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3 shot, one dead, on South Avenue

Published: Sat, February 20, 2010 @ 12:11 a.m.


YOUNGSTOWN — One victim died in a triple shooting Friday night near two South Avenue convenience stores.

One woman and two men were shot in a pickup truck heading south around 9 p.m. at South and Dewey avenues, police said.

One victim was wounded in the head and was initially in critical condition, according to police.

The other two were shot in the arm and the back, police said.

Blood could be seen on the road. All three victims were taken to St. Elizabeth Health Center, where police said one died just before 11 p.m., although they did not identify the person.

Police were still on the scene and at the hospital after 11 p.m. and were providing no additional information.

The killing is the eighth in the city this year. There were three homicides in the city by this date last year.


1Drepster(13 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

we've discussed this before haven't we?

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2rloh330(43 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

It's only going to get worse when there are NO jobs and very little hope.
Oh yes the suburbinites can make their snide comments but they have a job and money and must feel real proud looking down on us in Youngstown,well I've worked my whole life and have a degree but things are terrible out here,so go screw yourself if you think it's just drug dealers and welfare people in Youngstown!

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3UnionForever(1470 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Why don't they just put 100 foot high monkey cage around Youngstown's perimeter and let these gangsta hoodlums kill each other off till they are all dead? Iam sick of all the killings.

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4fan4ice(2 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

I know it's us suburbanites faults that 80% of the youth in the city do not have dads, that 60% of the parents of these kids never graduated form high school.
Its our fault that we spend twice as much educating Youngstown City kids than us suburbanites. From what a couple of my friends that are teachers in YOungstown say, parental involvement in the education process is almost nill. I am so sorry that I have left you down!!!!!!!!

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5woolyd(579 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Rloh you have a point but what some of these people fail to understand is they can be a victim too. It really doesnt matter where you live you can be targeted but hey let them live with a false sense of security.
Union if you are sick of the killings then why did you just promote an idea for more killing?

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6tcfitzpatrick(6 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Years ago, youngstown was a nice place to live yes. The people were personable and the area was actually nice. I think everyone is well aware of the date. Maybe you should go tell everyone in youngstown that. Youngstown is a very big disappointment. My family owned many houses there. The people there now mostly are on welfare and jobless. And yes, most people that live in youngstown are drug dealers like it or not. No one in youngstown has any pride for their community. Doubt me? drive down lucius or any other street and see how many people go out and shovel the snow on their walkway so the kids can walk on the sidewalks and not on the street. I've seen one. I used to be proud to be associated with youngstown, now the city is an embarrassment. Get over it people.

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7Attis(1134 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Of the 8 homicides so far in Youngstown, I believe only one has resulted in an arrest. The one in which the victim was an elderly white woman. That murder motivated quick action and community outrage. The others seem to motivate no action and loud cheers. There you have the root of the problem. Until the life of a young black man is considered at least as worthy as that of an elderly white woman, youngstown will remain a wasteland in which victims are blamed for their demise.

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8Tigerlily(509 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

What I would really like is for the Vindy.com to report only when they have the whole story to tell, instead of these partial Someone got shot, Someone Died stories. PLEASE, VIndy, so that people can actually know what happened instead of speculating. What the heck. Don't you know how journalism is supposed to work?

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9ch33ch0nFIRE(1 comment)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

You have made more sense than anyone else on this page. Your absolutely right.

I used to live right across from the Crim's Corner South Ave Gas Mart in the old funeral home up until about October 2009. Later I discovered my landlord was cooking crack-cocaine the entire time I resided there. Thank goodness my girlfriend forced me to leave the South after my getting robbed at gun point scared her to death. That place, that gas mart, that corner, is a breeding ground for violence. Every drug dealer and black market operator from every part of the city congregates there to conduct "business". I witnessed a shooting there in July or August where a man got out of a red Cadillac and started shooting up another guy with a shotgun. Thankfully no one was killed during that episode, but the only person involved who got caught was the driver...He's so f**king stupid that he drove the assailant to the gas mart while, he himself, lived right down the street on Dewey. A friend of mine and myself walked down the street 4 or 5 days later and witnessed the Task Force surrounding his home. So close, and so stupid.

That story is just an example of the problem here in Youngstown. That problem is stupidity. We have young men committing crimes here in ways that are so stupid and reckless they would never be fathomed by any decently smart people. And that's why there's so much violent sh*t happening. Stupidity. Children gotta stay in school, and like some other people on here said, the only way that's going to happen is if the parents get involved. You can't be a junkie AND a good parent. It's one or the other.

And to the majority of the other people commenting on this page...Not EVERYONE in the city is a thug and a drug dealer...There ARE a lot of them. But I know many good people who live in Youngstown...Trust me, the locals are just as nervous about being out on their own streets as visitors are. That's why they don't feel safe without a weapon. And, unfortunately, that's why it's a never ending cycle of violence over-lapping violence.

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10Rokscout(310 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Of course there are decent people in Youngstown. If that weren't the case, the city would have already been razed. They are few, but do exist.

As far as being angry at "suburbanites" for commenting on this DAILY savagry that we are exposed to, need we remind you that it's not the "suburbanites" that are slaughtering each other wholesale. Perhaps the "value of life" lesson should be broadcast throughout the Southside, or should it be the whole city? Besides, some of us lived in Youngstown, but had to leave due to whole area crumbling around us.

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11Silence_Dogood(1675 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

You stated
" Until the life of a young black man is considered at least as worthy as that of an elderly white woman, youngstown will remain a wasteland in which victims are blamed for their demise. "

Your comment lends me to think that you think White racism is at play here due to apathy to the Black murder rate

Let me make a suggestion

Tell the BLACK Men (boys) to stop doing ALL the killing in this Town

Tell the Black Chief of Police to stop all the killings by Black Men (boys) in this town.

Tell the Black Mayor to do something about the Black Men (boys) that are running around this town killing Black Men (boys).

Tell the Black President of the United States of America to do something about the scourge caused by Black Men (boys) that are doing the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of the murders.

When you have a State like New Hampshire with a population of over 1 Million 500 Thousand, of which less then one and a half percent are Black. The unemployed population of the State several times greater then the population of Youngstown, and the murder total for the entire State less then HALF what the murder total for JUST the City of Youngstown (population less then 80 thousand) is , it becomes clear that the solution MUST COME FROM WITHIN THE BLACK COMMUNITY.

So start telling them, maybe they will listen.

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12Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

The law of the hood exercises it's control . The law of mainstream society records the events .

Nothing changes when nothing changes . The Southside is a breeding ground for crime unmatched by any other part of the city .



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13SemperTyrannis(49 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Has anyone ever asked why the hood exists in the first place? Why are most of the people in it black?

Blacks who came to Youngstown found themselves in similar positions to those in the south: Unions (I'm looking at you, Union Forever) either denied blacks or kept them in the worst positions. USWA locals actually put pressure on companies NOT to hire blacks. By the time blacks could move up in the union structures-after civil rights-the mills began to close. Since blacks have been over-represented in manufacturing, the closing of the mills had a huge effect on black families.

In Youngstown itself blacks were herded into public housing and slums which were subsequently destroyed by urban renewal in the 60s. Blacks then found themselves moved into older neighborhoods where whites were rapidly exiting. Hence, the tax base of the city declined-leaving neighborhoods to decline.

The Expanding suburbs of Boardman, Poland, and Canfield practiced "red-lining" to keep blacks out of their neighborhoods. This also helped keep schools segregated. By 2000 the Youngstown/Warren area was one of the most segregated in the country-more segregated then most of the deep south.

Yet, now you have people who have conveniently forgotten all this say "why can't they just do what I have done."

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14DirtForce_1(40 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Attis--many of us do not care about the life of a drug dealing thug scumbag. I for sure do not. Live by the sword, die by the sword. That little old white lady was guilty of NOTHING but being in the wrong place at the wrong time and was killed by some black lazy POS....so no Attis, it will never bother me when a black drug dealing scum is killed.....keep it coming!!!

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15Lifes2Short(3882 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

"It's only going to get worse when there are NO jobs and very little hope."

There are jobs, you just have to have the desire and accept whatever jobs there are. It's up to the person what they want to do with there lives. It starts with the person and you can't keep making excuses.

"When have the people of Youngstown become so callous that they refer to people as animals. I'm sure these people were black, as I am a black man, however they are still people."

And so what your a black man? What does that have to do with anything. And yes they are animals, pure and simple, when you prey upon others, you are nothing but a animal that needs to be caged up. Humans no right from wrong, animals don't. So they are nothing but animals.

"Get your S*it together and work it out."

Work it out? It takes a community to work it out, and people don't want to snitch. Once they start snitching then the animals will be brought in.

"The others seem to motivate no action and loud cheers. There you have the root of the problem. Until the life of a young black man is considered at least as worthy as that of an elderly white woman, Youngstown will remain a wasteland in which victims are blamed for their demise."

They offered a huge reward for her. And you see how many snitched on the useless piece of filth. When the people start talking then maybe the violence will start ending. The majority of the violence, people know who did it or are involved but they don't want to snitch. Look what happens when a huge reward was offered, they start talking. You need the community to start taking action and get the useless life forms off the streets.

