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Lordstown union leaders upbeat despite slow sales

Published: Wed, January 6, 2010 @ 12:01 a.m.



LORDSTOWN — The Chevrolet Cruze is creating optimism that jobs can be created at the local car plant even though new sales numbers for the Chevrolet Cobalt made at the auto complex look bad.

U.S. sales of the Cobalt were down 32 percent last month, which ended a dismal year for the small car. General Motors sold 104,700 Cobalts last year, which was down 44 percent from 2008.

Union officials at the car complex are not discouraged by the news GM released Tuesday, however. They expect a third shift will be added after the Cruze is launched next summer, which could mean that GM will hire more local workers.

“I’m confident that once the Cruze is launched, you’re going to see an uptick in our production,” said Dave Green, president of United Auto Workers Local 1714 at the fabricating plant in the complex.

He said he has spoken with some small-car buyers who are holding off making a purchase because the Cruze is coming.

Local 1714 has only 31 workers laid off, so the creation of a third shift would require the hiring of hundreds of workers unless they are brought in from another GM plant, Green said. The local has 940 members working.

Jim Graham, president of UAW Local 1112 at the assembly plant, said he thinks the nation’s economy will be picking up just in time for the Cruze launch this summer, which will spur sales.

He said the assembly plant would need about 1,000 more workers for a third shift. Local 1112 has about 400 members laid off, and Graham said he hopes that most of the rest would be people hired from the area.

Local 1112 has 2,400 members who are working on two shifts.

The complex briefly had three shifts operating in 2008, but the number of employees who are laid off has been reduced through a buyout and early-retirement offer and normal attrition.

December wrapped up a slow month for the car industry as consumers decided to hold on to their current vehicles and financing was difficult for many.

GM said that its U.S. sales were down 9 percent last month and 33 percent for 2009.

It sold 8,672 Cobalts last month, down 32 percent from the 12,786 that were sold in December 2008.

Despite the decline from year-ago numbers, last month’s totals showed improvement from the previous three months. Sales in September through November didn’t reach above 7,400.




1downsized(5 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

Speculation about next years ecomony, optimism, confidence, not discouraged, thinking, hope, and all the other verbage being generated by the union leaders are nice words, to a bad situation. The sales numbers of the Cobalt and the other GM products tell the real story. The Cruze will initially be only built in a four door version, for the US and Canadian markets. Also, it has more plastic in it than the Cobalt, and less American made parts.
There is no way there will be a third shift added.

USA1 got it right, a Government/Union owned company will not survive. Review the car and driver magazines initial review of the Cruze vehicles being built in Korea and China. Just another car.

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2NPeters(1 comment)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

Running a union local does not qualify someone to make predictions about auto sales, especially when the potential customers you are talking to are on your bowling team.

With the exception of northeast Ohio, you'd be hard pressed to find a Cobalt, except on an Avis or Hertz rental lot. The same will be true with the Cruze.

The reason for lackluster GM sales is simple -- consumer anger. We just don't like the idea of tax money being used to bail out GM and give the UAW a big chunk of the company. The plain fact is that a lot of car buyers will never again set foot on a GM dealer lot.

Yesterday's auto sales figures confirm this trend. In a bad economy, sales at Ford and Toyota were up, while at GM and Chrysler sales were down again.

Mr. Green, good luck with the Cruze. I'm sure you'll sell a lot of them in Mahoning and Trumbull counties.

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3HaydenThomas(208 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

Yet another in a long line of mediocre (at best) cars produced in Lordstown. Tying the future of a company to this and the Volt is like tying an anchor to a swimmer. GM sales were down even with massive rebates and Pontiac and Saturn liquidation. Ford and Toyotas up over 20%.

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4boardmanneedschange(364 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

Of course this moron will stay upbeat , he wants to keep his position as a union president. UNIONS are responsible for the death of auto manufacturing in America, and are slowly killing the rest of business in America too. Labor costs are strangling the market for American made products. If another country can make the same product, pay to ship it here, and pay to market it here, while still keeping the cost under something made in our own backyard, shouldn't that raise a few red flags? I look down on people who call themselves American and belong to a union. It just shows me that they are lazy and probably couldn't hold a job that requires them to work hard for their pay. They are just as bad as the "life on welfare" hood rats that have babies for money.

