounding names."

"A joint study out of the University of Miami and the University of California, Berkeley found that the race of a hiring manager affected who was hired racially-speaking, according to Science Daily. The study was done over 2 years at a large retail chain, and the findings were published in the Journal of Labor Economics.

[T]he study found that when a black manager in a typical store is replaced by a white, Asian or Hispanic manager, the share of newly hired blacks falls from 21 to 17 percent, and the share of whites hired rises from 60 to 64 percent. The effect is even stronger for stores located in the South, where the replacement of a black manager causes the share of newly hired blacks to fall from 29 to 21 percent."

http://www.career-line.com/job-search...

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28Silence_Dogood(1388 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Ask yourself this for those that read the paper on a regular basis. How many times have you read the term " TRIPLE PROBATION " when reading about some thug that has had yet another run in with the law. It is usually followed by "Judge Douglass was unaware of " or "Judge Durkin was unaware of "or "Judge so and so ".
Now I have no inside info on this case but I bet that when this peice of s@!t is found you will read once again "double" or "triple probation", and a no comment from one of our local Judges.

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29Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Ytownboy :

Life is what you make of it . If you are of no value to a company they will not give you a check for just being there . If you jump from ho to ho and have most of your check taken for child support who is to blame ?

You fail to back up your shifting of the blame .

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30Ytownboy(142 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

What value can you be to a company if they pass you over in the first place, even if you are qualified? That's something that numerous studies-including the ones I've mentioned here-back up.

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31Ytownboy(142 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Crack cocaine is essentially an inner-city drug. African Americans are over represented in inner city environments. In 2007, according to Senate majority leader Dick Durbin, 82 percent of people convicted on crack possession charges were black, and 9 percent were white.

Crack cocaine is the only drug for which the first offense of simple possession can trigger a federal mandatory minimum sentence. Possession of 5 grams of crack will trigger a 5 year mandatory minimum sentence. "Simple possession of any quantity of any other substance by a first-time offender-including powder cocaine-is a misdemeanor offense punishable by a maximum of one year in prison." (21 U.S.C. 844.)
Source: US Sentencing Commission, Special Report to Congress: Cocaine and Federal Sentencing Policy (Washington DC: US Sentencing Commission, February 1995), p. iii.

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32Ytownboy(142 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Here is some more info for you on crack

The US Sentencing Commission found in its 1997 report that "nearly 90 percent of the offenders convicted in federal court for crack cocaine distribution are African-American while the majority of crack cocaine users is white. Thus, sentences appear to be harsher and more severe for racial minorities than others as a result of this law. The current penalty structure results in a perception of unfairness and inconsistency."
Source: US Sentencing Commission, Special Report to the Congress: Cocaine and Federal Sentencing Policy (Washington, DC: US Sentencing Commission, April 1997), p. 8.

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33Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Ytownboy :
"What value can you be to a company if they pass you over in the first place."

First of all if you have a criminal record don't expect to be rewarded . If you are productive in a company they will not pass you over . Most companies look at their bottom line . What can you do for them and not what they can do for you .

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34Ytownboy(142 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

"First of all if you have a criminal record don't expect to be rewarded . If you are productive in a company they will not pass you over . Most companies look at their bottom line . What can you do for them and not what they can do for you ."

And what do you make of the fact that those studies I provided to you confirm that a white male with a criminal record has an equal-or better-chance of being hired than a black male with no criminal record?

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35Ytownboy(142 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

My friend will be the first black person to tell the other black folks the way it is. He regularly has unfavorable things to say about the black community and especially the lazy no good young black males. As he says, if being a sperm donor paid, they would all have jobs.

Sure.. my "black friend said it, not me!" You Vindy racists never get enough, do you?

The last time I checked it was WHITE politicans who have ran this community into the ground.

It was WHITE organized crime elements that gave this city a reputation as a home form criminals.

Yet, you Vindy folk love to pin it all on the blacks. You keep blacks out of local swimming pools for decades; you redline sections of the city for whites; you try and keeps black out of unions for decades, and when you admit them, give them the worst jobs.

You elect criminals like Jim Traficant and then blame local criminality all on blacks!