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16Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

I can see the point that SemperTyrannis is making . We should expedite
the relocation of those who are causing problems in Youngstown to Canfield . Government grant monies could be secured to purchase properties for them . Once out of the hood more opportunities will be available . Many foreclosure properties could be purchased from the banks and this would be a win-win situation .

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17Nunya22(315 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Things will never change when some people put black people in this category as a whole that they all dont want to work, a high school drop out, on welfare, dont take part of their kids schooling, and want to do/sell drugs. Yes we all know some black do those things just mentioned not all and if you post up percentages trying to argue about the ones who do what is the point for it? I don't ever see any positive percentages of the black folks who are in college, that are home owners/working on becoming a home owner, not on welfare, married etc... There is to much negative things on these boards mostly towards black people as a whole by some of the posters of the vindy site. Some of the percentages I have seen not all look like someone pulled that out of their behind just trying to be smart. And because I am writing this doesn't mean in anyway that I am racist or think that you are racist . If you think that what I said above pertain to you I was just stating what I observe from this site when I get on here. Reading these sterotypical statements almost everytime I read a story on the vindy is just as sickining as reading the story.

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18prodgodq(172 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Nunya22: Welcome to the world of anonymous internet message boards. It's funny what anonymity does to people.
When you can hide behind a keyboard, you can spew things that you would never be able to get away with in person. Those who point the finger and make blanket statements that they attempt to justify with mindless statistics will never lift a finger to correct what they're so eager to point out in others. Even those who advocate building a giant fence around the city would never actually help build the fence.
In short.....they're nothing. And they are a big part of the problem.

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19blnj2203(1 comment)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

just so everyone is aware...the three that were shot were not black!!!!! They were my brother-in-laws sister, her bf, and one of their friends.....just 3 ppl in the wrong place at the wrong time!..

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20shaun(1 comment)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

I can see alot of ignorance on the writing board. For one not all black people are lazy and are having babies, and poor. This is irrelevant to the crime situation in the Youngstown area. Violence around the area is due to people not having any moral valeus instilled in them. I am a single black mother and none of my children are thugs or drug dealers nor are they lazy. I can agree that alot of murders in Youngstown are related to young ignorant males who has nothing to do with their life. I hate when people say that white crimes are solved faster than black crimes. As of this year, people who have committed murder serious crimes before seems that they are let out. I agree the community needs to come together to help put away these criminals. Until people learn to instill moral values, the young will continue to do devious acts. So many comment on the wrong factors about blacks and crime they need to take a couple of courses in criminal justice to get the full understanding. People need to quit assuming things especially when it comes to crime. Murder is committed by all races not just one race.

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21mooneyhigh(7 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

sad sad story. Way too much of this going on in 2010

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22ricnsherri(41 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

OK folks. There is a city council meeting at 5:30 on the 3rd of March. We need to pack that place.

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23saysithowitiz(98 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

It's so nice to see the community come together to point fingers, lay blame and criticize the city and it's people. If we could get just one third of the people who post comments on this site to take some sort of action in the community, it would be a better place from the start. Maybe you could volunteer or start some sort of organization, it doesn't really matter. We are all part of the same community and are all tired of what is going on let's do something about it! For those out-of-towners that post on here, you are excluded.

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24real1010(1 comment)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

most of you with your ignorant comments havn't walked in the shoes of someone struggling or of someone who's had it hard obviously i am a single white younger mother and a welfare recipient and the daughter of a single mother on welfare and a drug addicted father i also have struggled with a drug addiction and none of you have seen or experienced the real people of youngstown i am a member of narcotics anonymous and proud to say that i have felt more love from x- junkies and crackheads and more support and these x drug addicts have saved my life i've never met people with more heart and hope and love than them i feel sorry for people with such hatred like you

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25MFC997(261 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Great ... right over by the high school. Sooner or later a student at Mooney will get popped and all hell is gonna break loose for jam master Jay. MARTIAL LAW or the NATIONAL GUARD ... period. The state needs to step in very soon and get control of the SOUTHSIDE or mark my words high school children are going to be murdered. These guys are getting more brazen by the day. This is sickening.

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26cambridge(4136 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Two crazy black guys jump white kids.


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27jay61984(2 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

u kno i been thinkin they should reform the justice system. ANY violent felony should carry a MANDATORY DEATH SENTENCE UPON CONVICTION. in addition, NO APPEALS ALLOWED. THAT WAY THEY CANT DRAG A DEATH SENTENCE INTO A 20 YR PRISON TERM ANYWAY. that would save taxpayers money on housing these bums and almost certainly make these d--kheads think twice before they go kill someone. just a thought. CRIMES WOULD INCLUDE THIS LIST: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_... also, the 3yr mandatory sentence for using a gun to commit a crime is a joke. posessing an unregistered gun should carry a mandatory sentence of 20 yrs. using it to commit a crime is a mandatory death sentence as stated above. i like my idea and so should u law abiding citizens of this former great city.

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28jay61984(2 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

by the way i only mean the obviously violent crimes on this list. u shouldnt be sentenced to death for sexual harrassment, property damage, harrassment, cruelty to animals, or battery unless it results in life threatening injuies, which would constitute attempted murder. THIS IS JUSTICE IF U ASK ME.

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29Lifes2Short(3882 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago


""Swierz says neighbors have to watch out for one other, and report crimes going on in their communities. Several block watches, businesses and schools have already come together to form the South Avenue Area Neighborhood Development Initiative.

"With the help of projects like SAANDI, and people that are willing to come forward and make a difference in their neighborhoods, I think we can change this thing around.", says Councilman Swierz.""

Once people start talking the violence will be less. That is the MAJOR problem. People need to be fed up and talk to the cops or whoever instead of not cooperating. Big difference. For every crime someone knows something but won't snitch and until they do the violence will keep going. They should be so tired of this and it seems like there not.

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30mrblue(1175 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

There have been 8 killings in Youngstown and it is only going to get worse. Why? The thugs do not fear the justice system. They get arrested, get a slap on the wrist, and back on the streets to commit more crimes How do you think the police feel after they arrest a scumbag and then find out that the scumbag is back on the street?

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31Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

We are past mid month and resources in the hood aren't keeping up with the demand for crack cocaine . The subculture will be forced to travel further as they seek the funds to buy the nectar that their lives revolve around . After the funds are secured they will return to the safety of the hood . Yep, crimetown will be crankin up !



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32woolyd(579 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Everybody is part of the problem and yet everybody can be part of the solution. If all these people would stop blogging and run for office change may occur.

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33woolyd(579 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

NEWSFLASH: For all you talking about trash on trash crime in this case the people shot were white from Atlantic Pa. Maybe he wasnt a thug maybe just a victim coming home from work.

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34woolyd(579 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

PS: Maybe everyone on here should hear the story before they automatically assume the perp and victim are young, black thugs.

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35borylie(951 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

MFC997,I posted on 2/28/2009 that the blacks with the election of Obama, that they would feel more empowered and start to be more brazen. Real1010, get real. Start making good decisions and quit feeling sorry for yourself and your ilk.

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36Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago


Published February 20, 2010 07:30 pm -

Atlantic man killed in Ohio shooting

YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio — A shooting on the city of Youngstown’s South Side Friday night claimed the life of a Crawford County man and injured two other people.

The shooting happened just after 9 p.m. at the intersection of South and Dewey avenues, according to Youngstown police. Police said one of the victims, Mark Trulson, of Atlantic, suffered a gun shot wound to the top of the head. He was transported to St. Elizabeth Health Center of Youngstown where he died just before 11 p.m.

Police said six .40-caliber shell casings were found at the scene.

Another victim, Charles Gehr, of Williamsfield, Ohio, was taken to St. Elizabeth Health Center Friday night in critical condition with a gun shot wound to the back. The third victim, Michelle Difrischia, also of Williamsfield, Ohio, was taken to St. Elizabeth Health Center in stable condition with a gun shot wound to the left arm, police said.

A hospital spokeswoman confirmed Saturday night that Gehr and Difrischia were trauma patients, but no information was being released about their conditions.

Police said no suspects had been arrested as of Saturday evening, and an investigation continues.

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37choc(4 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

joes- You stated "The Black man is the problem". "Who is being shot black people who is doing the shooting black people". Unfortunately this is true, blacks are being shot and doing the shooting. But, however the black man is not the problem. Drugs,lack of jobs, lack of recreational activities for the youth, lack of police involvement,is the problem and the list goes on and on. Society is the problem and ignorant people like yourself are contributors to the negative stereotypes that plague our society. What does section 8 and welfare have to do with anything. 9 out of 10 people receive some type of government assistance whether it's section 8, welfare, financial aid, housing loans etc. everyone struggles and needs help from time to time, I live on the south side of youngstown and no it's not safe, neither is the westside, eastside, or northside. YOUNGSTOWN period is UNSAFE. (Fact is, there are drugs in the suburban areas, as well as the inner city. Most of the "crack heads" come from their "rich gated communities" to the city to purchase their drugs. Drug dealers would not have "jobs" if they did not have customers to keep them in business.)