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5boardmanneedschange(364 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago


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6rjohnbro(9 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

Lordstown is very mismanaged. Green has no time with the business ,the plant Will never go anywhere and all the bond holders and employees pushed out the door won't forget the union gave up nothing .

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7VINDYAK(1824 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

The Cobalt line has, once again continued the stigmatism of Lordstown built automobiles. In order for Lordstown to survive, GM needs to begin the process of building GOOD CARS, not cheap junk.

You cannot force the public to buy cheap junk cars, when there are so many other good cars to choose from.

If you want people to come, you have to give them something good to come to. Give them value. Give them quality. Plain and simple. Get rid of the junk!

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8howardinyoungstown(591 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

Interesting how some people claim that a government run car company can't compete yet when it come to health care those same people claim that its unfair competition for there to be a government run public option.

As for the bailout itself I will state again that the US automakers will always be bailed out in times of trouble since in times of war there production can be converted to war materials production. If the Department of Defense (War Department) feels it needs something it will always be saved no matter how ineptly its run.

Now if we could just find another Lee Iacocca to take of GM and Chrysler we would get our money paid back early.

As for the Cruze and all of the other silly cars coming out of Detroit they need to be building cars that run on BioDiesel, preferably plugin Hybrid BioDiesels. With that as a powertrain small cars should average 100-120mpg large cars, small trucks & SUV's would avg 50-80mpg and Large SUV's and trucks would avg 25-40mpg. This would reduce our need for foreign oil and improve our airquality while reducing CO2 output, a win, win, win situation.

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9VINDYAK(1824 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

It appears that the Cruze is just another "run-of-the-mill" automobile in its production and sales overseas, so don't get your hopes up Mr. Union President that it will be anything better here. GM management and Lordstown will not be able to overcome their hazy view from whatever it is they are smoking to think their latest line will be a savior. This is all just marketing double talk to instill product confidence from the public.

I'm getting tired of buying GM and getting hosed to the tune of thousands of dollars, just for the sake of thinking I am buying American. I'm getting tired of hassling with GM or Ford dealers who speak down to you and tell you what you should buy. I seach on the internet now and do not go to the dealer until I know what deal I have. What a waste of my money and time these past deals were and why I have suffered with these poor investments is beyond me anymore.

If more Americans took up this position, we would hep GM climb out of their haze and either begin making and selling cars the way we want, or they will disappear and make our lives more enjoyable.

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10rjohnbro(9 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

In 2001 A very high ranking General motors official told me that Lordstown was going to be rocked to sleep and General Motors was getting out of the car business. I seen clearly why, the third shift elected officials were given the Labor Conference room to sleep all night. The current Management was congratulated for harrassing and pushing supervisors out on the street for opposing the union when an employee was disiplined. IT is also clear to me why my retirement check now says installement.G.M. is setting the stage to dump retirement obligations on the tax payer.

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11candystriper(575 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

The bad news is Tata will be selling cheap cheap cars in the USA next year...get 2 or 3 for the price of 1 GM.

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12sky(38 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

You people are all morans... When all said and done the goverment or poeple in charge of it has little affect on your lives. Start supporting the community and the United States and you will start to see improvement.

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13boardmanneedschange(364 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

morans, huh? goverment?poeple?affect?

That post just made my day.

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14sky(38 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

thancks 4 the beeing my editoar

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15boardmanneedschange(364 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

No thank you for showing us why we need unions. To keep people like you working.

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16sky(38 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

and thank u for being such a tool.... now i dont feel so bad when i spend time with your wife

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17chuckscherl(25 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

I gave up on GM products back in the 60's. The stuff out of Lordstown were all POS's. I tried Ford in the early 70's .... only marginally better. Been a Toyota owner since 1974 and am working on only my third Toyota product .... a 2000 Lexus. (the other Toyotas are still running) Got 150000 miles and all that I do is change tires, oil and and filters when needed. I am certain that the Cobalts, Cruzes, etc. will follow the Lordstown Unions quality and exceed all expectations as a new POS's. BTW I left Youngstown in the late 60's and continue to marvel at the union mentality that totally ruined the area.

