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Man shot by city cop improves; chief hopes 3 probes end this week



Published: Sun, August 22, 2010 @ 12:09 a.m.

By David Skolnick

skolnick@vindy.com

YOUNGSTOWN

An 18-year-old man shot by a city police officer is out of the intensive care unit, and any charges resulting from the shooting could be filed by midweek.

Police Chief Jimmy Hughes said he anticipates that three separate police investigations into Patrolman Phil Chance Jr.’s shooting of Cory R. Timmings will be done by that time. However, he added, the department needs to be thorough in its investigations so the results may take till the end of the week or possibly next week.

Timmings was shot in the parking lot of Pal Joey’s, a bar on East Midlothian Boulevard, at 2:36 a.m. Friday. A nursing supervisor at St. Elizabeth Health Center said late Saturday that he had been upgraded to stable condition.

Officer Chance was helping to break up a fight and disperse a large crowd at the bar when the shooting occurred, according to a police report.

The officer shouted to Timmings to lower the “very loud” music coming from his car, the police report states.

Rather than turn down the music, Timmings drove toward Chance, hitting the officer and forcing him up on the car’s hood, the report states.

The police report, written by Detective Sgt. James Pasquale, further states:

Timmings wouldn’t stop even though Chance, who rolled off to the driver’s side, told the 18-year-old man that he was under arrest.

Chance reached inside the car trying to turn off the ignition. Timmings then increased his speed, dragging Chance.

The officer, “fearing his life was in danger,” pulled out his gun and fired a shot inside the car toward the driver. Chance was then able to get off the car.

Timmings, shot in the upper back, sped away, but his car was pulled over by police on Lake Park Drive.

Chance was treated at St. Elizabeth in Boardman for injuries to his shoulder, arms, hip and knees. He is on paid administrative leave while the shooting is investigated.

That’s standard procedure for Youngstown police when an officer shoots someone.

The police report recommends Timmings be charged with felonious assault and resisting arrest as Chance “felt the suspect struck him with the auto on purpose.”

Hughes said the investigations into the shooting are being conducted by the department’s internal affairs division, the detective bureau and the shooting team.

The latter consists of five officers who investigate every time an officer fires his weapon.

It’s customary that all three units investigate an incident such as this, the chief said.

“Just because he’s a police officer, Chance doesn’t have any more influence” than Timmings over the investigations, Hughes said. “We’re investigating everyone’s actions. If there was something wrong by the officer, he will be charged. If it’s [Timmings], then he’ll be charged.”

Officers have spoken to Chance, Timmings, Timmings’ family and witnesses, with further interviews to occur, the chief said. “The detectives will determine criminal charges and if the officer’s conduct was proper or improper,” he added.


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11970mach1(1005 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

"Officers have spoken to...... Timmings’ family......"

Well, that's good. I was worried that people who not there and who raised this punk wouldn't get interviewed. I know I'll sleep a little better tonight knowing young Cory is doing better. Let's get him back on the street real soon.

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2Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

"The officer shouted to Timmings to lower the “very loud” music coming from his car, the police report states."

Enough said, LISTEN and none of this would've happened. But nope, young punk had to be a animal. Drunk or not, and the idiots that say we all did stupid things,etc. Me or any of my friends, never tried to RUN DOWN a police officer, if anything, when a officer pulled you over or got behind you, you sobered up real fast. These young thugs today, just don't give a s@#4. And this is what happens.
What a useless human being and he should count his blessings hes still alive. When will these jacka@#es learn. And when will the idiots quit sticking up for these young amoebas like they do no wrong.

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3Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

After the stay in the hospital the bills will roll in .

After the warrants are served an attorney will be hired .

After the attorney is hired the bills will roll in .

If Cory is declared indigent guess who pays his bills ? Cory's bills will be paid by the residents of Mahoning County . His hospital bill will be tremendous and they will be forced to absorb the bill if Cory can't pay . If he can't pay for an attorney one will be appointed . Taxpayers will pay for this service . When all this is over we will have spent more than enough to have sent him to college for a degree . Now he will have a blemished record that will hinder employment . Cory has now become a burden on society because of his bad behavior at Pal Joeys . This should give his supporters a warm glow knowing that they are helping to pay for Cory's so called good time .

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4Joe306tow(49 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Cory, have fun in Prison!

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5mrblue(1000 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

The young man was wrong and he will pay the price. And by the way, all you cop haters out there-----this officer will not lose his job. He did the right thing. And again I say that Pal Joeys needs to be investigated for serving those who are underage.

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6dg4242(2 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

No one else finds this the least bit curious? The original report had the officer being struck by a green Grand Am. Then the story was changed to an SUV. I don't know of many people that would be thrown on to the hood of an SUV and roll off if they were struck by it. And how was the officer able to recover so quickly from the alleged hit, get up, catch up to the car, and reach in for the ignition? The story seems to fit together a little to perfectly for the officer involved. Saying that Cory lined the car up and struck him.... I don't know about you but if i was able to asses that the driver lined me up and was coming for me, I would also think to get out of the way. And how is it that the driver was shot in the back if the officer was reaching in through the driver window? The call from the officer to dispatch said the driver "tried" to hit him. but after all is said and done the report says the driver did hit the officer and he rolled up and off the hood?

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7UnionForever(1470 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Just another typical day in Dodge City aka Youngstown. It won't be long till the "R"-word is used to describe Officer Chance. These urban youths have no respect for the law or those who administer it. So Sad!!!

