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Some want Ohio to also have tough immigration law



Published: Thu, April 29, 2010 @ 11:37 a.m.

COLUMBUS (AP) — A state lawmaker and an Ohio sheriff known for his tough stance against illegal immigrants say Ohio needs an immigration law like Arizona’s.

But Gov. Ted Strickland says if a bill reaches his desk, he’ll veto it.

In letters sent this week to Strickland and legislative leaders, Republican state Rep. Courtney Combs of Hamilton and Butler County Sheriff Rick Jones say illegal immigrants are destroying employment opportunities in Ohio.

The governor responds it would not be wise for Ohio to have something similar to the new Arizona law, which requires law enforcement officers to question people if there’s any suspicion about their immigration status.

Strickland said Wednesday that Ohio is not experiencing the “difficulties” Arizona seems to be experiencing.


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1ELVISNIXONdotCOM(10 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

Ohio needs laws to protect our jobs from cheap illegal alien labor.Ohio needs to deport all illegal alien criminals. The idea that these thugs are openly protesting in the streets is bad enough- the fact that Obama is INCITING riots with his race baiting language is dangerous.
Obama Inciting May Day Riots?
Brenda Walker does an outstanding job of pointing out that it is not "racism" or ignorance that spawned Arizona's law but violence- violence by ILLEGAL aliens against US citizens.

Our managed media seems to believe that murdering policemen and raping children as well as drunk driving on a massive scale do not warrant any mention in the news.

It is shocking how fearful the left pretends to be when it comes to flag waving tea partiers but how they themselves contribute to the prospects of a May Day Bloodbath:

A major reason for Arizona to legislate tougher tools for police to use against illegal foreigners has been the worsening crime due to open borders. But the corrupt media refuses to use the opportunity to expand on that subject and explain to the public at large that there illegal immigration is not a victimless crime.

The March murder of rancher Robert Krenz on his own land apparently by an illegal alien certainly caused a lot of outrage and fear in southern Arizona. However the liberal media generally has given the killing short shrift if they mention it at all.

There are many Americans injured and dead from violent attacks and automotive crashes that tough border protection and interior enforcement could have prevented.

In 2008, Gilbert high school student Kelly Tracy was killed in an auto collision with a previously arrested illegal alien. The killer, Manuel Contreras-Galdean, had good quality forged documents and police feared being accused of racial profiling if they inquired into his status.

In Chandler, residents were terrorized by a serial child rapist predator for over a year and half. Illegal alien Santana Batiz-Aceves was sentenced to 168 years in prison for six violent attacks, although it is believed he committed many more. The Chandler Rapist worked as a heavy equipment operator despite his prior felonies for drugs and burglary, as well as being deported three times.

The illegal Mexicans et al have been told for so long that it’s their right to rip off this country at will that many are furious at being thwarted. Corrupt partisans shouldn’t be egging them on for political gain when widespread violence is quite possible. Saturday is May Day, and riots could easily result because pandering politicians and media are painting illegal aliens as victims rather than as the lawbreakers they are.

http://elvisnixon.com/2010/04/28/obam...

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2georgejeanie(893 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

Get these illegals off the streets of our country. Send them back, put the military on the borders, and let them apply for entrance like our ancestors did. We are a land of laws, and this is progressiveness at its worst. Let our Border patrol and the military do their jobs and we all will be better off.

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3madasheck(64 comments)posted 4 years, 8 months ago

Tell me, why we need to make additional laws to allow law enforcment to enforce the law?????????

Illegal Alien is just that..... Illegal

The whole issue just confuses me..

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4StokeyBob(1 comment)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

The arresting of illegal invaders isn't tolerated but the shooting of Sheriff's Deputies is.

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5Dubsak20(1 comment)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

Simple.Throw Gov.Teddy out on his arse!

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6howardinyoungstown(591 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

Whether there are 12 million illegal immigrants or 20 million, my question is this, Which of you are going to scrub the toilets, change the sheets, wash the dishes, clean the grease traps and get up at 5am to work in the fields in the hot California, Arizona, Florida or Texas summers bending over and picking fruits and vegetables in fields covered in toxic pesticides, and all of this for minimum wage or less with no benefits, or would you be willing to send your children to do this work for the summers during high school and after they graduate for 2 full years.

To replace 12 million underpaid workers would require the establishment of a National Service Agency (mandatory 2 years of service for all high school graduates and drop outs at age 18) similar to the one instituted in the UK during World War II and only abolished (yes that word reminds us of slavery) in 1960. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscrip...)

Is this a solution you are willing to accept? If not, what is your alternative plan? are you going to get laid off auto workers to do those menial jobs for less than minimum wage? Are you going to get unemployed workers from the the East coast or Northern states to relocate to the South and West to work in the fields? What is your plan to replace those 12 to 20 million unskilled workers?

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7howardinyoungstown(591 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

Some have suggested that we kick all of the illegals out, and then end welfare programs and make those receiving welfare work or die. to them my question is this:

Which welfare programs would you end? Food Stamps? WIC? Social Security Retirement? Social Security Disability? Medicare? Medicaid? Unemployment benefits? General Assistance? Foster Children funding? K-12 Public Schools?