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18pit_bull_marley(291 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

GM could produce a better car if its labor costs were lower and they could put that money into the cars.

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19mrblue(1175 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

Get rid of Howie Long. How much is added to the price of a car to pay his salary? :If you don't make a car that is dependable, you won't sell it. The American car buyer is still upset that GM took a bail out. Look at Chryslers sales figures. If things don't turn around soon, Chrysler will be gone. The Big Three is all but gone.

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20janeyblue(227 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

Own a Colbalt,bought in April. Yes it is a POS. Nothing more than a paperweight. It never got warm the other night. 35 minutes and no heat. So uncomfortable to get in and out of. Poorly engineered too,your foot hits the door getting in,and the door opens so wide you have to step out to close it. And the kicker...the batteries are all defective! They like to go dead for no reason after a few hours. When that happens all systems shut down. You are screwed as your keys are stuck in the ignition. I was told to turn to page 22 in the owners manual and disassemble the steering colum myself...on a twomonth old car! What junk.
Mr union pres surely doesw not want to give up all the free trips. Vegas Niagra Falls NYC all comped do you really think he is at a conference? Yeah right and IF he has a cobalt you can bet its a freebie. One hand up his puppets butt the other is streched out grabbing. When hes not sleeping in his office.
Cruiz is a pathetic joke.
Get outta town while you can people

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21downsized(5 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

The ignition tumblers in the Cobalt are made from plastic. Fragments of it cause the ignition key to get stuck, and the ignition switch cannot be turned. This has been a major warranty issue due to the engineering design. In the old days, the ignition tumblers were made of a type of die cast metal. The batteries are not the problem, there is an electrical system problem, draining your battery. These cars have multiple computer modules, sensors, etc., all made overseas. Heaters not getting warm enough has also been a long time warranty issue. Once again, due to the design.

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22peacelover(839 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

Those Howie Long commercials frost me, too! Especially the one for the Traverse. Does he really think we common folk have $30,000 lying around in our dusty bank accounts to buy one of those things??? Granted, a comparable Honda or Toyota costs the same.... but which one do you think will still be on the road in ten years? Not the Chevy!

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23VINDYAK(1824 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

It is so sad to hear others share the same feelings that I have over the demise of GM products. We GM loyalists have given up and can no longer justify buying from GM. Over the years, I have supported GM despite their record, in the hope that they would soon turn things around. This turn around has not developed, they went into bankruptcy and are now owned by the government, who we all know cannot run anything effectively.

When people visit us and walk through our garage, they show more interest in the Toyota parked on the left, than the Chevrolet parked on the right. They are both 2008 models. This should tell everyone what has happened to our automotive industry...GM has lost the consumer and it is a result of years of neglect over consumer demands.

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24VINDYAK(1824 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

One of my biggest fears about GM is that the government will bail out and sell it to Toyota. This will be an insult to Toyota and could lead to Toyota's downfall as well.

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25peacelover(839 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

I am all for supporting American manufacturing, but not when they make an inferior product. I agree it IS sad what GM has become. In the last 15 years I have owned several GM and Chrysler products -- nothing but one thing after another going wrong. Chryslers were the worst -- I had to replace the transmissions three times between the two vans I owned. My youngest son joked that Chrysler should give you a spare transmission in the trunk instead of a spare tire.I finally got smart and bought a used Toyota, have had it for 3 years now and other than changing the oil and filters it has given me no problems whatsoever. Why can't GM build a quality product?

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26tookie(64 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

I've had a dozen GM cars in my lifetime and never had a bad car. My only lemon was Japanese. These Valley naysayers are so old news. They need to get a life.

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27boardmanneedschange(364 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

Hey tookie, I said nothing about the quality of the automobile, I simply stated the price is too high because of dumb crackers like you who support the unions

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28howardinyoungstown(591 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

In response to my earlier post
"Interesting how some people claim that a government run car company can't compete yet when it come to health care those same people claim that its unfair competition for there to be a government run public option.

As for the bailout itself I will state again that the US automakers will always be bailed out in times of trouble since in times of war there production can be converted to war materials production. If the Department of Defense (War Department) feels it needs something it will always be saved no matter how ineptly its run.

Now if we could just find another Lee Iacocca to take of GM and Chrysler we would get our money paid back early.

