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Driver shot by cop in struggle



Published: Sat, August 21, 2010 @ 12:08 a.m.

Officer reportedly was dragged by car

By JOHN W. GOODWIN JR.

jgoodwin@vindy.com

YOUNGSTOWN

A city police officer is not seriously injured, but an 18-year-old man remains hospitalized and an investigation is under way after an early morning shooting.

Cory R. Timmings, 18, of Youngstown, was rushed to St. Elizabeth Health Center at 2:36 a.m. Friday after he apparently was shot by a Youngstown officer in the parking lot of a bar in the 900 block of Midlothian. Timmings remained hospitalized late Friday evening.

Officer Phil Chance Jr., was taken to St. Elizabeth Boardman Health Center for injuries to his shoulder, arms, hip and knees after the altercation with Timmings.

Police Chief Jimmy Hughes said Chance was released from the hospital after being treated for minor injuries. Chance, he said, is on leave from the department while the shooting is investigated.

“We are doing a complete investigation on possible criminal charges on the driver of the car and Officer Chance’s use of appropriate force. We are investigating this matter in its entirety,” said Hughes.

Hughes said he has been in touch with Timmings’ family concerning the family’s feelings about the shooting.

According to police reports, Chance and another officer were trying to control a large crowd that had assembled to watch a fight outside a Midlothian Avenue bar. Chance, reports said, noticed a car in the parking lot with loud music and motioned for the driver to turn down the music.

Reports say the driver, instead of turning down the music, aimed the car at Chance. The driver reportedly struck Chance with the car, forcing him onto the hood of the car.

Chance tried to reach into the car and turn off the ignition, but the driver reportedly increased speed and the officer was dragged.

Chance reportedly pulled out his service weapon and fired one shot into the vehicle at the driver. The car then sped away, leaving the officer in the parking lot.

Chance, along with other officers from Youngstown and Boardman police, finally were able to pull the car over on Lake Park Drive. After making the car stop, it was determined that the driver had been wounded.


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11970mach1(1005 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

"Hughes said he has been in touch with Timmings’ family concerning the family’s feelings about the shooting."

Hmmmm. What feelings would those be? The officer should have known young Cory didn't do nuttin'? The officer should have let young Cory drag the officer to his death so as not to harm Cory's esteem? Young Cory is really a a good kid (who just by mistake and no fault of his own almost killed a cop)?

WHO CARES WHAT THE FAMILY'S "FEELINGS" ARE ABOUT THE SHOOTING?!?!?!?!

All anyone who is not a thug should care about is "Is the officer ok?"

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2bkvent(9 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

all this mess because someone didnt TONE it down

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3ChampionThrows(1 comment)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

I think this is total BS. Why Chance would fire his weapon at the driver is bad. He was having the music in his car too loud, then hurt an officer, aim for a tire not a person. We are not talking that the driver murdered someone. Don't get me wrong the driver should be punished but not by having a police officer shoot him!!

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4opddad(61 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Champion said "aim for a tire not a person. We are not talking that the driver murdered someone"
I'm guessing this whole thing went down in a matter of seconds. How many chances does a guy get to kill someone? Young Cory, already hit the officer, with his vehicle.I believe that's called a felony assault/ with a deadly weapon, (the vehicle). So you would try to shoot the tires? Let's see..you're on the hood of a moving vehicle, on your stomach,facing backwards, with you're head up against the windshield..never mind..it's not worth my time.
Maybe Officer Chance should've called Cory's family and ask them to tell Cory to stop the vehicle b4 he kills the Officer?

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5Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

"Hughes said he has been in touch with Timmings’ family concerning the family’s feelings about the shooting."

Unbelievable. There feelings about the SHOOTING??? Give me a break. What is a 18 year old doing in a bar parking lot at 2:36AM. Why the young fool couldn't just TURN down the music is beyond words. Just LISTEN and no problems. Especially with tensions high in a large gathering of animals.

<<....aimed the car at Chance. ....The driver reportedly struck Chance with the car, forcing him onto the hood of the car. ....the driver reportedly increased speed and the officer was dragged. ...The car then sped away, leaving the officer in the parking lot.>>

Yep FEEL bad for the young thug. He did nothing wrong. Pitiful!

"Chance reportedly pulled out his service weapon and fired one shot into the vehicle at the driver."

Seconds matter in a situation like this. If that was me I would've done the same thing, I would want to go home to my family instead of being another statistic in the hands of a young punk that can't LISTEN.

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6author50(1121 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Maybe the clueless Mayor and Council will petition the even more clueless State Highway Patrol to write more tickets to stop all this nonsense. After all, look at how crime has dropped all across Mahoning County because the State Highway Patrol is on every street writing tickets.

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7palbubba(664 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

It's about time. What gives these thugs the right to injure a law officer because they are so arrogant and defiant to have no respect for the law and others. Officer Chance should be investigated for receiving a commendation, nothing else.

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8karol207(42 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Oh BTW, young Corey had been drinking at pal Joe's.this kid is supposed to be a good kid, ok I could of possibly taken that in account until he tried to RUN OVER PJ!!!!!! Hello, who in their right mind tries to run over a police officer? Scared, stupid whatever the reason this kid shouldn't of done what he did n I believe That appropriate charges will be filled against him.

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9bad(23 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Does anyone even notice that the Highway Patrol only works the early hours to ticket the working person? What a joke! If the city was serious about stopping crime they would be on the night shift and spread out a little not a quarter mile apart in groups hunting for the right person that would give them the least amount of trouble. I have yet to read anything about an altercation involving OSHP trooper in the city with any thug, so whats the point in having them? They don't write under a city code, they right under the state code and losing money for the city.

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10Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

"Reports say the driver, instead of turning down the music, aimed the car at Chance. The driver reportedly struck Chance with the car, forcing him onto the hood of the car."

The audacity of this officer responding to being attacked with a car . Perhaps Police Chief Jimmy Hughes should outline the new policy of lying down and allowing the thug to feel good about running over a YPD Officer ? After all this is the new era and the Utopia of 2010 is in full swing . Crack dealers rule the streets and robberies are as normal as the potholes in town .

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11mrblue(989 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Let's face it, the kid was wrong and he will pay the price. You can't go after a police officer and expect to get away with it. Pal Joeys should be shut down for serving those who are underage. Young Cory needs to learn respect for the law---and that should have come from his parents.

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12casper77(136 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Thy guy is 18 and hanging out at a bar. Was he drinking? This is why Youngstown will never be a good city to live in, when you have Thugs running over Police officers and the Town People are crying the blues because one of their own got hurt because he didn't want to turn down his music. This kid is a Punk that will not respect anyone or any law. Bet this kid does not have a job and is living off his single parent mom. If this kid was riding down the road and decided to run over a policeman , for no reason, just because he doesn't like Cops ,the Town People will blame the cop for walking down the sidewalk.

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13woolyd(579 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Im not going to pass judgement on the officer or the defendant in this case yet. But how does Phil Chance Jr get a job as a cop? Wasnt his dad the former sheriff that was corrupt as all hell? Im not saying the son is the same but to even hire him as a law enforcement officer doesnt make any sense.

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14woolyd(579 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

I dont understand the need to worry about loud music when there is a fight going on in the parking lot worry about the fight. Overall the officer did what he had to do in a split second but with his name being what it is and the corruption with many police agencies people are going to doubt if what he did was right.

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15Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

"Wasnt his dad the former sheriff that was corrupt as all hell? "

Who cares who his father is ? Phil Chance Jr. is qualified to do the job and put his life on the line in the encounter at Pal Joeys . Far too many thugs are over running the city and standing up to the thugs is good police work ! I hope that Phil's injuries heal well .

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16Bec(7 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

People, please remember that there are three sides to every story. Cory has not even had the opportunity to tell his story and you are all judging him and calling him a thug. Cory is a thoughtful, caring individual and he would never intentionally hurt anyone this way. Please do not sit up on your high horses and pass judgment about things you know nothing about. I thought we lived in a country where people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Also, in case you don't know this part, officer Chance shot Cory in the back as he was driving away. This doesn't sound to me like someone who was fearing for his life and shooting in self defense. Wait until the investigation is complete and the whole story comes out before you so harshly judge another human being, one who is still in intensive care I might add. These comments only serve to hurt the loved ones of a young man who is fortunate to be alive after the reckless actions of someone who is supposed to protect him. Also, let's see what we can find out about this police officer. Has he done anything like this before?

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17Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Cory made a bad judgement call in confronting the officer and running him down . So he is a good boy ? Yea right ! We have a lot of good boys pillaging the city everyday .

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18leslie_p(1 comment)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

I personally know Cory. He is a very nice young man and would never hurt a fly. I understand he was drinking and driving and what he did by striking the officer with his car was wrong. But we all know for a fact that when you drink some people turn into the opposite of what they really are. And you mean to tell me when you were 18 you weren't out at a bar till 2:30am? You don't even know this young man. He graduated from Lowellville High School which shows that he is NOT a thug. If this was your child, how would you like it if he/she was being slaughtered with words on this website? He is not my child, but he is a very close friend of mine and his mother is a very nice lady. So don't go pointing fingers. Because like someone else said, there are three sides to every story.. The cops, Cory Timmings', and the truth. STAY STRONG CORY, WE ALL LOVE YOU!

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19woolyd(579 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Stan all i am saying is an officer hired with a past like his dad is only going to cause concern when he is involved in an incident like this. I mean would you hire Osama Bin Laden Jr. as Head of Homeland Security if hes qualified?

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20Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

All thugs have their supporters . No matter what they do the police are blamed . So he was just a young boy doing his thing ? Everyone does it ? Well here is a thought ! The thugs don't set the rules !

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21username5(5 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

In response to Bec: Hmmm Cory would never intentionally hurt anyone??? He purposefully aimed at the officer and hit him. Pretty sure being hit and drug across a parking lot doesn't feel to good. I don't know about you but I would after someone who hit me with their car (a weapon) and drug me and continued to speed up as I was dragged I'd fear for my life also! I know there is always three sides to a story however with an officer reaching into your car to try and turn your ignition off you wouldn't see him basically in your lap let alone before that on the hood of your car??? Come on!!! The officer did shoot him once, what was he supposed to do? Was he to allow him to just drive away and possibly hit more people. He did not care that he hit and drug an officer he's not going to care to run anyone else over. Cory may be a good kid however his decisions that night to drink, drive, and assault someone got himself in trouble and he'll have to suffer the consequences of his actions. Officer Chance was justified! You know everyone complains about crime in this area! Quit complaining and let the police do their job! If this community continues giving people a slap on their wrist for their actions, nothing will ever be fixed.

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22boots109(81 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

chance made a wrong move as an officer.a big rowdey crowd and he puts his attention on loud music. however being dragged is a wrong result of the stupid acions..could of chance let go of the car and just taken a fall? did shotting him help in his release from the car? allot of questions

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23username5(5 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

@ Buddydog: He didn't shoot him for loud music he shot him for using his car as a weapon, running from the police, and endangering everyone else in the way of that car. As for his fathers past... that's his father not him. Would you expect to be punished or classified for what you parent did. Doubt it?

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24woolyd(579 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

The problem at times is officers dont quellk situations they ignite them by their actions. Cops are not always in the wrong Stan. The problem is there are alot of corrupt cops in the area that are just as bad as the thugs they are supposed to protect society against so who really knows which cops to trust.

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25woolyd(579 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

You are right user that was his father but there is a possibility that the "apple doesnt fall to far from the tree".
Lets face it we all k now that if his name was ever involved in an incident like this people would be skeptical who was in the right.

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26disgustedjoker(46 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

I have to agree with one of the earlier posts. We have the state highway patrol all over the city. Do you mean to tell me that NOONE knows where the drug dealers are? Why arent they sitting on those streets watching the drug activity and making arrest after arrest? Maybe because these thugs have filtered money to the city leaders? Why are they pulling over working class white people for a seat belt violation or speeding ticket? That's not the underlying problem in the city. The problem is the drug dealers, the gangs and the thugs that refuse to get off their butts and work an honest day! The Youngstown Police Dept and the State Highway Patrol should really focus on those thugs that are killing the city.....

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27Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

For a long time in this city you were obligated to exit your residence during a home invasion . The thugs had the upper hand in their legal status . Then came the castle law . Is Phil obligated to let the thugs do their thing or is he obligated to make the city safe for the people ? He would be shirking his duty in allowing a drunken eighteen year old to main him with the car and drive off to try again at killing him or others ?

Corrupt cop ? Phil is a dedicated cop . It is the thug who tried killing him with the car that has a corrupt mind . Lets hope that he gets plenty of jail time when he leaves the hospital .

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28Bec(7 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

<<In response to Bec: Hmmm Cory would never intentionally hurt anyone??? He purposefully aimed at the officer and hit him.>>

Okay, listen carefully - Officer Chance "alleges" that Cory "pointed his car directly at him and tried to hit him." Remember, Chance has a lot to lose if he is found to be in the wrong. You are making judgments based upon assumptions. Were you there? Can you read minds? I sincerely doubt it. Also, Cory is not "all of a sudden" a good kid. Just speak with anyone who knows him (teachers, coaches, family, friends) and they will tell you that he has always been a good kid, one of the nicest I know. I will say it again - Cory Timmings would NEVER, EVER intentionally hurt anyone in the manner alleged. Why don't you try to imagine that judgmental eye turned on you and some of your actions, past and present, and think about how you might have been crucified for some of the stupid things that have happened in your life? There but for the grace of God go I...

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29copswife1109(2 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

I am the wife of officer Phil Chance Jr. Let me start off by saying"my husband got his job all by himself, he worked very hard to get where he is today". His fathers passed has nothing to do with him or what kind of cop he is. The only thing they have in common is, they were/are good cops. I have been with my husband for sixteen years, married for nine, he is a good person. He loves his job and does it to the best of his ability. Do you think he really wanted to have to shoot someone let alone a young kid. He is also a swat memebr and he has had plenty of chances to shoot someone on raids if he wanted to. he is not trigger happy. He chose to come home to me and our children, instead of lay down and let someone take his life. Some of you that are bashing him have no clue. He did not sghoot corey for loud music. He shot him because corey was dragging him and he was going to get sucked up under the car. That ishis job to protect and serve and he does it well, if corey would not have hit him, he would have hit someone else, he chose him instead. He is my hero, our kids hero, and should be thought of as youngstowns hero not because he shot someone because he puts his life on the line everyday. As a mother i can onlty imagine was corey's mother is going thru. In no way am i being insensitive to the family, but Corey was wrong, he was 18 out drinking, did not respect a police officers request to just turn down the music, instead he made a wrond, careless choice because he was drunck and we know for a fact he was, and now is paying the price. MY HUSBAND GOT IN AN ALTERCATION WITH COREY AFTER THE FIGHT WAS BROKE UP AT PAL JOEYS. tHEY WERE CLEARING PEOPLE OUT OF THE PARKING LOT. SO FOR YOU PEOPLE THAT SAY"HE IS WAS MORE CONCERNED WITH THE MUSIC THEN THE FIGHT, GET YOUR FACTS CORRECT".The fight was over. I listen to the scanner every night my husband is out, and i heard the whole call go out , and let me tell you people who think they know what their talking about, it is not a good feeling wondering on the edge of your seet if your husband is gouing to make it out of this situation and come home..... So please do not judge if you do not know all of the facts. ..

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30taliwacker(54 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

I applaud office Chance for his actions. He is a better man than I. I would have unloaded the whole magazine.
The only person I feel sorry for in this case, is officer Chance. He is now sitting at home, unable to work, because he did his job.
I just wish we had more officers like him. These tugs, and hoodlums want to run around here, like the laws do not apply to them. The act like the police are a bunch of jokes. If you want to live like cave men, go live in a museum. If you want to live and act like animals, go live in a zoo. If you want to live in civilization, act civil.
The only thing I fear, is id CNN gets a hold of this one, There will be another Beerfest with the President.

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31taliwacker(54 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Officer Chance, if you do not receive a commendation, come over my house, I got a few metals to spare.

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32Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

copswife1109 :

" He chose to come home to me and our children, instead of lay down and let someone take his life."

Many of us thank Phil ,YPD and their families for their dedication in keeping the city under control . Our prayers are with them that they do come home after their shift to their families . Those who don't appreciate our police officers are on the other side of the law . THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO !

IN MEMORY OF PAUL DURKIN and the others who gave their all to keep us safe .

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33Freeatlast(1991 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Timming was wrong period , The law says you must obey a orders of a police officer . Ytown has a radio law , he was braking it , he did not stop when officer Chance order him , he was braking the law again , He tried to run down the officer and kill him , again he broke the law.
Thank You Office Chance for doing a good job and I'm glad you are still with you family .Get back to work soon we need more officers like you

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34shutyourface(246 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

PJ is a good guy and POLICE OFFICER. He did what any officer would do to save his life stop the criminal. You know what.......... all you people who hate cops next time you go to call 911 deal with the problem yourself.

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35username5(5 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

@ Bec it's a fact that Cory hit him with the car. Read the police report on wkbn.com. I'm not doubting he's a good kid he just made some very bad decisions that night! I hope your friend recovers to his fullest but I hope he's punished appropriately as for he also has alot to lose from his actions. Were you there? I know people that were and they agree Cory hit the officer and yes they saw it with their own eyes. And people can judge me all they want cause I know I'm reponsible for my actions and would never do anything I could be crucified for!
@ copswife: There are alot of people who support what your husband HAD to do! He is a hero! He did his job and kept others safe! Thank you Officer Chance for keeping us safe we love you and continue to support you! And thank you to all the officers out there putting their lives on the line on a daily basis to keep us safe! You are loved and appreciated! God Bless and Stay safe!

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36antonunj(8 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

@disgustedjoker

Get your facts straight. The State Highway Patrol is just that; a HIGHWAY patrol. They are not a "state police" agency as found in other states with jurisdiction to take part in the tasks that you mention unless requested by another law enforcement agency. They pull over "working class people" such as yourself because you are breaking the law by speeding. As of 8/18/2010, the Highway Patrol has made 2,231 felony arrests as a result of effective traffic enforcement.

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37woolyd(579 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

COPSWIFE I wont dispute that maybe your husband is a good man and not a corrupt cop. I wont dispute that he was doing his job and may be a good family man. However you cant dispute there are enough crooked cops in the valley for us to be skeptical of him. That is part of the job. Lastly I will dispute with you that his father was a good cop c'mon honey lets be realistic about that. Also if your husband is a good cop please dont disrespect him by saying he fights crime like his father because we have proof he was crooked.

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38paulydel(1296 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

He should have put a bullet right in the punk. Its either kill or be killed.

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39Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

There are a lot of so called good feral kids in The Valley out of control . Anyone who supports them is also beyond the control of society . So perhaps we should not have police forces for them to clash with ?

Who in their right mind would tangle with a policeman ? They are there to keep things under control . Penalties for attacking them are severe . If he was bold enough to attack Phil with a car would anyone that he chose to attack inhibit him ? I doubt it . What redeaming qualities does Cory have that would force us to overlook his vehicular attack on Phil ?

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401970mach1(1005 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Let's have a poll:
Who would you rather have living next door to you, Cory Timmings or Phil Chance, Jr.?

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41LongArmODLaw(22 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Bec, you should be ashamed of yourself to make such an absurd statement, "Cory Timmings would NEVER, EVER intentionally hurt anyone in the manner alleged. Why don't you try to imagine that judgmental eye turned on you and some of your actions, past and present, and think about how you might have been crucified for some of the "STUPID THINGS" that have happened in your life?" PAY ATTENTION, HE TRIED TO MURDER A POLICEMAN; he not only hit him with the car, he then proceeded to drag him out of the parking lot! This is not a STUPID THING! It was a sensless vicious attack that could have cost that officer his life, and cannot be compared to oh who hasn't been out drinking when they were 18 or in a bar. How dare you make reference to this as a stupid thing he did as a kid, he was drinking so that makes it OK. If you are a relative or parent it is know wonder he turned out this way if this is how you dealt with his behavior in the past; You Yourself are not with out blame-ENABLER. Thank you Phil Chance for putting your life on the line to keep the decent people of Youngstown safe!

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42Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

http://www.facebook.com/people/Cory-T...

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43maxi(73 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Dear Mrs. Chance,
Thank you to your and your family for what you go through every night when your husband leaves for work. I'm also thankful we're all safer at night because of your husband and other police officers.
BuddyDog, you don't deserve a response to anything you say or post. In fact, I flagged your offensive comment. If you want to post, then attempt, if even possible for you, to make a valid point.
The young man involved in this and now hospitalized is responsible for his own demise. When he is recuperated, I would expect him to be charged and held accountable for his actions.
To all of you who were gathered outside the club to watch a fight...REALLY??? Sad when that's what your entertainment in life is. Senseless and downright stupid. Then one of you is injured, you come to the hospital for treatment, more than likely you are not insured, and you expect everyone else to make you well again.
Why don't you put all the energy to good work and go fight for our country. Wait, decent, honorable people fight for our country. You don't qualify.
To those of you who continue to condone this ongoing bad behavior, you are part of the problem. No wonder Youngstown continues to have a bad reputation.
Take care Officer Chance...and thanks again to all those who protect and serve.