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38sbanks79(2 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

In 1977 my parents suggested that I leave the area because they saw the decline in employment coming from the collapse of the steel mills. That was the best thing that my parents ever did for me. After reading the comments about the murders on the Southside I realize just how hard the area is hit by poverty. How it affects the younger minorities who don't have enough positive role models in their lives. They don't see value in a good education when they see individuals with the fancy cars and money coming from illegal activities. They don't see the hard work that a lot of minorities are putting in, because they are not on the streets flashing their wealth. What they do see is a fine divide between Youngstown and the suburbs enforced by law enforcement at its borders. I see the racism that was there in the 70's is still there in 2010. My parents raised 4 children in Youngstown with the guidance that I have come to appreciate to this day. They taught us to treat people equally, they also taught us to do better than what they did. All of their children are successful because of their teachings. It was not easy for them raising 4 children from the 50's to the 70's but they did it. So you would suggest that they put bars and fences around Youngstown. I think that first you must teach YOUR children to remove the bars and fences from their on minds. Crime is not just a problem in Youngstown but a world wide problem. Who do you think is supplying the drugs to the inner cities of the world? I have thought many times of retiring back the Mahoning Valley because I still have family there. I also love the natural resources that the valley has, Mill Creek Park, all of the great lakes, as well as the smaller lakes that were built by the army corp. of engineers. But the resource that changes my mind every time is the racism that is still being taught in the suburbs in the Valley. I still come there frequently to visit friends and family, I hope that one day the area changes. But as long as the economic environment remains the same so will the crime in the Valley. Education is the start, teach our children to achieve something other than what they see on T.V. and in the streets. Teach the teachers to care again, teach them about great teachers who cared in the inner cities. Like Mr. Popovich, Mrs. Crowder, Mrs. Smith, Mrs. Bonow, Mr. Welsh, Mrs. Jones and Mrs. Hooks to name a few who taught from the 60’s to the 70’s. These were teachers who did not see a color or a pay check, but who saw potential that they were going to have a hand in molding. Mold a future of tolerance and understanding for your children or continue to mold the same disease that affects the Valley, racism. If you want to remain ignorant then I agree put up a fence, but instead of keeping the minorities in keep the racism in your own homes an away from the kids who do want to do something with their lives.

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39dateline111(41 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

What role does they YOUNGSTOWN black church play in all this violence? The Black church should be setting the standard for the black community! But many Youngstown Pastors are chasing women, chasing dollars, leading Masonic lodge meetings. Young black men have no respect for the efforts of simpleminded black female Pastors who attempt to do what God only called men to do (Pastor).When is the last time a group of Black Clergy held a news conference in City Hall addressing the VIOLENCE IN Y-TOWN? These money grubbing fornicating, adulterous,obese and drunken preachers are too embarrassed of their own GODLESS personal lives to open their dirty mouths in public!
Here is another reason why Youngstown Black clergyman will remain silent! Many of them live in Akron, Canton, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Boardman, Canfield, Austintown, and Liberty and don't give a rat's ass about the city of Youngstown. Yet these are the same charlatans that blast Youngstown city workers for not living in the city. Youngstown Black Clergy are nothing but a union of Hypocrites. One last thing about these godless Youngstown preachers they charge these grieving MURDER VICTIMS FAMILIES nearly 200.00 DOLLARS TO “PERFORM” THE EULOGIES. The BLACK Y-TOWN CLERGY is a shame to both God and Man.

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40northsideart(111 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago


You're just as guilty of the same racism that you accuse the suburbs (white people) of. For one, you think that the area's problems only affect minorities, yet the area is predominantly white. Secondly, because of a few bad apples in the white community who spread their views in this forum, you appear to believe that these people are representative of the majority of the white community. In this belief, you ignore the fact that the predominantly white Mahoning Valley overwhelmingly voted in favor of Obama. Of course, I'm guessing that you believe that white people provide the drugs for America's inner-cities. For one, a huge chunk of America's drugs are coming from Mexico and Latin America. Secondly, the people who create the drug problem are not the suppliers, but instead the purchasers who make the market. No one forces these people to buy and use those drugs. If they don't do the drugs, then the drug dealers will go away. One thing I noticed when I lived in Youngstown is that some of the biggest racists I've ever met were found among Youngstown's black population. I actually don't have a problem with their somewhat passive form of racism. These are people who simply want to live amongst people who they relate to best. What's wrong with that? But when it comes down to it, I'd bet on the safety of a black child who attends the Boardman schools much more confidently than I'd bet on the safety of a white child who attends the Youngstown city schools. The racism that a white child will confront in Youngstown is much more intense than what a black child would confront in the suburbs. Yes, education is good, but education is something that people can get if they want it. The students of Youngstown have been given many new schools and a chance to attend the Early College at YSU. Yet, despite these wonderful facilities that rival any in the country, the schools still perform at the bottom in local, state, and national rankings. Whose fault is that? The suburbs? I don't think so.

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41Silence_Dogood(1675 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

You stated
"Drugs,lack of jobs, lack of recreational activities for the youth, lack of police involvement,is the problem and the list goes on and on. Society is the problem "

This is a line of bull sh!t, and you know it. If as you stated "drugs " were . part of the problem how do you rectify your other statement " (Fact is, there are drugs in the suburban areas, as well as the inner city. Most of the "crack heads" come from their "rich gated communities" ", and the lack of killings in Canfield, Poland , Austintown, ect,ect,ect.
You can try and pass the blame to others or society for that matter, but in the end it is the young dumb azz THUG who has the gun. It is the young dumb azz thug that choses to pull the trigger.
This attitude that you display with your post is a major part of the problem, lack of accountability, as a crutch as to why idiots do what idiots do.
When that no good piece of dirt Mark Brown got his just reward from the state of Ohio and he went before the Almighty do you think God would say " dont worry Mark it was society's fault that you killed those two innocent store clerks." I dont think so.
Put blame were blame goes, the thug that did the crime.

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42Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Evolving subculture and sucess . Let's take a look at Tiger Woods . The richest man in sports has more money than anyone in Youngstown will ever see had rewarded himself for his sucess . Criticism caused his world to come tumbling down . Intolerance caused his downfall . He liked what he was doing .

The pleasure from drugs is well worth the pain to the subculture in The Valley . THEY LIKE WHAT THEY ARE DOING ! Just like the Tiger drug dealers get all the ho's that they want . The ho's that hang around the drug dealers get drugs , money and prestige . Anyone who tries to disrupt this way of life can easily become a victim .

A study should be done to see how much money drugs and the fallout from drugs pump into the economy of The Valley . This underground economy is subsidized by tax dollars and thefts from taxpayers .

BTW, the big drug dealers in The Valley are well known . When was the last big drug bust ? Why aren't we shutting them down ?

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43Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

could_it_be :

"but there is no political will to do this since so many people fear they will not be able to protect themselves without their own firearms. but any small improvement could save someone's life."

At least the victims wont be able to retaliate or prevent their demise . Who is to say that the lifestyle of the subculture has any less legitimacy than the general public . Right ?

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44dateline111(41 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

What you suburbanites fail to realize is that these are all gang related killings. These are well organized gangs who use mentally impaired juveniles and young adults to carry out these assassins, while the drug lords live in luxury. These well organized gangs have a fully loaded arsenal that equals the YPD if not superior; most of these gangs traffic in guns and weapons. What our Police department and the citizens of Youngstown are up against is no different than what is Armed forces face in Iraq. Only GOD can save Youngstown. Unfortunately God has been banned from the Churches, schools, courthouse, and the Police Departments.

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45Nunya22(315 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

@dateline111 I have a question for you what black churches are you referring to all of them or is there certain ones? Have you been to a few different black churches to make your comments? Do you know some/all black pastors personally?

@Silence_Dogood How did the young dumbass thug get the gun? The problem is some store owners selling stuff under the table to young people and people of age buying these guns and selling them on the street or people just robbing these stores is the problem. Also when you list these nice little suburbs maybe their murder rates are not like youngstown but they also have problems as well. Just remember everything that look nice doesn't mean that it really is. Alot of kids period in this generation is on some type of drugs and is selling them and drinking alcohol (not saying all but alot of kids are). The main problem is drugs being imported in the u.s. and people growing their own and guns and alcohol.