As for the Cruze and all of the other silly cars coming out of Detroit they need to be building cars that run on BioDiesel, preferably plugin Hybrid BioDiesels. With that as a powertrain small cars should average 100-120mpg large cars, small trucks & SUV's would avg 50-80mpg and Large SUV's and trucks would avg 25-40mpg. This would reduce our need for foreign oil and improve our airquality while reducing CO2 output, a win, win, win situation"

USA1 said
"Private insurance companies can't compete against national health insurance because it has unlimited money. From the taxpayers. Result, inferior health care and higer taxes.

Government Motors has to compete against Ford, Toyota, Nissan, Kia, Honda, Mecedes, etc. Again taxes will be raised for an inferior product and it's competitors will destroy Government Motors."

If multiple multi-billion dollar bailouts don't equal unlimited taxpayer money I'm not sure what would.

And as for those squeamish little insurance companies if someone started a new insurance company and undercut their prices by 20% or 30% they would simply adapt either by lowering their prices or increasing the quality of their customer service to compete; unless thy chose to rollover and just give up (not likely).

How do you think companies like Nordstrom & Saks Fifth Avenue compete with Walmart & JC Penney.

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29chuckscherl(25 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

Hey VINDYAK .... I doubt if Toyota would take GM/Chevie if it was given to them for free.
If Toyota did take over
1. It would not be a union shop ... Toyota would not allow it
2. They would scrap everything and start over and design the products to be reliable..

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30redvert(2240 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

USA1 and Hope, please verify where your (49%) claim comes from. Not doubting you but the only info I find states that in 1983, GM gave Toyota a unused plant in California for 18% of Toyota's stock. That agreement ended in 2009.

Looking at the Toyota stock summary I do not see any mention of GM being a major stock holder.

My info came from Wikipedia and I can not vouch for the validity of it.

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31ront(119 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

i will be happy to see the day lordstown closes. give you whiners something else to talk about.

many talk about us makers quality. what about toyota's 4 million recall for a defect that killed people? if one would bother to check, toyota has the highest number of recalls according to the nhtsa.

you want to talk about government subsidies, have any of you read the article about chinese pipe makers? don't you think that happens with other products? the tax dollars that go to transplants built here.

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32ront(119 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago


you should get your facts straight. in japan there are unions. run by the companies. and they don't allow too many forgein cars in the country.

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33chuckscherl(25 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

Ron ... no toyota unions in US as far as I know

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34AXLE69(181 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

uas1-pro-conservaterican lambasting the UAW, GM and it`s quality is funny seeing as how he worked on the assembly for 24 yrs assembling the very same vehicles he now proclaims are inferior.I guess this means he never did his job correctly.He also greatly benefited from his union negotiated wages and benefits including the buyout he took in 2006.When GM pays off it`s government loan,rest assured he will be whining about something else.Typical conservative hypocrisy.Also his comment about GM owning 49% of Toyota is bogus.

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35cambridge(4150 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

chuckcchert.....Nummi Motors in Fremont California is a joint venture between GM and Toyota since 1984. About 4,500 UAW workers.


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36cambridge(4150 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

USEless1....It's amazing how you have such a problem with with the government saving the American auto industry with investments that someday may be paid back.

You also have problems with your neighbor being a member of the same union you were a member of for more than twenty years.

All the while you cheer on Japanese auto companies that are subsidized by the Japanese government put outrageous tariffs on American auto imports and employ union auto workers in Japan.

It takes more than being a teabagger and having some BS patriotic "username" to be a real American. You don't qualify.

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37ront(119 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago


wrong again

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38ront(119 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

for all of you wanting gm to fail, and lordstown to close. i hope it happens. you deserve to get what you want. then the population will drop by half again, like when the steel mills closed.

and if you think a forgein auto company could buy the plant. what company would want to locate in an area where the locals won't support an american company?

oh, i forgot. they will take any and all tax incentives from the government. guess that's ok with some of you.

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39redvert(2240 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

cambridge, you might want to read your local newspaper, Nummi motors is history!!!


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40ront(119 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

did any of you read the article about chinese pipe makers? the chinese government subsidizes them so they sell their product here below cost. how's that sound to you?