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44RobertH(50 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Stan,

To your question: "Who in their right mind would tangle with a policeman ? "

That IS a question.

I have a somewhat cynical view of LEO and the Judicial System, at times I think their about useless, sort of. But I don't screw with the Cops if only because there is ONE of me and about ONE MILLION of them. One does not have to be a genius to realize the numbers are not on the side of Civilians.

Whats more, at one time the people in these forums would have considered me a punk, mayhaps even a thug (knowing how the people in these forums tend to be Right Wing and mentally lazy), but I was NEVER dumb enough to "attack" a LEO unless my weapon was an attorney.

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45amk858(3 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

First off my prayers are with everyone involved.. Someone commented that the officer should have shot the tires. In the position this officer was in that would have been a very stupid move. If he had missed he could have injured or killed an innocent bystander. I believe that what he did saved innocent people from being injured. What would the comments be if he had simply left go of the car and allowed it to drive uncontrollably out of the parking lot and that car seriously injured or killed someone in the way. I think then everyone would be bashing the police for not doing their job. He did what he was trained to do. Yes he severely injured a young man, but he possibly saved several other lives by his actions. No one had to be hurt but this young man made bad choices and thankfully he was the only casualty of his mistake.

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46loveland(1 comment)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Unless a person is an officer no one knows the job it is physical as well as mental. It is hard on the families on both sides the ones who commit the crimes as well as the ones who wait for the officers to return home. The issue is an officer made a decision while involved in an altercation that could have ended with not only himself losing him life but others. Cory made bad decisions but he will have to deal with the consequences of his actions. We as officers put our lives on the line by choice, it hurts, no one wants to die but we face that possibility daily. Respect our choices we do it willingly.
Family names are just that it is the common sense behind the badge that makes or breaks an officer.

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47taliwacker(54 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

the animal should have been put down, like a lame animal.
Bec, you are a sad excuse for a human being. How could you defend a man who tried to kill a person, who risks his life every day, just to make you safe? There is no excuse for this piece of turd. I would expect this type of behavior only from a wild animal such as a jungle cat. If you want to act like a uncivilized, animal, go live in the woods somewhere, were you can not harm others, who want to be, and live civilized. The key word, Civil.
Being drunk, or high for that matter, does not excuse anyone from doing these types of things. You as a Human being, have the mentality, to know what is right and wrong, and the ability to choose between them. Animals do not, they only know how to survive.
I live just blocks from where the incident took place. If officer Chance had not done what he did, not only to save his life, but the lives of others, and he hit someone from my family. You better have hoped the cops found him before me. I would make him and his car look like Swiss cheese. They would be identifying him through dental records.
People like you are the reason society is the way it is today. You make excuses for criminals, and blame the police. Cause no matter how much of a " nice guy" you think he is, he is now a criminal.
Like I said before, Officer Chance, come over to my house, I have a few metals from the military, that I have no need for no more. I would be more than proud, to pin them on the chest of a man, who saved lots of lives buy your actions.

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48Diebold2000(38 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

I don't care if this officer's name was Al Capone III, bottom line is this kid screwed up and is lucky to be alive. Hopefully if and when he recovers his parents aren't out bashing the police and will be able to explain that an officer is an officer and you MUST respect that position. I've raised three kids and yes there have been incidents far more serious then turn down the music that involved the police and at no time did they ever threaten or try to threaten an officer of the law. In fact I had to be restrained from going after my kid for making a bad decision.

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49maxi(73 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Off in so many directions today because of a popular last name! Sad. Can we stay focused on the event that occurred? I feel like I'm listening to a bad interview on Hard Ball gone awry.
A young man did a bad thing. An officer did his job. Young man now injured. Keep in mind, so was the officer. Young man has supporters making excuses for the "nice boy" (again, sad). Officer and his family are now verbally attacked (really??).
More reasons Youngstown cannot move on in a different direction.

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50Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Well , I see that Cory R. Timmings has his supporters . However, I am not one of them . For whatever reason and boozed to the gills he made a choice . So he should have been able to fullfill his desire when he rammed Phil with the car because of Phil's ancestry ? The last I checked ancestry has nothing to do with ones ability to respond when attacked or legal obligation to not respond . When reality sets in Cory will indeed find that there is a price for drunken out of control behavior .

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51xytown(63 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

OK I'll try to keep this short. Number 1 this matter has not been fully investigated yet so ALL the facts are not known at this point. That being said an outside law enforcement agency should be investigating this matter NOT the YPD (Is Chief Jimmy smart enough and professional enough to do this?).

Number 2 Phil Chances father has nothing to do with this matter he made mistakes and did his time. I worked with Phil Chance Sr. and he was a great person and great cop for many years.

Number 3 no matter what reason Officer Chance attempted to confront Cory Timmings, all he (Timmings) had to do was comply with a simple order from a Police Officer: STOP! Timmings actions resulted in this tragedy.

Number 4 those of you who question or second guess Chance's action need to realize what a difficult job a police officer has, until you put on the badge, ballistic vest and gun and push a beat car around Y-Town at 2:30 in the morning and make split second decisions that could cost you or another human being their life, you need to shut up and respect Officer Chance and his father for being dedicated Law Enforcement Officers willing to put their lives on the line for less then adequate pay. I don't know what happened that night because I was not there. However there were a number of "objective & unbiased witnesses" who I am sure did. Until the investigation is complete you need to respect the Chance Family and the Timmings family. Just reading a number of these responses makes me glad I retired and left the area.

Keep up the good work Officers! Your the only thing left in the City of Youngstown that can be counted on 24-7-365...

NUFF SAID!!!

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52HalfUnit(4 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

To Officer Chance Jr.'s wife: I am not sure if you will read this after all the horrible comments on the blogs, but just in case you do...I am a wife of a LE Officer just like you. I understand everything you stated above, especially the part about your husband coming home to you and your chlildren. It is something that every spouse of a LE Officer has to deal with and it stinks to no end. My only suggestion to you would be to turn off the scanner and trust that your husband has been trained appropriately and that he will do anything in his power to make it home to you. Recently I found out that approximately 7 years ago, my husband almost did not make it home to me and our unborn child. It was a shock to my system. The Dash Cam caught this altercation and those going through a police academy will watch it during training on traffic stops...and the message the instructors give is "Never Give Up." I am sure your husband is feeling that same thing my husband did on that midnight shift 7 years ago. I am sorry to hear of this incident and i wish him a full recovery and you the strength to help him through the menttal issues he may have for many years to come. Keep your head up and know that you have other LE wives to lean on when things get tough.

To those asking why the Highway Patrol is not covering the streets of Youngstown: Many times, City Police Departments ask for the Highway Patrol to stay out of their jurisdiction, as in a neighboring city not far from my home. Then there are some cities (like mine) that ask for the Highway Patrol to assist with issues in their city. No I am not professing to know what YPD has asked for, but i know that this was an incident within the City and if they needed assistance and a Highway Patrol Officer was free, they would have been there as fast as possible. But honestly, why bring up something that does not pertain to the issue at hand?

To those who hate LE and think that they are all corrupt: I am not arguing that there are corrupt officers, but there are corrupt individuals in each profession. Take a look around where you work and I am sure you will find at least one shady character that does not do things on the straight and narrow.

To the individual that has stated where this young man attended High School: Just because he graduated from a school like Lowellville, does not mean a thing. Was he there due to Open Enrollment? If so, sometimes it is hard to keep children away from what they see when they return home from school. I am not judging this boy at all, but I really don't think that saying he is from Lowellville makes him some sort of upstanding citizen.

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53usuallytoomuch(9 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

i dont know how many of u people were there when this happened, there was no fight being broken up the kid didnt hit anyone with his car, the officer was trying to impress young girls like he does every thursday night. he has a case of bully and he doesnt like being shown up. he shot the kid because he fell. this whole story is total bull. this kid is in the hospital because of arrogance

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54Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

usuallytoomuch :

Sounds like a bunch of bull that you conjured up . Your are doing a very poor job covering for Cory . Your slant is not believable at all . You could better serve him by throwing a booze party when he gets out of the hospital .

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55goincrackers(7 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Does anyone smell a lawsuit in the wind?

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56usuallytoomuch(9 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

stan, judging by your 4864 posts i see you do not have much better to do with your time other then argue in the vindicators website. obviously you were there during this incident and that is why you call my story "a bunch of bull". perhaps you had a better view then i did? either way, im not here to argue. i told you people what happened, and you are more then wlcome to not believe it. have a wonderful evening all!!

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57Rokscout(310 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Yes and witness accounts outside of bar altercations are historically inaccurate and tainted with anti-police bias. Kind of like when an officer shoots an armed thug in the inner city and more than half of the witnesses conveniently forget seeing a gun in the thug's hand and will swear he was unarmed. He could be 100% justified and plenty of people will still say he was wrong, despite having no clue about police work.

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58taliwacker(54 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

goingcrackers.
Lawsuit, what you think this guy is going to sue YPD, or even the officer in question? Yea that would be another dumb move on their part. You ever hear of a counter suit? If I was the Officer in question, and this moron thought of suing me, I would offer a counter suit,Cause after all moron timmings did hurt and wound him.

GTX 66 "wrote If the Brave Police Officer's last name was not Chance, this would not even have been in the paper". Yea now you are sounding dumber and dumber.
This is a small city, any type of gun action would headline the news, and I do believe the YPD is always under the close eye of this media. But yea, just cause the officer in question's name HAPPENS to be Chance, he maid the news. You should get your head 90's and also stop thinking the apple does not fall far from the tree. If that were the case, I would be a dead beat, alcoholic, drug bag, child beater like my father was.
Unlike you most people learn from their parents mistakes, and don't tend to do the things to their children, that they did not like being done to them. Unless you live in the wood with these other animals as well. It is more commonly known as Mental evolution, But I do not want to technical for you. I am trying not to surpass you great 6th grade mentality here.

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59goincrackers(7 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

taliwacker
I hear corys dad already hired an attorney
and he's looking for big bucks out of this mess. I think he should be lucky his son is still alive but the dollar signs are showing in his face.

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60username5(5 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

@ Goincrackers: I hope Cory's father did get him a attorney cause he's going to need it when he's found guilty of everything he's done. The only big bucks he'll be seeing is the money he has dish out to keep his "good kid" out of jail or bail him out!

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61goincrackers(7 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

username5.

LOL. thats not what their thinking. if they want to bring up fathers maybe corys dad needs to watch out hes know for years his little boy drinks and he thinks it fine now the drinking caught up to him he has the gall to sue the YPD. go figure.

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62LongArmODLaw(22 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

lets see here.. this cory kid is a "good" kid.. then why is he 18 years old at a bar... DRUNK and driving, and then HITS a police officer.... If he is stuggling it is because PJ did his job to keep him from killing someone who is completely innocent like that 14 year old killed by that drunk at the VFW. BTW... this Cory's cousin is the one who rear ended the officer in Austintown whos car blew up becuse she was drunk..... does this run in the family?????

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63maxi(73 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Censorship...you are an odd dog. Do us all a favor and leave for the Trib already.

Usuallytoomuch...so you think Stan has nothing better to do then post on the Vindy site? Looks like he's a well read man. Maybe you could learn a thing or two from him. I noticed you're a first time poster...my guess is that you don't read much. You just go clubbin.

So little Cory's daddy hired an attorney and wants some money...really now? DaddyO should be planning his son's punishment, not planning a lawsuit. If I were YPD and Officer Chance I would counter sue the hell out of them. This young man needs sentenced to several hundred hours of community service.

I'm gonna call my attorney, I'm gonna sue you, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that...oh the litigous culture of Youngstown, Ohio.

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64goincrackers(7 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

longarmodlaw.

that's right it runs in the family they let their kids drink and think nothing of it. they think its so funny they put a beer into cory's little brother's hand and laugh all night. Real funny huh? Cory thinks he can do what ever he wants and will get away with it because daddy raised him that way.

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65super1(3 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

First of all, my prays go out to Corey's mom.... she had nothing to do with what her son did. I am also the wife of a police officer. I know how PJs wife feels night after night because I live it. Sleepless nights wondering if he is ok, wishing he was there for soccer games instead of being called out because someone decieded to break in somewhere or beat their wife. As I sit here at my computer while my three children sleep, my husband is out on the streets protecting all of you from the drunk drivers in the city. I hate seeing anyone shot, whether it be the crook or the officer, but what we all have to rememeber is that PJ had to think fast and do what he thought was right, not only protect himself but also the other people out on the road at the time.
The next thing I want to say is HOW DARE all of you who comment on who his dad is. WHO CARES!!!! He is on YPD because he was smart enough to pass the city exam, strong enough to pass the physical test, and oh yea the voice stress test that is required of every officer. I am so sick of how people want to come down on the police just because they dont "like" them. Guess what, 99,9 % of the police officers I know in the mahoning valley are good, Honest, hard working men who love their jobs. Stop breaking the law and noone would have to worry about the "big bad cops" out there.

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66L0L(661 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Obviously this kid shows a pattern of not adhearing to the law. 18 year old drinking at a bar. Illegal. 18 year old gets into a vehicle to drive after drinking. Illegal. 18 year old plays stereo to loud. Illegal. 18 year old ignores commands to turn down radio. Illegal. Seems to me like all this kid had to do at the beginning of the night was not break the law and he would've been fine.

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67CPRIDEM10(40 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Hmm.. I personally believe the story of what happened with the cop is a little false. Any normal person would not aim their damn car at a cop. The cop tries to turn off ignition and falls to the grown..OH SO LET ME SHOOT SOMEONE! I think the media has this a little over exaggerated sorry to those who beg to differ. On to Corey, he acted so stupid.. when a cop tells you to do something you do it. In the end this was so preventable and is sad on both parts.. a boy is in the hospital and a cop is sitting at home not permitted to work.

& to those saying why is a 18 year old at a bar for? UHM because it is legal, are you kidding? Also saying pal joeys should be fined, why I am pretty sure it said nothing about him being drunk. I could guarantee you that every bar in this area serves under age every single week. Its not that hard to obtain a fake i.d which is sad to say.

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68CPRIDEM10(40 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

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69Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago


usuallytoomuch :

", judging by your 4864 posts i see you do not have much better to do with your time other then argue in the vindicators website."

Yes,yes , what was I thinking ? So you feel that it is a sad day in The Valley when an eighteen year old cant get drunk, tangle with a cop and not be criticized ?

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70Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

usuallytoomuch

Smoke another blunt.

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71usuallytoomuch(9 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

im not standing up for this cory kid, i dont know him and frankly, i couldnt care .less about him. im just telling you, the officer was never hit by the car, he jumped in the car (for no apparent reason other then his dislike for the kids music) and the kid drove, maybe, ten feet. the officer then fell, and shot the kid. take a look at the officer's illustrious career, he has done alot a questionable things, this one is really bad, is ashame youngstown is going to have to pay big bucks to this kids family because of a bonehead move on behalf of one of their "finest" once the truth comes out

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72Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

usuallytoomuch :

Big bucks in bills will haunt this boy and his family for years to come . Juries in Youngstown frown upon anyone clashing with a police officer at a bar . Cory instigated this clash and not the police .

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73Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

knowthefactsplease

"He was angry that Cory wouldn't turn down the music"

After your long babble, and your one sided babble, as is the case when this happens, bottom line is CORY is WRONG! Turn down the music and over and done with, he goes home, the officer goes home, and that's that. He didn't and the consequences of him not LISTENING results in this. Don't matter what the officer tells you do, you do it! Turn down the music, not to hard to do, get on the ground, not to hard to do, step out of the car, not to hard to do, etc. Why is that so hard to do?? What happened to being RESPONSIBLE for your OWN ACTIONS.
CORY is WRONG!

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74Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

justhefactsplease

"Thank goodness that is what juries are for, instead of people like you who have no information other than what your intellectually crippled brain is capable of processing."

So what your saying is he might not of heard the officer? A officer is at your car door for whatever reason and you don't stop or lower the music, that is the first thing to do to see what is going on? You see cops all around and you sit in a parking lot with your music blasting for whatever reason. Why not just drive away and go home or wherever? Common sense you know.
If I was being dragged in a car I would try to hold on to whatever I can, whether it's a neck or arm or steering wheel, like you said, its seconds that it happened, so as far as him grabbing his neck, all he had to do was stop? Do you really think he just said "Oh well, I'm going to grab this kids neck for the hell of it?" Get real! Again, not to difficult is it? And, do you really think that the Officer shot this punk for no other reason then in a life or death situation? These officers are trained and not no person off the street trigger happy. If that was the case don't you think officers would shoot everyone, no matter how minor the incident? Don't you think this Officer has a family to go home to? Do you really think he wanted to shoot this punk? Unreal. How many times do you hear of a officer shooting someone in Youngstown. Not to many times. If it could be avoided it is.
Yes, I can't wait to the case is tried and the guilty one is sentenced, and see if you respond to his charges on here.
As far as inconsiderate comments, what exactly are they? Once again, all this young punk had to do was listen or drive away before all this, especially being in a bar parking lot underage, and everything is avoided, Really not to difficult is it?
And as far as the other witnesses at the scene, of course your going to have stories, and like you people that stick up for this punk, are going to say one thing and the police another. Young adults in a bar parking lot at 2:38AM are going to blame the Officer because these young punks have no respect for the police or there elders and this incident just proves it once again.

As the norm on here, a young punk does no wrong. It's the Officers fault. It always is, isn't it?

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75ohdrama0901(53 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Honestly speaking, Youngstown and all its surrounding cities are screwed up and corrupt from the government to the dwellers. For one to point they're finger because of this or that need to check out those indictments that were just passed down on what? Okay like I said the whole city is full of mayhem along with the cities that surround it because the ones who work there do wrong within the city. There should not be no finger pointing by nobody because they're all in the wrong.

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76Rokscout(310 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Wow. That clears that up then.

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77Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Cory is right. The police are wrong. The police are doing a cover up and once again we move on. The police are always in the wrong and thats a shame.

Can't wait for the trail and to hear Corys side. Should be interesting.

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78Rokscout(310 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

That was a response to ohdrama, for the record. Not directed at knowthefacts. As for the story itself, I'd suggest anyone that is privy to facts stay away from discussing them on here. This could bite either side in a court room.

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79dontowrry(3 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

@knowthefactsplease....

Please know your facts. I was there the whole time and seen all the incidents that happened that night and saw everything Cory did. Officer Chance was walking from one side of the parking lot to the other side when Cory was attempting to leave the bar. Off. Chance asked him to stop, Cory did not stop and ran into Off. Chance. There are two handprints on the hood of his car and a scratch also on the hood from his knife on his gun belt. Off. Chance then walked to the side of the car and asked him to turn down the music. Cory did not listen, Off. Chance proceeded to reach into the car to turn it off, which Cory then sped up and dragged Off. Chance approx. 25 feet to the end of the parking lot. (Also there are scratches on the side of the car from his knife) The only reason Off. Chance had a chance to get back to his feet instead of gettin sucked under the car was because Cory stopped to look for traffic. Off. Chance got his footing back and drew his gun and once again instructed Cory to turn off his vechile. Cory once again sped up and attempted to leave the parking lot. Off. Chance had no other resort then to fire his weapon, when Cory took off like an idiot out of the parking lot. Please tell me to talk to the families attroney and I will tell them how stupid Cory really is and was that night. THESE ARE THE FACTS. Now you know them.

And stop trying to say Off. Chance is a corrupt/crooked up like his father! He''s nothing like him.

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80Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

gtx66

"Cory is not right- Lifes2short, he tried to kill Chance with his automobile. "

Oh I know, that was a tongue in cheek comment to the fools that think young adults DO NO WRONG and always put the BLAME on the police.

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81goincrackers(7 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

GTX66.

Are you drunk? I totally agree and thought I made it perfectly clear that the young man was at fault and that he should have stopped and none of this would have happened? When a police officer tells you to do something YOU DO IT!

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82CPRIDEM10(40 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

dontowrry, are you sure you were there or are you just a friend of the officer sticking up for him? hmmmm I wonder and fyi I was also present that night . Lifes 2 short get a damn life, 1230 comments wow..why dont you get a hobby try reading a book, go to the gym, do something productive with your self, you cant always believe the media. I am not a friend of Corey nor do I know Corey so please do not think I am just trying to stand up for the kid. Their both in the wrong.

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83Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

cpridem10

"Lifes 2 short get a damn life"

Dude, don't worry about me and my life. Just go on with your comments and life and quit worrying about other people and theres. Do you understand or do you want me to type real slow for you?