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46dateline111(41 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Nunya22 do some homework ask your black co-workers and friends about the condition of the Youngstown Black churches it is no secret most of these black pastors are disqualified yet they continue to pimp there ignorant black congregations. Start your research at the best known Black Churches in Youngstown. #1. New Bethel Baptist, Hillman Street, Southside where Kenny Simon is Pastor. Well known as a womanizing Adulterous with numerous female victims. #2 Tabernacle Baptist North side, three years without a Pastor finally they install a Man from Pittsburgh who is divorcing his wife for another woman. #3.Union Baptist Church, North side Pastor Harrison has been their Pastor for approximately 10 years and commutes from Akron 3x a week to earn about 80,000 a year. Why has this Pastor not relocated to Youngstown? Because Pastor Harrison doesn’t care about Youngstown he shops in Akron, Ohio. #4. Mt. Calvary International the Late Bishop Norman Wagner known worldwide as a celebrity preacher but locally was known as a preacher pimp who in 39 years did virtually nothing for Youngstown.#5 Third Baptist Church, Southside Dr. Morris Lee the Grand wizard of the Prince Hall Masonic Lodge, this aging Pastor can't talk five minutes without acknowledging a lodge member in his congregation.#6.Rising Star Baptist Church East Side, Young Pastor Kenny Donaldson this youngster missed his true calling which was to become a professional comedian (Kris Rock) this Pastor tells more jokes than bible verses. #7 Pastor Derrick Anderson Jerusalem Baptist Church was recently asked to resign after being caught having an adulterous relationship with the head of his deacon Boards wife. Pastor Anderson refused to step down and this adulterous preacher is still preaching every Sunday.#8 Pastor Paramore Southside I can’t pronounce the name of his church they were recently booted out of the Youngstown Playhouse after being pimped by the white man, the true overweigh lover, this preacher pimp drives a big body Mercedes Benz and has more girlfriends than Tiger Woods. . I could name about a dozen more of these godless black preachers who fill the Youngstown pulpits, WITH NO MESSAGE FOR THE LOST BLACK YOUTH (THUGS) WHO RULE THE VERY NEIGHBOORHOODS WHERE THEIR CHURCHES ARE LOCATED.

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47borylie(951 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

dateline, I don't know how factual your post is, but one heck of an answer. You should start the Mahoning Valley National Enquirer, I'd subscribe.

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48dateline111(41 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Just the facts borylie, just the facts, it's no secret about these religious phonies that have called themselves to the ministry where they preach Malachi 3:8 nearly every Sunday( WILL A MAN ROB GOD! yes these preachers are robbing God every Sunday, but they continue preaching Pay your tithes or your going to HELL!!!!!!! or my Caddy will be repossessed! I blame the Black church and these powerless preacher pimps for the condition of the inner city and the high crime rate.

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49saddad(655 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Alright Vindy-this has gone far enough. These people arnt just yelling fire in a crwded theater, they are blowing on embers. The ignorant crackers make me ashamed of my race. No person so immoderate and so wishing to incite should be given a forum. Let them find their own means to publish their idiocly. I do wish to end my participation here but these people are trouble.

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50saddad(655 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

You goofs can do as you please and say what you wish but decent intelligent people shouldnt be giving you a forum. Get your own right wing racist web site. Please Vindy-shut these meatheads down.

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51Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

"Blacks are 40-50% of the population of Youngstown. Therefore, black males should be 20-25% of the population in Youngstown. So why do they commit the majority of all homicides?"

They like doing what they do ? It gives them a sense of power ?

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52Silence_Dogood(1675 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

You stated
"@Silence_Dogood How did the young dumbass thug get the gun? The problem is some store owners selling stuff under the table to young people and people of age buying these guns and selling them on the street or people just robbing these stores is the problem. Also when you list these nice little suburbs maybe their murder rates are not like youngstown but they also have problems as well. Just remember everything that look nice doesn't mean that it really is. Alot of kids period in this generation is on some type of drugs and is selling them and drinking alcohol (not saying all but alot of kids are). The main problem is drugs being imported in the u.s. and people growing their own and guns and alcohol."

Did society FORCE these Thugs to get a gun and do drugs, no it was free will that led them to this point. It was free will that allowed them to chose this lifestyle. Guns for the most part within this group of people are gained thru illegal means either thru outright theft or from the "street corner" .
As for the other problems in the suburbs they do not compare to the taking of another persons LIFE. In short these people WANT things and are not willing to work for them, they would just as soon put a gun to another persons head and TAKE what they want. They feel entitled to something but dont feel they should have to work for it like the average Joe. The majority of a civilized society knows that to gain things they have to produce for society to gain its rewards. Then there is the culture on wallstreet and in the hood that tells them that they can steal with a gun or a clever pen , and get the well sought after reward for free. Society did not create an Enron nor did they create a murdering THUG. These were choices made by an individual. Ken Lay chose to steal from little old ladies by stealing thier stock values and leaving them penniless. Jamar Houser chose to steal from a little old lady and left her penniless and lifeless..

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53AtownParent(565 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Should have left the mob in control. At least then it would still be safe to be in the YO.

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54Silence_Dogood(1675 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

sad dad
You stated
"You goofs can do as you please and say what you wish but decent intelligent people shouldnt be giving you a forum. Get your own right wing racist web site. Please Vindy-shut these meatheads down."

The last refuge of a scoundrel is


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55Nikki74(3 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago


Just wanted to thank you for your comments. Those were my thoughts exactly.

(these were your comments:

"This story is so sad! I really can't believe some of the comments I read on here. People get a grip. Put a monkey cage around the city and it's mother nature taking course? Are you freaking serious! These are people lives we are talking about. When have the people of Youngstown become so callous that they refer to people as animals. I'm sure these people were black, as I am a black man, however they are still people. Instead of sitting behind your computer and ranting and raving about the crime taking place why don't any of you stand up and fight back? One of the things that made me leave Youngstown is the lack of passion in the people there in Y-town and start making changes for all your lives. It's 2010, not 1910, stop living in the past and start looking around you. Get your S*it together and work it out"

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56Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

"Instead of sitting behind your computer and ranting and raving about the crime taking place why don't any of you stand up and fight back? "

Would it be politically correct to shoot these thugs if I was attacked ? I believe that I am expected to allow myself to get robbed and or shot along with calling 911 if I am able to .

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57Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

USA1 :
"Call 911 in Youngstown? The police never come."

You do have a point there . Very tolerant city that is excellent for thugs to pursue their vocation . Who are we to judge their lifestyles ?

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58Conservatism_Will_Prospers(91 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

I don't know about all of you, but I see a great deal of confusion amongs this forum! Let me tell you how I deal with these situations, As a concerned citizen I keep my eyes open for any suspicious activity, and will report these activities along with license plate numbers, descriptions, and locations of suspicious activities. I care for my neighbors even though I doubt they would wave if I walked by. I Shovel snow for several of my neighbors regardless of race. I will give a stranger my last five dollars and not even wonder where that five dollars will go. I also legally carry a concealed weapon at all times and will not hesitate to risk my life to save someone else. The moral of the story, our society is hurting because no one wants to become a part of the solution. No one wants to help their neighbor because they are three minutes late for their hair appointment. Our society is afraid to ask "How are you today?" to a stranger! The people of our community is just as much at fault as the people committing the crimes. We all know what is going on, we all know who is dealing drugs, but out of fear or selfishness we will not stand up against these monstrosities! We will not take the time when we are walking in a side walk to pick up a piece of trash, and carry it five feet away to the nearest trash can. How do we fix an issue that we are not willing to become involved in? Oh I get it, we will wait until we are the victims before we begin to look for solutions. It's time for our entire community to make a stand against criminal activity!

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59saddad(655 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Quit worrying USA1 when the democratic process becomes dominated by black people you will still be the same little impotent person youve been under the white man's dominance

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60Alexinytown(246 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Looking at all of this, it almost wakes you wish the Mafia was still running things doesn't it? Instead of controlled violence, now you have complete anarchy without a hope of turning things around. Instead of gangsters killing each other, you now have young thugs robbing stores and killing 80 year old ladies leaving church for the $10 in her purse. My how far we have come in 20 years.

And complain as we all might on here, it would take a monumental effort on the part of a lot of people to improve what has become a disaster, and personally I don't think the motivation is quite to the point where such a move could be undertaken.

The word racism is being thrown around a lot on here. I just want to make the point that we should not confuse observations of the situation with racism. There is indeed a problem in the city of Youngstown, it is within the black community obviously, and the disdain shown by the so-called suburbanites is likely not derived from the fact that the city is black rather than the violence that seems to be brought with it. Because they may not want to be involved with the city does not necessarily make them racist rather than they want nothing to do with the violent culture that is pervasive within the city limits.

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61Nunya22(315 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

@USA1 The problem with that in my opinion with the police not coming. Alot of streets in youngstown dont have the street signs up anymore and I think maybe their system might need updated. Oh and some of them just dont care and take their good ole time coming or just ignoring the call out.

@Silence_Dogood Nope society didn't tell them to do it but some of society is helping the guns/drugs/alcohol be on the street illegally to underaged people everywhere. If a poll was done to all elementary,junior high, and high school students you will be surprised how easy it is for them to get ahold of these things. This is not only some little thugs getting ahold of these things. I have worked in the office in a elementary school before and was surprised how the little kids talked amongst themselves. I have also lived in the suburbs of youngstown before and went to some schools outside of youngstown as well.

@ dateline111 for that research to go through I would have to personally know those pastors to come up with that observation unless I was to catch them some how in the act. But I do agree with you to a certain extent it's no surprise anywhere that there is alot of fraud pastors/priests/prechers all over the world. All I can say is I am related to some good pastors and deacons/deaconess and I attended a church that actually did alot for the community. Also with you posting up names of those pastors if you dont have any proof of them you might want to delete your reply because if that gets back to them you could be sued for defamation of their character to a third etc party.

