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Catholic Church and pope are under assault by the media



Published: Thu, April 8, 2010 @ 12:00 a.m.

Catholic Church and pope are under assault by the media

The media are at it again. They are hyping a story in which they play a major role in the cover up. Why would they do such a thing and risk exposing their own complicity? It can only mean that the prize is worth the risk, and the prize is nothing less than the destruction of the Catholic Church and traditional standards of morality.

When you read or hear the media’s relentless assaults on the pope and the Catholic Church regarding the misconduct of a few priests, something becomes strikingly evident when the gender of the victims is revealed: male, male, male. Do I detect a pattern here? Missing from the accounts is the identification of female victims.

The print and broadcast media like to use code words like pedophile and child sexual abuse, and they use them incessantly in the hope that you will too. However, these code words are just a cover up for the real problem that existed at the time — homosexual priests. Because of political correctness and the mores of the time, the church, in an effort to be tolerant, turned a blind eye and allowed into the priesthood homosexual men who then did what some homosexual men do — they attempted to recruit adolescent and teenage boys.

The church knows the root problem and has quietly taken steps to correct it by stopping the influx of homosexual men into the priesthood and dealing with the ones already there. Unfortunately, the church is still too concerned about political correctness — as demonstrated by its embrace of the global warming hoax — and it is afraid to be too open in how it is addressing the real underlying problem. In the meantime, the media continue their assault and their cover up of the homosexual connection in the whole affair.

Joseph K. Waltenbaugh, New Castle


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1TB(1167 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Equating homosexuality with pedophilia is despicable.

Not all pedophiles are homosexuals, just as all homosexuals are not pedophiles.

You can blame the media or try to shift the blame to homosexuality, but the reality of the situation, that the leaders of the Catholic church KNEW these abuses were taking place and their reaction was to cover it up and/or transfer those priests to different parishes, speaks for itself.

Shame on you for trying to cloud the issue at hand.

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2northsideperson(365 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Research has shown that hypocrisy is of the biggest church turn-offs for the 18-35 age range. They can deal with people with problems far better than they will people that deny or cover up problems.

The Church (Roman Catholic, but not only) has been too busy hiding its dirty laundry, rather than admitting it, and swiftly and forcefully dealing with it.

Even now, they're still trying to protect appearances rather than allow whatever the truth may be to come out.

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3jeratboy(127 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

TB- You are the one trying to cloud the issue. Did you even read the letter? The problem in the church is not pedophilia. It never was. You bring out the old"not all pedophiles..." That is not the argument. The priesthood attracts homosexuals. The homosexual priests go after the teenage males since that is what is AVAILABLE TO THEM. I am not saying that all homosexuals go after teenagers, so don't try to turn my statement around. Sex with teenage boys is not pedophilia.It is homosexuality.
I am waiting for someone to bring up celibacy. If they wanted a woman, they would get a woman. Tell me one priest that doesn't have all kinds of woman hanging around them or the church. Don't you think he would go after them if he wanted a woman?

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4cambridge(2996 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

The clergy that weren't pedophiles were covering up for the ones that were. They should all be in jail.

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5havinmysay(155 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Mr. Waltenbaugh is mistaken. It is the innocent children of the world who are under attack by the Pope and the Catholic Church.

The problem does not lie with the media's reporting on this issue. The issue would not be receiving the attention it is without the media's reporting on it. The media did nothing to cause this problem and they have not sat on the story.

They should start arresting those in the Catholic Church hierarchy who help enable these perverts who rape children. And that includes the Pope. At some point enough is enough.

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6Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Let's get to the heart of the matter, HOMOSEXUALITY . It is a disease cursed upon mankind . Homosexuality spreads by indoctrination . The young are their target . The Catholic Church along with other segments of society finds it problematic . Political correctness advocates turning a blind eye to it . Now they howl about its impact on society . I find this very amusing .

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7JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Flawed logic in New Castle.

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8JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

"I find this very amusing ." Because kids getting raped is hilarious, right?

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9RFederer(116 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Mr. Waltenbaugh is a staunch supporter of the church. He also rails against abortion and other such issues but usually gets the reasoning wrong. He did here too.

If the priests were just homosexuals, they'd be carrying on with other male priests.

They are pedophiles and there is a difference.

The church, including the current Pope are just as guilty as the pedophiles among them. They covered up the scandal and in fact facilitated additional molestations by transferring offenders to other parishes exposing them to more children.

Homosexuals no more "recruit" than do Heterosexuals. Mr. Waltenbaugh should educated himself to that reality.

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10Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

JeffLebowski :
"I find this very amusing ." Because kids getting raped is hilarious, right?