"you cant always believe the media."

Who is believing the media? Seems like all the so called witnesses and police report say he dragged the officer, he was told to turn down his loud music and because of his stupidity in NOT listening he got shot. What in the world has that have to do with the media? Dumb and clueless dude.

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84maxi(73 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

I'm not one for expressing sarcasm BUT "knowthefactsplease", will you please depart this website and head to the Trib with "censorship". The two of you were made for each other.
And also "knowthefactsplease", you are dumb as your step-nephew Cory. The fact that you claim to have attorneys, are divulging information on this website, and soliciting for information on this website is not the wisest thing to do.
As with most bad juveniles, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
See you in court with all your "attorneys".

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85dontowrry(3 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

@cpridem10

Okay glad you were there that. You were also probably one of the drunken idiots who saw what happened. And trust me I was there and saw everything that happen. In fact it all happened right in front of me. Literally right in front of me. And no I do not know Officer Chance.

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86goincrackers(7 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

GTX66.

I did not post that so take your 3 degrees and stick them where the sun don't shine. My Masters will match your 3 degrees which must be in stupidity. Taliwacker posted it. He was responding to what I said and later what you said. Read it again (79) and no name calling please.

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87Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

cpridem10

"LOOK AT ALL THOSE COMMENTS YOU POST ABOUT EVERYONE ELSES LIVES."

dude, where in the post did I comment about peoples lives? So clueless todays kids.

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88CPRIDEM10(40 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

LOL OH IDK LIFES2SHORT , every story on here is about somebodys life. But yes I am oh so clueless haha.

Truthfully I dont give a damn about this story. The truth will come out at trial. Its funny how people who have nothing to do with it get so worked up on these blogs. But my "dumb" / "clueless" child self starts college in the morning so goodnight to you. Keep the comments up maybe you could hit 2000 tonight? ehh possibly? goodluck maybe you can make this into a full time job!

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89username5(5 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Obviously it depended on where you were standing to be able to see what you saw. Someone on a different side of the car would have seen it differently from behind the car and so forth. Marks on a hood of a car and side of the car would be facts. Hear say from a text would not. I agree if the police ask you to do something you do it! Period end of story! He should have listened, he shouldn't have drove away dragging someone. Police shouldn't be being second guessed. People these days are sue happy. Ridiculous! You do the crime you pay the price. It's no wonder crime is the way it is in this area! There are too many cry babies who do the crime and find other people to blame for their wrong or try to find a loophole out!Criminals should have NO RIGHTS! You give up your rights when you chose to break the law.

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90Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

cpridem10

"Truthfully I dont give a damn about this story."

Then why bother to comment?

"Keep the comments up maybe you could hit 2000 tonight?"

Does that really seriously bother you?

"But my "dumb" / "clueless" child self starts college in the morning so goodnight to you."

Well good luck in college, hope all goes well in your further education. Its up to you how far you can go in life.

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91VINDYAK(1799 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

I read that a cop up in Ashtabula was shot last nite by his own handgun, as he was struggling with 2 men caught in the act of commiting a crime. This shows us a cop's job is a dangerous one and he needs to make very quick decisions if he wants to stay alive. Hesitation could mean big trouble. It could very well be that young Mr. Cory is a lucky man to be alive and Officer Chance even luckier that Cory did not shake Officer Chance off his car and run him over. Officer Chance had no other recource than to shoot Cory. I would have done the same. Society can afford to lose stupid people like Cory, society cannot afford to lose cops like Chance.

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92dontowrry(3 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

To the best of my knowledge the bar has the cops there in case of stupid acts like this. And the cop working there is never on duty it is a side job.

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9344509resident(46 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Shocked to see no one brought up race considering the suspect wasnt black this time, but some are still labeling him as a thug. First off, he wasnt 21 and was drinking. Is Pal Joey gonna get some type of fine for serving to minors? Jitsos was closed down for serving to minors. And the comment" he wasnt a thug because he went to Lowelville" WHAT TYPE OF CRAP IS THIS? There are thugs at Youngstown city schools, boardman, liberty, austintown, canfield, poland, and so forth. Some of you need to get your head out the crack of your butts. Who cares who his father WAS that doesnt make him. My father is a douchebag but that doesnt mean I am. I would of shot at him too. Someone runs you over and you try to aim at a tire? GTFOOH

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94heinz(1 comment)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Someone please define the term "thug" to me. If anything the police officer was downright unprepared and unskilled. He does not know how to handle situations and deserves to be put out of the job. Cops are supposed to make us feel safe. There's a huge crowd dispersing after a fight and the cop is worried about loud music? There have been reports made on this cop before for having misused his weapon, and he has shot and killed two animals, and his father is a crook. im interested to see the results of the investigation and hear more facts because i dont think we have gotten corys side of the story and all of the facts that keep showing up keep changing, along with chances story. something is not right here. anyone of corys family memebers, i am sorry that this happened to you, and i hope you guys receive your justice and this scumbag cop is put in jail.

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95maxi(73 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Oh yea...Buddydog is back. I'd like to send you packing to the Trib too.

My guess is that you Buddydog have had you own personal past issues with Officer Chance and it didn't go your way. For whatever reason, you want him to hang.

Go away already.

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96alove(11 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Okay, I've sat back and said nothing as I've read the ignorant posts back and forth. Yes I am a friend of Cory, but am not afraid to admit he may have made a wrong decision. I attended school with him when we were younger and as we grew older we went to different schools. As we both grew up I still continued to hear of how wonderful of a man he was becoming. It makes me sick to my stomach to hear anybody call this young man a "thug". I personally do not believe that an eighteen year old white male who was a good student his whole life and an athletic person could be called a "thug". I could understand if maybe Cory was a drug dealer or roamed the streets of Youngstown at night but in no way shape or form is this man a thug. I attend pal joeys frequently and am 18 and served . I really don't believe the cops are too worried about the drinking and driving aspect of it all as I see officers slap wristbands on under age kids and then watch them drive out of the parking lot. So yes, Youngstown does have its share of "dirty cops". So us underage people drinking, have the Youngstown Police Department to thank. I received multiple e-mails from a member of the YPD on friday after the incident telling me what happened by my request since I did not make it out there on Thursday night. In all of his e-mails stating what happened not once did he mention Cory running over Officer Chance. So it very easily could be a cover up to save the officer with a bad past. In previous weeks I'm sure you never heard of the police officer whom used his pepper spray against a young man during an altercation, but you never saw him pull out a gun did you? No, because he's actually a good police officer. I bet Officer Chance would have pulled out his gun. Maybe all of you Bias users should see that maybe Officer Chance is a little trigger happy. As a student going into college to be an investigator my first decision was to get out of Youngstown to learn and be trained because growing up around the system i know how corrupt it is. So maybe all of you users who think its cool to go off of an opinion by the retarded media who change their story every five seconds, like Officer Chance, should see all sides of the story.

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97Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Lets look at the facts . Cory confronts cop and gets shot . Let's hold the scene at that instant . The cop was supposed to be tolerant and not respond . Now if the cop was killed Cory's confrontation would have been a success . Cory's getting shot turned this confrontation into a disaster for him and his family . Now the family wants to sue . Winning a lawsuit could turn this disaster into a success story . The problem here is that they don't have the funds neccessary for a long drawn out legal fight . Any attorney taking this case would have an exercise in futility unless he or she was paid on a regular basis . The chance for a payday would be many times greater going to Thistle Downs and betting on the longshots at the track .

Cory lost when he placed his future in the grip of alcohol .

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98alove(11 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

What moron honestly puts a person in a head lock and then tries to turn off his car from outside the vehicle... really? Did the moron police officer actually expect the car to stop immediately, if you stick yourself in somebody's car expect to be drug a few feet. I can honestly say me being a woman i would not feel my life was in danger if I was drug ten feet (the actual distance) maybe the officer should be a man and not such a wimp. Every action has it's consequences right? Pulling the trigger of his gun? Not at all necessary, i promise. IF you want to speak about facts... lets see what the media has said. police report says he aimed at the officer with his car not that he ran him over? or wait first there was no passenger then there was? or maybe there was the description of two different vehicles? or wait then as the days went on the number of injuries Chance had started to increase? Really people, are you the freaking stupid.

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99JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

alove, you are such a hypocrite.

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100Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

alove :

"Really people, are you the freaking stupid."

Would it make me smarter if I threw a booze party for Cory when he gets out of the hospital and helped him cry in the beer ?

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101maxi(73 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

alove:

Please join the ranks of censorship, justthefactsplease, and buddydog and go away already.

alove...also, please take time to grow up before posting your pointless words.

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102alove(11 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Did I say that Stan? No I did not think so. So do not try and put words in my mouth. I just do not understand how people plan on believing the media who changes its story every five seconds. And JME yeah such a hypocrite that's what I am because you really know me. Did I not say Cor made a bad decision? I believe I did if you could read. Cory should have listened to the officer, but guess what he didn't ... and does that deserve being shot and could've been potentially killed? NO WAY JOSE! He was put in intensive care and could have lost his life... I'm pretty sure almost losing your life is enough of a punishment. I'm positive the kid has learned his lesson, and I'm positive he's not the only kid whose ever not listened to a police officer the first time. But I'm also positive that does not give the officer the reason to pull the trigger.

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103alove(11 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

maxi:

thank you for proving a point that all of you are bias. You probably would go call me a thug too because i'm young and from the Youngstown Boardman area. I believe I'm legally an adult and I live in America soo im pretty sure im allowed to have my own opinion. OH NO! I do not share the same opinion of all of you... so that means i should grow up? REALLY NOW? Maybe it's all of you that need to go back and re learn that there's more than one side to each story. Maybe you should do your research before making rude, IGNORANT, statements.

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104JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

alove,

What I did read was the fact that you did not appreciate people calling "Cor" a thug, but you preceded to call Officer Chance a "moron", you stupid b*%#^

You speak of everyone posting bias comments, and you are doing the exact same thing - that is what is referred to as a hypocrite.

You seem to have quite a bit of theories yourself.

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105JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

"no way jose" ?

Your not really helping "Cor" as a character witness.

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106alove(11 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Am I really a stupid "B8%#^" ? I highly doubt that one, but you're pretty good at judging people without knowing them at all. Fact is Cory is not a thug. A thug is actually defined as a vicious ruffian, robber, or murderer... IM PRETTY SURE IF YOU KNEW CORY AT ALL YOU'D KNOW THAT THATS NOT CORY TIMMINGS! If you look up Officer Phil Chance Jr. I'm pretty sure you could find a few negative things against him. And my "theories" yeah you know the ones that I got from a YPD member.. who I currently have e-mail's from stating the whole story.. I would not open my mouth if I didn't have information to back it up. OH WAIT IM 18, that means I'm stupid i guess? chances are... I will probably make it farther in life than most of you who do nothing but sit on vindy.com and make posts constantly.

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107alove(11 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

yupp your right calling my friend by an abbreviated name and saying no way jose really shows that i have such a bad character, yup you're smart!

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108JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

alove,
When you pick up a couple of college degrees, come talk to me.

I don't have to know you to judge you, just re-read your posts.

By the way, nobody believes that you have the inside scoop. Your little YPD friend would be reading the same police report.

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109JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Mikeymike sums it up pretty good:

"@alove you really sound very immature,you need to grow up.Way jose!"

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110Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

alove :
"Did I say that Stan? No I did not think so."

POST 135
"Really people, are you the freaking stupid."

Look at the bottom of your post .

Now, would it make me smarter if I threw a booze party for Cory when he gets out of the hospital and helped him cry in the beer ?

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111JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

alove,

Your the one that is unable to read. Who said you had bad character?
I believe the majority here says your immature, un-intelligent, and your not helping "Cor"
"YUPP"

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112Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

alove

"Really people, are you the freaking stupid."

Yes you did say that. Read once again what you wrote and look at the last sentence on #135. Another clueless one.

Also alove, just don't listen to the media, read the police report, it says it all.

http://www.wkbn.com/media/lib/129/1/e...

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113erbeil(5 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

They should give Chance a medal. He should be on a paid vacation not leave. Actually there should be an investigation!...An investigation on why Chance didn't put a bullet right in the center of that punk's forehead.

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114Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

alove

Main Entry: thug
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: hoodlum
Synonyms: assassin, bandit, bully, criminal, delinquent, gang member, gangster, goon, gorilla, gunman, hired killer, hood, hooligan, killer, mobster, murderer, professional killer, punk, rioter, rowdy, ruffian, troublemaker

Cory could be one of the following: bully, punk, rowdy and troublemaker.

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115maxi(73 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Dear alove,

Me, bias? No. A wise seasoned adult exploding with objectivity, YES.

Before you know it you'll be having children of your own. I hope that you teach them well. And I do mean that. Right now I'm not hopeful. I'm not hopeful for Cory either. It troubles me that this goes on in our youth. Whether or not you want to believe it, 18 is still young. You have so much to learn.

I hope Cory rights his path. I hope you never go down his current path. Believe it or not I want you and all the Corys of the world to get it together. Believe it or not, you DON'T have it together. That's concerning to me.

I have a child not too much older than you. I'm proud of my child. However,if my child would have done what Cory did, we would be holding our child accountable. My parents were the same way. You mouthed off to no one. And certainly not a police officer! When I was 17 I got pulled over for speeding. When I told my dad the first thing he wanted to know was if I was respectful to the officer.

I'll give you this. In this world I'm sure they are a very small percentage of bad police officers. Thankfully the majority of them are doing their jobs keeping me and you safe.

alove, I'm not throwing stones on this website for fun. I'm sick and tired of the senseless acts of crime and bad behavior in this area. Please stop making excuses for bad behavior and instead be a blessing, be an positive influence.

So I ask you alove, how can YOU make a difference so this is a better place to raise your future family?

I'll watch for your response.

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116JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Life, don't be too hard on alove, she can be drug 10 feet by a car and not feel endangered, plus she's going to go further in life than all of us

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117disgustedjoker(46 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

these posts are horrible. Here's a kid, fighting for his life over loud music in YOUNGSTOWN!!! Are you kidding me??? We're talking about YOUNGSTOWN OH aka crime city USA!! Gangs shoot at innocent people, drug dealers terrorize the streets and a child gets shot over loud freakin music??? Come on! I can remember an 85 year old innocent lady getting murdered coming out of church in this beautiful city and the cops shoot at a kid over LOUD music.. Let the kid leave, write down the license plate and throw the book at him. Furthermore, use your mace or tazer gun if you're in "fear of your life"!!! DONT SHOOT the kid at close range! I am totally appauled at these actions. I dont know the kid but I just can not imagine having to shoot a person because they failed to obey the order of a police officer over loud music! That's almost comical!!! I certainly hope there's more to the story for the police officers sake because these actions do not merit gunfire on the officers part....

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118alove(11 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

All i'm saying is yes cory was wrong, but also so was the cop. I do see both sides of the story but I cant help but see a few lies and cracks in the story of the cop. I have a few friends that were taken in for statements and told the police what they saw. Not one of them was a friend of Cory. None of them saw the police officer actually be hit (Could have been their location), yes they saw him dragged a few feet but never up on the car. I'm completely aware that it is never alright to be disrespectful to a police officer, that is how my family raised me. I do have a member of my family that is a part of the Howland police department and I was very uneasy and went to him about the situation. He explained that the officer was probably in a panic, which he should have been, but they are taught other ways than to pull the trigger, but most likely he will not be in trouble for pulling the trigger. I may have most of my feelings because i personally know Cory but I assure you would feel the same as me. Yes i'm very disappointed in the whole situation, and I hope that everybody learned from it. Yes, I probably should not have called the officer a moron but honestly i just feel very uneasy about him, i'm not so sure why. For people to say he should have been killed, that is way too harsh... that's honestly like me saying the officer should have been killed(which i would never), but you get the point. I don't appreciate being told that I'm immature and need to grow up when you clearly don't know me and the fact that i'm a hard worker and also a very bright young woman, but this has nothing to do about me so I just feel like that should all be dropped. I believe that Cory has learned his lesson and will continue to learn. He's young and has a bright future ahead of him just like the rest of us his age. I feel that you guys should probably think twice before using ignorant words about people that you do not actually know. And even though you say i'm immature, i know when to stop and look at the big picture and who i should and should not judge. So maybe you guys should take a step back think all of this over again. Hopefully when fully investigated people will be able to see all sides of the incident. Even though i frequently visit Pal Joeys that doesn't make me a dirtball douchebag or a whore, It's where we can hang out with our friends of all ages because I'm pretty sure my 21 year old friends can not get into a teen club. The fact that most of the underage drinking has to do with cops slapping wristbands on underage kids because they like them is wrong. Personally I agree with you leetorres, Pal Joeys probably should be closed down. But honestly it's sad to say if the cops are the one helping underage kids drink, nothing major's going to happen. Maybe Mayor Jay should start looking elsewhere then downtown, Youngstown really needs to crack down.

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119Bec(7 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Well said, alove, and not immature in any way. As a matter of fact, your comments show so much more maturity than so many who have posted on this board. Kudos to you. Let's just hope and pray that the true story is brought to light. Thank you!

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120leftyompton4life(79 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Ive never been one to defend the YPD....but in this case I will make an acception. If I told someone to do something as simple as turning down the radio,and then they intend to run me down with their car,then yes I would shoot at them. Im just thankful Chance didnt get dragged under a tire or tires,didnt get shot at,and shot the guy correctly that it ended without 2 deaths....

I agree with LeeTorres above me...when a cop asks you to do something,you abide by it,listen,and do what you are told, wether you think he is right or wrong....

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121JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

alove, a better worded post.

Bec, you apparantly failed to read the other posts.

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122Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

disgustedjoker

"Here's a kid, fighting for his life over loud music in YOUNGSTOWN!!! "

Dude, it's not just Youngstown, read the news everyday.
Matter of fact this officer got KILLED in Twinsburg, OH

Miktarian, 33, pulled Thompson over July 13 for loud music. He radioed for back up and shots rang out. Fellow officers found him dead, shot multiple times in the head.
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/...

Dude,
Read the police report, it was NOT over loud music he was shot. If your going to post, make some sense.
http://www.wkbn.com/media/lib/129/1/e...

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123alove(11 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

lombardo, im not really sure where you're from in the area but i've grown up living at most ten minutes away from pal joeys whether it be off of midlothian or south avenue, it really isn't as dangerous and terrible as you make it seem i live in a very relaxed neighborhood where it is peaceful i'm a young woman and I am not afraid to walk around my house. Its sad to see that youngstown is going down hill and maybe instead of complaining about it you should do something about . maybe we shouldnt blame the mayor... it is OUR city too. Really looks like we're all real easy to pass the blame on somebody else. And no I say that cory is not a thug because he actually is a good kid, he just made a mistake, we all do nobody's perfect. I should have never even brought up the fact that he's white, race is such a terrible thing to base it on. I say Cory is not a thug simply because he's always kept out of trouble, he's not usually a trouble maker he made one mistake and everybody in society is on his back. What if every time you did something wrong everybody jumped on your back? ya maybe his mistake was big but he did pay a price already a fear that he wouldn't make it alive, I highly doubt every one of you have ever felt that. Because his one mistake his WHOLE life is going to be effected, could you imagine a permanent mark on your life at the age of 18. I know that its a consequence for his actions but really it will follow him forever, it will ALWAYS be in the back of his head, because he IS a very good person. all in all he does have a lot of support this will be a hard time for him but he's a strong young man mentally and physically and i believe he can get through it all and even if he is wrong to a certain extent, he should be kept in peoples prayers because like the police officer he too needs support in dealing with the rest of his life.

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124Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

alove

"he's not usually a trouble maker he made one mistake and everybody in society is on his back."

If you read all my other posts, you will see how I have a issue with young adults in todays society. As you stated, "he made one mistake", that one mistake could have got him killed or innocent bystanders killed. This is just another example of a young adult who thinks hes above the law. When will the young generation see what is happening, and instead of blaming the cops or others, look in the mirror. There are way to many young kids getting killed over such useless reasons. When one of your friends dies isn't that a wake up call for others?
All over the country not just in Youngstown, young adults are getting killed at a alarming rate and it has to stop. This is a example for all the ones that were there that night to wakeup and realize you are not invincible and above the law. Quit blaming the police and quit blaming others. Read the news and see every time a young adult kills or gets killed or arrested the first comments are "He is a good kid, He would never do that, etc...it's the same old thing. You can copy and paste it and just switch names. The kids today just don't have no respect at all and it's only getting worse. It really needs to stop.
Your young, what is your take on the young generation of today?

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125maxi(73 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

alove:

You got my attention on your last two posts. Now that's why I'm talking about. Well worded.

And now we wait for due process to be served. Perhaps it will come out as you described...or not. And then we move on in what I hope is a much more positive direction for everyone and the city of Youngstown.

I agree with you about the area where you live. It's not a bad area. I have relatives who live close by. It's very safe.