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62Nunya22(315 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

@Alexinytown The mafia is no better than what is going on in this generation. Also I heard rumors about the mafia is still running youngstown not sure if it is true or not it's just a rumor. And the word racist is being thrown on this site because alot of racist statements are being made throughout some of the vindy headlines it's not just being thrown out there for the heck of it because people dont like an opinion. There are actually alot of ignorant opinions being posted on a daily about race/nationalities/politics/age/ etc... on here.

Also yeah there is a problem with racism here in Youngstown as well as a few different areas in ohio. But as for Youngstown I have experienced alittle ignorant racial comment from a teacher when I was in the 5th grade. I dont think the teacher may have been racist just ignorant of how she communicates to people of a different background than hers. I will say I never experienced that in Austintown only bad thing I have to say is what I found out from someone while I was in college about a school stealing pta money for years.

But the problem is the people in the city and outside by the surrounding suburbs of Youngstown sterotyping each other and being racist/prejudice againgst others. This problem is in no way just the black community you can go to Boardman/Niles/Girard/Hubbard/Austintown/ etc and experience that with some people sometime in your life time. I can only speak on what I have personally expericed so far in my life I have experieced some predice activity two times in Boardman and I cant really remember how many times in Youngstown.

It really doesn't matter because it is a problem with all racial backgrounds throughout the areas in Ohio period. I'm sure some others may agree to seeing this.

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63walter_sobchak(2717 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Silence_dogood is correct as your argument is specious. Crime occurs in the black community but when the investigators show up, nobody saw anything! This is not a racist statement but a statement of fact! Ask the police, they kknow who the criminals are but they can't be brought to justice. That is, the justice established by our Constitution. The justice the criminal in Yo gets is usually street justice.

Self rule does not exist without self control. Your right to throw a punch at me stops at the tip of my nose. The thugs that commit these crimes have no self respect so they will never respect anyone else.

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64Conservatism_Will_Prospers(91 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Yes these people can be brought to justice! But when the neighborhood is afraid of the repercussions of these gangsters, it becomes tough! The solution is the community organizing to stand up against the root cause... DRUGS!!

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67walter_sobchak(2717 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Now, who can argue with that? I'm glad the young people are here to hear this. Not only is that authentic inner-city gibberish, it bespeaks a simple mindset that is seldom seen these days.

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68tcfitzpatrick(6 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

"For one not all black people are lazy and are having babies, and poor." This is absolutely correct, unfortunately for you, none for these people are living in youngstown.

This is how well youngstown is doing: the funds for youngstown are so low, they have closed the misdemeanor jail. By the end of this week they are laying off about 25- 50 deputies. So defend youngstown all you want because youngstown doesn't care about you. Just ask all the criminals they're about to let out

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69atek101(77 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

The ignorance that some of these comments convey appalls me. We are all to blame for the persistence of violent crimes in our community.

Violent crime in our inner-city neighborhoods exists in part because we, as a community, urban-dweller and suburbanite alike, have a high tolerance for its existence. When crimes like this happen, it's easy to place the blame on some group we're not familiar with, but it's not so easy to take ownership of the problem as a greater issue that we are all responsible for as a community.

So, if you are opposed to violent crime enough to post on this website, then are you opposed enough to attend public meetings, join social action groups, or volunteer your time in urban neighborhoods to help us prevent such crimes as a community?

If the answer is no, then perhaps you should reconsider your reasons for posting in the first place. But if the answer is yes, then get out from behind your computer desk and get involved in the solution!

There are many organizations in our Valley that are trying to promote social justice and curb violent crime that actively pursue solutions to make our neighborhoods safer. Some of these organizations are Youngstown-based, but all are open to volunteers from all the cities and towns in our Valley.

Two such groups include the Mahoning Valley Organizing Collaborative, which has helped develop many neighborhood organizations:

and the faith-based community organization known as ACTION: http://www.action-ohio.org/

Take a look at some of the things that these groups have been doing, and consider contacting them and getting involved. Either will likely provide you with information about specific efforts to which your skills would be helpful or point you toward other organizations or groups that would benefit from your participation.

As a community, when we all throw in the towel and put the ball solely in someone else's court, no one's left to pick up the ball. Many people from all over our Valley are coming together to volunteer and take action to make our neighborhoods better and safer and to promote changes in social policy that will improve our community.

Will you lend your hand and join them?

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70briant(57 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

I grew up on Auburndale in the 70's and 80's. We did not have much, but we loved our home and neighborhood. After 20 years of living in Florida my family and I still talk about the PRIDE of our hometown. There is nothing better than wearing a YSU or Mooney tee shirt and have someone from done here stop and talk about how great Youngstown once was.

Every day I think of that elderly lady that was shot at our church.

WHAT ON EARTH HAPPENED? It's not the African Americans, mafia, or druggies fault. In a sense I blame myself and thousands of others like me than ran away as it started to get rough. Maybe we should have stayed and battled it out. There are some great people still there, I just fear they are out numbered.

I bet the Mayor and Police Chief don't even live in the city limits, am I right?

Many of us in Florida talk about how it would be to initiate a "war" to take Youngstown back. It's frustrating to see and to visit. I wish, as all of you do, we had the answers......

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71atek101(77 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Briant, I know the mayor lives in the city. Can't speak for the chief. But you'll be glad to know that people are beginning to take an active role in taking back their neighborhoods from crime, blight, and neglect.

I don't know about you, USA1, but in my book, no murder is social justice.

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72Conservatism_Will_Prospers(91 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Atek101, I agree with you entirely. As members of our own communities we can both participate in stopping the violence and/or curbing the violence. We need to be a part of an active community to work with law enforcement against crime! We also need to take personal responsibility to stand up against crime. We the people of Youngstown are letting our neighbors down by allowing criminal activity to continue!

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73toomuchapathy(14 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

trash talkers on vindy.com = no social life

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74jeffhoef1(45 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

I lived at Midlothian and Market for 6 years, from 94 to 2000. It was a rough neighborhood, every night I would hear gunshots and automatic weapons. As I was out walking my dog, it seemed the police were always looking for some criminal hiding in the neighborhood. If I could have moved my beautiful 3-story 6 bedroom house out of the ghetto, I would have. I blame the animals. The same rotten bunch that caused the fights and riots that ruined Idora. Every large city has a disportionate amount of animals preying on us. No work ethic, no self respect, no guidance, no fathers, no GOD, no hope...

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75jason54692002(11 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Well apparently the shooter sucks at their profession and needs to take some shooting lessons... leaving 2 alive but as far as the race thing goes im not racist im white. If white racist dont want blacks in this country than they should have left them alone in africa instead of bringing them to America to be slaves so for all the racist whites blame yourself. In my opinion this is America and everyone has a right to be here. Hello "land of opportunity" life is what you make it. People in general need to stop bickering/blaming etc others for their own problems and differences.

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76jason54692002(11 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Well the shooters and shootees are people too and people should look at what made that person the way they are.Like some drug victms were raped as a child by people they trusted or some people were just raised like that. By all means though im not supporting their choices to do what they do. but look at it this way everyone contributes to society in some way good or bad.

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77redvert(2240 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

"By all means though im not supporting their choices to do what they do. but look at it this way everyone contributes to society in some way good or bad."

Boy that comment sure puts it all in a different light. Amazing perspective!!!

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78Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago


At the present growth of the subculture the abnormal will soon be the normal .

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79walter_sobchak(2717 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

I think it was Spock who said "In an insane society, the sane man must appear Insane". This must be why some would want to provide (read give) someone a $20K job, as if they would care to show up to work, let alone work period. I say, reinstate the military draft to get the scum off the street and have some drill instructor beat some self-respect and integrity into the babble. And, if it costs $25K per year to imprison someone WHO HAS BROKEN THE LAW, then we are spending way too much on imprisoning people. Joe Arpaio does it cheaper,.

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80Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Now yer talkin Walter !

" I say, reinstate the military draft to get the scum off the street and have some drill instructor beat some self-respect and integrity into the babble."

They would like the front lines in Afghanistan .

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81joydav(41 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Wow! How many times to we have to have this same conversation? Blacks in Youngstown, Kill them off, let them kill themselves, no parenting, no support about thier kids education. Womp, womp, womp. No one loves themselves enough to want to help thier fellow man. We should want all children to grow up strong and be able to make a living for themselves and thier family. I am a single Black mother of three adult children and I work and have worked for years. It was hard trying to make sure that my kids didn't fall into the norm of what has become Youngstown. I prayed every time they walked out the door to hang with friends, it was and still is scarey when I know that they are out and about. I pray for them and all, because this world today doesn't to much care about the skin color or anyone. Anything can happen at any time. You could have been at the wrong place at the wrong time, and no one could pull up anything on the internet to make you look bad. So, when you call people animals, and wish death on them, keep in mind that wrong place and the wrong time could be you.