If we eliminate all of the freebies as you suggest, unemployment will go up, not down and even if you can get them to do those 12 to 20 million jobs, as there are far more than 20 million on welfare.

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8howardinyoungstown(591 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

A point I raised on another thread relating to immigration was that while the Tea Party and the Republicans make a loud noise about immigration reform in election years, they never actually do anything about it, as it is big business including hospitality, agriculture, construction, and oil drilling that benefit from the illegals being here, many of the same industries are very large contributors to conservative politicians and the GOP.

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9Lifes2Short(3878 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

""Which of you are going to scrub the toilets, change the sheets, wash the dishes, clean the grease traps and get up at 5am to work in the fields in the hot California, Arizona, Florida or Texas summers bending over and picking fruits and vegetables in fields covered in toxic pesticides, and all of this for minimum wage or less with no benefits....."

The same ones that lead a life of crime because they cry there are no jobs. If you want to work there are jobs such as these but to have them get off there behinds and actually work would be uncalled for on there end. If you want to be a productive member of society and such then you take these jobs, it's a start to better things, but it's beneath them to actually do something, like work, no matter what it is. So they rob, steal, do drugs, kill and collect there handouts each month and bi@3ch and moan there are no jobs.

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10Lifes2Short(3878 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

And about "history", it's OVER and done with, can't change it, can't do nothing about it so just MOVE on......geez.......

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11borylie(831 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

Ask a Hispanic,legal or illegal,what country do they love? Ask any legalized Hispanic why they became American and if this is now their country? Are all these Hispanic protesters protesting against the USA and our laws and customs so we can accomodate law breakers and their customs? Who's country is it?

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12howardinyoungstown(591 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

USA1 You and your comments are irrelevant, you are a coward, I have offered to meet with you in a public place to discuss things, I have given you my personal email to contact me and you have declined to respond. When will propose a viable option rather than ranting with your tea party rhetoric.

Going back to Europe is not an option or I would have done it years ago, they wont take us back unless we are millionaires. So come up with another idea.

And as for the Tea Party rallies, they are set up by supposed grass roots organizations that are all started and funded by the same group (you know which one) that is funded by corporate interests and religious fundamentalists.

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13Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

Lets eliminate their risks crossing into Los Estados Unidos . ANNEX MEXICO !

http://www.annexmexico.com/

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14Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

My solution is a viable one ! Most Mexicans on the border ( both sides )support this idea .

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15AtownParent(562 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

"Is this a solution you are willing to accept? If not, what is your alternative plan? are you going to get laid off auto workers to do those menial jobs for less than minimum wage? Are you going to get unemployed workers from the the East coast or Northern states to relocate to the South and West to work in the fields? What is your plan to replace those 12 to 20 million unskilled workers?"

So because we would have to replace those workers we should just ignore the fact that the law has been broken?

First, companies need to be held accountable for those below minimum wages. Second, people who are on welfare need to step up and earn their place in society. Make it a requirement to work these "lesser" jobs to keep receiving benefits. And last, we as Americans need to quit with the entitlement attitude. "Menial" jobs, HA, it's a J.O.B. A job doesn't make you less American or less human, it puts food on your table and a roof over your head. There is no shame in that.

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16howardinyoungstown(591 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

Simple solution make CEO's criminally responsible for the actions of their companies. If the CEO's know that they risk jail time by hiring illegals maybe they wont do it.

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17Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

I enjoy dining on stuffed pork chops . Yep, this is a stuffed animal !

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18cambridge(3107 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

There are a lot of different points being discussed here. Most of them don't have anything to do with each other.

First the situation of illegals doing jobs that Americans don't want. The employer is exploiting the illegals and Americans alike by paying substandard wages and often illegal working conditions, I'll say it again, prosecute the the employer. People on welfare should be put in two categories. Disabled and able. If you are on welfare and able and are offered the types of jobs discussed here and you refuse you lose your welfare.

Another thing being thrown about is that these illegals are a bunch of rapist murderers. The vast majority are just trying for a better life and are doing everything they can to fly under the radar. If any of you were in their position and had a chance to make it across the boarder for a better life you would do it in a minute. I know some of you would just sit there and complain about your life and how it's always someone else's fault just like you do now but many would opt for a chance at a better life.

The original point of the article is the Arizona law. The law is pure racial profiling. When my wife and were in Italy she made a comment. "all these people look like you". I just laughed but she was right. Now imagine that your an American citizen and from Hispanic decent. You can't help how you look even if you family has been here for the past few hundred years.

Now imagine if your that person, you walk outside your home to your car and a cop driving down your street asks for your ID. Your driving down the street to pick you kids up from school and you get pulled over and asked for your ID, You get to your kids school to pick him up and on the way back to the car a cop drives buy and asks you for you ID, when you get to his little league game and your walking to the field a cop drives by and asks for your ID. Get the picture? This law makes it possible for this to happen to this person seven days a week for the rest of his life. Anyone who doesn't see this law as racist is a racist.