No, just your support of it .

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11Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

RFederer :
"Homosexuals no more "recruit" than do Heterosexuals."

Your right !

Heterosexuals hit upon the girls and homosexuals hit upon the boys . The object of both is a sexual encounter .

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12Silence_Dogood(1333 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Sorry for being rude but Waltenbaugh you are an idiot when you said "The print and broadcast media like to use code words like pedophile and child sexual abuse, and they use them incessantly in the hope that you will too. However, these code words are just a cover up for the real problem that existed at the time "

Code words for the REAL problem !
What REAL problems ?
Do you mean problems like CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE AND PEDOPHILIA. These would seem to me to be a REAL problem, hell I would think that if they happened to you ,even you might think of them as a REAL problem.

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13TB(1167 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

"The problem in the church is not pedophilia. It never was. "

This is a total misstatement. Multiple accounts from multiple parishes and victims worldwide show that you are either grossly misinformed or willingly bending the truth (which is scarier.)

An adult initiating sexual contact with anyone who is not an adult is pedophilia, whether wanted or unwanted. Your failure to call a spade a spade is alarming.

I've been to many Catholic churches in the area. Teenage boys do not make up even close to the majority of the congregation. Your point is false.

Also, I've been around homosexuals. I know some personally, and very well. None of them try to recruit anyone into becoming a homosexual. By saying so, you imply that homosexuals have some sort of insidious plot to convert the world to homosexuality. Most homosexuals I know and have met would simply like to be treated as equal human beings and allowed to live their lives accordingly.

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14Nunya(1356 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

There we have it,..

That guy has it all wrong and serves as another example of proving individuals will try to allege anything to oppose facts.

We're not talking crime of the child molestation, pedophile and homosexual predator variety here. We're talking about a long history of it and the current Pope being discovered as a aiding abettor.

Fact is the media's actually being really soft on this deplorably diabolical dysfunction. That has such a long and sick freakishly demented horrific history of having gone conducted, sanctioned, covered up, lied about and abominably defended for ages.

To contend some ones attacking the Catholic church is insanely inaccurate. I know a host of great individuals that bear or once bore Catholic faith.

Having read their sacrilege nowhere in there had I ever found pedophilia, forced homosexuality or any other depraved form of molestation as requisite for them to be Catholic.

Every one of them I've spoken to are rebelling against this Pope, the Vatican's position and anyone else trying to uphold unquestionable injustice and abhorrent behavior.

See the individual that expressed himself in that piece. Has clearly adopted the misguided mindset that a mortal man can and should be above the law and totally immune from being held accountable.

For what amounts to is his conscious and deliberate sanctioning of and in acting in concert with known criminal acts of absolutely hellish manner and conduct.

Which is a conduct that conforms to no civility or morality and bears no godly accordance. Nor even bears even the most remote semblance to human indecency.

Those are the facts and people of decency can't find it within their spiritual values nor moral compass. To in anyway uphold nor bear an accord of trying to defend it.

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15Activist9(2 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

stan...i dont know where you get the idea that homosexuality is a disease,and im pretty sure homosexuality has very little to do with the mass accounts of molestation within the churches, it could possibly be the strict moral standards,and the confining mental enviroment causing priest's thoughts to wonder and to abuse thier power

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16UnionForever(1470 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

The headline should read "Our Children Under Attack by Catholic Church Pedophile Priests & The Coverup" and the media is now reporting how bad the Church has been for oh so many years. There is a giant coverup going on in the Church that stops at the feet of the current Pope. I don't believe it will ever be corrected until GOD deals with them at their time of judgement.

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17Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

TB :

"Also, I've been around homosexuals. I know some personally, and very well. None of them try to recruit anyone into becoming a homosexual."

You are doing a fine job covering for them . They strart by gaining the trust of a young male and then move to a sexual relationship . Plenty of drugs and alcohol are provided to facilitate their goals . The youth usually head in the direction of their first sexual encounter . Homosexuality grows by indoctrination .

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18northsideperson(365 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Then-future pope resisted defrocking priest
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36325154/...

Partial quote: "A 1985 letter signed by then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, then-head of the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, indicates he resisted defrocking a California priest who had a record of sexually molesting children."

The various reasonings given for not addressing the issue (age of the accused priest, avoidance of scandal, etc) are revolting.

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19Activist9(2 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

there is a difference between pedophelia and homosexuality!

i dont understand whats so hard about that concept?

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20TB(1167 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

"You are doing a fine job covering for them . They strart by gaining the trust of a young male and then move to a sexual relationship . Plenty of drugs and alcohol are provided to facilitate their goals . The youth usually head in the direction of their first sexual encounter . Homosexuality grows by indoctrination ."