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41cambridge(4150 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

redvert....I'm aware that Nummi is closing. chuckschert said that he wasn't aware of any Toyota/union relationship in the US. I just pointed one out. I believe Toyota will be moving that production to Canada and Mexico. Why wouldn't they abandon 25 years of a loyal workforce since there are so many "Americans" cheering them on to do so?

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42JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

Can we get back to the misspellings and allusions to adultery please?

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43downsized(5 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

In case some of you don't understand, most of the assembly line workers do their best assembling quality into the vehicles they assemble. It is the design and the process, and equipment the company provides that really determines the final quality of the product. If you provide a poor design, poor quality parts, and a difficult assembly process, timed very tight, how do you expect the line assembler to always do their job in station. Bottom line is that the company and union both are to blame for the situation GM is in. Hope for the best, expect the worse.

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44downsized(5 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

The reason GM is ending their relationship with NUMMI in California is due to the elimination of the Pontiac brand. The Vibe is/was built alongside a Toyota version of the same platform vehicle. Many GM management people spent months in that plant to learn the Toyota manufacturing processes in an effort to bring that learning back to their plant for implementation. Union practices/contracts basically prevented most of these processes from being implemented. Nice idea. Fact is that the products assembled at NUMMI are good vehicles. Ask anyone who owns a Chevy Prizm or Pontiac Vibe.

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45redvert(2240 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

cambridge, I think if you had been aware that the agreement had ended a few months back you would of tried to play it to your advantage up front (which of course you did after the fact). No problem !!!

Yes, Toyota may move it to Mexico or Canada. Why would they want to stay involved with Government Motors?

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46bobbob(5 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

boardmanneedschange-I think about people like you and laugh every time I clock in at GM. Go ahead, vent your frustration on this forum, if that makes you feel better. No one gives a rat's ass about you or your comments. Greed? Laziness? Corruption? Nepotism? etc. It's been the way of the world since the dawn of man. Funny how almost all the people at the top of the food chain, from Bank CEO's to Congress to the President possess those traits. But go ahead condemn middle class, working men for it...idiot.

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47ront(119 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago


i agree with you. i am surprised gm has keep lordstown open.

i read bertram de souza column the other day. i seldom agree with him; but on that one i do.

if for no other reason we should hope for, and do what we can to make gm profitable; we, the taxpayers own 60%. sure, many don't like that, but it's done. get over it. if so many want to thow their money away, i think it kind of stupid.

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48AXLE69(181 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

usa1-pro-conservaterican,why are you calling me a liar? I`m not the one that changed my username on here from Pro-American either to disguise yourself or you were rightly banned by the Vindy because you can`t handle being challenged on the garbage you post on here. In typical conservative fashion,you never actually answer any questions I posed to you but instead try to talk around them.That may work with some people but unfortunately for you,it won`t work with me. Like it was pointed out in another post,you were a member of the UAW for 24 years and all the benefits that people in the past fought and died for since 1937 you received but now all you can do to defend your ignorance is write that the union protected losers.There is no doubt that your definition of a loser would be anybody that doesn`t believe everything that you do which would encompass almost everyone.And what do illegal aliens have to do with anything? Typical teabagger.Always try to disguise your lack of coherency with a hot button issue.The UAW doesn`t support anything to do with illegal immigration.I wonder when you shop at Wal-Mart if you`re worried about all the illegals that they employ? What model of car do you drive usa1? So you paid 42% of your UAW negotiated buyout in taxes.So what? You didn`t have to leave,that was your choice and taxes are a part of life.Maybe you should return to GM and conduct a poll of the workers.Ask them if they would rather work for a union or non-union company.I guess time will tell whether GM survives or not,but Vindy posters can rest assured if they do,you won`t be on here admitting you were wrong.I think you owe all the UAW members of this Valley an apology for calling them socialists.Many fought for our nation in WWII,Korea,Vietnam and the Mid-East.Many have children serving in the armed forces right now.Many have had children killed in the line of duty.And the rest love their country.Maybe you should pay a visit to a union meeting and call them your derogatory names to their faces.I`m sure you would receive a warm welcome.

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49chuckscherl(25 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago


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50chuckscherl(25 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

1. GM, Ford and Chrysler cars have been and are historically inferior, I see plenty of 1980's japanese cars & trucks in San Diego .... no fords, gm or chrysler.