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36Lifes2Short(3878 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Ytownboy

Your little article is some reporter in Milwaukee. That doesn't prove anything. I have a felony and I use to have government jobs, but now, I can't get a job anywhere. I've been pounding the pavement trying. I got rejected for the Census Bureau because of my record, even though I aced the test. I finally received a job yesterday at a retail store. But I'm not complaining or blaming anyone else. I take responsibility for all my actions and try to be a better person every day instead of bickering or complaining about society. If you want to succeed you can. It's up to one person and all you have to do is look in the mirror. Quit blaming everyone else.

As far as your hiring issues, read these reports.
Table 1 - page 11
Table 2 - page 14
Table 3 - page 19
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37Ytownboy(142 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Racism is when you dislike someone due to their color. You can be black and still be a black racist.

Racism is about power. White society has power over blacks; blacks do not have the power to harm the greater structure of white society; hence, a black person can be prejudice, but not racist.

The last time I checked blacks did not enslave whites; blacks didn't forcibly segregate themselves from whites; blacks didn't attack and kill people fighting for civil rights in the south; blacks haven't paraded onto this site in order to demonize all whites.

Who has really pushed racism historically in this country?

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38Ytownboy(142 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Your little article is some reporter in Milwaukee. That doesn't prove anything. I have a felony and I use to have government jobs, but now, I can't get a job anywhere. I've been pounding the pavement trying.

Due to our current recession, you have an abnormal amount of people competing for jobs-whites included. So, obviously employers do not have to hire ex-felons when plenty of people with no criminal records are available. But you still have a better chance of finding a job then a black person with no criminal record, so don't feel too bad.

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39JustAThought(7 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Where is the outrage by our officials? This type of behavior cannot be allowed! We will never recapture what city of Youngstown was as long as people are afraid. Whatever it takes, this must be stopped! Spend all the money you want trying to make the city "better" but until we get a handle on this nothing will change. We are not idiots! We understand that you cannot prevent every crime but you sure can try! We can start by saying WE WILL AND WE CAN! I'm pretty sure Giuliani didn't set out to clean up NY by saying these murders don't reflect upon the city.

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40Lifes2Short(3878 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Ytownboy

If jobs your worried about for blacks, these website cater to black applicants only:

http://blackjobs.com/cgi-bin/blog.cgi...

http://www.blackplanet.com/jobs/

http://jobs.blacknews.com/

http://www.msoyonline.com/african-ame...

10 Tips For Black Job Seekers

http://www.blacknews.com/news/10_tips...

10) Be persistent. Success comes to those who don't give up. There are jobs out there. You will find one soon. Just don't quit.

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41ytownpunk(26 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

I would doubt this crime was gang-related. Gangs are more or less business enterprises and a crime like this brings too much unwanted attention and disrupts business.

My guess is if this person was related to a gang he or she will be dealt with and punished internally for causing difficulties.

In all likelihood, it was probably some low level nobody who just needed a fix and the robbery went very wrong.

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42Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

"YOUNGSTOWN — Police and city officials say they want the public to feel secure in the wake of the shooting death of an elderly woman on the South Side."

How secure are the people at the Covelli Centre feeling today ? Unless a sweep is done to show the thugs who is boss they will continue to rule the streets .

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43JustAThought(7 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

How about we stop saying the answer is to just give the church and the area to the criminals and do something! Are we that weak?

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44Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

JustAThought :

"How about we stop saying the answer is to just give the church and the area to the criminals and do something! Are we that weak?"

The criminals control the area . Forest City Auto Parts left the area because they could take no more . The city wouldn't clean it up then and I don't believe that they have the will to do so now .

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45JustAThought(7 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Then we need to get some people who DO HAVE THE WILL! Do we all really believe that Youngstown is so unique that other places have been able to fix their problems but we can't? Look at what Pittsburgh and Cleveland have done. Certainly they still have their share of problems, any grouping of people will, but where is our progress, where is the outrage? Who lives here and votes we just let everything just go to sh**?

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46JustAThought(7 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Foxtrot, do you have a point? A site that people are complaining on, what does that mean? There are plenty of people that can see that what we can become. We can fix these problems. People who are not up for helping then just get out of the way.

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47redvert(2100 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

I have said this before, until the black community says "enough is enough" and starts to turn in theses scumbags they will continue to be part of the problem. Same goes for the white community when it comes to white crime. Thought I would add that last statement to pacify those who might be offended.