Do the right thing in all that you do and influence others to do the same. It's that simple.

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126alove(11 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

My generation, makes me sick.. well a majority of it. I remember being so naive the first days of high school and my first high school party seeing people drinking and doing drugs.. i just always thought it was something that happened elsewhere, not to people i know and look up to. It honestly kills me too look back at the friends i had in middle school to only see them in jail, have a bad record, drug addicts, alcoholics, drug dealers, and sad to say dead. It's sad when you're just eighteen years old and have had to witness your friends die because of things such as drugs and alcohol. It's sad to see people who used to be your friends walk into school with a baby or a baby bump on their stomach. It's sad to say that if my generation doesn't shape up we wont be one to be positively remembered. I've always tried to fall out of the negative characters and into the better ones. Sure i'm underage and drink, but i've learned my lesson through others not to drive. Fortunately drugs never came around me too much i've had my scares with them also. I sometimes see where i think im invisible and the world can't stop me after i look back at situations. But everybody thinks like that when we're wrong. I hate the negative aspects of my generation but I also believe that we are going to be one to remember and I hope in a positive way. I just think that some people really need to realize what they have, fortunately I do. Others dont have it so easy and use that as an excuse. And in no way have I ever had it easy i've fought for what i've become and all that I have, I just wish the people in my generation didn't have mommy and daddy hand them everything and try and protect them from anybody and everybody. Parents need to let their kids out into the real world and only HELP them deal with their problems not take care of them.

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127disgustedjoker(46 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

lifes2short....1243 comments!!!! Seriously??? Instead of making your biased, one sided comments on a forum and hiding behind the computer... Go out and change the world because you seem to be perfect. You spend your days posting on the vindy.com and seem to have answers for all issues in the community. Spend your energy where it matters because reading your ridiculous remarks is getting old! You're basing your remarks on a police report who was created by who??? The POLICE.. So just settle down, let due process happen and see where the facts take us. But to sit here and slam every article and pretend you and your family are perfect is hilarious! We have bigger problems in the community and really should focus on them, not loud music. Simple as that. Good night!

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128Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

alove

"but I also believe that we are going to be one to remember and I hope in a positive way. I just think that some people really need to realize what they have, fortunately I do."

The whole comment was very well said. You seem to have a good head and positive outlook. Keep it up.

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129alove(11 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

I just wish people would look into things more. I wish that they would see all sides of the story before coming to such a negative conclusion, its really not fair, people need to be a little more optimistic .

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130Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

disgustedjoker

See what I'm talking about "alove" another clueless young person that don't understand what he reads. He has comments that are irrelevant to the article/situation. Typical response of what I was trying to say. Sad, very sad.

"Instead of making your biased, one sided comments on a forum and hiding behind the computer... Go out and change the world because you seem to be perfect."

No one is perfect but God. I'm not bias and I'm not one sided dude, if your talking about this incident, Corey was wrong. Period. As far as changing the world, I try, read my other comments (other then this incident) about what I do. Then babble on with your remarks.

"Spend your energy where it matters because reading your ridiculous remarks is getting old!"

No one is pulling your arm to read it. Skip over them.

"You spend your days posting on the vindy.com and seem to have answers for all issues in the community. "

Actually well I'm posting, I'm making good money, so not sure why that bothers you when I post. Never said I had answers but wish I did.

"But to sit here and slam every article and pretend you and your family are perfect is hilarious! "

And exactly what articles am I slamming? Confused on what your saying. And where did I say I was and my family perfect? You need to comprehend what you read and not make comments that were never said.

"We have bigger problems in the community and really should focus on them, not loud music."

This incident is not about loud music. Once again, try to understand what you read. You'll get very far in life if you make sense when you speak.

Good Night.

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131L0L(661 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

"I just wish people would look into things more. I wish that they would see all sides of the story before coming to such a negative conclusion, its really not fair, people need to be a little more optimistic"

I wish Cory would've took your advice that night. None of this wouldve taken place had he just listen to what he was ordered to do by a police officer. Stupid mistake? Maybe. Bad decision? Definitely. One that we can just say "oh he made a mistake"? Absolutely not. He put a lot of peoples lives in danger that night by his "stupid mistake". His own, the officers, bystanders. The police are there for a reason and to the poster that said why did the cop care about "just loud music", because its against the law. If the cop stands there and lets it continue to happen others will see they can do whatever. Then others will see tehy can do whatever. Oh its just someone peeing in the parking lot, oh its just someone drinking a beer after the bar closes in the parking lot, oh its just someone drinking and driving. Once one thing becomes acceptable the more others become acceptable.

The officer issued an order, it shouldve been followed.

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132FifthAve(168 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Pulling a gun because of a music violation.??????.....OVERKILL!!!!

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133JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

FifthAve,

Read the report before making such a stupid comment.

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134pens(20 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Obviously FifthAve just skimmed it..LOL

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135pens(20 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

I'm sorry to offend..BUT.. Cory may have been the model citizen up to that point. BUT he made a mistake that can have been avoided all together.

1) Turn the radio down when asked by the Police!
2) STOP.. after you've been told "You are under arrest!"
3) STOP after the officer is trying to turn of your ignition.
4) Or worst case..STOP after you've been shot!!!

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136walter_sobchak(1914 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

alove,

You stated it very well. A good portion of your generation should make you sick. Unfortunately, a good portion of my generation that is responsible for bringing you into the world is to blame and makes me sick. We set a bad example living our lives without guardrails. Then there are the helicopter parents that hover over their kids waiting to swoop down on our kids the minute they get in trouble and make excuses for them. Life is all about choices... good or bad. Whatever you choose, you will have to live with the consequences of your actions. Unfortunately, the folly of youth doesn't allow you to learn that early enough.

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137leftyompton4life(79 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

I was only a teenager 7 short years ago so I can relate to "some" posts. I never thought I would end up drinking alcohol on my weekends,never came across my mind at all.Its not that I was naive,just never that interested. Then I became friends with people my freshman/sophmore year that loved to drink. And of course I was apprehensive at first and they never pressured me to drink,but I did it,and sort of liked it...but I/we knew our boundaries. We partied at the same house week after week but all agreed that if you drink,you stay here,no driving,and for 4-5 years everyone accepted that rule and no one did anything stupid....

Case and point....we knew our limits....we knew what we could get away with and we knew what to expect if we broke any of those rules...I am happy to say I am still best friends with all those people. Some are married,a few have kids,all are employed and living a good life....I just look back now at the age of 26 and think to myself "We are damn lucky no one did anything too stupid."

And its not always easy to think before you act...there are many times dumb Sh%T came out of my mouth to friends,girlfriends,etc that I regret....but I always did respect my authority...parents,older brother,my boss,teachers,etc...

Case and point.....know where the limits lie and don't cross them...if you commit a crime in 2010 more then likely you are going to get caught sooner rather then later,don't put others lives at stake,and please please please stay away from my moms house on the west side of Youngstown,lol.

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138johnyoung330(1 comment)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

After reading this artical and all the comments i have come to the conclusion that youngstown is still a racist town. With the facts of the story not totally being provided it seems that people have jumped to conclusions on this matter. With the fact that Cory is a young black male he is labeled as a thug, and since Phil Chance Jr is a police officer he is right for his actions. This story does not provide the facts of the altercation and it seems as if there is alot being left out.

First off why is the name of the bar not being provided? With an altercation of this maginatude dont you think the bar should be held responsible. No one goes on to mention anything about the bar and the no one points the finger at "Pal Joey's" for not being unable to control a crowd and also the UNDERAGE DRINKING but all other urban bar establishments are thrown under the bus when something like this would happen.

Just saying, more need to be done about the city in general and just because of race doesnt mean that someone is right or wrong and establishments need to be held at equal standards not the so called "white" club getting more leaway than others bars or clubs

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139MVP(67 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Ummmm, dude....Cory is white. lol

This post proves that most people skim over the content of an article picking out some tidbit that may "prove" their point. I suggest you read the entire article and all of the comments before trying to turn this into a race issue. I understand that "thug" has some racial overtones but there are plenty of white and hispanic troublemakers who might deserve that label.

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140beachbum727(2 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

good God people

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141ytown330(3 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

HELLO PEOPLE!? EVERYONE here is missing the most obvious fact... Cory is an 18 YEAR OLD, RECENT HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATE WHO WAS SERVED AN EXCESSIVE AMOUNT OF ALCOHOL AT A BAR!!! I do know Cory, and in his right mind I could never imagine him doing something like this. He is a typical, immature, young boy who drinks and WILL drink like a lot of the underage kids in the Valley - PAL JOEY'S AND MICKEYS ALLOW THIS!!!! Why are they always so packed?! They are following in the foot steps of the lovely Jay Jay's and they are banking off these young kids! There is a reason why the drinking age is 21, its because 18 yr olds are too immature to control their actions. Chance had every reason/right to protect his life and those around him and Cory should be held be responsible for his actions, but so should these bars who serve these UNDERAGE KIDS!!!

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142Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

johnyoung330 :

" With the fact that Cory is a young black male he is labeled as a thug, and since Phil Chance Jr is a police officer he is right for his actions"

I thought that Cory is a white boy . Cory is labeled for his actions and not his skin color . If the black race wants to embrace Cory as one of their own I see no harm in that .

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143Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

johnyoung330

"After reading this artical and all the comments i have come to the conclusion that youngstown is still a racist town."

Dude, please think before you type. Unreal.

"....but all other urban bar establishments are thrown under the bus when something like this would happen. "

Are you serious? Your kidding right?

".....establishments need to be held at equal standards not the so called "white" club getting more leaway than others bars or clubs"

Why in the word are your bringing up a racist remark? Don't even go there. It's getting rather old and boring. Do something productive in your life. Unreal!

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144walter_sobchak(1914 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

ytown330,

If 18 year old people are "too immature to control their actions", why do we let them drive cars, vote, sign for loans, and enlist in the armed services, fight and kill for our country? We have deemed in this country that at 18, you have reached majority age and are thus an adult with equal rights and RESPONSIBILITIES under the law, except for the purchase and consumption of alcohol. Apparently Cory doesn't understand the resposibility part.

Let the kids drink legally and they will be less likely to binge drink on weekends. Instead, we hold it out there like a carrot on a stick. My question is, where do these young kids get all the money to get so loaded at these establishments. It is not cheap.

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145alove(11 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Yeah at 18 kids are immature but so are people when they're 21... age shouldn't define a persons maturity level. Where do we get our money?.. WE HAVE JOBS WE EARN OUR MONEY! and yeah alcohol is very cheap at these bars. You go to mickeys and get drinks for $1 and they aren't much more expensive at pal joeys, especially when the police officer is slapping a wrist band on you.

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146JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

alove, what do you mean when you say a "police officer is slapping a wrist band on you" - is that a wrist band which indicates that you are old enough to drink (21) to get bar service?
That seems hard to believe, and for any adult to get away with.

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147ytown330(3 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Agreed, Walter. But the point I'm trying to make are these establishments are KNOWN for serving underage - that's why these kids go there. Like I said, if Cory had been in his RIGHT MIND this would not have happened. He should NOT have been served there, period. He is 18!! WHAT ABOUT THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE BARS?!

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148JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Bars don't force people to: drink, drink and drive, play loud music, resist arrest, and flee.

Underage drinking, and even drinking and driving could be construed as a "mistake".

Ignoring a police officers order is beyond a mistake.

As already mentioned, we all make mistakes (young and old). But most people know better than to challenge an authority figure.

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149onthetown(254 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Pal Joey's (and Mickey's) are establishments with a widespread reputation for serving beverages to minors.

It is impossible for places like this to operate in such a manner without the cooperation of local law enforcement.

Per the police report, an off-duty officer was at the scene along with bouncers from Pal Joey's. It is plausible that he was been making an extra buck working for Pal Joey's that night.

Members of the YPD have allowed the underage drinking racket to exist. It was only a matter of time before an incident like this would happen.

Shame on the kids who drink underage.

Shame on the parents who let them.

And shame on the YPD.

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150JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

"an off-duty officer was at the scene along with bouncers from Pal Joey's. It is plausible that he was been making an extra buck working for Pal Joey's that night."

I would agree, probabaly hired by the bar as added security. The McDonalds and Burger King in the little town I'm from would hire sheriff deputies/police officers on Friday and Saturday nights for the added security - quite a boring town.

Maybe someone can clarify, but I believe police officers who take side-work at bars as added security are not allowed to act as a doorperson - meaning checking ID's and taking cover charges. I'm not saying that didn't happen at this place. It is possible that these officers "look the other way" when a door person lets in someone who appears young, but it is not their job to check ID's at a bar. Now the question is, does the off-duty police officer at Pal Joeys check ID's? Putting wrist-bands on is not checking ID's.

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151JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

I actually thought of an example that I see when attending Ohio State football games.
On game days, there are a number of large sponsered gatherings (bands, booze, radio/tv personalities, etc.) before and after games. These areas are fenced off, and alcohol/food is sold there.
At each entrance, there are police officers and people who are "working" (probably sponsor volunteers) the gates to check ID's for anyone who appears young. The officers do not have anything to do with checking ID's, they are there to ensure peace, and that people do not try to leave or bring-in alcohol. They also do not walk around patrolling for underage drinkers, that is the responsibility of the event holder.

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152dontknowjack(1 comment)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

This forum is a disgrace to the Judicial System of the United States of America. The level of ignorance here is incomprehensible. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty and the concept of impartiality? The rush to judgement here on either side is nothing short of appalling. If I were an attorney involved in this case and choosing jury selection I would ask my potential jurors (under oath) if they were in any online forums behind hidden screen names making biased comments/statements regarding this case. Surely, the majority of you in here would be "tainted" jurors. I'm glad to see the whole forum isn't like this, however, for the selective few who seem to have any assemblence of intelligence and impartiality, it at least lends some hope to the legal process. The "seasoned adults" more than anyone should know better. While everyone is entitled to their opinion, I certainly wouldn't want the majority of the people here sitting on my jury.

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153maxi(73 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

dontknowjack:

Thanks for chiming in 188 comments later.

What took you so long?

Your "seasoned adult" co-poster,
maxi

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154JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

"I certainly wouldn't want the majority of the people here sitting on my jury"

Unless your name is Cory, you don't have anything to worry about.

These forums are for discussion, and you do not have to participate.

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155Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

dontknowjack :

Hey Jack, I think I know you .

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156walter_sobchak(1914 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

dontknowjack,

Please, if you are going to throw around 25cent words, "assemblence" is not a word. It is "semblance" (a slight appearance or trace), get it right. The facts that I need to know is that Cory was at a local bar that is known for serving alcohol to 18 year olds. He also refused to obey a police order and the cop felt it necessary to draw his weapon and discharge it, apparently striking Cory, who felt it was still necessary to flee the scene. Since he is in the hospital with a GSW, I will conclude he was indeed shot by the cop. Unless his passenger was pregnant and about to give birth, I'm not sure what other mitigating factor is going to change my opinion that young Cory put himself in a dangerous situation and is now suffering the consequences of his actions.

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157Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

dontknowjack

"This forum is a disgrace to the Judicial System of the United States of America."

Oh, so that is what is wrong with the Judicial System, This forum, that explains alot. Thanks for the information and clarifying that up, Don't Know Jack.

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158blkpride(186 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Poor little Corey. Walked into a bar at the age of 18 and was forced to drink underage to a point that he was no longer accountable for his actions.

Get real folks. He was sober at one point in before the incident. He got drunk before he went into a bar or started drinking underage in the bar how he obtained the alcohol is irrelevant. The fact is he made an adult decision to drink underage to a point where he made poor choices. Only he is responsible for his actions not the bar not his God fearing parents not the police it is Corey who made those decisions.

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159Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Hey Jack:

"The level of ignorance here is incomprehensible."

Would it makes us smarter if we got stoned and took on the law ?

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160briant(57 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

You know, I often miss Youngstown. But after reading stories like this almost on a daily basis it confirms nothing is changing.

It used to take big balls to talk back to a police officer. I guess now attempting to kill one is the norm.

I am sure little Cory is a a great kid with a heart of gold. He would never hurt anyone. He is nice to his 13 brothers and sisters and takes his 45 cousins to church.

The economy, state of Ohio, the city of Youngstown and the white folks all made him bad and perform an act like this. It certainly cannot be his fault.

Cory would never try to hurt an officer of the law. He would only try to KILL one.

It isn't his fault the house I grew up in is now valued at $5,500.

Make him walk the plank:

Saturday at Midnight: The length of South Ave.

Sure would save taxpayers money :)

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161blkpride(186 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Briant Corey is white and from the Poland area I do believe.

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162Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

briant

But after reading stories like this almost on a daily basis it confirms nothing is changing."

And were is this paradise that you reside in with no problems?

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163blkpride(186 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

These problems are not geographically specific to yompton. They are national.

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164leftyompton4life(79 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

After reading some of these posts it makes you almost hope some of these people get hit by cars.....

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165ginngy(1 comment)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

you people talk about y-town this & y-town, ur kind made this city what is now , sounds 2 me that 98% of yall racist. yall dont have a problem when someone white does sumthin wrong. Just think this kid was only 18 sum of u guys got kids the same age or in that age bracket just think what their doing behind ur back . for nieve parents who think their kids isn't doing anything, Rite aid and walgreens sells drug testing kits. Ur kids didnt get robbed in the hood they just sold their stuff 4 some drugs , cause they know u will get them somethin else..... open ur eyes

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166Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

ginngy

I have no clue what your debate is about? Smoke another blunt and maybe make some sense.

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167Robert_Neville(123 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

What is the FBI doing about the problems in the Area? Where is the government for the people at? The area has really high unemployment; most of the people that can work are unemployed. This is a great thing to have in an area, which has already had a big problem. I say bring that old group back the group called the FBI. This is why I pay my taxes. So they can help the police fight the thugs. If they do not want to do there job, then they need to tell us. I say that we call President Obama up, and tell him to bring a team of FBI agents in and solve it now.

Look people the law is not in the favor of the police. This is why we are in our current state. The law needs to be able to take down someone with no questions asked and then the drug runners and drug dealers will think twice. The law needs it impose the same law that they used to take down the Mafia.

These thugs make more money running drugs from state to state; then they do working a 9-5 job. It is the facts and the tax payers need see this. Our Government and State Governments are in state of poor condition and we as the people need to tighten the belt on everything in order to save “OUR life style” that we all want.

So, with that being said, I will pray for Police Officer, Timmings and family involved in this ordeal. It still doesn’t give the 18 year old the right to disrespect the law. Assault is Assault and no other way around that one. Look, everyone has to live within the law and it is about time the people take the streets back and control the future of the area!

“Red is the new Green”

~Neville~

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168UnionForever(1470 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Maybe if all the people of Y-town supported the YPD instead those who constantly criticize them and call them racists all the time, the city would turn around the high crime rate it has. These young urban thug gangstas who do nothing, but break the law need to go away. Only the people can make that happen.

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169JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

ginngy, learn some english before posting.

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170Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

ginngy :

"yall dont have a problem when someone white does sumthin wrong."

Very cool post ginngy . However Cory R. Timmings who got shot is a white boy . Are you claiming him as one of your own ? How cool !

The hood is all about culture . Do the whites living in the hood contribute to the culture or just go with the flow ? Skin color is no setback as they seem to all enjoy the same opportunities ( types of crime ) . IT'S ALL GOOD AND GETTING BETTER EVERYDAY !

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171JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

What's the Vindy record?

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172Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

mikeymike :
"@Stan,awesome !"

Thanks !

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173bobby22(1 comment)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Where does the Vindicator get there facts?
Facts of the story from the crowd of witnesses...
1 - Kid had loud music
2 - Kid tried to drive out of parking lot.
3 - Kid did not drive at cop
4 - Cop put kid in choke hold while kid was driving and near a complete stop. (who can stop a car while in a choke hold? What was this cop thinking?)
5 - Kid got shot at many times
6 - Kid ended up a couple of blocks down the street, bloody and shot.
7 - Kid is in hopisal
8 - Crowd was told by other cops to leave or they will be arrested for obstruction of justice.
9 - Cops try to cover up the seen

This kid is a victum. I cannot believe this cop is on leave with pay.
Is the police force going to intestigate themself?
What a crupt scene and cover-up?
How do citzens let this happen?
What if this was your kid?

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174ohdrama0901(53 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

I wasn't aware that Pal Joeys was still open. You could always get your drink on at Pal Joeys at 18 and nothing's changed there I see. Didn't they shut Jitso down for that? Wow, but okay it is what it is. The bar who served the kid the alcohol is and should be held responsible for his actions also. That is why there are legal age drinking limits in place b/c a child is not able to handle alcohol. Adults don't handle it too well either. Just about everybody has consumed alcohol before the age of 21 and did something stupid as a result although maybe not to this extent but to call him all kinds of names would be hypocritical if you have never underage drank yourself.