How dare you impugn and slander people you don't know. However, having read your comments here on the website, I know it is your pattern to lump entire groups of people, generalize, and stereotype (unless those people be Catholics or pedophile Catholic priests.) Your mischaracterization of homosexuality shows your true ignorance on the matter, and also shows your apologetic or outright denial of the ills committed by the Catholic church and some of its priests.

The abuse and patterns of cover up were systemic. Your attempt to blame this on some vague rogue homosexual element is simply misplacing the blame.

Congrats on the narrow mind Stan. There's only one judge...haven't you read the Good Book?

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21Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

TB :

"Congrats on the narrow mind Stan. There's only one judge...haven't you read the Good Book?"

Yep, and that JUDGE sitting on the highest throne does not support homosexuality either !

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages...

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22cambridge(2996 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Stan the Man Unusual.....I understand that you hate gay people. No problem. That's your right.

The Pope and the rest of the clergy that covered up for these paedophiles for at least decades committed crimes. Criminals belong in jail.

You always act so self righteous and here you are defending people that protect people that hurt children. You really need to check yourself.

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23TB(1167 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Bingo

Jesus, who is also in the book Stan, wasn't a big fan of casting people away. You don't have to love them, be around them, etc. but it's not your right to judge them.

Or did you miss that day of catechism?

Anyways, back to your usual tactics of changing the issue so the argument takes a different tack. Homosexuals aren't pedophiles. The Catholic church has to explain itself.

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24CandyfromCanfield(172 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

These priests abused children...innocent little boys AND girls. So the argument that pedophilia = homosexuality doesn't add up here. What makes me furious is that the church hierarchy...including the Pope himself...felt it more important to protect the pedophile priests rather than the innocent children. How can the church preach morality when they allowed this to continue for decades? As a former Catholic who left the church because of such hypocrisies, I still respect the faith; but quite frankly, I would NEVER allow my child to be alone with a priest ever again. The Pope and his cardinals and bishops just don't get it.

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25TB(1167 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

"Because MANY homosexual Priests are also pedophiles. "

Since you appear to be an expert on homosexual Catholic priests and pedophiles, let's start backing up your claims.

How many homosexuals are currently working within the Catholic church? How many pedophiles?

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26janitspace(94 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

TB...
Thank you for being the voice of reason in this utterly ridiculous discussion.

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27Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

cambridge :

You seem to be the one sheltering homosexuality . Homosexuality is the breakdown of moral standards . Nothing is off limits to them. Some even join the Priesthood . What is moral about any homosexual's appetite for males of any age ?

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28janitspace(94 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Do you just not get it?
Kids are kids and NOBODY should be having sex with them!
This has nothing at all to do with homosexuality.

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29Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

janitspace ,Lets not cloud the issue here .

Homosexuals love to be around young boys . They come from many different areas of the public but their goals remain the same . Sex with the boys is their goal .

Sex with underage girls is a completely different issue and our laws have penalties for this behavior also . The homosexual crowd wants to be exempt for male upon male crime with underage boys . As if this behavior is OK at any age .

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30cambridge(2996 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Stan the Man Unusual.....I'm not "sheltering" homosexuality. Homosexuality has nothing to to do with the Catholic clergy in mass covering up child abuse.

This is as simple as I can explain it. You when a heterosexual man molests a little girl it doesn't mean that all heterosexual men are child molesters? Same thing applies here. If you don't get that it's because you don't want too.

Since it has been proven that even the pope was involved in protecting these pedophiles do YOU think he belongs in jail. A simple yes or no could answer that question but I don't believe your capable of answering a simple question. So just go off on one of your wild tangents and completely ignore reality and the facts.

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31Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

cambridge :

"Stan the Man Unusual.....I'm not "sheltering" homosexuality. Homosexuality has nothing to to do with the Catholic clergy in mass covering up child abuse."

Homosexuality is what is going on when a male molests another male . You do a fine job in covering !

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32janitspace(94 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Stan...
You continue to cloud the issue, sex with a child is immoral and it is a crime it does not matter the sex of the perpetrator.
All homosexuals are not pedophiles just as all pedaphiles are not homosexual.
Sex with children is wrong!
I don't care who is doing it, it is wrong and for the church to knowingly try to cover this issue up is wrong.
For you to continually try to turn this into an argument about homosexuals makes me wonder if you really just don't get it.

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33northsideperson(365 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

The latest thing they're saying now is that the letter from 1985 was a 'form letter' and not the smoking gun people say it was.