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8shortee15(10 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

I hope this young punk gets a lot of time for assaulting a police officer! To those who claim this thug is a good boy who wouldn't hurt anyone... he showed the kind of person he is on Friday night. I hope the officer feels better soon and is cleared of any wrong doing. These young people today need to learn to respect the law and those who risk their lives to protect it and us!

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9buddydog(9 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

I feel the same way as dg4242 in his posting #7 today. As dg4242 stated, I also read the original report and listened to the recorded telephone call to YPD dispatch. The facts as reported by and called into police dispatch by Chance just don't add-up. The written report appears to be well detailed to cover his story but not to the point that logically makes sense. Hopefully, these upcoming internal investigations, with the help of the witnesses on the scene, will expose exactly what appears to be a cover-up by Chance and his fellow cops to justify his shooting that could have possibly been handled another way by all involved. I'm sure that Chance is a good cop but it appears that maybe he got carried away and over-reacted in this particular situation.

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10jrolley325(800 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

unionforever is probably the 3rd most retarded poster on this site.....next to usa1 and stan.

this guy had it coming, and i don't feel bad at all. but, you don't know anything about his ability to pay doctors or lawyers so you should just stfu. he's also white.

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11jm1412(3 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

WOW to most of these comments. Half of you probably have no idea who he is or what a good kid he is. It's pretty messed up seeing as how most of you have no room to say anything. You were this young once, and most of you probably have kids that do the same thing behind your back. This is how things are now. Really, tell me some activities an 18 year old can do around THE GREAT YOUNGSTOWN OHIO. Everyone goes to bars, everyone drinks, depression rate is UP. This town offers nothing. Don't go making ANY assumptions about some secondary information. If you were there, fine. However I really think it's crazy because if Cory was one of your family members, you all wouldn't be thinking about yourselves. He was about to start school and hopefully can start as soon as he is better. Everyone has been here, God only knows what really happened. Cops have switched SO many things around on everyone, honestly; who really knows. So calm down and keep your ignorant comments to yourselves.

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12jm1412(3 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

dg4242 IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. Please don't assume everything you hear is true. Especially when the story keeps changing.

And yes. All kids are getting served underage. Mickeys, Pal Joeys, Irish Bob's, Downtown 36, Barley's.. all depends on who you know. Maybe they should investigate that a little more instead of waiting for these kids to drive out of the parking lots so they can pull them over. haaaa it's hilarious how this all "works".

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13Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

buddydog

"will expose exactly what appears to be a cover-up by Chance and his fellow cops to justify his shooting that could have possibly been handled another way by all involved. I'm sure that Chance is a good cop but it appears that maybe he got carried away and over-reacted in this particular situation."

Another stupid fool you are. A cover-up? Carried away??? People like you are one of the reasons these young punks are what they are today. Everyone thinks their never wrong!

jm1412

"WOW to most of these comments. Half of you probably have no idea who he is or what a good kid he is."

Here we go again, a good and perfect kid! He did no wrong!

"You were this young once, and most of you probably have kids that do the same thing behind your back. "

Ahh, we didn't try to hit a officer and when told to lower a radio we LISTENED!

"This is how things are now."

NOW THAT IS A SCARY COMMENT! Not listening to a cop and dragging him is how things are now? What a scary world for my grandchildren to come into.

"Really, tell me some activities an 18 year old can do around THE GREAT YOUNGSTOWN OHIO."

Ahh, hitting a cop with your car and getting shot at is a activity? Theres things to do. Mill Creek, Swimming, Roller Blading, YMCA, Teen clubs, Studying, Library, Church, cook outs, concerts, family night, etc...and what else do OTHER cities young kids do?

This town offers nothing.

What else do OTHER cities around the country have to offer?

"However I really think it's crazy because if Cory was one of your family members, you all wouldn't be thinking about yourselves."

Cory isn't one of my family members, Cory should have LISTENED. Cory is WRONG!

"Cops have switched SO many things around on everyone, honestly; who really knows."

So you think Off Chance fired his pistol for NO REASON! Get real dude! Off. Chance has a family and wife he would like to go home to each night and you think he shot at this young punk because he felt like it. You really are stupid dude.

"So calm down and keep your ignorant comments to yourselves."

Talk to Off. Chances family and tell them what you said. You have no clue what could've happened and having another officer killed in the line of duty over some STUPID young punk.

jm1412

"dg4242 IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. Please don't assume everything you hear is true. Especially when the story keeps changing."

Dude, once again where is the story changed?

This is what I mean about the mentaility of todays idiots. Are you really that stupid and dumb. The young punk is WRONG, period! It's funny how these young punks friends get on the vindy and say how good they are and everything, it's like you could copy and paste the comments from other criminals stories.


Bottom line, all the fool had to do was LISTEN, is that so hard today?
Once again the cop is WRONG and the criminal is RIGHT! Unbelievable!

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14dg4242(2 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

http://www.wytv.com/mostpopular/story...

Witnesses say the officer was standing in the middle of the parking lot when a green car drove by.

"At one point or another, we believe the car and the officer had contact," Chief Jimmy Hughes said.

and listen to the ACTUAL dispatch call. Officer chance himself says the driver TRIED to hit him. Never does he say he was hit.