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175JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

bobby22, I suggest that you buy a dictionary.

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176Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

bobby22 :

"How do citzens let this happen?"

To stop all the Corys from getting drunk is impossible . How do you propose that we accomplish keeping them sober ?

BTW bobby22, do you consume alcohol on a regular basis ? Does it impair you in any way ?

LIVING SOBER

http://www.livingsobersucks.com/its_a...

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177knowthefactsplease(13 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asLx-f...

I said this before and I'll say it again. Things aren't always as they appear. I can't believe some of the people posting here are saying some of these horrible things they are. It's never too late for change. Hope something like this never happens to your family and you are standing in the shoes of a person being judged.

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178JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

Wow, that video just cracked the case and Cory didn't do anything.

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179knowthefactsplease(13 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

JMe,
Wow, I'm glad you at least took the time to watch the video, but apparently you got nothing out of it. In that post I didn't even make a statement about Cory. So, you continue to you judge and assume. You have no idea what I feel or even know about this incident. It's more about respecting people, when you agree to disagree. It seems a lot of people are incapable of doing that, especially in online forums. Sad really.

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180parkerj(2 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

The kid had coming what he had coming. My biggest issue is that Phil Chances's kid is a cop for the ypd lol. I mean, wow. If the Jr is reading this, perhaps you should move to another area where you might be taken seriously. People wonder why this valley is seen as a joke, here is one example. But I guess you all like it that way, after all, people actually voted a Cafaro into public office also.

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181JME(801 comments)posted 4 years, 1 month ago

knowthefacts,

Sometimes the truth is hard to accept. Your Youtube video does nothing to negate what has happened.
If Cory didn't put himself in this position, we wouldn't be posting here.

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182clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

Cops should only shoot citizens as a ABSOLUTE last resort. I think since the boy was right next to a "night club" he was not hurting anyone by playing music loudly. I think the cop had every right to ask the guy to turn his music down but no right to try to force him. If this man refused to turn his music down, I'm sure the cop responded with some terrorist threat about taking him to jail. Sounds like the boy was most likely defending his freedom and its just another cop with control issues. Cops are constantly getting away with forcing citizens to bend to their will, they use terrorism to do so and I have all the evidence I need in my own testimony.

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183clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

Here are some facts for the cops wife-
He writes seatbelt tickets and he is part of the drug war. These two facts are enough for cops to be called pigs. Lady I don't feel bad for you or your misguided husband. I imagine you both support the troops too, right? The cops in this city/state/country need to read the constitution the swore to uphold. They are whores to corporations, and would not be able to hold jobs at McDonalds with their attitudes. The fact is cops are a bunch of whiney bullys who resort to violence every time you tell them they can't have their way. Your husband should not be allowed to have a gun if he thinks he can put it to my head because I won't turn my music down, or put on my seatbelt.

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184karol207(42 comments)posted 4 years ago

Clem1inf seriously???!! Ur comments make sense just as much as woolyd's. What the hell is wrong with you ppl???
One, Phil Jr is a great cop.don't talk crap when you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Two, Cory is a good kid. His actions that night were beyond wrong and I'm sure he'll pay the price for it. No need to attack Phil's wife, his father or Corey's family. What's done is done,there is no going back and no do-overs.

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185walter_sobchak(1914 comments)posted 4 years ago

Clem1inf,
Youngstown City has an ordinance regarding loud music from vehicles. Since the city follows the rules for adopting such ordinances according to the State of Ohio which reserves this power per the 9th Amendment of the US Constitution, I believe it is you that needs to read the document.

Failure to obey a law enforcement officer is a crime which, judging by the comment you made, you must have run afoul with. Police are not going to put a gun to your head if you play loud music or don't wear a seat belt. But, if you put the officer in a situation where it's their life or the life of a lawbreaker, the choice is easy. Blast away! The kid is lucky he is still breathing.

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186Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years ago

Clem1inf

What'll you do get in trouble with the law and now blaming everyone but you. Look in the mirror dude. People like you are the reason the police have to be tough on useless citizens that don't listen.

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187JME(801 comments)posted 4 years ago

Clem1inf is just another young punk

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188Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years ago

clem1inf :

We will be reading about your war with the police in the very near future . Are you sure that you are up to it ?

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189clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

Yeah it worked, people are listening. To be honest I know there are "good" cops out there that really do think they are doing the best thing to help people. They enforce laws that are necessary, such as speed limit laws (very important), protecting people during domestic disturbances, occasionally recovering stolen property. You know good stuff. But the fact is they work for a horribly corrupt government. I am sorry, but if you think you have the right to put a gun to my face and tell me to pay you money or put on my seat belt, I call you a terrorist (please look up the actual definition of terrorist if you don't know it and think of a Muslim or IRA or whatever). It is purely extortion for the state. SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN TO ME: Cops working as hospital security guards. The security guards admit that they are off duty officers and will do whatever the hospital tells them to do. I have heard this from multiple officers. From what I understand they are being paid by the hospital but still have all the power. They do not know or acknowledge any of the patient rights.

Here is a factual story:i, a 17 year old PERSON with diabetes has flu. Unable to stop vomiting, blood glucose levels get out of control. I finally concede that I needs to go to hospital. Wonderful mother takes me to hospital where he is immediately given medicine to stop vomiting and an IV line with insulin. Blood sugar level is brought down to 350-300 but left there for 24 hours. I ask my endocrinologist (whom I didn't really get along with from previous interactions) why he waited to get sugar levels back down to a normal level for so long and his answer was "I don't have time to explain it to you." I said "Make time." He said "I don't think you would understand it." I said "Dumb it down for me." He said "I don't have to explain it to you, you are only 17 years old." Wrong Answer. I told him "you are fired, you are not allowed to touch me again, now get out of my hospital room". He responded "You cannot talk to me like that." At that point my mother told him that he needed to leave and that they could go out in the hall and talk. He refused. I told him to get out or I would remove him myself. He then got two "security guards" who were also cops who were going to arrest me for threatening him. The threat to take me to jail WAS A TERRORIST ACT. Perhaps I did not have the legal right to fire him since I was 17, but he had no right to refuse my mother. These police officers were acting purely in the interest of the doctor and hospital and since the hospital was paying them they were doing so because of the money. That is called taking BRIBE. Through many other horrible experiences in hospitals, I have seen this scenario repeated numerous times. Hospitals and other private companies should not be allowed to offer officers bribes to have them assist in their crimes. I repeat this is not an isolated incident.

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190clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

To Karol207: I doubt you would be so forgiving if it were one of your loved ones killed over loud music.

To GTX66: If you read all the posts it seems there is more to the story and the officer was trying to rip the boy out of his car with a headlock, if he got hit by a car in this act it was his own dumb fault. He should have written down the boys license plate and mailed him a ticket for playing music too loud, end of story. He had no right to put his hands on the boy for such a minor infraction.

Walter: Read above, I know having music too loud is against the law, but so is excessive force. The kid was not hurting anyone, certainly not enough to justify the cop violently putting his hands on him.

Life2short: I am not a criminal, or at least I don't commit any major or violent crimes, and have spent less than 10 days of my whole life in jail. Never been to prison, mostly just some traffic tickets. I imagine if this were 200 years ago, you would be saying the same crap to George Washington, remember he was a traitor and a criminal as far as the English were concerned.

JME: I would rather be a punk (I'm not sure if I am as young as you are assuming) than a terrorist, which each and every tax paying US citizen is. Simply because they contribute finances to the terrorist acts of our military.

Stan: From all that replied to my post, you sound the most like a cop. I do not believe in war or violence in general except to defend one's self. Are you a cop and planning something? Are you going to find out who I am and where I live? Yeah I believe the cops may start a "war" simply because they don't like what I am saying. But that is what a terrorist does, uses violence because they can't justify their actions with words, which are the only weapons I have. So no, I am not ready for a "war with the police" But that may because cops are pu**ys that can't fight one on one, they are just as bad as any of the gang members they arrest.

The war against terrorism needs to start from within our own borders.

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191clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

I will add my favorite quote: Krishnamurti: “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” That is for all you crazy cop and capitalism lovers out there, sick bastards.

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192JME(801 comments)posted 4 years ago

Clem, your either taking too many drugs or you have some serious mental problems.

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193clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

JME: perhaps I do have mental problems but they are a result of PTSD from cops, judges, teachers and doctors behaving in a terrorist manner. As illustrated by my favorite quote, you are the one with mental problems as you accept cops breaking the law. Am I the only one who knows the fourth amendment? You know the one limiting the power of the government to having to be "reasonable"? ANYONE who thinks they have the right to put a gun to someones head and tell them to put on a seat belt has serious mental issues and is guilty of breaking the basis of how we should all live- the Golden Rule.

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194Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years ago

"...and have spent less than 10 days of my whole life in jail."

Like it or not, your a criminal. You break the law your a criminal. Period.

"....I imagine if this were 200 years ago, you would be saying the same crap to George Washington, remember he was a traitor and a criminal as far as the English were concerned."

It's not 200 years ago, it's the year 2010. Remember you can never go back, only forward.

"" Are you a cop and planning something? Are you going to find out who I am and where I live? Yeah I believe the cops may start a "war" simply because they don't like what I am saying. But that is what a terrorist does, uses violence because they can't justify their actions with words, which are the only weapons I have. So no, I am not ready for a "war with the police" But that may because cops are pu**ys that can't fight one on one, they are just as bad as any of the gang members they arrest.
The war against terrorism needs to start from within our own borders.""

Dude, you sound so paranoid, I really think you need some help, mentally, before you do something you'll regret.

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195walter_sobchak(1914 comments)posted 4 years ago

clem1inf,
I will add my favorite quote: Spock: "In an insane society, the sane man must appear insane."

I know that, even though you are paranoid, it doesn't mean they not all out to get you. Man, I think your blood sugar level is a little too low. Suck on some decorator icing. Put yourself in the place of the police officers. He works for an undermanned force and responds to a situation is which they are overwhelmed and must restore order. The only way that this can be done is by showing force and taking control. Most police just want to keep the peace, maintain order, and go home to their families.

In our society, you are born with certain rights. But, rights can't exist without responsibility. You have the responsibility to obey the laws that are enacted in our land. Without this, we have chaos (or the parking lot at Pal Joey's). But, to equate the police and the military with terrorists is ludicrous.

But, here's an idea. The next time you are in a dangerous situation and somebody is threatening you, or someone steals your property, or someone beats up your mother, or you go get in a serious car accident, don't call the evil law enforcement officer. Handle it yourself. After all, they are just reactionary.

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196Kayfabe(4 comments)posted 4 years ago

The kid isn't even smart enough to take down pictures of him underage drinking on his Facebook.

Cory's father was even going around town telling people Cory was on his "deathbed" to try to garner sympathy.

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197clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

Wow: Walter and life2short, you say so much without any real substance. In fact about all I can do is repeat myself. THE COPS DON"T OBEY THE LAW. The officer did not have the right to put his hands on a citizen for breaking a noise ordinance, let alone discharging his weapon. I also said before, that I know cops do a lot of good things, but that does not justify the bad things they do. Sure they are only human, but they are given powers which they ABUSE consistently Tell me who I can call when it is a COP that is threatening me and putting me in a dangerous situation (which has happened multiple times usually when a cop it TAKING MONEY FROM A PRIVATE CORPORATION.) The cops not only have the responsibility to obey the law they have taken an oath to uphold it, yet they break the our constitutional rights every time they write a ticket for a seat belt law. You people posting up here (GTX66, Walter, and Lifes2short) are the reason our troops are getting away with committing terrorist acts in Afghanistan and Iraq, and will probably do the same in Iran soon. You are also the reason we will probably see another attack like 9/11 again. Because you are too sadistic to allow others the freedoms you hold so precious.
Walter, your favorite quote actually vindicates me, you are going to call me crazy, but I seem to be the only one here that can obey the golden rule.
Lifes2short, I wish we could move forward, but people like you want us to remain stagnant. You call me a criminal, but I am the one who actually understands the concept of freedom, which you obviously do not. I am the same type of criminal the our founding fathers were, you should have a seat belt around your mouth.

COME ON. One of you justify how someone should get shot for having a RADIO TOO LOUD.

You people keep talking but have no evidence to support your comments. I have plenty of evidence to prove that cops are committing terrorist acts, taking bribes from private corporations, and abusing their power. Take a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwM66u...
You see the guy about 2:30 into the video, I have been in a very similar situation, and you cannot justify it. If you support these kind of cops, you support terrorism.

Go ask Judge Terry Ivanchak if he has ever said "You have done nothing wrong, so I am throwing your case out of court. But you will have to pay $25 to get your license reinstated." Or if he has ever put someone in jail without hearing their side of the story.

Why can't you realize that the cops are there to "serve and protect us" not boss us around like slaves

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198clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

Here's another clip for you terrorist supporters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JmwMq...

The Champion of the People, hard at work, defending our freedom.

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199clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

Yeah, here is another prime example of why I consider cops terrorists: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2ZJxi...

At least my mother taught me not to hit girls. Poor little baby Popo almost got hit by a shoe. He should spend FAR more than a year in jail.

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200clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

Here is more evidence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUhiSD...

Guilty of the CRIME??? of not leaving when the cop said.

I understand that cops are NECESSARY but when they aren't even smart enough to think about weather or not they SHOULD be enforcing the law that our corrupt politicians put in place (seat belt laws or marijuana laws, or the federal reserves system itself). We need to drastically change our legal system, as it is the LEAST free when compared to most other countries. My evidence for this statement is the percentage of our citizens that are in prison. Any cop who can't see this needs to be replaced, and isn't even qualified mentally to flip my burgers, as the sadistic bastards would probably spit on them if they had to work for a pittance without benefits.

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201clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

Life2short: Sometimes criminals ARE heroes. And I highly doubt you are without sin. The crimes I have "committed"
1. Disorderly conduct and resisting arrest- That was back when I thought I could stand up for my own rights, Actually what I was doing was demanding for a cop to tell me what law I had broken as he was threatening to arrest me if I didn't leave, when I was the one who was actually the victim of a crime. I refused to leave and told the cop if he was going to arrest me, he had to arrest the guy who assaulted me. TRUMPED CHARGE
2. Owed Cortland Municipal Court $16 for a speeding ticket, which I thought was paid in full. They could have mailed me a friendly notification instead of issuing a warrant. Opps my bad guess I deserved two days in jail for $16. Oh wait I still had to pay the $16.
3. Contempt of Court. I'm not going to bother with details on this, but as you can tell from my previous statements, our courts deserve contempt.

I am sure you break the law every once in a while. Weather you hit 70mph on the highway, jaywalk, or do a rolling stop at a stop sign.

Don't talk to me like I am some sort of murder, rapist, burglar, or vandal. I have broken far less laws than have been broken against me by state employees.

You are RIGHT its 2010 and the united states is much worse than England was 200 years ago. People like you are causing us to regress. If I am wrong, than England was right and you should move back there. Get out of MY COUNTRY so I can have freedom.

Oh and one last time- you are a criminal as every time you pay taxes and contribute to a terrorist organization.

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202clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

Walter- I'm gonna refer to you as labowski from now on just for fun
here is the definition of terrorism
Terrorism is the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion.
or
1.
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2.
the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3.
a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

Actions such as these are used by police and our military on a daily basis. It has been this way for decades at least.

The fact that you understand that I am guaranteed freedoms and rights, but cannot understand how those rights are being violated confounds me. If any other country invaded the USA for the reasons or in the manor we invaded Iraq, we would call them terrorists. You cannot make an intelligent argument against that comment.

I do and will call a police officer when a crime is committed against me or my family, if I get in a car crash, or any other reason I need them. As I have said many times, cops do good things, but the fact remains they are employees in a FUBARed system which desperately needs dramatic change.

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203disgustedjoker(46 comments)posted 4 years ago

I have to agree with clem about firing a gun over this situation. From what I understand, the kid saw the fight break out, got in his car to leave when a man came through his driver side window, grapped him by the neck and tried to pull the keys. The kid didnt know if it was one of the people involved in the fight since he couldnt see who was chocking him so he drove off. When he realized it was a cop, he stopped and thats when the cop fired his gun into his back! How can you say he disobeyed the orders of a police officer when one thing is clear, his music was loud!!! He didnt hear the officer nor did he see who it was... So come on, dont judge til we all know the facts. I just dont agree that the officer had the right to shoot the kid at close range for this... And, I also heard that the other officers at the scene had to stop this officer from firing again. He wanted this kids life! It will be interesting to see how this one plays out.

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204glock17(3 comments)posted 4 years ago

HERE IS THE BOTTOM LINE. The kid screwed up. The cop was totally in the right and should be praised. Maybe this kid will learn a lesson. When a cop tells you to stop. You stop. Obviously the kid has zero respect and should be arrested and prosecuted for attempted murder on a peace officer. There should be no investigation, no inquiry, and the officer should be reinstated without prejudice. It is complete bs that we waste our tax money to even do an investigation on something so clear cut. THE KID IS A COMPLETE moron.

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205clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

Thank you disgustedjoker, I have heard/read some different details, but there is much information missing form the newspaper report here. The cop didn't even have the right to put his hands on the kid, Period.
Glock17, HERE IS THE BOTTOM LINE???? Yes the kid screwed up by not doing what the officer asked, but as I have said in multiple posts here, he did absolutely nothing to endanger another citizens life with his loud music, and that is the only time a officer should be allowed to use physical violence or deadly force. The cop put himself in harms way by trying to stop a car with his bare hands. DUH. ONE LAST TIME. The cop should have wrote down the kids license number and mailed him a ticket for breaking noise ordinance. END OF STORY. Still no one on here has even tied to justify why some one should be shot for playing loud music. And lets talk about how loud it was. Before you can even say he broke the law or that the cop even had a right to ASK him to turn it down, you have to say EXACTLY how loud (in decibels) it was. It may have been within the legal limits but simply louder than the officer liked. Glock17, you are a complete moron, as I'm sure most people who name themselves after a gun are. ANY TIME A cop shoots an unarmed citizen there should be an investigation. Cops will use violence and deadly force to stop a patient from leaving the hospital, even if the hospital is breaking the law. Cops need to know their roles as PUBLIC SERVANTS for all citizens not as TERRORIST ENFORCERS of their own/the governments/the wealthy's will.

I have seen the cops wife post up here, wonder where he is? Probably enjoying his time off. Bet he still gets free doughnuts. I have a few questions I would LOVE for him to answer.

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206Rokscout(310 comments)posted 4 years ago

Wow, the enlightened one even worked in a donut comment...how original...and proof positive of some degree of idiocy. If you, Clem, have been on the receiving end of a beating, you may want to count your mouth as the cause. You are the type of guy that claims cops hide behind their badges, but in reality, you are hiding in front of it. You know you can say what you say because almost every cop out there would smile and walk away, rather than give in to the urge to shut you up. Your comments about soldiers and police place you directly in the center of what is wrong with this country. You are a cop hater, plain and simple. You are nothing special, and certainly nothing new.

Lastly, nobody is, was, or ever will be your SERVANT, so get over yourself and your misguided wannabe anarchist ideals. That is all.

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207clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

Haha, Rokscout, about a few things you could not be more wrong. But you certainly are right about a few. Perhaps I have put too much blame on cops and soldiers, when the blame should really go to the politicians who make corrupt deals and laws to benefit them selves or the already well off. Police and soldiers are tools they use. One of my biggest problems with cops is that they cant seem to think about weather some of the things they do are right or wrong, they just think "well since I was given an order I should follow it without question" the same way a member of the taliban, al queda or an opposing soldier does. If you were eating a Big Mac and I put a gun to your head and told you to stop eating it or you would have to pay me money, and justified my actions by saying it was for your own good, you would not accept my behavior, so why accept a cop doing the exact same thing with a seat belt??? To be honest I feel like I have held these thoughts inside but can no longer. Since I have been leaving these inflammatory comments, I am actually a little afraid to drive through Youngstown. Tell me why officer Chance couldn't "smile and walk away" from a loud radio. You people disagreeing with me spend more time calling me crazy but do not even try to justify a COP SHOOTING SOMEONE OVER A NOISE VIOLATION, which NO ONE HAS PROVEN HE VIOLATED. If any of you think using a gun to force someone to turn down a radio (as I have said threatens no one's life) is not an act of terror, then you are the one who is misguided. Yeah, I'm better than you, because I have more respect for other peoples lives and freedom than to use violence as my only tool.