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82jason54692002(11 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

I have that perspective because if we didnt have criminals we wouldnt have jobs for cops or prison guards or a judicial system. Think of all those "good" people that would not have a job without the rejects of society so in some way everyone contributes. and I dont care what people say but everybody has done something in their life that they werent proud of. Its just a matter of how severe it was and a matter if they got caught or not.

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83walter_sobchak(2717 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Who said anything about war? Read my post again! Since the scum on the street have not been raised to have respect for anything, including themselves, it must be beat into them. You see, the USA was founded on the principle of self-governance. But, you can't have self-governanace without self-control. My mother beat it into to me! I learned early on that all of my actions came with consequences.

Therefore, this scum needs to be dragged out of bed by a D.I. at 6 in the morning and forced to do things that are trivial. THe scum needs to be shown that there is no one else in this world that you can or should depend on but yourself. That D.I. really wouldn't care if that person lived or died. IF THIS IS NOT THE CASE, then why is the WWII generation called the greatest generation? Didn't notice that the returning GI's in 1945 fueled discontent and caused revolution. They only made this the greatest country the world has ever seen!

And Joe Arpaio treats his inmates exactly the way they deserved to be treated! I don't break the law because I know it's wrong and I don't what to end up in jail!

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84jason54692002(11 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Well heck lol maybe hollywoods got it right with the movie "saw" and we just need to make a system that allows such devices and being used maybe that straighten things up? In my opinion though you should be able to do on to others as others do onto you. or maybe make punishment for hardcore crimes so horrific people wont want to commit crimes.

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85jason54692002(11 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

But fact is I dont know Chuck or Michelle.Just know the names from their relatives but I can say that Mark wasnt a bad person. Good People die everyday from all walks of life and only way of reducing it is fighting fire with fire. But thats not legal.

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86auntie(6 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Why the hell is it that everytime someone gets murdered in cold blood (white or black, innocent or not) every person on this damn message board argues over which race is more at fault...Are you guys serious? Do you not realize what the REAL issue is? Get some lives and get another deck of cards because that race bullsh*t is out the window with the rest of you ignorant a**holes...

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87Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Jamar Houser was in the wrong place at the wrong time and a murder resulted at St. Dominics . Should we put all of the blame on him or should we blame the white race ?

Was the white race at fault here at the South Ave. Shooting or just the victim ?


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88Lifes2Short(3882 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

"So, when you call people animals...keep in mind that wrong place and the wrong time could be you."

Yes, they are animals, everyone of them. Wild animals don't know right from wrong. They kill to survive. So to compare these useless life forms that prey on innocent people and kill for whatever sick reasons they have is the same as a wild animal in the wilderness. No conscience, no remorse and no human feelings when you try to kill another human being so you are nothing but a animal. There is no reason in the world to kill another human being, unless in self defense, other then being a low life piece of filth.

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89atek101(77 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Like I said earlier, we are all to blame for tolerating these crimes. If the people who commit violent crimes are inhuman for committing them, then we are also inhuman for not standing up and doing something about it.

Instead of complaining on a comment board and tossing the blame around, why don't you volunteer your time towards crime prevention efforts? Answer me that.

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90jason54692002(11 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

This shooting wasnt case of wrong place wrong time. This shooting was result of coward that preys on people. Right or Wrong the victims paid for a service they should have got that service. Not ripped off and shot.

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91blkpride(186 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

didn't these folks know that it is safer to buy your drugs and sex in Canfield? GET OFF OF YOUR HIGH HORSE SUBURBIA!!!!!!

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92jason54692002(11 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

maybe the quality of the product is better in y-town. plus canfields a futher drive for western pa folk. Plus they run these routes all the time from here they know where cops sit. They usually know who the dealers are.

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93jason54692002(11 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

nah cause even here in Greenville its pretty much all white and theres a drug problem. Its just easier to control small towns thats why we dont get all the murders some still happen once in while. yould would be surprised at the amount of criminals and addicts out there that own prominant buisnesses heck even preachers.look at sharon and farrell they are getting pretty bad to. drug dealers robbing their customers that just retarded. bad practice.

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94Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

blkpride :

"these folks know that it is safer to buy your drugs and sex in Canfield? GET OFF OF YOUR HIGH HORSE SUBURBIA!!!!!!"

Perhaps they didn't know where to get drugs in Canfield . If you could list some of the places it would be of help .

We need to crack down on the well known Crack Houses of Youngstown . Garbage without being canned causes a stench of overwhelming proportions .

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95Rayen_87(1 comment)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

I grew up here. Born and raised here and I know 3 of the five families of the murderers. Apparently these kids have never recieved any type of home training other than how to sell drugs, get high, buy cars, and commit murders. Bob Floyd openly operates crack houses all over the east side, rides around in Escalade and Avalanche trucks selling dope right from behind the steering wheel. The police know this and look the other way. The Bakers have also been known through out time to be drug dealers and crack heads but did have some class about themselves. But Mrs Baker and Carlos ( Appo father) were 2 of the biggest drug dealers in youngstown. Johnny, Johnathan, Shonda, Shiek, and Jamal all followed in their footsteps. I'm surprised about Appo but she is just as at fault as everybody else is who rode in HER car!! She knew what was happening. She saw the gloves being handed out and the guns being passed around because there is no way you can have an AK47 undetectable in a car. She's just as guilty so she needs to get it too. Now about Denise, its clear that she shouldn't have been released from prison. Whats up with that Judge? It's really not a black or white thing with the murders in Youngstown though because a white boy killed an entire family.

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97Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

In The Valley it is well known that Crack Dealers have more respect than Law Enforcement . Lets give this disease the cure !

We have sobriety check points so lets get the drug sniffing dog and set up random drug check points ! Put the squeeze on lower level dealers to root out their sources !

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98toomuchapathy(14 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, the blessing of the vindy.com message boards. However, please do act as though THOSE people are foreign and not part of your world.

Crime does not stop at city limits, and blaming will not stop it from overflowing into the lily white suburbs.

The facts are Jamar Houser is 18, he was failed by his parents, his schools, his city leaders, his teachers, and his community and then he failed himself. And that community encompasses the SUBURBS!

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99Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

toomuchapathy :

"The facts are Jamar Houser is 18, he was failed by his parents"

It is true that Jamar Houser is 18 but he was not failed by his parents . Bond money was found for him on a previous charge and on this charge of murder his parents interviewed a witness and were put in jail with him . His mother is now out on bail but his father is still trying to raise bail money .

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100walter_sobchak(2717 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Officers were fragged in Nam because they were dangerous to the grunts. They were unpopular because they were book-smart lieutenants that didn't know their ass from a hole in the ground in the field.

The D.I.'s would survive far beyond those with the thug mentality. Thugs won't have a chance. And the opposite of love is not hate, but indifference.

Ruins don't consume natural resources? How did they rebuild Europe and Japan? Magic? Many of the companies that exist today were around during the war. Messerschmidt, Mitsubishi, etc. We permitted these companies to build themselves back up. We were occupiers of these lands and controlled everything. Matter of fact, we went door to door in Germany, rooted out the Nazis, and shot them in the town square. And it took much longer in Japan because Gen. MacArthur didn't really trust the Japs. However, both of these countries realized the good in the US and are now allies of the U.S.

Doesn't matter what kind of gov't they have in other countries. In the US, it is the people who hold the power. We are not to be lorded over by the gov't. And, right now, the good people of the US are pissed off and we aren't going to take this liberal BS anymore. It's time to get back to selfc reliance and self respect!

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101Nunya(1356 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago

Bottom line,.. this isn't about race, gender, locality, economic class, perspective, political slant, time of day / evening or any of that,.. NOT AT ALL !!! Plain as day this ugly ordeal was about DOPE !!!,.. it was about Dope and the dope heads that were playing the nowhere game engaged in conflict of interests and the all too common and pattern of the predictable happened.

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102briant(57 comments)posted 6 years, 5 months ago


That is a good idea. It's costing us money any way to provide healthcare, food stamps, medicaid checks and legal system. Why not spend the money towards a "MORAL BASED SCHOOL/TREATMENT PROGRAM" and attempt to fix the problem. If anything, it can keep the thugs off the street for a bit... It's got to be more successful than what is happening in Youngstown and other cities.

I was once friends with Mark Batcho (grade and high school). If you don't know who that is, google the name. Believe it or not, he was once a great kid. He seems to have made a turn while in prison. If he had the FULL nuturing of his father, he might not be in jail. My point is, getting these kids as teens in a living, discipilnary and yet nurturing enviornment off the streets may help.

Anyhow Lombardo, you might be on to something.....

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103jason54692002(11 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Actually lombardo that is a good idea. One the most realistic ideas on here. I do know of a female that was in alot of trouble as a kid but she went through that boot camp it straightened her out pretty good....It wont cure all of the problems but it does help.