And i happen to personally know one of the nurses who was with officer Chance at the hospital. They said all he had to show was a scrape on his elbow and was there only because of standard police procedures. SO how does that fit in with all the injuries the news reported he had? Where the reporters there to see it? or were they going by what fellow officers stated?

So I say to you Lifes2Short, why don't you wait and see where this investigation goes before you start decided who the criminal is. You know neither of the people involved to say who went wrong here. You are only going by what a police report says. There have been no statements from witnesses on the scene released due to the investigation, so you are going off one side of the story. So who is the fool now?

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15jm1412(3 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Exactly. The story just doesn't line up.
We'll see!

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16Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

dg4242

Dude, one incident everyone agrees with, Officer Chance told him to lower his music, he DID'NT, what is so hard about that? And all this could have been avoided by listening! Not to difficult is it? What happened to being responsible for your OWN ACTIONS? He listens, lowers his stupid loud music, over and done with, he goes home, the officer goes home, and another night ends in Youngstown. But no. He don't listen. Is that so hard to do?

"and listen to the ACTUAL dispatch call."

http://www.wytv.com/media/lib/129/e/1...

What is so news breaking about that, he just shot a person, you think he's going to have correct grammar in that moment? And he was dragged trying to arrest him and take the keys out of the ignition, is it that hard to STOP when a officer is at your door, getting dragged on top of that, and telling you to stop? You STOP.

"And i happen to personally know one of the nurses who was with officer Chance at the hospital."

I hope you don't mention the nurses name, because there is a confidentiality law about patient confidentiality. She can be sued and fired you know.

"So I say to you Lifes2Short, why don't you wait and see where this investigation goes before you start decided who the criminal is."

Seems like your story is one sided also. A policeman just gets up every morning and say, I'm going to shoot a punk because I just feel like it, or it's a boring night, might as well shoot someone. Get real dude.

"You know neither of the people involved to say who went wrong here."

Nope, never said I did, but CORY is WRONG. Period.

"So who is the fool now?"

CORY is the fool now, and the people that stick up for him because once again the Police are WRONG and the criminal is RIGHT. Once again, I for one, could'nt stand the police, my story tells that, but I'm sick and tired of these policeman not being able to protect society because of the ridicilous people that have a beef for them doing there job. Do you think Officer Chance wanted to shoot this punk? Don't you think this could have been all avoided? Cory is the wrong one here, not a policeman doing his job!

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17Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

buddydog and justthefactsplease

Cory is right. The police are wrong. The police are doing a cover up and once again we move on. The police are always in the wrong and thats a shame.

Can't wait for the trail and to hear Corys side. Should be interesting.

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18Silence_Dogood(1356 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Knowthefactsplease
If the events went down the way that you said then it would seem that Officer Chance is in it( crap) very deep.

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19woolyd(579 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

LIFE2SHORT let me first say that I wasnt there and dont know what happened. I hope the truth comes out. But are you implying that cops are always right and not corrupt especially in this area?

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20Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

woolyd

"But are you implying that cops are always right and not corrupt especially in this area?"

No, I never said all cops are always right. And yes, there are corrupt ones in every city or town in this country. And I'm sure there wrong in alot of cases. But why is it that every time a young adult does something the police are to blame? This is going on way to much in todays society. How are the police suppose to protect the citizens when every time something like this happens, there always getting blamed. It's like a damn if you do or damn if you don't. This is a perfect example of a young adult that didn't listen to a police officers command. And it's the officers fault that he had to do what he did?

I hated cops since I could remember, despised them, but recent events that lead me to prison led me to understand the officers were only doing there jobs and the responsibility of my actions and consequences were my own fault. No one else. All that time I was blaming the police all I had to do was look in the mirror.
And if this officer did do something wrong then I would be the first one to apologize. But if anything this looks like a clear case. Will have to wait and see now.

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21woolyd(579 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Well LIFE thats because our society allows the use of scapegoats and allow a lack of accountability. Hell we arent even allowed to discipline our kids anymore. Everyone bitches about Obama in these blogs but did the Bush Administration ever take accountability for mistakes? No and this is now what our society has become a bunch of lawless individuals who have no respect or accountability for their actions.

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22Bec(7 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Thank you knowthefacts and Hillary (etal) for your calm, concise assessments. I tried to speak sensibly to these posters but sadly I found that some are just too dull-witted to understand. You can tell them again and again that what they believe might not be true and they will insist that black is white. It's like talking to a wall. These posts are fraught with derogatory labels and statements about Cory (thug, inner city scum, ghetto criminal). They do not know anything about Cory and they are stereotyping him (wrongly, I might add) and making broad assumptions about his character. Only the ignorant assume, the wise weigh the facts and do not jump to their own, twisted conclusions. Cory is like a member of my own family and I know many, many people - pillars of the community - who will attest to his good character. I've said it before and I will say it again. Cory would never, ever intentionally try to harm anyone in this manner. Please let the investigators do their job and please, PLEASE show some compassion for Cory's parents who are beside themselves thinking that they might have lost their son. How evil can one's heart be that they can so casually talk about taking the life of another human being and have such disregard for a young person's family? Shame on you - all of you!

Now, go ahead, have at me. I can take it. Just please leave the Timmings family alone.

P. S. I am not a cop hater either. As a matter of fact, my father-in-law was a police officer, but I do know that cops are not gods and they can make mistakes, too, even if just a misperception of a situation.