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19borylie(831 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

Quail,you're dumber than sheep s**t. I have my opinions on where the Hispanic loyalty lies, but the question is for the Hispanics to answer, not me. You really think your smart, but you're nothing but an irrelevant liberal with no common sense. You don't think we have answers? How about Our Country The Great USA ships these law breakers back to where they came from,or lock them up for breaking our laws. Then in accordance with our laws allow them to enter our country legally, as we need them,not as they need us. Then,if they want to adopt our country as theirs,than they adopt our customs and laws. Their pledge of allegiance is to Our flag,Our country. Quit following your ignorant liberal bleeding hearts and think of your country first. Moron.

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20howardinyoungstown(591 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

I was just watching an interesting TV show on the History Channel about how the states got their shapes. It seems that New Mexico was forded from so that 90% of the people within its border where former Mexican citizens, spoke Spanish and that the states constitution is in both Spanish and English!
check out this link that explains it in detail:
http://academic.udayton.edu/race/02ri...

This seems to be a very strong legal precedent for bilingualism, and diversity.

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21Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

Yep, diversity is good !

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/militar...

"From the Halls of Montezuma, to the Shores of Tripoli."

The hymn's name, taken from its first verse, refers to two early and important battles that earned the Marines' distinction among the armed services. In 1805, following a war with Barbary Pirates, Marine Lieutenant Presely N. O'Bannon, along with a small force of Marines, helped capture Derne, near Tripoli. For the first time, they hoisted the American flag above a fortress of the Old World. Following this victory, the Marine Corps' colors were inscribed with the words "To the shores of Tripoli." Then, during the Mexican War, after the Marines participated in the capture and occupation of Mexico City and the Castle of Chapultepec, known also as the Halls of Montezuma, the words on the Corps' colors were modified to say: "From the Halls of Montezuma, to the Shores of Tripoli."

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22cambridge(3107 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

bor-Y-lie....Your solution is to round up ten million or more people and send them back where they came from or lock them up. Do you have any idea how much either of your solutions would cost or how we would pay for them?

Tens of thousands of foreigners cross our boarders or fly into this country every day. People cross in and out of Mexico and Canada every day to conduct legal business. Closing the boarders is not an option.

I want to ask you a question. Which do you think would cost more, fines on the employer or rounding up ten million people? Which do you think would be more effective?

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23howardinyoungstown(591 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

Stan, What point are you trying to make?

What relevance does the US Marine Corps have with this issue?

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24borylie(831 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

Cambridge,No need for a roundup. As you come across them jail them or deport them. No more welfare for them and they will be forced to go home on their own. No more being born here means automatic citizenship. Go after the employers with fines and if necessary,jail. Before all of this,shut down the border aggressively. Then allow legal immigration and or work permits,as needed.

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25Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

" howardinyoungstown :
Stan, What point are you trying to make?

What relevance does the US Marine Corps have with this issue?"

Howie, Howie, Howie . . ..

US Marines being in Mexico City was true diversity . We should have taken over Mexico back then .

Americans flooding over the border to develop Mexico after we ANNEX them would enrich their lives and provide more jobs in Mexico .

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26cambridge(3107 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

You can't shut the borders from Mexico and Canada. It would disrupt the business of tens of thousands of people. Youngstown isn't that far from Canada. Take a drive to the nearest crossing and sit there in the middle of the day and count how many people go back and forth in just one spot in only a couple of hours.

Do you know how long the borders along Mexico and Canada are and what it would cost to patrol them?

Just for the sake of argument, lets say you could effectively close the borders. A person could simply get on a plane and fly in for next to nothing. Are you going to stop the thousands of foreigners that fly into this country daily from doing so, people that come here for business, tourest and students?

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27borylie(831 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

Cambridge,what the he** are you talking about? Of course thousands cross our borders everyday. Legally! Get on a plane and fly in for next to nothing??? Passports,Visas and identification gets you in or out of this country most efficiently and legally. As far as the rest of the border,air patrols,technology,National Guard and even the military as we're being invaded. He** it probably cost more to deliver and feed their babies than it would to pay for border control. Sheeesh, Cambridge.

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28howardinyoungstown(591 comments)posted 4 years, 7 months ago

Stan -- in post (42) you mention annexing Mexico again, well I agree with you on that one. It would make for a much stronger country and there would be benefits for all of us, however per my comments in post (33) there is legal precedent for having the new state(s) enter the union as Spanish speaking only or at the very least bilingual, which I know you are against.

I have also informed you in another thread that as Mexico has a much smaller national debt they would have the upper hand in the political negotiations and likely would be able to force terms on us, possibly including mandating that the border states all become bilingual. Personally I think would be great children who grow up with two languages tend to do better in school.

As for USA1 and borylie and the issue of closing the borders, I think its a great idea, we just have to end US involvement in Iraq, Afghanistan, not get involved in Iran and North Korea and pull all of the US troops from overseas bases in order to have aenough personnel to fully patrol both the Northern and Southern borders. I think Stan's plan of annexing Mexico would be easier as this would cut the length of our southern border from 1969 miles to 750 miles.

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