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104DaBoyPG(3 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago


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105letthedogsout(1 comment)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

The drug testing should be mandatory.I don't know why it has took this long for anyone to bring it up.There are way to may people on welfare using the money for drugs instead of food for their kids.This is a sad thing that has been happening for years.Why do we have to be drug tested to get a job to pay for the people on welfare and they just get to sit on there asses collecting our hard worked money as they are all jacked up on drugs.I see kids that are victims of drug users they are dirty,starving,and wearing dirty torn up clothes that don't fit.while their parents are spending all the welfare money on their drugs.The killing situation that is going on I am sure is due to all the drugs being used.Put a curfew in the problem areas and if people are caught on the street after curfew they should be arrested.I am sure when they are arrested they will be caught with drugs on them.This should take care of two things at once getting the streets cleaned up of drugs and slow down the killings.The cops need to start doing something instead of just sitting back and doing nothing.They just want to sit back also and collect their paychecks.The paperwork seems to be to much work so they rather ignore the problems.We bought a house in Ytown last year and had a stolen car in the garage.When we called the cops they didn't want to do anything about it.We had to track down the owners ourselves.I think this is a part of Ytowns problem the cops just don't want to get involved and do their jobs.

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106Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

"We had to track down the owners ourselves"

Car theft may not be viewed as a crime in Youngstown . Home break-ins don't gain as much attention as shoplifting .

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107baker208(1 comment)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

To Rayen_87
First and foremost , We do not condone the actions of what one does. But for you to think that you know what members of a family do, it just not right. Yes , in the past a few named were in fact "caught up" in what we deem as wrong. But to platenly say they are headed down the same path is wrong. Everyone you named, with the expection of the ones been charged have changed their lives tremendously...Not only are the Born Again Christians, and outstanding parents. They hold great jobs and mentor youth so they will not make the same mistakes. IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT THEN PLEASE DONT COMMENT. NOT ONLY IS THAT SLANDER IT IS ALSO RUDE. SO PLEASE, TAKE TIME TO RESEARCH BEFORE YOU SAY THINGS YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. I AM SURE YOU HAVE NOT LIVED RIGHT YOUR ENTIRE LIFE, BUT OOPS, MY BAD... YOU HAVE..."THE PERFECT PERSON..".NO FAULTS, MAYBE WE SHOULD BE "PRAISING YOU" INSTEAD OF OUR GOD. LETS TRY TO MENTOR PEOPLE, AND SHOW THEM THE CORRECT WAY OF DOING THINGS...INSTEAD OF BRINGING THEM DOWN.

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108star8623(6 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

I don't know how people can say that the people need to do something. The people who are good citizens and don't cause any problems can not do anything about these issues. The people who are causing the problems are the ones that need to wake up and do something, after all they are the problems. Drug dealers, theives, and people that just don't know right from wrong are the problems. I dont know how this will ever end i see it getting so much worse before it gets better. I wish that Youngstown was a place to feel comfortable in but you cant cause that is how the people have made it. You have alot of good people still in this area. If anyone has ideas on how to solve these issues im all for hearing them, but i think that the drug sellers and people who just arent any good need to get caught before anything can be done. The only problem is there are to many of them.

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109star8623(6 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

let the dogs out i like your way of thinking if it needs to be done that what needs to be done in order to get this place straighted up. People will go in defense though and say that those things are fair to people. But guess what we wouldn't have to do that if people would do these thing on there own but they wont

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110atek101(77 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago


I say the people should do something about violent crime because we're tired of living under these conditions. If we expect these criminal activities to stop occurring within our neighborhoods, we have to reduce our tolerance for this kind of behavior.

That means getting together at neighborhood meetings and helping to come up with strategies for crime prevention and ways to improve security and visibility in our neighborhoods.

If there are vacant houses where crime is regularly occurring, let's get together and put pressure on the city or property owner to get them boarded up or maintained. If there are dark, shadowy areas where the street lights are out, let's call the electric company as a group and get them lit. And most certainly, if crimes occur, we have to be there to back each other up so there is no fear of calling the police. There's strength in numbers, and that's true on the "good" side of the fence as well as the "bad".

In short, regular people -can- do something to prevent and deter crime in our neighborhoods and we -are- doing something in Youngstown.
It's happening in neighborhoods all over the city, including my own.

Read reports on the MVOC's website to see some examples. (http://www.mvorganizing.org/campaigns...)

Or check out ACTION's website to see what the spiritual community has been doing.(http://www.action-ohio.org/)

Crime, especially violent crime, is most certainly a form of domestic terrorism that operates on the fear of honest people who live in the neighborhood and the indifference of the greater Mahoning Valley community. It will not occur with any regularity in places where neighborhood residents are visibly present and working together to report and curb criminal activity.

That's why it's absolutely paramount that honest, law-abiding neighborhood residents get together, discuss the issues and stand united on advocating for solutions.

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111Lifes2Short(3882 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

"This morning, a warrant was issued for 24-year-old Randy Bell of Youngstown -- who's now in the Mahoning County jail on an un-related drug trafficking charge."


24 year old animal and already caged up. Pitiful.

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112Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Randy Bell has a long history of drug trafficing . The legal system has given him a free ride for far too long .

BELL, RANDY L DFNDT 05/21/1985





D.O.B 05/21/1985
City/State/Zip YOUNGSTOWN OH 44507

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113star8623(6 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

its not even a point to bring up race because its all races and ethnics that are doing this. people just need to stop being stupid and start caring for one another and stop the violence

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114star8623(6 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

i understand that its just hard to form these groups and to feel like you can have these get togethers

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115Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

star8623 :

"its not even a point to bring up race because its all races and ethnics that are doing this."

One race in Youngstown seems to have the monopoly .

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116atek101(77 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Yeah, the race of indifference.

Star8623, you're right, it's an uphill battle to form stable, active neighborhood organizations and takes strong leadership. On top of that, it takes a bit of bravery.

I'm convinced those leaders are out there in our neighborhoods because I've seen them at work in mine.

As for bravery, well, sometimes it just takes everyday citizens standing up for what they believe in to make great strides toward improvement and accountability in our communities.

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117peeanogirl1(5 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

I don't know where to start...first of all as a retired Postal Worker who worked on the Southside, most of the problems over there are the fact that when I carried mail in the late 70's..on Ferndale, Mistletoe, Avondale, Auburndale, Judson, Lucius, Boston, and all of the troubled areas over there, the homes were owned by elderly white people who had retired. Now that they have died, the family members (heirs) didn't want to be bothered with the property because they didn't want to live in Youngstown at all and now live in the Suburbs...Now the house is sitting there causing BLIGHT and no TAXES being collected so the city has to pay someone to tear the house down and because that takes time...the houses are sitting there being havens for drug activity, crime, rapes, we are finding dead bodies in these homes...Come on now...I've read all of the comments...lets call it what it is. As far as the drug problems....As an ex-addict...I know that most of the customers that come to Youngstown are from the Suburban areas and from Pa. They are white also...So before you want to put a "Monkey Cage" around the troubled areas of Youngstown....You Suburbanites need to #1. Come back to Y-town and look at the property that your lazy, sorry and irresponsible behind left because you moved so far out from Youngstown that you almost live in PA. and.. # 2. Keep all of your Junkies, Drug addicted people and Whores who come to make money in Youngstown and go back to their fine homes in Canfield with their mal-nurished children and 100s of neglected cats and dogs living in feces where the authorities have to tag their houses as unfit to live in...IT"S EVERYWHERE!!! I am ashamed of how we forget where we come from...If you think that the crime and all of it's glory is just in Youngstown You are an idiot!!! Get real people!!!! When you can fix that...then we can fix this!!!

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118Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

peeanogirl1 :

So whitey is to blame for all the crime on the Southside ? Hmmmmmmm . Perhaps we should tax the burbs so the money can used in the public dole and keep the subculture of the Southside flourishing ? This probably wont happen . I predict that disease, decay of the housing and crime will make the subculture extinct in due time on the Southside .

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119Atownrocks(3 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

CHOICES, CHOICES. Well as we can see it, these kids don't want to go down the right road. You can BETTER yourself and get away from it all, these kids don't want to get a real job and have a boss telling them what to do, that is the problem... There is stuff that goes on in the suburbs, but 95% of the parents know where & what their kids are up too, they are very involved in the kids lifes.
Just like the elderly white lady that was murdered on the southside minding her own business leaving CHURCH !!!! the boy who murdered her the parents had to get involved & put in jail also. SO WHAT ARE YOU TEACHING YOUR KIDS????
So when everyone starts picking on the blacks is because look who is doing the killings, home invasions etc... I will not catogorize all blacks in one pot, there is good ones out there...
I am just sick of the excuses of don't know their fathers, no jobs out there. If you try really hard I am sure you will be able to find something better than drugs, killing etc.. But you have to make the choice people can't change you, you have to change yourself !!!

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120Lifes2Short(3882 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago


"I am just sick of the excuses of don't know their fathers, no jobs out there. If you try really hard I am sure you will be able to find something better than drugs, killing etc.. But you have to make the choice people can't change you, you have to change yourself !!!"

I agree 100%

And "peeanogirl1" came up with another excuse: "
You Suburbanites need to #1. Come back to Y-town and look at the property that your lazy, sorry and irresponsible behind left because you moved so far out from Youngstown that you almost live in PA. and.. # 2. Keep all of your Junkies, Drug addicted people and Whores who come to make money in Youngstown and go back to their fine homes in Canfield with their mal-nurished children and 100s of neglected cats and dogs living in feces where the authorities have to tag their houses as unfit to live in...IT"S EVERYWHERE!!!"