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23Rokscout(310 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

So if it is just a "mistake" or "misconception" where Cory didn't make the right choice and neither did the officer, there will be no lawsuit then correct? You see, this officer may have made a split second decision that you disagree with, but Cory's poor decision making started when he drove to the bar, knowing he was going to drive home.

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24walter_sobchak(1922 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Bec

It appears young Cory made a few bad decisions on one night: underage drinking, DUI, failing to obey an officer's order. Don't know the kid. I'm sure he came from a good family and was not normally a troublemaker.

BUT, a lot of good people make terrible decisions that cost them forever. This one almost cost him his life. You have to believe that an 18 year old out at 2:30 a.m. at a drinking establishment watching a fight is asking to find trouble. And, trouble found him. The most crucial point you are missing is that Cory VOLUNTARILY put himself in a dangerous situation despite being a good kid from a good family. As a society, we hire police officers to keep law and order and pay them to put their lives on the lines. This cop was doing his job.

When I was young, my friends and I did a lot of partying and other stupid things because we were going to live forever. We also knew how to stay out of trouble, what to avoid, and what not to do. The one thing you don't do is disobey a police officer because we knew they could shoot your arse anytime. I guess Cory knows that now too. He's lucky he only was shot once.

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25JTsMom(2 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Wow, it amazes me that so many people are judgmental. I too know Cory and his family personally and can attest that he is a good kid. Did he maybe make a poor decision....possibly but know one but Cory knows what was going on in his mind at the time. I agree with a few other postings on here that things look fishy. If I recall, early reports state that the responding officer was standing in the parking lot when a green car drove by; now it is Cory was in the parking lot a ran the officer over....Which is it?

While Cory was and still in the hospital for injuries inflicted by the officer, the officer only received bumps and bruises, Cory must not have been trying to purposely run the officer over and why in the world would a person get in front of a moving vehicle? Maybe the officer wants to kick back and receive Workers' Compensation for the rest of his life. With all the cop cars shown on TV, why not review the video tape from the cruisers or talk to the witnesses standing about on whether or not they got a license plate? They could then have traced the plates back and arrested Cory at his residence should they have felt it was really warranted. That would have saved 2 people from getting injured as well as the city spending money it doesn't have to pay for the investigation into this matter.

I am so glad that there is so many perfect people in Youngstown and the surrounding cities that can make a judgment so quick after reading an article or watching TV. PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES and I know this for a fact because I too experienced the hatred and narrow mindedness that SOME are showing in these posts. Some ASSUME that Cory was a bad kid based on one-sided facts reported in this paper....GROW UP and get a life because you can do something wrong in a blink of an eye and end being the subject of such hatred on here too.

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26Valleys_Voice(149 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Add DUI with the previous two charge:

"The police report recommends Timmings be charged with felonious assault and resisting arrest as Chance felt the suspect struck him with the auto on purpose.”

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27MBA1109(3 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

It is absolutely disgusting that anyone can #1) Judge a man by what his father has done, and #2) Question a police officer's motives when he has been assaulted. How many times have officers died because they did not make a move to protect themselves? If you want to be honest with yourself, think of being a Youngstown City police officer, trying to control a crowd, giving direct orders, and being hit by the car that you have given an order to? Would you or would you not fear for your life??? I do know that Chance isn't parading around happy about this incident, as he never wants to hurt anyone, and didn't want to that night, but he is formally trained and is not a rookie, he has the right to protect his own life, just as he protects all of yours on a daily basis. What I also find funny is that everyone keeps saying that Timmings is a "good kid." Someone always says that at murderers', rapists', and drug dealers' trials... "He was such a good kid.." HAHAHA

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28Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Paul Durkin was shot and killed by a nice kid with stolen property and a twenty two caliber revolver . The defense attorney attacked Pauls character to no avail . Nobody bought it .

http://www.odmp.org/officer/4401-patr...

Patrolman Durkin was shot and killed after stopping a man on suspicion of petty theft. Before he had an opportunity to exit his vehicle the suspect shot and killed him. The suspect was subsequently convicted and was eligible for parole after serving 13 years.
Patrolman Durkin was survived by his wife and daughter.

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29MBA1109(3 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Even if we are talking 'rookie' status for time served at YPD, 2006 would make it 4 years, 80 hours a week, but regardless, he has been an officer for 12 years.....

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30JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

JTsMom,

Recapping your first sentence:

"Wow, it amazes me that so many people are judgmental."

In your second paragraph:

"Maybe the officer wants to kick back and receive Workers' Compensation for the rest of his life. "

Do you know what the word hypocrite means?

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31strike(3 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

FOR ALL OF YOU WHO THINK CORY IS A THUG OR WHATEVER YOU ARE CALLING HIM IS RIDICULOUS!!!!

He is a great person! Okay so he made a mistake, who doesn't! For all of the parents out there commenting on this story, I bet your kids are doing things that you do NOT approve of, and will also make bad choices! Cory was a great student in high school and never lied about a thing even if he was wrong! So when time comes for the trial I bet my life he will not lie and will tell the truth! Unlike the cop who said one thing on the 911 call then changed his whole story around! Come on you talk about our society falling apart well maybe the authority should be honest and not take advantage of the system!
DID YOU EVER THINK OF THAT!!
Timmings family does not need this from any of you who judging someone you do not know! Ever hear of the saying don't judge a book by its cover!
I hope Cory recovers and pay for what he does but then make something of his life to prove all you no good Americans wrong!
I LOVE YOU CORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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32JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Is that you alove?