2. The unions have been complicit with FORD, GM & Chrysler in driving up costs and driving down quality.

3. Toyota "says" that the NUMMI plant is not feasible for them. I wonder why that is. You can bet that the union benefits are a big part of it.

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51VINDYAK(1824 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

When I was going to college, I spent some time working at a manufacturing plant making parts for Corvettes. I thought the job was boring, but it was an income. Two things stick out from that job that I have never forgotten. 1). The union rep. kept telling me to slow down as I was killing the job. 2). We had Japanese business visitors on several occasions who took a keen interest in how we were manufacturing products.
How the world has changed.

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52cambridge(4150 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

chuckscheri....You know what else is a big reason companies like Toyota make the moves they make? It because of "Americans" who raise their hand and say, "we don't deserve company paid health care and benefits, we make too much money." LOL, why wouldn't any company take you up on that?

boardmanneedschange....You are a prime example of who I'm talking about. In your earlier post you point out how our wages don't compete with companies that import junk. I can tell you why that is. I worked in the engineering department of a construction company with a woman that immigrated from China with her husband. Her husband is a software engineer in Silicon Valley. They have raised a family and done very well for themselves and are worth well into seven figures. She told me they were thinking of moving back to China. When I asked her why she said because of the six to one exchange rate. The minute your foot hits dry land in China your one million is worth six. Their wages also reflect that. So instead of volunteering the American work force to compete on their level just volunteer yourself. When you go into work on Monday tell your employer you have no interest in company health care or pension and your willing to work for 1/6 of your current salary. If you own a business cut your compensation down to 1/6 and send the rest to China because that's where it's going to end up anyway. But do the the rest of us that still have a pair a favor, just volunteer (surrender) yourself.

USEless1....Your real good at calling other people socialist while you cash that government check every month. I get nothing from the government and doubt that many of the people you are so quick to call socialist do either.Can you say the same? Seems to me your the one with their hand out and constantly crying about what other people have. Keep cashing those government checks hypocrite.

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53ront(119 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

for those of you who think socialism is a bad thing.

i hope you aren't planning on collecting all of your entitled social security benefits. while it's true that you pay into the fund, as well as your employer. only about a third of what you get from social security is what you pay into it. the rest comes from everyone else.

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54HaydenThomas(208 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

Ront is not correct. You pay into SS and the money you take out is your contribution plus interest. The guaranteed rate is around 2% and certainly you could get a better rate practically anywhere. You do not get more in benefits than you paid in. Also, you need to factor in that dollars contributed in 1970 are worth MORE than dollars extracted in 2010. Don't believe people like Ront who haven't a clue.

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55ront(119 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

my point is that we have all kinds of socialism. some pay taxes, some don't. the taxes benefit all.

we have clean water, roads, schools, the military, police, fire service, agencies that to some extent anyway help keep our food safe. all paid by taxes.

haydenthomas, you are wrong; social security monenies aren't invested. it's based on more money going into the fund than going out. the race to lower our wages to equal third world countries just accelerates the decline of revenue. at the same time, our population is aging. unemployment is higher.

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56ront(119 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

was reading the article about chinese pipe makers. given the volumn of comments about gm; i'm surprised there aren't more comments about that article. why is that?

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57ront(119 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago


i agree with you about social security. but you can't knock one form of socialism without knocking all socialism. in a democratic society such as ours we have all types of socialism.

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58casper77(136 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

Where do you think all the parts come from in USA cars China ,Japan and Mexico ,so don't blame the US workers on the bad parts. What about toyota recall? People are dying from the crap they shipped here but of course you foreign car People can't admit that their cars break down and have problems just like the American cars . Where 's the out-cry about this? You are all Blinded by all the hype about Foreign cars. I wouldn't be surpise if we find out that they brided Consumer Report . It's part of their culture to not fail and to do everything to look good and that includes paying off people.

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59cambridge(4150 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

ront....The reason you don't see many comments about Chinese pie makers is because so many "Americans" are in favor of them. Their non union for one thing. It's that Wal-Mart mentality.