Excuses from everyone. Nothing will ever get resolved when everyone has EXCUSES for why all the violence.

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121peeanogirl1(5 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

What's the matter Stan and atown rocks?
Feeling a little guilty for not taking care of the property that your parents left you when they died?? Well I firmly believe that if you had taken care of it and paid the taxes on it...It wouldn't be left to be an EYESORE and a place for crime to take place!!! That's not an excuse..it is a fact...And what about the prostitution ring that was going on at the motel in Canfield....Remember that??? You kill me with all of the rheteric you type on here everyday!!! And for your information...the people who were seen shooting at the 3 people that this whole dialogue was about...2 were white and 1 was black...You do the math...It's people like you who just sit back and want to bash Black people make me sick...If you aren't going to be part of the solution...Then you are a part of the problem. What about the white boy who set the house on fire and killed 6 people??? What was the problem there?? Oh that was okay because he was white??? It's all bad. Get a life!!!

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122Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

I don't owe anyone in The Hood a place to stay or a contribution to buy crack .

Well peeanogirl1, I have been around The Hood enough times to know what goes down . The HOODRATS generate their own misery .

The white boy who is doing time for murder by arson in The Hood was educated by , YOU GUESSED IT, HoodRats ! Was that OK ? His being in the slammer for life proves that it wasn't .

Quit feeling sorry for yourself because most of your friends are in prison . Find some new ones who aren't HOODRATS !

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123peeanogirl1(5 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Gee "Stan" I really struck a nerve with you. First of all Stan...I'm just stating facts and my opinion like you..I noticed when you can't think of nothing to say...You say something stupid like,

"So whitey is to blame for all the crime on the Southside"?

I certainly think that everyone has played a part in the situation. WE ALL KNOW ABOUT THE PROBLEMS...WHAT ARE THE SOLUTIONS???? CRIME IS EVERYWHERE...BEING COMMITTED BY PEOPLE OF ALL RACES!!! As far as the white boy who set fire to the house and killed a Black family of 6, you stated,

"The white boy who is doing time for murder by arson in The Hood was educated by , YOU GUESSED IT, HoodRats ! Was that OK ? His being in the slammer for life proves that it wasn't".

So what would you suggest should have been done to him? His lawyers said he was "Mildly retarded. That's another ballgame!!! What about the family that he burned up??? Why wasn't he given the death penalty??? And what about his mother???/ Where was his father???? I'm sick and tired of the crap being put on here that has no merit. If you want to talk about something...at least have your facts right...No wonder this area is in the shape that it is..We don't have problem solvers...just a lot of people blowing hot air!!! I live in Youngstown and I am proud of it...No, I don't like the crime and yes, I wish things were better and not all Blacks who live in Youngstown are bad people...We are sick of it too. And as a final note... It's statements like this,

"Quit feeling sorry for yourself because most of your friends are in prison . Find some new ones who aren't HOODRATS "!

Being that you don't really know me...I'll overlook that statement. I can tell that you are a lonely, uneducated, old man...because of the language you use...HOODRATS!!! That is so 60ish!! You really sound ignorant...but what should I expect from you...Looks who's face you chose to be represented by!! LOL!! You crack me up!!!

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124HOWARD307(12 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Just PATHETIC! Every local news broadcast seams to open with "Another shooting......." more often than "Another Business is re locating to the Valley" 100 to 1 ! A well defined task force innitiative WITH federal funding targeted at these pukes who kill innocent bystanders while "settling scores" between drug dealers and gangs is about the ONLY way to thwart this activity in our midst.
Our very well trained local task forces need to be properly funded, properly equiped, and the court system needs to assure repeat dangerous offenders -- BELIEVE me , THEY know who they are -- are denied or have a bail that is out of reach. Isn't it a "flag" when an un employed felon posts a cash $20,000 bond? Then get out and intimidate OR terminate potential witnesses?

Wanna attract business> spend the money on crime , not on promoting a "favorable cost of living" or an incubator in the heart of the crime, as evidenced by the crime stats. THEN you can promote a safe Valley and send a message to the Detroit drug suppliers that Y-Town is too "hot" to do dealing anymore. That word will spead like wild fire, and we can cut off the supply,

Why can't WE have due process?

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125Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago



True, but who has a monopoly on it in Youngstown ? Here is a hint ! It isn't me or my family ! So the term "HOODRATS" hit a raw nerve with you did it ? I am prone to drift from political corectness at times . Oh I know that these people ( CRIMINALS ) are rich in culture but a little light in the mental department . They sure are lucky to have you supporting them and doing their heavy mental tasks .

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126peeanogirl1(5 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Stan...the one thing I agree with. You stated,"I am prone to drift from political corectness at times." I must say, I have read some of your past posts and I am very surprised that you came at me like you did. You like to argue. And when you are challenged by someone who can comment and make sense against something you said,,,you get mad! My whole point for posting was to draw another view and opinon. I do not support crime... and if you had been reading my post, you would've gotten that from what I wrote. I also tried to show that the crime problem started waaaaaay before the 3 people got shot in this article. I got robbed one day over 25 years ago going into my house. My solution to that has been be more aware of my surroundings and not go anywhere at night alone. Seems to have worked for me. It's people like you who come to vindy.com to spew your babbling rheteric but, you won't write a "Letter To The Editor" because you have to reveal who you are. So...you pretend to be this (Hulk Hogan) and you really don't know HIS story either because if you did...you wouldn't want to be represented by his face!!! As I had stated before...You show "Hulk Hogan" as the face of your comments...that alone is a laugh when you want to talk about somebody's mental state!! You really crack me up...!!!

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127Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

peeanogirl1 :

"you get mad!"

Naw ! I just make my point .

So you don't like Hulk Hogan ? The WWF and Hulk Hogan were good entertainment . He work hard to maintain his career for many years . Problems with his wife and health issues from old age have taken their toll . I still have a prayer for him .

I find your liberal viewpoint very entertaining . So you think that you make sense ? Well at least you agree with your self . That is a plus .

I have studied the pulse of crime in the city for a while . One thing that is for certain is the fact that anyone can be a victim at anytime . The best defense against crime is to put career criminals away for life but this isn't going to happen here in The Valley . The only fear they have is execution day on death row . Sorry to hear of your experience getting robbed 25 years ago .

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128Northsider4life(1 comment)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Wow!!! I have been sitting her in awe reading all of the comments from everyone...black, white. I am a white woman from the Northside of Youngstown (Very proud of it). A graduate from The Rayen School. I am glad to announce that I have made it thru the so called "gutters" of the world. Anyone who spoke about "choices" I would have to agree with you. I was raised by a single mother, who suffers from mental illness and unfortunately my 2 siblings have been infected as well. They have taken to the street life. (Yes, they are also white) By God's blessing, I made it out safe. I love where I grew up and would never change a day of it. I have seen racism on both ends of the spectrum. I have as many black friends as I do white friends. I lived in AZ for about 4 yrs and I have to say that I watched the news every night and seen only 1 black man on TV for committing a crime. The truth is people... Y-town is prodominately black so of course the crime rate will be higher in the black community. In AZ there are 3% blacks. so it is low. I just wish the few of you who have not seen anything else but Y-town would spread your wings and see a bigger city where there are all walks of life working/living next to each other. I do hate that Y-town is so segregated. It is a shame.

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129rloh330(43 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

I agree with Stan about the draft and teaching the younger generation some respect.
When kids walk in the MIDDLE of the street and act the way they do it makes me SICK. It makes me so mad they enjoy the freedom of this great country and have done NOTHING to deserve it.
I also disagree with the BS that there are jobs and you should take that CRACKERS comment and stick it.
WHITE folk SHOULD stick together just like the other races.
It's not wrong to do THAT!

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130starofesther(168 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Over and Over and Over People are being killed on South Ave...Something new has to be done ASAP..that is a high risk area...The guy from KFC, Busy Bee, Coconut Grove...No values No respect for life...Very SINFUL AND EVIL behavior...killing and some other killers are still on the lose in Youngstown... Praying for this city and the people that are doing this acts of violence....The Lord Almighty Knows who they are..and let their sin find them out! Expose the secrets of their heart and bring them to justice Oh Lord!

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131Stan(9923 comments)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

I believe that the criminal element on the Southside is evolving into a lower life form . They should arise from the compost heap and join mankind once again . Churches have a lifeline ready if the people have a desire to live in dignity . If your lifestyle feels degrading thats because it is degrading . We were meant to arise above lower forms of life on this planet and not to sink below their level .

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132flo(1 comment)posted 6 years, 4 months ago

Excuse me: could someone please tell me why no one is blaming the parents for NOT raising their children in the fear and admonition of the Lord? Or even if the parents don't have a relationship with God, whatever happened to good old common sense in raising their children? When I was growing up, we were allowed to be beat ( not to be confused with abuse) and most of us turned out just fine.

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