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33Devilzadvocate(3 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

It always amazes me how the "holier than thou" critics out there forget what it was like to be a young man at the age of 18 trying to find your place in the world. These people are always the ones who only remember themselves as respectful model youngsters with a complete absence of character flaws or irresponsibility.

One thing that does not surprise me anymore is the manner in which police officers always manage to blindly band together in incidents of this nature. There is a time and place for this type of professional support and that occurs when you are on the job. When the shift is over and you are reading the tabloids, perhaps you should attempt to experience some objectivity from time to time.
The "Cory defenders" out there have tried to promote Cory as a "good kid" based on the fact that he has graduated a local high school. I agree that this is not enough of an accomplishment to pass a character judgement on the boy. However, I do believe that Cory is normally a responsible young adult. Whether or not he has made a poor judgement in this case will yet be determined and we should leave it at that.
What I find compelling however, is the fact that no one is really questioning the fact that officer Chance is said to have been on the hood of the vehicle...somehow simultaneously reaching for the ignition...and able to shoot Cory "IN THE BACK"! I'm sorry, but something just doesn't jive there! Either officer Chance is a close relative of Elastic Man, his past time is spent as an action movie stunt double or something is a little fishy about this side of the story. I'm really not sure how this all points to a face to face confrontation with someone ending up shot in the back?

Now before all you boys in blue out there and their wives start in on me, I would just like to say that I am a serviceman myself and would give my life in an instant for all of you Officer Chance's and Cory Timming's alike. My biggest beef is the one sidedness of the comments and the absolute innate refusal to look beyond the badge and try to be objective.

For all of you Cory supporters...I have also known Cory since birth and would trust the young man with my life. If he has made a mistake, it is definitely one that is uncharacteristic for a person of his aptitude.

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34strike(3 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Excuse me?

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35Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

"For all of you Cory supporters...I have also known Cory since birth and would trust the young man with my life. "

You must be a relative . I wouldn't trust Cory with a bicycle and a twelve pack of beer !

http://www.instructables.com/image/FJ...

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36JTsMom(2 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

To JME,

Yes I do know what the word "hypocrite" means and I am by no means trying to "pretend to be something I am not; I am merely stating my thoughts on why someone would be stupid enough to get in front of a vehicle. Ask around, people that do know the officer very well state that he is a "hot head" and supposedly he has a record of pulling his weapon out at times when it is not warranted. All I am saying is let ALL the facts come out before condemning anyone instead of making a decision based on half the story.

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37Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Devilzadvocate

"Whether or not he has made a poor judgement in this case will yet be determined and we should leave it at that."

He did make a poor judgment no question about that.

1. Being at a bar. (whether he was drinking or not, no reason to be still at a bar at 2:38AM when your only 18.

2. Blasting your car stereo in a bar parking lot at 2:38AM when there are police there. (there is a noise ordinance. That is just called stupidity).

3. Not listening when a police officer tells you to lower your stereo. (Really is not that difficult to turn the knob).

4. Trying to drive away. (Why? First off he should'nt have been there, second off, wait till the police leave or the crowd disapates. Why bring attention to yourself).

5. Driving away. (Stupidity, you have a police officer that either you hit or tried to, a police officer telling you your under arrest, a police officer trying to get the keys from your ignintion and your trying to drive away. Real smart decesion there. I think a child would know better then that).

6. Talking on his cellphone. (Getting out of the car after he got shot, talking on his cellphone. Priceless.

He could be the greatest guy in the world, but when you jeopardize yourself, innocent people, the police, his passenger, what would you call that?

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38JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Lifes2Short,

Very well summarized.

Unfortunately, too many want to block this out and create a police consipracy theory.

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39goincrackers(7 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Hey Strike where are you from? Why do you think all American's are no good? Isn't Cory an American? You must be a relative. If you un-Americans didn't let your young uns booze it up, this would not have happened. Face it the young man should have listened to the officer and none of this would have happened.

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40Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

BOY COMES TO PAL JOEYS TO ASSERT HIMSELF OVER THE LAW AND GETS SHO T !

Read all about it . . ...

http://www.wkbn.com/media/lib/129/1/e...

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41Devilzadvocate(3 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Lifes2Short

You have certainly made your opinion clear in regards to what is stated in the police report. Unfortunately, this report is not considered factual information...just a piece of evidence at this point. It is simply the account of an officer on scene. There have been other accounts as well that are not covered within this article that refute the police report and have been briefly summarized in some other posts. Again, none of these are facts. I'm sure, very soon, some facts will be proven and others will not.
In regards to your opinions of teens and young adults in the community...I believe that you are being quite clear there as well. No one is disputing noise regulations or matters of state law in regards to under age drinking. Substance abuse has been present in our society as long as any of us can remember and there have been laws condemning it for almost as long. The fact that you appear to use a large brush to paint this demographic of youths is disconcerting and obviously unfair. Imagine, just for an instant, that not all of these young adults are what you think they are. Now imagine that Cory isn't either.