The police can not solve these crimes when their efforts are undermined by the community. So until the community steps up, you get what you deserve..

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48Lifes2Short(3878 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

JustaThought

....but where is our progress, where is the outrage? Who lives here and votes we just let everything just go to sh**?"

My sentiments exactly. It has to start with our elected officials to do whatever means are necessary to take back the streets. If it means bringing in others. Can't just say what they said at the press conference, they need to show some emotion and be outraged that is happening during there time in office. Have to show some toughness instead of saying "Unfortunately, it happens too many times in Youngstown, Ohio,” he added."

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49candystriper(575 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

equip officers in the field with...
database for suspects and photographs
capable of providing on-the-spot-photo lineups
fingerprint scanner
electronic traffic ticket device

http://www.bakersfield.com/news/local...

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50city_resident(513 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Paulb said: "If this criminal element keeps edging into Boardman you are likely going to see civilian violence in response. I am certain Boardman will not let itself go the way Youngstown has."

You're kidding, right? Many of the people in Boardman are those who gave up on Youngstown. (or are descended from those who did) Why wouldn't they just flee again?

And, even if I'm wrong about Boardman's demographics, sprawl is the American Way these days. "If where you live starts to change, and you don't like it, just move down the road to someplace new!"

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51JustAThought(7 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Sorry foxtrot, didn't mean to offend you with my typo, "There are plenty of people that can see what we can become". I still pose the question to you, what is your point? As to your "education comment" I did not attend Youngstown City Schools, I attended one of the top schools in the area then went on to get my BS in Business in 3 years. Someone with your alleged education and attention to detail surely should not have forgotten that I asked a question. Do you live in this area? Why? I actually do own a business in this area and what we need is more people to care and less people like you who have thrown up their hands and said there is nothing we can do to improve our situation. We do not need quitters like you, we need people who have the guts to fight for something. This country was founded on tough people who worked hard and never gave up even when the going got tough, a lesson you apparently never learned. What are you doing to try to improve things, or do you just complain?

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52JustAThought(7 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

I have no problem with trying to find solutions to our problems. I have just grown tired of people saying there is nothing we can do. Nothing will ever improve if the prevailing thought is that we have lost. These thugs are not smarter or tougher than we are, we just need conviction from everybody! If we are committed to improving things there is no way it won't happen. Will it be easy? Of course not. But to all those who just want to sit around and tell everybody else there is nothing we can do, shut up! To all those who just want to sit around and say what a bad place we live in, shut up! To all those who have no faith in the determination of those who are really trying, shut up! We all have 3 choices, Lead, Follow or Get Out Of The Way! Demanding of our officials that they stop this is the first step. Finding out which ones are on board is the second, and replacing those that are not with capable people with a strong will and determination is the third step. There are far too many people on the right side of this issue for it not to improve if we all stick together. I am not here defending anyone, I am a republican, I believe in personal responsibility, and we are all responsible for making this pathetic attitude of apathy or even worse this constant need to beat down our area and each other disappear forever. I challenge everybody to make your voices heard, we will not let this stand! We will not give up! We will not give in!

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53borylie(832 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Justathought, I'm tired of jumping from article to article and posting what I've already posted on this story. WE'RE painted into a PC corner, we can't do anything but support these people. Go ahead call me a racist. It's not against the law yet, to be a racist. Who made me a racist? Black power being shoved down my throat is what pushed me from being tolerant to be p***** off. Why do we have to do something? Why don't the blacks change their ways? Have the young black girls quit pumping out babies like as if they're bubblegum machines. What deterrent is there for them to stop? How about this: 2 years from now all babies born to unmarried teenagers will no longer be supported by taxpayers. If you have a baby then you will live in a dorm with like others to be taken care of, you and the baby. You will be given food and medical care. You will be required to attend in house school, parenting classes and there will be no cell phones, tattoos, cigarettes and any other of life's non-nessities. Whenever you find a way to support you and your baby your free to go. If these girls can't do any of this then they can look their baby in the eye and tell them, sorry can't feed you today. Let them tell the baby that instead of the people like myself who are fed up. Onus on them, ball in their court.