Did any of you think I might be taking it to such extremes purely to get fools like you riled up. Why don't you try thinking for a second, "Well he has pretty f***ed up way of thinking, but we should have the right to tell cops no, if we are not breaking the law". But we don't. That is a huge part of my point- If I were free, a cop would not be able to tell me what to do unless I had already broken the law or was in the process. The fact seems to be that if a cop tells you to do something and you say "no", you are then a criminal. If a cop doesn't want you to be somewhere, they tell you to leave or you will be arrested for tresspassing, and he will probably be secsessful at having you prosecuted regardless of weather he actually had the right to ask you to leave. It doesn't seem to matter to you people weather or not the cop had the right to say something to him or not. Cops can be good people, who are kind to their families and loved ones. But I am sure the same can be said about members of the Iraq army.

And lastly, if they are not supposed to serve the public, why does it say serve and protect on their cars? Say something more intelligent next post please. I am still waiting for someone to justify using a gun to enforce a noise ordinance. The punishment obviously does not fit the crime.

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208Rokscout(310 comments)posted 4 years ago

Okay I will humor you, despite the fact you are clearly a kook. They provide a service, they are not your servant. Secondly, nobody got shot over a noise violation, it is obvious you are taking the parts of the story you can use to justify your wannabe anarchist thoughts. He was shot after his reaction to being told to turn it down. By you "expressing your repressed feelings" it is you that appears the "fool". Go back to class, there are things that your granola eating hippy professor forgot to mention to you about how things work in the real world. Wake up, or you will be in for a very miserable life.

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209clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

All you can do is talk trash, in your first sentence. Your second was purely semantics, they are public servants, quit whining, that is what I am going to call them and for all intents and purposes they are the employees of each and every one of us. You are right, he got shot because he told a cop NO. Then you trash talk more.... some crap about my hippy teachers??? You speak like cops don't break laws, like they don't get caught abusing their power all the time. All I have to do is search Youtube to find volumes of evidence. Think about all the times they get away with it. Think about all the times you drive a car down a road and get a couple mph over the limit. Not a big deal. But cops are getting away with it when they are caught in broad daylight simply because people like you are biased for cops. (yeah I know I'm bias against them) Its not just cops, its our entire legal system that needs an enema. Here is a great story.
I was in Warren Municipal Court for an unrelated case. Not my own before you make assumptions. Terry Ivanchek was presiding. I am using a fake name and address here but: Joe the landscaper did a job at 121 maple street Warren Ohio at some point in the past. There was a health code violation, unrelated to his work, on the property. Warren Court somehow got it in their paperwork that Joe the landscaper owned 121 Maple street and sent a court summons to 121 maple street. Of course Joe didn't live here so he never got the summons so, of course, never went to court. So the court suspends his license. Eventually Joe is "caught" and is forced to come to court to clear his name. Fair enough so far. to be continued

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210clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

Continued form previous post:

Joe brought a document to court showing that 121 maple street is actually owned by Dipshot associates in Virgina( fake name). The judge almost looked disappointed that the man had evidence showing his total innocence. The Judge Ivanchek said "you've done nothing wrong, I'm throwing your case out of court.... But you will have to spend $25 to get your license reinstated"

My jaw hit the floor and I believe I smacked my self in the head to try and make my self stupid enough to believe what I just heard.
What I was taught in school is that the Judicial branch of our government was there to help ensure that innocent citizens were not being unfairly prosecuted for crimes they did not commit, and to ensure that laws were being followed and enforced as the lawmakers had intended.
Somebody please explain to me why that guy should have paid $25 for the COURTS MISTAKE. Judge Ivanchek does not even have a clue what his job is and has no place on a bench. I would picket his court if he didn't have a bunch of cops he would send to arrest me. I have the feeling the same will happen if I try to picket Trumbull Memorial Hospital for how they bribe cops, but I think I'm gonna do it soon anyway, as I have seen them aid that hospital in committing crimes numerous times.

Rokscout, Take your trash talking over washed brain and read the constitution again. This time think about how "The right of the people to be secure in their PERSONS, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated" could be applied in this case. That cop was unreasonable to say the least. Basically that cop did not have the right to lay a hand on him until he had laid a hand on someone else or someone's property.That kids "debt to society" was a ticket in the mail not a bullet in the back. Are you with out sin? Do you seriously NEVER even accidentally break a law? If you do I hope I am there so I can tell you you are not allowed to do it. Lets say you let your lawn get too tall and your neighbor tells you to mow it. You say no, guess he has the right to hit you and shoot you or whatever he wants. Gotcha! I understand your line of thought, that is why I call you terrorists. That cop should be worried about more important things. He was there to stop violence not cause more. He was not doing his job. I want the right to tell a cop no (over something as silly as loud music, the kid has a RIGHT to have fun) and not be afraid I will be shot or arrested.

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211joe1616(52 comments)posted 4 years ago

clem1inf:

"Before you can even say he broke the law or that the cop even had a right to ASK him to turn it down, you have to say EXACTLY how loud (in decibels) it was."

Is that how the law works? Um, try again. You could not be more wrong. The Youngstown ordinance governing sound from a motor vehicle is based on distance, not decibels. You aren't an attorney, so don't try to sound like one. Maybe you stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. lol

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212Rokscout(310 comments)posted 4 years ago

Dude, Clem, you are a stone cold nut case. Get real, and get a life. Can't wait to see you with your picket sign. Have fun explaining to people what you are protesting when they are dumbfounded by your insane conspiracy theories.

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213clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

Joe1616,
I will admit that I do not know the code. I do not know what that Youngstown sound oridinance says but I do know that you cannot measure sound levels in DISTANCE. So your answer to how loud something is could be 12 ft? Are you saying that people don't have the right to have a radio playing at any volume? Why don't you research the law and provide proof that the boy was breaking the law. NO ONE has proven that, just keep talking trash like Rokscout. All you do is make unfounded claims about how crazy I am. I will repeat myself AGAIN. You are crazy if you think it is OK to shoot people for having a loud radio. But then again a moron like you thinks its OK to invade a country looking for WMDs when we have them in our own back yard. You are a hypocrite. Say something with some substance next post instead of talking trash.

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214Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years ago

clem,
You truly are a kook but I'm bored and will comment...

"Wow: Walter and life2short, you say so much without any real substance. In fact about all I can do is repeat myself. THE COPS DON"T OBEY THE LAW.Sure they are only human, but they are given powers which they ABUSE consistently Tell me who I can call when it is a COP that is threatening me and putting me in a dangerous situation "
"Any cop who can't see this needs to be replaced, and isn't even qualified mentally to flip my burgers, as the sadistic bastards would probably spit on them if they had to work for a pittance without benefits."

You wouldn't need to call a COP if you weren't in a position for them to be called. Understand? And if your the victim who you going to call, your buddies? You have the idea that a COP won't come and help you in time of need. Good luck with that when your in a life and death situation and think the COPS won't come and help you.
You bad mouth the COPS but I would love for you to talk to the families of those that DIED in the line of duty, protecting your FREEDOM. Read the stories how these men died needlessly.

http://www.odmp.org/
http://www.nleomf.com/
http://www.aphf.org/memorial.html

"The cops not only have the responsibility to obey the law they have taken an oath to uphold it, yet they break the our constitutional rights every time they write a ticket for a seat belt law."

You know there trying to save your life by wearing your seatbelt. Everyone has a opinion on this, but how many times have you seen a FATAL accident and the comment "they weren't wearing there seatbelt"? To many to mention. For now the LAW is "click it" has nothing to do with the COPS (there only enforcing it) but with the STATE. So it's against the LAW to not wear your seatbelt, just put it on and you don't have to worry about getting a ticket. Real simple, isn't it?

"You people posting up here (GTX66, Walter, and Lifes2short) are the reason our troops are getting away with committing terrorist acts in Afghanistan and Iraq, and will probably do the same in Iran soon. You are also the reason we will probably see another attack like 9/11 again. Because you are too sadistic to allow others the freedoms you hold so precious."

Were the reason why?? WOW that is amazing. Humor me and tell me why I'm the reason?
Instead of blaming the soldiers protecting your FREEDOM well you sit here comfortably on American soil, with your FREEDOM, posting useless comments, blame the Government, not the men and women of our military.
Once again, I would love for you to rant and rave to these families that had there fathers, mothers, son and daughters die to protect your FREEDOM.

http://ourfallensoldier.com/T1.html

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215Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years ago

"Lifes2short, I wish we could move forward, but people like you want us to remain stagnant."
"I am the same type of criminal the our founding fathers were, you should have a seat belt around your mouth."

Now that is FUNNY....Wrong dude, I'm moving FORWARD unlike you that must've had a recent history lesson.

"Life2short: Sometimes criminals ARE heroes. And I highly doubt you are without sin."

Your a newbie on here, so I'll cut it short, never said I was without sin, matter of fact I just got out of prison a year and a half ago. I'm a criminal but now I know what it is to obey the laws and move on with life. I made a mistake but now no right from wrong and not hurt the people that care for me. Name me in recent times (because I know you like to go back in history) but name me a criminal that is a hero in the 21st century????

It's people like you that need to blame everyone else. What happened to being responsible for your own actions? You must sit around all day looking at youtube videos and think the whole world is after you. Think about what the COPS do 365 days of the year, 24/7, everyday and every night that don't make the news? I'm the last one for sticking up for the COPS but the way you people bash them, it's not really fair. There are good ones and bad ones, but I would venture to guess the GOOD ones make up the overwhelming majority, but you cast them in one group. That's pitiful dude.
Bottom line, if you obey the laws (whether you believe in them or not) then you actually can go a lifetime without dealing with COPS, and maybe worry about who is the mirror then others.

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216Rokscout(310 comments)posted 4 years ago

Clemmy I am not here to have an "intellectual" debate with you. You see, a person with silly views like you, that has been reduced to donut joke cop bashing, can not be reasoned with. My only hope is that since you are young, the real world will shape you in to a more stable person. Good luck, you'll need it.

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217clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

Lifes2short: Yes, you do have some very good points in your post. But you still haven't addressed the fact that the boy took a bullet over a loud radio. You can sit and pick apart my statements, complaining about my references to history but you are simply ignoring what this issue is really about. We cannot allow police to abuse their power, which this officer did. Did the boys stereo wake someone up, or was it loud enough to shake someones collectibles off their shelves? My point is you can't use lethal force for a non violent crime. I don't think a car is capable of having a stereo that can endanger someone's life but a bullet definitely can. You keep avoiding the fact the THE PUNISHMENT dealt by the officer DID NOT fit the crime. That man should not be a cop.

We do need cops, and we do need a military. Maybe you disagree with this but in my opinion the only time violence is acceptable is self defense. We are not/were not in Iraq defending ourselves. We were looking for WMDs. If they do not have the right to have them, neither do we. Can't you see that we look like total hypocrites? What happened to "do unto others"? The last war we were at all purely defending our selves was WWII.

I strongly disagree that we are moving forward. We are talking about invading a country (Iran) which is simply doing things we do everyday. They have a right to defend themselves from us.

You spoke volumes when you said "Read the stories how these men died needlessly." I would like to put the emphasis on NEEDLESSLY.

Seat belt laws are extortion. I do wear my seat belt, (99% of the time) and every one should, but I can clearly explain how the state of ohio does not have the legal right to fine me for not wearing one.

Someone please explain to me why ANYONE, cop or not, should be allowed to shoot someone over something as minor as a loud stereo.

Rokscout: I can be reasoned with, but you still have not provided a REASON that a man DESERVES to be shot for not turning down his stereo. You would have to work on you intellect before you could have an intellectual debate with me. Just keep on trash talking. I will stand behind the cops and praise them as heros when can justify their actions, which they cannot. Disrespecting a cop does not warrant a bullet. I will remember your point of view next time a cop disrespects me, or I would if I didn't abhor violence.

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218joe1616(52 comments)posted 4 years ago

clem:

I stated the ordinance is based on distance, not measured. Read. The code states that a violation occurs if sound coming from a motor vehicle can be heard from 50 feet or more. I don't need to research it, I practice it. I am an attorney, and you aren't. Did I ever say it was ok to shoot someone over loud music? No. However, you are ignoring other factors. Post something worth reading, please.

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219pens(20 comments)posted 4 years ago

Clem... I'm not quite sure where you are getting this info that he was choked for loud music.... not sure why you keep stressing the fact that he was shot because of it.... Cory was asked to turn the music down,he didnt,he drove at the the officer and struck him with his car. The officer tried to reach in and turn his car off.Cory drove off with the officer hanging out the window. the officer told him to stop and he didnt plain and simple! If Cory would have just turned down the music like the officer asked we wouldnt be here talking about it. And even after he got shot he still fled the scene...... Post all the facts,read the fact before acting like Cory drove by with loud music and was shot! TOTALLY WRONG!!!

Someone else also stated "poor Cory was on his deathbed"...yeah... poor Cory was ice skating at the ice zone recently...poor baby!!!

When this is all said and done...when we see what Cory is charged with then we can talk....

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220pens(20 comments)posted 4 years ago

Cory shouldnt have even been there... Under age drinking,DUI,hitting a police officer,loud music,refusing to obey an order from a police officer,running from the scene after you have been told you are under arrest..... What are you excuses for him now Clem??

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221Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years ago

clem

"But you still haven't addressed the fact that the boy took a bullet over a loud radio. "

Read "pens" comment, what part don't you understand? He was NOT shot over a loud radio....you really believe a COP would shoot a person over loud music???? What about this COP that was KILLED because of it!

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/...

Dude, plain and simple, Cory was WRONG, totally WRONG, again, what happened to being RESPONSIBLE for your OWN actions?? A very needless incident that could have been all avoided if Corey just listened! It is not that hard to do. Listen, end of night, everyone goes home....It's not rocket science.

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222Rokscout(310 comments)posted 4 years ago

Don't tell clemmy boy he's wrong, he will do like all radical libs do and try to tell you that you are not intelligent. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, boy wonder has time and again proven that he lacks reading comprehension skills.

Now he's "afraid to drive through Youngstown" because what? YPD might track you down from an anonymous internet board and get you? Again, and pay attention this time kiddo, bashing cops on here is nothing new. You are not a trend setter, and you certainly aren't opening anyone's eyes to some grand injustice. If ya don't like our laws, head on down to Mexico. Plenty of chaos there for you...oh and while you are there, feel free to speed down the road with your seatbelt off and stereo as loud as you like. Show off that "freedom" you claim not to have here.

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223Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years ago

clem

"You spoke volumes when you said "Read the stories how these men died needlessly." I would like to put the emphasis on NEEDLESSLY. "

Yes, NEEDLESSLY, by protecting your freedom from the animals that roam the streets. They are protecting YOU from these low pitiful creatures so they DON'T kill you or your family or someone that loves you or INNOCENT people/children, etc

And you have the nerve to say these things....

"Cops are constantly getting away with forcing citizens to bend to their will, they use terrorism to do so and I have all the evidence I need in my own testimony."

"Here are some facts for the cops wife- He writes seatbelt tickets and he is part of the drug war. These two facts are enough for cops to be called pigs."

"Lady I don't feel bad for you or your misguided husband."

"They are whores to corporations, and would not be able to hold jobs at McDonalds with their attitudes."

"The fact is cops are a bunch of whiney bullys who resort to violence every time you tell them they can't have their way."

"Your husband should not be allowed to have a gun if he thinks he can put it to my head because I won't turn my music down, or put on my seatbelt."

"Yeah I believe the cops may start a "war" simply because they don't like what I am saying. But that is what a terrorist does, uses violence because they can't justify their actions with words, which are the only weapons I have. "

"But that may because cops are pu**ys that can't fight one on one, they are just as bad as any of the gang members they arrest."

"....perhaps I do have mental problems but they are a result of PTSD from cops, judges, teachers and doctors behaving in a terrorist manner."

"THE COPS DON"T OBEY THE LAW. "

"The cops not only have the responsibility to obey the law they have taken an oath to uphold it, yet they break the our constitutional rights every time they write a ticket for a seat belt law."

"I have plenty of evidence to prove that cops are committing terrorist acts, taking bribes from private corporations, and abusing their power."

"Why can't you realize that the cops are there to "serve and protect us" not boss us around like slaves"

"Any cop who can't see this needs to be replaced, and isn't even qualified mentally to flip my burgers, as the sadistic bastards would probably spit on them if they had to work for a pittance without benefits."

"I have seen the cops wife post up here, wonder where he is? Probably enjoying his time off. Bet he still gets free doughnuts."

>>>>>All that and they still protect you from crime or when you need help. <<<<<< Amazing isn't it?

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224bluetickrick(2 comments)posted 4 years ago

i hope he looses his job but he wont he forgets to add how quick he is to choke kids like corey what would u do miss wifey if i choked you drive away or let me phil chance choked my friend at the civic center also i didnt no choking was a police proceedure ive herd of 3 kids he choked now sounds like he,s mad for a tiny u no what y dont u tell us wifey

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225bluetickrick(2 comments)posted 4 years ago

id bet my life he chokes his wife too i hope my friend listens to me and testifies at coreys hearing and everyone else this punk has choked in youngstown corey only drove away with this punk holding on to his throat cause he couldnt breath so please all wittnesses go testify what really happend that night

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226Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years ago

bluetickrick

From your comment you probably deserve to be choked. Dude, go back to English class and next time learn what you study. Wow.

http://www.chumpysclipart.com/images/...

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227MVP(67 comments)posted 4 years ago

Clem read one textbook and now thinks he is an expert on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. He is just another punk kid who acts like he knows everything about everything when in fact, he hasn't had any real life experience other than getting in trouble by mouthing off to anyone in authority. Civil disobedience is not about acting like a jerk then blaming someone else when you have to pay the consequence. As for this incident, you continue to say no one knows all the facts but then agree with anyone who supports your position. Look in the mirror Clem, you are EXACTLY the type of person you purport to hate!

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228clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

Fact: Police officers work "off duty" for private corporations. They take money and act solely in the interest of said corporations. They will even go so far as to aid these corporations in breaking the law. I know this to be true from my own account. This is unacceptable and needs to stop. It is no different from taking a bribe.

Fact: If I get a ticket for a seat belt and refuse to pay it, a warrant may be issued for my arrest (or at very least, my license will be suspended). Police will take my freedom VIOLENTLY. No one can come up with a good reason why they should be able to tell me to put on a seat belt. Seat belt laws are by definition, extortion and terrorism. The only reason they get away with it is because wearing seat belts is sensible. But so is not eating too much fattening food, or exercising on a regular basis, but I will retain my freedom to eat 10 big macs a day if I choose, or to sit on my couch and watch TV instead of exercising. These are very basic concepts of freedom which cops seem to ignore.

Fact: Cory was told to leave, he was doing exactly as he was told. Chance should have been worried about more important things than a loud stereo. Chance was there to stop a fight, but started another one. He is no better than the "criminals" he went there to arrest or subdue.

Fact: If Canadian soldiers began invading American homes searching for nuclear weapons, and were pointing guns at our wives and children we would consider them terrorists. This is exactly what we have done in Iraq. We are not defending our freedom, we are taking theirs away. If we have the right to have and make nukes, so do they. You are a hypocrite and the reason I believe Muslims dislike us so much. If you disagree with me, then you are the reason we all have targets on our backs.

Fact: Lawyers make their livings dependent on a corrupt legal system. If our legal system was at all fair we would not need lawyers every time we go into a court.

Fact: If a case is brought to court where it is a citizen vs a police officer, a judge can get away with being completely bias on the officers side and the citizen can be jailed without even getting a chance to tell their side of the story. Once again, I have seen this happen, so don't tell me it doesn't.

I don't really need all the facts in the case. Cops are called pigs for a reason. Hell Yeah I am bias and will take a citizens word over a cops, but I'm not a judge. If cops obeyed the law at least 3 out of the six facts I listed would not be facts. Get off your high horse, as you live in a glass house.

Here is another fact: George Bush and Dick Cheney are war criminals. I will start praising cops and soldgiers when those two are in jail.

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229joe1616(52 comments)posted 4 years ago

"No one can come up with a good reason why they should be able to tell me to put on a seat belt"

Hmmm, maybe because it's the LAW. If you don't like the law, do something to change it. The law was proposed, and passed in Congress. By the people that were voted in. It's called democracy, ever hear of it? If you don't like democracy, maybe you should go to Iraq and live there. Tell me how you like it.

People get jailed without getting a chance to tell their side of the story? LOL Really? All defendants are afforded a right to speak at their trial, and sentencing. Show me one time someone didnt have that opportunity. Unreal.

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230Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years ago

"Police officers work "off duty" for private corporations."

And you have a problem with someone trying to supplement there income? It's called trying to make extra money. Alot of people do it.

"Police will take my freedom VIOLENTLY."

Show me one incident where a police officer took someones freedom VIOLENTLY over a seatbelt ticket? And by the way, it's the LAW to wear your seatbelt in Ohio. You realize that now, don't you? And until it's your choice, it's ILLEGAL.

"Cory was told to leave, he was doing exactly as he was told."

He drove right into the path of the officer on duty trying to hit him. If he had half of brain, he wouldn't be there in the first place - (underage drinking is against the law and I hope you know that) but he was, wouldn't you stay low and out of trouble instead of making trouble?