In my opinion, and in the opinion of some others, the actions of officer Chance sound quite remarkable in terms of dexterity. The account is truly phenomenal! It leaves the instant reaction that such feats of strength and physical prowess would be unbelievable and in most cases impossible. I just don't know if I can buy the story in its entirety as accounted by the Detective. What I do know, is that I would not wish to be present in a Use of Force seminar where officer Chance is the primary instructor. If the actions of Chance were truly required and just, then why did the altercation and dramatic chase end so quietly when Timmings was pulled over by other officers on Lake Park Drive?
I believe that another post summarized this as well when it was suggested that Chance could have recorded the vehicle information, called in the infraction and still had Timmings arrested on Lake Park Drive or somewhere nearby without any shots fired. This is what officers are taught to do. This is how they are trained. This is how they are expected to act and react. If laws were broken, Cory would have paid accordingly and in this scenario, no one would have been hurt.

Again to Lifes2Short:

You mentioned, "He could be the greatest guy in the world, but when you jeopardize yourself, innocent people, the police, his passenger, what would you call that?"

I agree...and the very same comment could be made in regards to officer Chance.
He could be the greatest officer in the organization, but when he jeopardized himself, any innocent bystanders, other officers, the passenger and Cory...by needlessly attempting to disable the vehicle and discharging his firearm in an unstable position...What would I call that?

In a word?

"Irresponsible".

That's what I would call both of them in this situation.

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42pens(20 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

BamBam:

Did Channel 21 actually say the they had no understanding as too how the officer was able to shoot.. I can answer that..NO

Lets kinda paint more of a picture for you... Officer has torso inside vehicle trying to turn the ignition off with his right hand and holding on to the steering wheel with left hand..YA WITH ME.. now the driver starts to go..officer still having ahold of the wheel with his left hand is being drug by vehicle. now the officer draws his weapon with his right hand..ok now the right hand is where right now? Probably coming up from the rear of the vehicle.. the officer shoots into the car..from that perspective..probably right where he was pointing..at his back!...not so hard to comprehend... we don't know how fast the car was going..for all we know it was still going slow enought the officer could still keep up while holding on.... not like the said he floored it and speed out of the parking lot at 60mph... we don't need a stunt team to recreate that one!!

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43Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Devilzadvocate :

So since you infer that Phil Chance was irresponsible what would you call Cory getting drunk and confronting him ? Cool ?

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44MVP(67 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

So the Cory apologists think the officer should have "counted to 10" (by which time the car may have struck a bystander?) or spoken to him in a "non abusive manner" so the kid would have respect for the officer? Newsflash, the badge grants the officer the respect and the kid should know that. Does the officer know if the guy in the car breaking the law is a "good kid from a nice family" or a thug? No, all he knows is the kid disobeyed a police order and whether he was struck or nearly struck by the car, felt threatened. Let's face it, even if the kid just tried to flee the scene he was wrong and he was the instigator.

I am trying to phrase this so as not to assume facts not proven but let's face it, the kid put himself in a bad situation and then made it infinitely worse with each decision he made. Did the officer overreact? Maybe but why did Cory put him in a position to overreact? Could it have been handled differently? Certainly Cory could have obeyed the officer and it's over. And the officer? Yes, but who knows if the results may have been worse? What if Cory lost control in his effort to flee and struck and killed an innocent bystander?

The point is, we have two separate issues to resolve. First, did Cory break the law and what laws were broken? It seems pretty clear the answer is yes and he should be punished to the fullest extent of the law (not shot "like an animal"...really people, use your brain)

The second issue is how the situation was handled by the officer and if the officer did something illegal, he should be charged. Note, I didn't say "if he used bad judgment" or if he "could have handled it differently" because hindsight is 20/20. If that is the case, use it as training for future officers and put this officer through more training then let him get back to work.

Sorry for the long post but it exhausts me to see people trivialize what Cory did to get himself in trouble in the first place and then blame the officer for using bad judgment. Hold the kid accountable for his actions. If there was wrong doing on the part of the officer, hold him accountable as well.

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45Devilzadvocate(3 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

"MVP", you're definitely on the right track.

One comment though...no one is ever "put into a position to overreact". When people are "put into a position", the reaction that occurs is entirely up to them and them alone.
OVERreaction is a mistake. Whether it is a lapse in judgment or in any way unintentional, it doesn't matter. Officers are trained to REACT not OVERREACT.
They are definitely in a position of authority and no one is disputing that fact. But let's face it (and not to be cliche) with such authority there also comes great responsibility. In my opinion, it is this that appears most in question regarding this case.

You are right...when this all comes out in the wash, we will find out who is at fault. My assumption based on the existing information is that BOTH are at fault. Trust the system and hope for the truth...regardless of what that may be.

To "Stan" (although I feel it is futile to respond), please try to read the whole post rather than stopping before the last line. I know the posts have been long and for that I echo MVP's apology, but try and stay with us.

The word you were looking for was "IRRESPONSIBLE".

Once again, IRRESPONSIBLE...not "Cool".

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46lovedrama(138 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Anyone remember the Jim Gresko story out of Ravenna about 3 years ago? He was a great guy-about 33 years old, never arrested for anything, and a star football player at McDonald High school then later Mount Union college. He went out one night, was drinking, and to make a long story short, tried to hit a police officer with his Hummer. He's in prison now, teaching inmates how to read and write. He never denied the charges either. He's still a great guy who made a huge mistake.

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47Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Cops who don't act quickly die at the hands of their attacker . Was Phil at fault ? How could he be ? It was Cory's family that raised him on alcohol and allowed him to run out of control . Good 18 year old boys aren't drunk at 2am in a bar's parking lot looking for trouble with the law .