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54Lifes2Short(3878 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

paulb
Actually that gentlemen made real sense. Good video thanks for posting that.

penguinbird
That is typical of what justathought posted. So it's ok a crack head murdered a elderly lady over chump change. Your not suprised? Well that just shows what kind of person you are, the "OH WELL, SH@3 HAPPENS, and it's fine and dandy with you. What if that was someone who you loved or loved? Why is everyone outraged? I can go on and on, but I'll keep it short, because the INNOCENT victims are the ones that suffer, you, me, and the elderly, the children, and everyone that works for a living and tries to make there life better and a future for the children. And like your attitude and our people in office, you just say OH WELL....Maybe you life has no meaning, but the people I care for and love mean a he@# of alot to me and I want them to be safe.

As far as your war on drugs and legalizing it and such, it has its pros and cons on both fronts, but you know that won't happen or maybe down the road it will. Do something productive if you feel that strong about it.

And on your hanging the guy without a trail, sure he'll have a trail, he'll get sentenced and he'll sit on death row for 15-20 years and people like you will feel bad for him and say he shouldn't get the death penalty and cry for him. Did the family of Angeline Fimognari have a chance to say goodbye to her family and friends?

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55justsayin(42 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

PenguinBird, you should give up on your rant against the war on drugs. While there are some good points to the possibility of legalizing drugs, the problem of paying for them remains. No taxpayer will support providing "free crack" so that the local junkie can get his fix in a controlled environment. Will the crackhead then be required to stay at the facility until he has come down enough to act civilized. Wait, then it will be time for his next fix. Maybe we can just deliver the drugs to the addicts or house them permanently in another taxpayer funded facility. Talk about welfare! Free food, free health care and now the PenguinBird free drug program. All funded by ????? If the scum that robbed and killed this poor lady was in need of drug money, a methadone clinic wouldn't have prevented it. Even the ultra-liberal European countries don't supply free crack, coke and smack to the local subculture.

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56Ytownboy(142 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

The drug war has been going since the early 1970s with very little progress. What exactly is the end game? We now have more people in prison than any other country in the world.

Some more interesting facts

Someone is arrested for violating a drug law every 17 seconds. Someone is arrested for violating a cannabis law every 38 seconds.

We spend about 600 dollars per second to fund the war on drugs. What have been the results?

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57Ytownboy(142 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

"Ytownboy, you're a felon; what do you expect? Would you hire someone, like you, a felon?"

I'm not a felon. My response was to "lifes2Short" who claims to be a felon.

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58Lifes2Short(3878 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Ytownboy
I'am a felon. I'm not proud of the fact and regret it everyday. But email me and I'll show you the proof. I have nothing to hide, I have nothing to make up, I did the crime (dui's) and I done my sentence (15 months). So what reason would I have to lie. I don't lie. The truth and only the truth. Life is 2 short to lie.

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59Lifes2Short(3878 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Ytownboy

"The drug war has been going since the early 1970s with very little progress. What exactly is the end game?"

Don't do the drugs! Period.

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60Silence_Dogood(1388 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

A Youtube posting from a Youngstown Thug for the whole world to see . This jackazz idiot is not afraid to sing about the violence and murder that he loves so much. He is not afraid to show the world the drugs that he so proudly shows the world This is the problem within Youngstown with a higher concentration within the BLACK community.It is not a mystery what is wrong with this town all you have to do is watch this video and you will see why you would be NUTS to live around these people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjzaDx...

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61Silence_Dogood(1388 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Another fine example of Youngstowns finest. A great testament to the Youngstown School System.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYx1cc...

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62Silence_Dogood(1388 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

The LADIES even get in on the action this video shows what your welfare money is going to. Just listen to the lyrics. This is YOUNGSTOWN there is no denying it, take a HARD LOOK at it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48qnNz...

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63Ytownboy(142 comments)posted 4 years, 11 months ago

Ytownboy
"I'am a felon. I'm not proud of the fact and regret it everyday. But email me and I'll show you the proof. I have nothing to hide, I have nothing to make up, I did the crime (dui's) and I done my sentence (15 months). So what reason would I have to lie. I don't lie. The truth and only the truth. Life is 2 short to lie."

I believe you and appreciate your honesty. You paid your debt to society.

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