"This is exactly what we have done in Iraq. We are not defending our freedom, we are taking theirs away."

Move to Iraq and try to make a difference then. Or get on the President of the United States and the Department of Defense big wigs and complain to them.

"If our legal system was at all fair we would not need lawyers every time we go into a court."

No one is forced to hire a lawyer, you have the right to defend yourself.

"Fact: If a case is brought to court where it is a citizen vs a police officer, a judge can get away with being completely bias on the officers side and the citizen can be jailed without even getting a chance to tell their side of the story."

Is that a "Fact" and if you think that, prove that "Fact", or is that just your opinion? And you have all these "Facts", kind of funny how you say there "Facts" but really it sounds like your bias opinion. No more no less.

"Here is another fact: George Bush and Dick Cheney are war criminals."

Did I miss something? When were they convicted of war crimes if that is indeed a "Fact?" Enlighten me, because I missed that news.

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231MVP(67 comments)posted 4 years ago

Clem, every one of your "facts" is an opinion. Please know the definition of simple words before posting your OPINION and try to pass it off as a fact. Here is a FACT. You don't know what you are talking about. lol

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232clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

OK plain and simple the fourth amendment says we are protected from unreasonable search and seizure, so if you cannot think of a good reason I am hurting you, you have no right to tell me to wear a seat belt. The law should not be in existence for that exact reason. As I said before, If I am not hurting another citizen, the state has no right to make a law infringing upon my freedom. You say they won't do it violently? If I do not pay the ticket, stop driving, allow them to take me to jail, If I defend my self and "resist arrest" they will most definitely get violent. They will not even stop at shooting me to subdue me. (over a seatbelt) If it was not my right to endanger my own life than could make a huge list of freedoms that could be taken "for my own good" but the fact is the government should not and does not have the right to make laws limiting my freedom unless I am hurting someone else (reasonable).
Yes I have a HUGE problem with cops supplementing their income aiding people in breaking the law, or enforcing it only for the side that paid them. Why wouldn't I?
I have stayed out of any major trouble to this point in my life. If a loved one of mine was not desperately ill, and I didn't have to spend so much time battling with cops in hospitals I would not have much interaction with cops at all. Why?? Because I have respect for people's rights, property, and freedom. I'm not saying he was not drinking, but I don't see where it says he was charged with DUI. Perhaps you should share your source.
You are right that we are not "forced" to get a lawyer, however you have to be able to tell your side of the story to defend yourself. I am not just making this up, I witnessed it. Judge Terry Ivanchek did so on 12/31/09, the same day he told a man "You did nothing wrong and I am throwing your case out of court.. but you will have to pay $25 to get your license reinstated. (please see my previous posts for the full story) He does not even understand that his job is to make sure the innocent ARE NOT punished, yet he charged a man $25 for HIS COURTS MISTAKE.
I am going to change things, one way or another. I plan on picketing Warren Municipal Court and Trumbull Memorial Hospital, as well as the Warren PD. I should add Youngstown to my list for this kids sake. I can prove it, why don't you use your lawyer magic to get me access to the transcripts on that day and your proof will be in your hands.
And as for GB & DC. Don't you remember how the term Water-boarding got so popular? Don't you remember Cheney admitting on national television that they knew and supported torture. Of course they weren't convicted but despite the fact that we have a confession. I'm sure you think the torture was justified but I don't think you would support anyone water-boarding one of our own. Golden rule- do unto others, you don't seem to know that one.

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233clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

Fact : a thing done: as a absolete

3
: the quality of being actual
4
a : something that has actual existence
5
: a piece of information presented as having objective reality: in truth

These definitions are from Miriam Webster's site, I have omitted definitions irrelevant to this discussion.

Perhaps you are right they are more simple truths than actual stone cold facts, I will give you that, but I can provide testimony to anything that common sense doesn't cover. The "facts" I listed are actual reasonable conclusions that I don't see any one offering any reasonable argument with. Are you saying hospitals do not have cops in their pocket? Are you saying that you wouldn't consider virtually anyone who came into your house and pointed a gun at your family for doing something they do everyday a terrorist? Are you saying that a cop will not kill someone over something as minor as a seat belt on noise infraction? You cannot justify your sadist lifestyle by picking apart my statements. I am not perfect, and I am not a great writer, what I am is less of a criminal than you. The state of Ohio and thus the officers in it are not abiding by the fourth amendment, as they cannot come up with a good reason for seat belt laws, the drug war, property taxes, or the swelling of our penil system. Your semantics bore me. Our legal system is in place to protect people, not control people. It currently cannot even protect its citizens from the ones charged to protect them.

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234clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

Hi...I am clems. wife and I alone should be proof enough that our current legal system DOES NOT WORK...If it did I would not be in my position without needed health care and jailed for a resisting arrest charge when every other charge was thrown out the window. So WHY did they arrest me? I still do not know. If you, or anyone who wants to dispute that I am wrong, then I would refure you to the evidence of my court case and how the hosp. is aloud to refuse treatment if they don't like you just by saying you are trespassing on their property and they simply do not want to treat you. How is this possible...I thought hosp.s. were PUBLIC property....And even if they are not I thought ALL PEOPLE,NO MATTER RACE RELIGON,SEX ORIENTATION OR FINANCIAL ABILITY HAS THE RIGHT TO PROPER HEALTHCARE. i MEAN...THAT'S WHY PEOPLE DIE TRYING TO GET HERE RIGHT?.....FREEDOM? WHAT IS FREEDOM WORTH IF YOU CAN NOT LIVE TO ENJOY IT BECAUSE YOU DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE PROPER HEALTHCARE?....

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235joe1616(52 comments)posted 4 years ago

"OK plain and simple the fourth amendment says we are protected from unreasonable search and seizure, so if you cannot think of a good reason I am hurting you, you have no right to tell me to wear a seat belt. The law should not be in existence for that exact reason."

Getting a citation is not an unreasonable search or seizure. I am an attorney, so I can assure you that. I am done responding, your comments are too idiotic.

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236Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years ago

"The "facts" I listed are actual reasonable conclusions that I don't see any one offering any reasonable argument with."

No there not, there opinions. And what is there to argue about? There not "facts". It's he said, she said. There are 2 sides to every story. And were only hearing yours.

"The law should not be in existence for that exact reason."

Well it is, and until it changes, suck it up like the rest of the citizens that want to stay out of trouble with the law.

"If I do not pay the ticket, stop driving, allow them to take me to jail, If I defend my self and "resist arrest" they will most definitely get violent."

What normal person wouldn't get violent. If you went to a bar and some guy was hitting on your wife, and you told him to stop, and he kept doing it only more ignorantly, what would you do? Smile and buy him a drink?

"They will not even stop at shooting me to subdue me. (over a seatbelt)...."

Again, show me ONE time this happened? Because it never did.
In case your didn't click on the links, read how some of these officers got KILLED by useless cockroaches that there trying to protect you from.
http://www.odmp.org/
http://www.nleomf.com/
http://www.aphf.org/memorial.html

"Yes I have a HUGE problem with cops supplementing their income aiding people in breaking the law, or enforcing it only for the side that paid them. Why wouldn't I? "

Again, your little story is he said, she said. 2 sides, Remember? And you really shouldn't have a HUGE problem with someone trying to make extra money working a side job. Maybe you don't have money issues but you know, people do.

"I didn't have to spend so much time battling with cops in hospitals I would not have much interaction with cops at all."

My opinion, but it seems like you have a issue with ONE cop, who when is off-duty is NOT a cop but a regular citizen like me and you. Settle your differences and move on in life.

"I witnessed it. Judge Terry Ivanchek did so on 12/31/09, the same day he told a man "You did nothing wrong and I am throwing your case out of court.. but you will have to pay $25 to get your license reinstated. (please see my previous posts for the full story) He does not even understand that his job is to make sure the innocent ARE NOT punished, yet he charged a man $25 for HIS COURTS MISTAKE. "

2 sides to every story, remember that.

"And as for GB & DC............."

Your quote: ""Here is another fact: George Bush and Dick Cheney are war criminals.""

I'm still waiting for the link to where they were charged as war criminals. So it's not a fact.

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237Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years ago

"Hi...I am clems. wife and I alone should be proof enough that our current legal system DOES NOT WORK.."

I could reply like your hubby did to the police officers wife, but I'm not that shallow.

From your hubby:

"Here are some facts for the cops wife- He writes seatbelt tickets and he is part of the drug war. These two facts are enough for cops to be called pigs."

""Lady I don't feel bad for you or your misguided husband.""
(So why should we feel bad for you?)

""Your husband should not be allowed to have a gun if he thinks he can put it to my head because I won't turn my music down, or put on my seatbelt.""

""I have seen the cops wife post up here, wonder where he is? Probably enjoying his time off. Bet he still gets free doughnuts.""

Nice hubby you have there......

""....what I am is less of a criminal than you.""

How do you know that? You don't know me at all and you can say that. Wow that is amazing.

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238pens(20 comments)posted 4 years ago

Clem... If this is such the clear case of "POLICE BRUTALITY" as you say it is... Where is Cory right now? Where is HIS side of the story? If such the clear case you say it is...why isn't it all over the news day in and day out? Remember that case of the Warren cop tased that lady? It was all over the news every single day for months... why not in this case??? Where is Cory's side of the story? I can help you with that answer...he has no case! Plain and simple he screwed up and has nothing to say... I mean if all your BS is true...he'd be all over the news with his story of how he was brutally shot by a trigger happy cop for just playin he music loud....gimme a break man!!!

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239pens(20 comments)posted 4 years ago

Hey bluetickrick... First off, go learn ya some english!!

Where are all these witnesses?? Probably 20 more drunk,under age kids!?!

So you know 3 more people this officer choked huh? I'm sure they weren't doing anything but minding their own business. Or maybe they were just listening to their music to loudly??
Kids have no respect for authority,teachers and even their own parents...because they know they can get away with what they do because they say " You can't touch me! I can do what I want!" Well in my opinion (this is MY opinion) figures of authority should have more power.... People should FEAR the consequences if they do something wrong! These young punks should start recieving an ass whoopin!

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240clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

Taking someones money for not wearing a seat belt is an unreasonable seizure. Get the point. Seat belt laws are prohibited by the fourth amendment. As I stated before unless you have a damn good reason that I am hurting you by not wearing a seat belt then seizing my money or freedom is unreasonable.
I am less of a criminal than you are because I am willing to let people live in peace whereas you want to control people and force them to live as you see fit. I'll say it again, the only time violence is acceptable is in self defense, Period.
Sir or madam, you are no better than Muslims who force their women to cover their faces in public, unreasonably.
ONCE AGAIN Cheney admitted to having knowledge and giving orders to torture enemy prisoners. This is wrong as we would not want to be treated that way ourselves. We also would not want to be invaded for the fact that we have nuclear weapons. What don't you understand about the golden rule?? Its a pretty basic concept. Do unto others moron, I'll repeat it 1000 time until you get the point.

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241pens(20 comments)posted 4 years ago

Clem... I think its YOU who are not getting the point... LAWS are made to be followed. You break them and you WILL pay plain and simple. You don't wear your seatbelt..thats fine by me,its your choice...get caught and you will pay! I don't wear my seatbelt either...but in the end I DO understand that if I get pulled over and get caught I will pay the fine. Not sure if you if you're understanding the point

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242clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

NO MORON IT IS NOT MY CHOICE THERE IS A LAW AGAINST IT. WTF is wrong with you. Why can't you understand that our founding fathers made the bill of rights to stop laws like this from being made. Its simply that wearing a seat belt is so common sense that people can't see that the law was made so that the state could make more money. I seem to be overwhelming some of you so I am going to shorten my posts. Please someone respond to this one point.

It is a conflict of interest when a hospital pays on officer as the officer then only defends the rights of the hospital without question. They ignore patients when they claim their rights have been violated. I have had security at hospitals admit this fact. Please someone tell me how this is untrue. I mean, tell me how it is NOT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

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243walter_sobchak(1914 comments)posted 4 years ago

clem,

GET SOME HELP!

Laws in our Republic are made ostensibly, to protect the general public interest. We try to strike some balance.You don't have to wear a seat belt in your car, but you must if you operate the car on a public road. Seat belts are common snese, correct? But, at one time they were an option in cars, not required equipment. We establish standards to protect the citizens. What about child labor laws? What does it hurt me if a kid works in a coal mine?

Your statements that soldiers are terrorists amuses me. War is ugly business, always has been and it always will be. Unfortuantely, you want our soldiers to fight politically correct battles while the enemy hides behind the shield of women and children. But, I suppose you would decry our military if they were to carpet-bomb the areas and kill all these people. You know, there was a reason Truman selected the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, two cities with little military or strategic value. He demonstrated our might and what we could do to anyone. Didn't take long for the surrender to happen and for our military to occupy Japan. Now, Japan is one of our biggest allies, so to speak.

But, we are off of the main topic. Cory, young and foolish, put himself in a horrible situation and he now knows that breaking the laws has consequences. Nothing good happens after midnight. Underage drinking, violating the noise ordinance, not obeying a law enforcement officer, alledgely hittng the officer with his vehicle, trying to flee while the officer was holding on to his vehicle. Well, one things for sure, he will have a visible scar to remind him not to put himself in dangerous situations and always obey the law. And, if you don't like or agree with a law, try to change it but don't disobey it.

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244pens(20 comments)posted 4 years ago

Clem... You are the MORON! I'm really getting a laugh from you idiocy! Your taking this topic way off course. Cory broke several laws...all by his CHOICE...he chose to drink underage,he chose to hit a police officer with his car,he chose NOT to obey the officer's request to turn his music down and he chose to keep driving his car even after being shot! and you have the gull to say WTF is wrong with me... please don't shorten your posts... just stop posting all together..you have nothing to add to this topic other than proving your an idiot that needs some mental attention! :-)

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245clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

One more time Morons- Please respond to this directly-
It is a conflict of interest when a hospital pays on officer as the officer then only defends the rights of the hospital without question. They ignore patients when they claim their rights have been violated. I have had security at hospitals admit this fact. Please someone tell me how this is untrue. I mean, tell me how it is NOT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

I make this statement to illustrate how cops abuse their power as I feel was done in this (cory's) case.

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246pens(20 comments)posted 4 years ago

Clem... your conflict of interest claim,true or untrue, has absolutely no bearing on this topic..PERIOD!! The officer DID NOT abuse his power! Where is your proof this had happened??? Your mental problem is blocking your basic skill to comprehend... Cory broke the law...no ifs,ands,or buts about it... it doesnt get any more simple than that!

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247MVP(67 comments)posted 4 years ago

People who know they are wrong resort to name-calling and badgering so Clem, take a deep breath and admit that you really don't know what you are talking about and are only using this public forum to vent your frustration over some security guard at a hospital being rude to you. Your grand illusion that you are going to change the world by picketing TMH is beyond laughable.

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248blkpride(186 comments)posted 4 years ago

Clem,

Wear your seat belt! Because if you don't and you and your wife get ejected through your windshield you send Obama to unlawfully search and seize my bank account to pay for your medical bills that you can't pay for. Put that in your pipe and smoke it you fn hippie!

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249clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

Finally someone tried to justify seat belt laws with the only logical argument and that is health care, but last time I checked not everyone that had a drivers license had government funded health care. That is Canada. If that were the case I would have much less of a problem. For the last time I do wear my seat belt, I am simply bitter of the fact that you think you have the right to force me to. It is common sense to not do back flips on a 2x4 but people have EVERY right to do so even if they injure themselves. Its called gymnastics. People get hurt doing a lot of stuff and we can't fine them for it because it is their freedom.
Here is the issue people, we are allowing cops to be extremists. The will kill you over the most minor of crimes if you dare tell them how f'd up they are for trying to enforce such screwed up laws. I have personally had cops pull charges out of their ass after threatening to arrest me simply because I told them they had to tell me what law I broke before they could place me under arrest. Perhaps I do not have that right, but I should. That is how this is relevant. Police today have lost all respect for the citizens they are paid to serve. Just like hookers they follow the $$$.

I have asked before and I'll ask again- Where is the source showing that he was drinking? I see here form the story police reports say he pointed the car at the officer. Cops lie in their reports all the time. I know this for a fact. Maybe all of them don't, but MANY of them do. I also see witnesses posting here saying that the cop tried to drag him out of the car because he refused to turn his music down. The extremest cop shot him for it. In my personal experience there is more honor amongst thieves than there is truth in cops statements. I can't say for sure as I was not there, but I just have a feeling that the boy got far worse than he deserves. Still not one going to come to the aid of the cops and try to justify what they are doing, just keep trash talking. I almost can't wait until China takes us over for not paying them back, at least communists won't lie to us and tell us we are free when we are not. With lawyers like you guys on the bar, it is no wonder we have the worlds largest prison population. Nope nothing wrong here.

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250clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

And one last little bit in response to MVP- No I probably can't change TMH by picketing as $5 says some terrorist cops will arrest me since I am planning on protesting them breaking the law there.

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251Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years ago

clem

"I am less of a criminal than you are because I am willing to let people live in peace whereas you want to control people and force them to live as you see fit."

Don't make sense dude. I never in my life tried to control or force someone to do something against there will. If you have no order in todays society how in the world can people live in peace??

"Taking someones money for not wearing a seat belt is an unreasonable seizure."

Is it? Well it's the law as of now, and until it changes, you have to obey it, plain and simple. You said you always wear your seatbelt so why worry about what other people do?

"ONCE AGAIN Cheney admitted to having knowledge and giving orders to torture enemy prisoners."

You said it was a FACT they were a war criminal. You still haven't proved it.

"This is wrong as we would not want to be treated that way ourselves."

Are you that naive?? Do you think our enemies treat our prisoners like there at a 5 star hotel??? Get real dude.

"NO MORON IT IS NOT MY CHOICE THERE IS A LAW AGAINST IT. "

You have every RIGHT to NOT wear your seatbelt. That is your FREEDOM. If you don't you pay a fine. So don't say you don't have rights, because you do. Laws are made for a reason, to provide some kind of order and putting on a seatbelt is no big deal. Until they change it, live with it. Always have to complain about everything.

"It is a conflict of interest when a hospital pays on officer as the officer then only defends the rights of the hospital without question."

And the security person defends the rights of the building hes working at and the security person at a concert defends the company he's working for, and on and on. That is why you have security in the first place, to protect. Real simple.

"They ignore patients when they claim their rights have been violated. I have had security at hospitals admit this fact. "

There security for the hospital not men of law enforcement. Call the police department or hospital spokesperson or a lawyer if rights were violated not a security person at a hospital. Everything is a FACT when you comment, lmfao.

"Please someone tell me how this is untrue."

It's untrue.

"Cops lie in their reports all the time. I know this for a fact."

There you go with your FACTS again. Witnesses lie, judges lie, sure people you know lie, the whole world lies, so what else is new? If something don't go your way it's a lie huh? But if it does go your way it's true. Get real dude.

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252clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

I am not suggesting anarchy, but if you support seat belt laws or a cop that puts his hands on a citizen for a noise violation, than you sound like a bit of a control freak to me.
I am still waiting for you to give me a good reason that the state (which is a collection of its citizens) should be able to make such a law (unless a citizen is being wronged). Such a law is in direct conflict with the definitions of freedom, liberty and free will, and as I mentioned the fourth amendment.
As far as your proof that Cheney is a war criminal, HE ADMITTED TO IT. That is all the proof I need in a court, all I need is to know where to file the charges.
Are you seriously trying to say I have the right to break the law? I won't even bother commenting on that.
Now for the torture- You seriously want to stoop to their level? That is why I said, you are no better than the Taliban as you will resort to the same barbaric practices. I'll repeat- Golden Rule, Do unto others, two wrongs don't make a right. You must have been raised without manners, and you are the reason things like 9/11 are bound to continue.
As far as your comment regarding security. You are right that anyone has the right to hire people to guard their property and rights. The fact is that is exactly what cops are paid to do for EVERYONE EQUALLY. I have witnessed police aiding hospitals (and corporations) in breaking the law, even ones that were not on the clock of the hospital. They seemed to be complete experts on the rights of the hospital, but couldn't seem to think of a single right the patient had. Police officers took an oath to uphold the law, not just when they are on the city/states clock, but all the time. If they help a individual or corporation commit a crime, they cannot hide behind supplementing their income. They should face consequences. It is called taking a bribe and it against the law, isn't it lawyer?
I have had hospital security tell me they are off duty police, so your comment about "There security for the hospital not men of law enforcement" holds no water. And many of the things I say are facts, are because I have witnessed it.
Finally, you are right, everybody lies, but when most people lie on the job, they get fired.
You know what, we both know we are not going to change one another's minds. I'll see you in the next civil war, you can be the south.