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48Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

devilzadvocate

"You have certainly made your opinion clear in regards to what is stated in the police report. "

The police report, the witnesses that commented on here are all into account of my comments. Read.

"The fact that you appear to use a large brush to paint this demographic of youths is disconcerting and obviously unfair."

I'm not talking just about the Youngstown area, I'm talking all over the country in todays society. Read the daily news all over this country. It's sad what the young generation is doing and getting away with with no remorse. They don't respect no one.

"Imagine, just for an instant, that not all of these young adults are what you think they are."

If you read my other post, you would see that I praise the young adults that do good in the community. I volunteer my time to young adults to talk about the dangers of drinking and driving and drugging. I've been in prison for that and I'm trying to make a difference.

"..and the very same comment could be made in regards to officer Chance.
He could be the greatest officer in the organization, but when he jeopardized himself, any innocent bystanders, other officers, the passenger and Cory...by needlessly attempting to disable the vehicle and discharging his firearm in an unstable position...What would I call that? "

How did the Officer jeopardize anybody? He's there to protect society. Do you really believe he wanted to shoot his gun?? You can make the argument what if Cory went for his gun, what if Cory had a gun?? Had a knife?? As a officer you don't know. What did you want the officer to do? Nothing?

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49ytown330(3 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

I'm going to post this again because it honestly just amazes me that people are STILL judging Cory based on the fact that he was at a bar and also the officer based on his family, or even just plain and simple that he is a Youngstown cop....

HELLO PEOPLE!? EVERYONE here is missing the most obvious fact... Cory is an 18 YEAR OLD, RECENT HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATE WHO WAS SERVED AN EXCESSIVE AMOUNT OF ALCOHOL AT A BAR!!! I do know Cory, and in his right mind I could never imagine him doing something like this. He is a typical, immature, young boy who drinks and WILL drink like a lot of the underage kids in the Valley - PAL JOEY'S AND MICKEYS ALLOW THIS!!!! Why are they always so packed?! They are following in the foot steps of the lovely Jay Jay's and they are banking off these young kids! There is a reason why the drinking age is 21, its because 18 yr olds are too immature to control their actions. Chance had every reason/right to protect his life and those around him and Cory should be held be responsible for his actions, but so should these bars who serve these UNDERAGE KIDS!!!

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50MVP(67 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Devilzadvocate:

You're arguing semantics. (no one is ever "put into a position to overreact"). For every action there is a REaction and if threatened, or if one senses they are in danger, adrenaline kicks in and heightens the reaction. The "suspect" initiated a confrontation and escalated it until the officer decided he had to use use his weapon to attempt to end it. Did he panic? did he over-react? Was he frightened for his life? We don't know which is why I say he MAY have over-reacted.

ytown330:

There may be some culpability on the part of the bar if they served Cory that night but quit trying to absolve the kid of all responsibility. No one forced him to go to the bar and no one poured beer down his throat and no one put him behind the wheel of his car. He made those bad choices and now he has to suffer the consequences in court. By your logic, no one is EVER responsible for a drunk driving arrest because hey, the bar shouldn't have served him ANY alcohol.

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51spartan17(5 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Honestly -Stan get a life.

I fully disagree with cory being at the bar, underage drinking, etc. and he should be punished for anything that he is proven to have done.

But do you listen to every piece of crap you read? If someone were to write that someone close to you were a thug and tried to kill someone, but you didnt know the facts would you be jumping on here and saying the same things about them? I highly doubt you would.

1. Have you talked to any witnesses, if so what did they say?
2. How did Cory get hit in the back if he was shot at through a side window?
3. How'd the officer get an accurate shot if he was being dragged?
4. How many times will the officer's story change?
5. Have you ever met his family? Because it seems to me like you know a whole heck of a lot about them the way your talking.

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52JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

"2. How did Cory get hit in the back if he was shot at through a side window?"

Try to follow: He was shot in the upper back. Cory was sitting in the car, the officer hanging on the side (above Cory). They were struggling, Cory could have been in a position where he was pulled forward, to the side, or both.

Do you believe this was an accurate shot?

If the officer fired his weapon while Cory was fleeing, the car's damage would reveal that, and witnesses could have easily seen the officer firing as the car drove away.

spartan17, to use your words, "have you talked to any witnesses"? At what angle did the bullet enter Cory's back?
Have you spoken to the officer, when did he change his story? The people on this forum, such as yourself, are the ones changing the story.

Use your head alittle before posting.

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53spartan17(5 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

JME
Why is it then that a Pal Joeys employee ( a witness ) spoke in corys favor, that infact the officer was never on the hood of the car?

Also why would the officers refuse to take witness statements after the fact? Yes this is true i have talked to several people and all said they would not take witness statements.

Listen to the initial call. The officer states cory "tried" to hit him, not that he was hit. So can i ask how the story changed from cory trying to hit hm, to cory actually hitting him?

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54spartan17(5 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

and when you say well how do you know what the pal joeys employee said if they didnt take witnesses, the employee talked to the family.

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55JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

I "tried" to go to work today, and I was successful.

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56JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Your right, the police surely won't interview any witnesses in it's investigation. You have talked to every person who was there - who are you, Monk. Did any of these people watch Chance open fire on Cory's car while he drove away, which is what you are implying? So much for your witnesses.

Where is this Pal Joeys employee who saw it all? How come he hasn't come out and at least talk to the Vindy?