When Obama took office he proposed that all infrastructure be done with American made steel and any other products. Fox New and the Republican congress went into a 24 hour a day rant over the American taxpayer buying the cheapest products. The vindy comments were overwhelmingly for backing the Fox/Republican view.

Right now the eastern span of the San Francisco/Oakland Bay Bridge is being replaced. Caltrans in their ultimate wisdom chose to use Chinese prefabricated steel rather than domestic because it was cheaper. Well it definitely turned out to be cheaper. The sections show up and after inspection weld after weld has to be ground out and re welded and fabrication pieces have to be reworked, rebuilt or modified to pass inspection.

The result so far is a one year delay in the replacing of a span the carries 270,000 cars a day. Instead of unemployed domestic steel workers coming off of unemployment that disposable income and the taxes they would pay go to China. Well at least the Chinese are non union. And the inconvenience and lost production of the people in those 270,000 cars every day, well at least the American taxpayer got the cheapest deal. Right?

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60ront(119 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago


i agree with what you say. it does anger me that toyota get's by selling products that kill people, but american cars are junk. last year toyota recalled 4 million vehicles. sold only about 1.5 million in usa. makes no sense to me. i value my family's and my own life more than that.

i would think, especially in the mahoning valley people would care about jobs lost due to unfair forgein competition. guess i was wrong. one reason why i'm happy not living there anymore.

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61VINDYAK(1824 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

Paulb, burning dollars would not get you the heat btu's needed to keep your home heated. Wood is the better commodity and if we continue at the rate we are going, wood could become our next primary method of exchange.

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62cambridge(4150 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

If I had to use resent history as a guide and my only two choices for president were from Kenya and Texas I'd have to go with Kenya.

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63AXLE69(181 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

Oh your computer was on the fritz,so you had to change your from Pro-American,usa1? Hmm,that`s interesting because shortly before you tried to disguise yourself a few of your posts were removed.Fortunately you write the same conservative hypocritical drivel over and over again so it didn`t take a rocket scientist to ID you.And what`s with you cashing a SOCIAL security check? That`s a socialistic program.If you were a real conservative teabagger you would be donating them to the murderer Scott Roeder for his defense.Not that he has a defense,after all he shot an unarmed man sitting in a church lobby in the forehead.I don`t have a Kenyan God usa1-Pro-Conservaterican but does your conservative God support cold blooded murder in the lobby of a church? I know that you do. I chuckle how you conservatives forward the emails about illegal immigrants all day long while you love shopping at Wal-Mart.Wally World has been busted employing illegals over and over again.haha.Priceless dude.You keep that computer running smooth now ya hear? I don`t want you to have to get ANOTHER username.Or maybe it`s just something in that Canfield air.lol

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64redvert(2240 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

AXLE, you were doing pretty good until you threw in the Wally World part. You have no idea who makes up the majority of the Wally World customer base, do you. Guess what, it ain't Republicans!!! That is all I can say!

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65AXLE69(181 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

usa1 pro-conservaterican,it`s ok buddy.You don`t need to keep explaining the reason for your username change.If the Vindy banned Pro-American or you were just trying to hide from your critics on here,you don`t have to be ashamed.It`s all good.Your buddy Roeder murdered an innocent man according to the laws of the United States.Just because you are an anti-abortionist that believes it`s acceptable to murder a doctor by shooting him in the forehead in his church doesn`t justify it.That`s why you ultra far right conservatives never achieve respectability not just on the blog of the Vindy but life in general.The fact you keep referring to our President Obama as a Kenyan God is proof of that.lol. And why do you keep calling me a socialist? Oh I forgot,the main rule of the far right is to label people in order to look like you are superior because you don`t deal in facts but fantasy and when confronted with facts,you cant handle it and change things like usernames and label people.You`re not unique usa1 pro-conservaterican.I`ve been dealing with your ilk for years.It `s a good hobby,especially in the long,cold winter months.Don`t forget to donate to your favorite charity for the victims in Haiti.

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66AXLE69(181 comments)posted 6 years, 6 months ago

redvert,you are correct.I guess I wasn`t clear.I didn`t mean to imply only Republicans shop at Wal-Mart.I was trying to point out that folks like usa1 are always complaining about illegal immigrants but he is also pro Wal-Mart and they have been busted numerous times employing illegals.Thanks for pointing this out.

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