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253Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years ago

""....but if you support seat belt laws or a cop that puts his hands on a citizen for a noise violation, than you sound like a bit of a control freak to me."

I could care less what other people do, I wear my seatbelt because I want to, and besides it's a state law. It's called following orders, and I would venture to guess you never were in the military, where discipline is the rule not the exception. The way you come off is "your always right and every else is wrong. Life don't work like that, people are going to complain about something but who are you to say your right?
And as far as your stupid comment on someone putting hands on someone for a noise violation, once again, follow orders, not to difficult and avoids alot of confrontation. Where did it get good ole boy Corey?

"As far as your proof that Cheney is a war criminal, HE ADMITTED TO IT."

Admitted what? He's a war criminal? You said it was a "FACT" he WAS a war criminal. I still haven't seen any court documents stating he was convicted of that FACT.
Heres a link of Convicted War Criminals for your enjoyment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...

"Now for the torture- You seriously want to stoop to their level? "

Who said that?

"That is why I said, you are no better than the Taliban as you will resort to the same barbaric practices."

What barbaric practices have I resorted to?

"You must have been raised without manners, and you are the reason things like 9/11 are bound to continue. "

Actually I have superb manners. And I'm the reason for 9/11??? You really do need help, seriously.

"I have witnessed police aiding hospitals (and corporations) in breaking the law, even ones that were not on the clock of the hospital."

Do you actually stalk out hospitals and corporations?? Or did one security officer not let you get your way??

"I have had hospital security tell me they are off duty police, so your comment about "There security for the hospital not men of law enforcement" holds no water."

When there off the clock they are private citizens holding a second job dude.

"Finally, you are right, everybody lies, but when most people lie on the job, they get fired."

Do they?? But only when there caught though, huh.

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254pens(20 comments)posted 4 years ago

Whats funny here is that 'ol Clem has a sour taste in his mouth because him AND his wife were both WRONGLY arrested for just minding their own business...yeah OK... I'm not sure how we got on the subject of wearing your seatbelt,Chaney being a war criminal,barbaric war tactics..whatever... this whole situation escalated because of ONE and ONE reason alone. CORY disobeyed a direct order from a police officer.PLAIN and SIMPLE! Again I ask you Clem... where is Cory?...what is his side of the story?...if he was so brutally attacked over just a loud radio,why isn't this all over the news?...wouldn't you think he would be talking to anyone and everyone who would listen??? I'm not seeing anything on the news form him or his family...you know why??? He made a choice that night and it was the wrong one!

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255pens(20 comments)posted 4 years ago

Clem..You keep spouting out all these "FACTS"..where are the facts? Your second post here you attack Officer Chance and his wife both... where do you get off attacking his wife? You also state in that same post that the FACTS are that Chance writes speeding tickets and is part of the drug war...where are these facts.. you say thats enough to call him a PIG??? really?? IMO you lost all credibality in that single post! Maybe others could have stooped to your level and started jumping all over your wife..would that make you feel better?.... these are the FACTS... You admitted here that you were arrested..your wife admitted she was arrested. So now I know why your are attacking the police and making excuses for Cory... its one criminal supporting another!!! When you have some real facts relevant to this topic..please by all means...share them!

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256clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

You are right I was not in the military, because I have diabetes and the fact that our military is utilized for more offensive missions than defensive. Torture is against international law, so I have all the proof I need in he admittance.
How can this be a free country if I am required to follow orders from cops? Sure I should have to listen to them when they are making reasonable request while defending someone else's rights.
America has resorted to barbaric terrorist practices and citizens like you are why they are getting away with it. If you have such great manners you would not support our troops pointing guns a women and children.
The last time I was terrorized by police, all I wanted to do is LEAVE A HOSPITAL without signing a paper relinquishing the hospital of liability. If I do not have the right to say that a doctor will not put his hands on me or my wife again and simply want to leave, but cops and security guards are going to violently stop me, then they abusing my freedom.
I attacked his wife? She's not in the hospital, and it was in response to her whining about how she has to sit at home and fret over her husbands safety.
You (life2short and pens) live in a country that houses %25 of the worlds prisoners, but claim this is a free country? Something doesn't add up. Any cop willing to work in such a corrupt system has mental problems (as do I, I know).
If they are off the clock then how do they still have all the power and privileges they have when they are on. If I defend myself from a off duty police officer working as a security guard for a hospital that is breaking the law, I am charged with assaulting an officer. So no they do not have the right to work as private security if they are going to ignore my rights (which they took and oath to uphold).
Disobeyed a direct order from a cop, you have no clue what freedom is do you?

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257pens(20 comments)posted 4 years ago

You keep stressing FREE COUNTRY! No matter what country you live in there are LAWS to protect and to keep order. Police officers are hired to uphold these laws. There is a law against loud music PERIOD...what part don't you understand?. Cory wasn't ticketed for loud music..he was just asked to turn it down... He didn't.... So why didnt he just turn the music down and leave..all would probably have ended like any other nite...but he didn't. if he felt so strongly about his loud music...turn it up once you left the property... I guess there is no use in arguing any more with you because you are right and everyone else is wrong.... I'm just waiting on the outcome so this all can be laid to rest!

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258pens(20 comments)posted 4 years ago

"I attacked his wife? She's not in the hospital, and it was in response to her whining about how she has to sit at home and fret over her husbands safety."

Refer back to post #221 if you don't remember! Whining??? She had one lone post on here about seeing her side and she's whining??..... maybe reread your posts here and see YOU are the one whining! Put yourself in someone elses shoes especially some of the spouses of police officers. They go out day in and day out protecting you and me for the little paychecks that they get. Maybe instead of whining and name calling...get out and change it! There are men and women serving you and your country everyday so you can go to sleep at night in your comfy bed and get up and go about your daily business. If you don't like it here in the good 'ol USA then pack you're bags and get the F*** out! There is not a LAW keeping you here...

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259walter_sobchak(1914 comments)posted 4 years ago

clem,

You have to obey the cops because (now sit down, shoot up, and listen) we are a nation of laws, you must obey the law, cops are law enforcement officers and take an oath to uphold the law. You see? This is called logic.

As far as your hospital experience, I believe when you check into a hospital your entire health record should be open to the medical profession for their safety. If you have hepatitis, AIDS, VD, etc., precautions need to be taken to protect the livelihood of the health care professionals that are trying to help you. So, you went into a hospital for medical care, are not happy and merely want to leave when it may not be safe for you. Sorry, you should be forced to sign documents that you are ignoring sound medical advice and hold harmless the people that are trying to help you. My spouse, who is an RN, years ago had to give testimony in a court case involving a man that came to the hospital under house medical (free care), was treated, discharged with medicine, developed an infection because he didn't take the medicine and croaked. So the drs. and hospital had to defend themselves in a negligence suit.

Sometimes you just can't protect people from their own stupidity and, I think, you know who you are!

BTW, has the young and foolish Cory healed from his wounds from when justice was inflicted on him?

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260Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years ago

"The last time I was terrorized by police, all I wanted to do is LEAVE A HOSPITAL without signing a paper relinquishing the hospital of liability. "

Patients are free to leave the hospital whenever they choose, but if they leave, they are required to sign a form telling them of the potential risks they are taking and that should any adverse events occur because of their premature leaving, all hospital personnel involved in the care and the hospital as a whole are not responsible.
Dude sign the paper or are you looking for a quick easy way to make money by suing the Hospital???? Just like good ole boy Corey, turn down the music and everyone goes home peacefully. Called law and order not that difficult is it?

"How can this be a free country if I am required to follow orders from cops? "

Are you really serious??? Move to another country then. Name ONE country that don't have laws. Believe it or not, even Somali has law enforcements.

"....I was terrorized by police"
"....but cops and security guards are going to violently stop me, then they abusing my freedom."

Terrorized, Violently.....what did they do, yell at you??? Give me a break! If a "security guard" at a hospital had to call the police because of you then it's more then what your saying. Get real.

"You (life2short and pens) live in a country that houses %25 of the worlds prisoners, but claim this is a free country?"

Its NOT? Humor me and tell me why it's not a Free country? Because a security guard and hospital are trying to protect liabilities?? It's procedure just as I'm sure you would have a contract written up to protect you. Seriously dude, move to another Country or visit another country and then you'll see what Freedom is about.

"....So no they do not have the right to work as private security if they are going to ignore my rights"

Uh so YES they do have every RIGHT to work a second job. Are you really that dense?

"If you have such great manners you would not support our troops pointing guns a women and children. "

You want Freedom??? And did I say anywhere I support the War? Uh, nope. Take it up with the Government, not the people.

"Disobeyed a direct order from a cop, you have no clue what freedom is do you?"

Oh I know what freedom is, IMHO You don't and you never will if that is your thinking. Unreal.

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261shortee15(10 comments)posted 4 years ago

clem- "...support our troops pointing guns a women and children."
So, did you witness this or is it just another one of your "FACTS"? If you don't like living amongst us terrorists, maybe you should move in with Al Quaeda. Maybe they'll give you a hug and tell you you're the victim you apparently want to be. And I'm sure they have great manners. My brother was in Iraq and the people there thanked him for protecting them from Al Quaeda.

You are delusional and your views and disrespect for police officers and their families... sickening.

So do you plan on picketing before or after your stay in the psych ward? You may have some free time in there, so take a book... perhaps the Ohio Revised Code. Be sure to stop back and let us all know how it goes.

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262clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

While there are many differences from what happened to me and this story- this is a prime example of what I am objecting to. Police abusing their power
http://www2.nbc4i.com/news/2010/sep/0...

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263clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

Correction: In this story, there is nothing showing that the security guards were cops, but they could have been, so save your semantics. Hope you get the point. This type of thing cannot be allowed to happen, but it does far too often. These security guards belong in prison. I am still waiting for you guys to show me where Cory broke other laws besides the noise ordinance.

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264pens(20 comments)posted 4 years ago

Go back to post #45 and read the police report... that will show you all you need.. What I am still waiting for is why you keep bringing up off duty police officers working elsewhere to supplement their income...how is this relevant to this case????

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265clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

I believe the witness reports over the police reports and it is relevant to this case because we are allowing (not that this is anything new) police to behave like terrorists.

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266JME(801 comments)posted 4 years ago

Clem,

I think everyone has pretty much written you off as a nut case.
Maybe you should move to another country since you don't like this one very much.

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267clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

I'm a nut case? I'm not the one shooting people, or defending such violent actions. I would rather be a hippie nut case than a sadist. You have to be a little bit crazy to think you have the right to shoot someone for non violent crimes.
I can already hear you talking about how he "used his car as a weapon", but as I said, I believe the person who said the cop tried to drag him out of the car for not turning down his radio.

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268pens(20 comments)posted 4 years ago

So where are the witness reports then? I haven't seen any people come forward or see any news reports with any witness interviews... and I guessed you would believe the criminal over the law! Maybe if people like you wouldn't break the law then the police wouldn't have to have been there at all! I think we can take up a collection to get you a ticket on the first plane out of the US to the country of your choice...maybe then you can learn the true meaning of a terrorist! Get some help man!

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269pens(20 comments)posted 4 years ago

Funny you just ommit all the other things Cory did that night and just choose the loud radio part...what a joke! What gave Cory the right to run into the officer with his car.... matter of fact ...he STILL took off even after being shot and had to be chased down! I'm sure he had the right to run...correct??

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270Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years ago

"I believe the witness reports over the police reports"

I hope you are never ever on a jury. And if you ever get called for it, you better tell them straight up your thinking, because you can send a innocent person away or even death. That is scary.

"I am still waiting for you guys to show me where Cory broke other laws besides the noise ordinance."

Well, I'm sure there will be a court date and charges filed. Have to wait and see now won't you.
The preliminary charges are Cory be charged with felonious assault and resisting arrest.

And your news article is about ONE "Security Guard", a idiot that deserves to be put away, but on the other hand...

http://www.campussafetymagazine.com/C...

http://www.hcpro.com/HOM-206651-1423/...

http://articles.mcall.com/keyword/sec...

http://www.azcentral.com/community/sc...

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271clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

To Pens: Post #208
Lifes2shirt: You will never hear me say that cops (or security) are not necessary or that cops do not do many, many good things. However that does not justify all the wrong they do and the laws they break. There is something SERIOUSLY wrong with our justice system (I will bring up the statistics regarding our prison population again) and police are an integral cog in the machine.
I actually think quite often about moving to Iran so I can help them defend themselves when we invade them. Go ahead tell me how much worse my life would be in Iran, I already know.
I am also not saying that what terrorists from other countries do is right, but we cannot keep using their evil actions to justify our own. We are supposed to be better than that.

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272JME(801 comments)posted 4 years ago

Alright, I'm going to have to throw the penalty flag on anyone who addresses Clem from this point forward.

This is getting too painful.

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273Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years ago

clem1inf :
"I'm a nut case?"

OK, if you say so !

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274JME(801 comments)posted 4 years ago

Stan, your exempt on this one since you posted at the same time.

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275pens(20 comments)posted 4 years ago

I'm sorry JME...but I'm having too much fun with this nut job! So I will take a penalty for this one :-)

Clem... reread post 208... that guy doesn't state anywhere that he was there.. so he's spouting off unprovable facts like you are..read where he said Cory was shot at MANY times...haha.. one shot was fired..so another one of your FACTS shot down...care to try again?...nope,never mind.. I don't want to get another penalty flag. Have fun in Iran!!

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276clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

JME: Threaten anyone that address me. Granted it is a completely meaningless threat, but that shows your mindset. Throw all the penalty flag you want buddy.

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277onthetown(254 comments)posted 4 years ago

Per Chief of Police Jimmy Hughes, they were hoping to complete the investigations by the "end of the week" - which would have been August 28.

http://www.vindy.com/news/2010/aug/22...

We're almost a month out - and have not seen any further information/investigation released to the public.

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278knowyourfactsfirst(1 comment)posted 4 years ago

I Know Officer Chance and his wife personally. I am glad to report Officer Chance has been cleared and is back at work as I am writting this. This is fact people, it will soon make the headlines, i am sure. Charges being filed on Timmings is unknown, but Officer Phil Chance has been cleared of the shoot and is back to work as of tonight. Good Luck to him and is family,my prayers are with you.

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279clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

I am also glad officer Chance has been cleared of wrong doing. I am so glad I can sleep at night without all these punk kids playing their damn loud stereos at night. Freaking punks need to do what they are told and obey. Weather it is Teachers, Cops, Judges, Preachers, they need to do what they are ordered without question. Questioning authority has NO place in America. That is not what our country was founded on. It is so pathetic that citizens do not listen to orders from cops, especially these punk kids. That kid deserves to die for not doing what he was told.

Is this post better guys??? Is this what a citizen should think? Does it make me sound less CRAZY??!?!?!?!?!?! Yeah guys take a look at the condition this country is in and tell me I'm the one that is crazy. I suppose it is all the fault of us young punks. Yeah we have been voting for a long time.

"I've been told with old age comes wisdom, but I've found with old age comes.... OLD AGE." (sage francis) Cops today (or at least as long as I have been alive) do not behave in a manner that deserves respect. All you freedom haters can rejoice as I will stop posting. I have bigger plans and better things to do with my time.

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280Rokscout(310 comments)posted 4 years ago

Good riddance LOSER, see ya in Iran if I'm lucky enough. Welcome back officer Chance, go get 'em.

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281Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years ago

"Freaking punks need to do what they are told and obey."
"It is so pathetic that citizens do not listen to orders from cops, especially these punk kids."
"I suppose it is all the fault of us young punks."

Now your getting the idea.

"Questioning authority has NO place in America."

You can question authority all you want. That is your rights. That is why you have courts and judges. That is why you can have your day in court. Called Freedom. Try doing that in a 3rd World country and you could be stoned to death.

"That kid deserves to die for not doing what he was told."

I wouldn't go there dude. And sad as it may seem he could've died for not doing what he was told. Would it have been worth it for him to die over this? Not quite. Was it stupid on his part. Yep.

"Does it make me sound less CRAZY??!?!?!?!?!?! "

Nope, your still crazy.

"Yeah guys take a look at the condition this country is in and tell me I'm the one that is crazy."

Your crazy.

"Cops today (or at least as long as I have been alive) do not behave in a manner that deserves respect."

You haven't been alive long. You want to change the world and it won't happen. Try to be respectful and quit the hating and maybe people will take you seriously.

"I have bigger plans and better things to do with my time."

I really hope it's Iran or any other country and then you will realize what Freedom is all about. If that is what it takes you'll learn the hard way.

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282pens(20 comments)posted 4 years ago

Bye Bye Clem...send us a postcard from Iran :-) Once the whole report is released and all the charges are brought forward maybe..maybe you will see it just wasn't loud music! Nah..you still won't see it..Glad you'll be back to work Officer Chance! Prayers are with ya bro!!!

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283clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

Ha ha! I lied just like cops do in their reports. (About not posting again)

You wanted proof that Cheney and Bush are ware criminals- This story displays it better than I could write it. Should I obey direct orders from the VP or Pres without question the way you seem to think I should cops? The answer is No, as just because someone is given power does not make them automatically justified in using it (which is obviously the case with Chance.)

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com...

Hey Rokscout: Do you seriously think we have justification to invade Iran? For trying to make nuclear weapons? Like the ones we MAKE HERE? I would say I'm not the crazy one here but Lifes2short with copy my post and say "yes you are" If waterboarding is ok then you guys would have no problem with them doing it to our soldiers, RIGHT???

And one more thing, Lifes2short: Didn't you note the SARCASM in my post, you really are as dense as a redwood. I might be a little crazy, but not in comparison to you.

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284clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

You know a good doc, MLC75? I don't think any psychiatrist will be able to help me accept the condition/direction of our country/state/city. I'll say it again, I might be crazy but not half as crazy as people who ignore the Golden Rule.

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285JME(801 comments)posted 4 years ago

It's official Clem, you and the other Cory supporters are idiots.

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286clem1inf(41 comments)posted 4 years ago

Well as long as it is official. Thanks for your opinion.
I think it takes an idiot to think that the police can competently police themselves, is it so hard to believe that a cop would lie to cover up his actions?
I really want to hear Cory's side of the story. I think I will pay a visit to the bar and see if I can talk to any witnesses, maybe they will back up the cop, maybe not.
You seem to forget that the altercation began with him trying to give a citizen an order. I know there is a noise ordinance, but the fact remains that Cory wasn't hurting anybody with loud music. Don't cops have more important things to worry about? It is funny (and seems a bit crazy) to me that you can sleep well at night while our brave men and women are fighting unjustified wars but can't sleep with loud music coming from a night club parking lot. Seriously, that cop needs to get his priorities strait. Loud music in a night club parking lot, what a crime. Yup that is what our country was founded on, following orders from a government official. I'll say it again, you guys are sadists.

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287Lifes2Short(3877 comments)posted 4 years ago

"You wanted proof that Cheney and Bush are ware criminals"

Were they convicted? Simple Yes or No would be significant.

"And one more thing, Lifes2short: Didn't you note the SARCASM in my post, you really are as dense as a redwood."

Oh, was that what it was. Thought maybe you finally came to your senses. lmfao.

"I might be a little crazy, but not in comparison to you."

A little crazy? You might want to reword that.

Yep, were all crazy in one way or another, but you are crazy - mentally. You really should seek professional help.

"I know there is a noise ordinance, but the fact remains that Cory wasn't hurting anybody with loud music."

It's the LAW enforced by the Police, don't matter if Cory was hurting anyone besides his hearing, and what about him trying to hurt a Police Officer. That is okay?

"Don't cops have more important things to worry about?"

Yes protecting you from the criminals everyday and keeping law and order. Something you have no clue about.

"I'll say it again, you guys are sadists."

Do you even know the meaning of the word?

"Yup that is what our country was founded on, following orders from a government official."

I hope your wife visits you in prison the day you go totally wacko.

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288blkpride(186 comments)posted 4 years ago

Clem,

I will buy your one way ticket to Iran. I will even drop you off at the airport. I would love to see your hypocritical arse on the business end of a US Marine or US Army Soldier.

Blkpride!

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289pindrop(21 comments)posted 4 years ago

Too many comments to comment... Officer Chance was acting courageously and should be commended. How often can you say that about Youngstown Police patrol... I would have aimed for the thug's vitals.

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290blt2tzz(2 comments)posted 4 years ago

It's not a matter of just turning down the music. In that situation the cops need to be able to hear whats going on, not having the loud music interfere with the situation. Once the kid hit the cop with the car and continued to drive with the cop on the hood. The cop had every right to use deadly force!!!!

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291MrBill(43 comments)posted 4 years ago

It's too bad Officer Chance Missed.....

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29244509resident(46 comments)posted 3 years, 9 months ago

all i can do is LMMFAO @ all the comments. seems like Chance needs to take a shot at some of you or Cory use his car as a weapon again!

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