Drop the police conspiracy theory.

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57JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

Definition:

Tried - past tense of "Try"

Try:

- to attempt to do or accomplish
- to make an attempt or effort; strive
- all mean to put forth an effort toward a specific end.

plus others

No where mentioned is "attempted and failed"

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58spartan17(5 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

whatever you say my man. just telling you what i know, and what people who were there have said.

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59Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

spartan17

"just telling you what i know, and what people who were there have said."

What? That Cory didn't do nothing wrong? That Cory is innocent? That the police are to blame what happened to Cory? Get real.

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60Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 2 months ago

spartan17 :
"Honestly -Stan get a life."

What do you suggest ? Should I keep my throat from drying out by medicating it with malt liquor and do some crack cocaine ? Taking on the law when I get stoned ?

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61strike(3 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

how do you people know cory's family give him alcohol???? quit assuming stuff and be realistic! All the bars around us serve underage kids!!! get that through your thick head!!!! So stop blaming the Timmings family and why dont you worry about the cop getting one story not multiple!:)

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62Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

strike :

Have you considered this possiblility ? That a stranger has been force feeding Cory booze against his will and he developed a taste for alcohol ? I doubt that this was his first experience with getting drunk .

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63JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

strike:

Stop blaming the bars for Cory ignoring a police officers order and fleeing.

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64justice4usnotinamerikkka(1 comment)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Most of you are just predjudiced simple and plain.There are more crooked cops in america than "actual "thugs.Read a book or something because your just too caught up on what you see on tv.With a name like "CHANCE" my assumptions should be just like all of yours,"dirty pig".But its not. GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT,lol dont make me laugh.America is a joke if they think thats what they actually abide by.Heres a tip for any of you tv watchin folk.Watch the HBO doc. "IF GOD is willing and the creek dont rise,that "should" give you an alternate perspective on life.If it doesn't then we know who the true "animals are.I just have to give myself 5 for this.lol

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65Robert_Neville(123 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

justice4usnotinamerikkka,

You will change your tone with this GOD thin,g if you were shot with a bullet from some person that doesn't thing about killing. I have been shot with a 7.62 on three different times, and I can tell you that GOD is for real. The last one was when I was in Iraq with the Infantry. When the blood is running and the pain starts, shock start almost as fast as the bullet that goes through you. Forget about the wrong that you done and hope and pray for one more day. After the four pint is gone it is fifty fifty. The police in America have no balls and they need this in order to keep the saying "to protect and to serve."

We need to give these Police Officers the right to shoot on the spot. That is the way we solved the problem with the Mafia and this is the way to solve the problem with the Youngstown area. When these thugs see their friends died in the streets they will stop. Trust me. let us not forget the Gang wars of the 60's and 70's in this area. Thank God the mafia is gone now!

Green is the new color Red

~Neville~

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66blkpride(186 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Justice,

What other TV programs do you base your political and social views on? The bugs bunny roadrunner hour?

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67blkpride(186 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Ok ytown330 if we are going blame the bars then let's also blame corey's parents for not teaching him that he can not drink if he is not 21 and for not teaching him to drink responsibly.

Here is something for you to gnaw on. When I was 17 I joined the military. I served my country at an age younger than poor little corey. I took responsibility for myself, my actions and didn't us society as a crutch when I made mistakes. So quite using corey's age to absolve him if his mistakes that night.

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68blkpride(186 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Justice,

Get your passport. I am taking up a collection to send you to a country that has a better judicial system than us. How about China, North Korea, Iran, Russia your pick.

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69Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

justice4usnotinamerikkka :
"Most of you are just predjudiced simple and plain.There are more crooked cops in america than "actual "thugs."

Did one of those cops happen to arrest you for breaking the law ? I know, I know , we should be more tolerant and then our jails wouldn't be so crowded .

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70Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

The word of the day is ricochet .

http://accurateshooter.net/Blog/ricoc...

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71parkerj(2 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Doesn't appear the cop did anything wrong, he felt his life was in danger, Cory was a dueshe bag, and what happened happened. But even the cop did do something wrong, his dad is the corrupt former Sheriff Phil Chance, YPD will protect him. What a great valley we live in.

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72JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

"But even the cop did do something wrong, his dad is the corrupt former Sheriff Phil Chance,"

The cop did something wrong by being the son of a convict? I don't think the younger Chance made that choice, or is able to change who his father is.

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73Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Pssssssttttttttt . . . ..

Hey Cory supporters . . . ..

Buy him a shirt . . . ..

http://www.zazzle.com/i_fought_the_la...

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74JJK123(1 comment)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

HERES WHAT I DONT GET WHY IS CHANCE WORRIED ABOUT LOUD MUSIC IN THE FIRST PLACE WHEN A FIGHT IS GOING ON. AND ANOTHER THOUGHT WHY ARE YOU REACHING IN SOMEONES CAR THAT JUST SPELLS DISASTER AND IF HE SHOT HIM IN THE BACK WHAT HAPPENED TO THE FLEEING FELON RULE?TENNESEE V GARDNER The justices held that deadly force "may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others."
.AS FOR TIMMINS YOU JUST LISTEN TO THE OFFICER AND NOTHING LIKE THIS WILL HAPPEN.AS FOR THE BOTH OF THEM I WSIH THEM A SPEEDY RECOVERY AND THE COURTS WILL DETERMINE THIS

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