I don't know which is worse, that they'd send a letter that says they're concerned about the effect on the church if they dismiss a young priest for child abuse charges ... or that they'd send a form letter about any such allegations.

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34Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

janitspace :
"Stan...
You continue to cloud the issue"

It is you that is trying to cloud the issue . The problem here is homosexual acts against whomever the homosexuals can exercise their will upon . This act is vile no matter what the age of the victim is . So you think that if this act isn't done by a Priest that it is OK ? The problem here is homosexuality in the Priesthood . We don't hear much about Priests chasing after little girls . So we could then assume that homosexuals entered the Priesthood to have a greater availibility of "male" victims .

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35AXLE69(181 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

usa0 pro-teabagger,you`re a Catholic? Wow,how do you reconcile that with your teabagging lunatic fringe beliefs.I mean,one of the main tenets of Catholicism is to love your neighbor and you hate 99% of the human race.You probably should leave the church and become a Palintologist.

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36northsideperson(365 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Pedophiles - gay or straight, Catholic, Protestant, or otherwise - have no place in the church. They belong in prison or other institutions.

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37VindyOne(20 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

All those pedophile priests are HOMOSEXUAL MEN AS THEY ABUSED YOUNG BOYS aged 14/17 and even younger. They didn't abused young girls.

Those homosexual men didn't just abused one boy, they abused hundreds and hundreds.

No straight man has been found guilty of pedophilia on young boys. NEVER.

All homosexual men guilty of pedophilia on so many boys (the young victims of homosexual men hidden in the Church are thousands till today) must be sent in prison for the rest of their life as they're mentally sick and they're socially dangerous.

Many of those little kids now are even facing AIDS and other diseases as those homosexual priests have infected all their young victims.

Those young kids could die with AIDS in the next years thank to homosexual men who abused of them.

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38IOKIYAR(32 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

IS THIS A JOKE? Seriously, someone clue me in. This article has to be an April Fools joke.

Whether or not gay priests are the problem is irrelevant. If the catholic church wishes to continue with its intolerant ways it is certainly nobodys business but their own.

And if Mr. Waltenbaugh chooses to blame the media (seriously) for the catholic church's demise, that is his right.

What is really at issue here is that crimes were committed. The most sickening and serious crimes one can imagine. Then a cover up was committed. Implicating the highest level of the catholic church.

Did the media molest these innocent children? No, it was sick preiests who continued to do so becasue the vatican told them it was ok and covered it up for them.

The entire church should be prosecuted in every country on earth and the pope should spend the rest of his life in prison.

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39IOKIYAR(32 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

This letter sums up the history of the catholic church:

1. Blame women
2. Blame those who are different (gays)
3. Don't take responsibility (blame the media)
4. Act like the church and those who blindly defend its crime actually still have even a shred of moral dignity left (Joseph K. Waltenbaugh, New Castle)

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40walter_sobchak(1893 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Pedophilia and homosexuality are two separate disorders. Pedophilia is always a crime and a sin. Homosexuality is not a crime, unless with an underage child, in which case it's pedophilia. But, homosexuality is a sin and this is what the media hates. They can't accept the Catholic church calling the act of homosexuality a sin but it most certainly is.

The church has suffered greatly by allowing homosexual men to be priests. It would make no sense that a man would become homosexual after taking vows. Besides, the psychiatric community wants us to believe that people are born gay. But, if this were exclusively true, homosexuality would die off as it is a recessive trait. Thus, it is a mental disorder that can be caused by emotional problems. But, to allow homosexual men to become priests allows them to prey on the vulnerable young boys in society. Priests are to be trusted, these predators know that, and the cycle continues.

The Church has been wrong on the treatment of these priests for decades. Is is obviously difficult for a bishop to balance his duties as a leader of the laity and as the pastoral leader of the priests. There was a school of thought that if you tries to keep the crimes secret that maybe it would be easier to root out the problem priests by giving them an easier access to coming forward. This is a major flaw in logic and ignores the power aspect of the predator.

As I stated, the church has invited this problem when they let known homosexual men become priests. It makes no sense because the only way that a homosexual can differentiate themselves with others is by committing homosexual acts. This, therefore, means that a priests vow of celibacy will most certainly be broken. But, this ongoing cover-up with these criminal priests is unacceptable and intolerable. Thinking that just transferring a problem priet to a differrent community will solve the problem is just plain nuts!

The church will survive this problem as it has survived past problems and hopefully will be better in the future. Remember, God always forgives, man sometimes forgives, but nature never forgives!

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41VindyOne(20 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Many of those homosexual priests who abused all those boys also infected with AIDS their young victims.

Many of those young boys already died with AIDS in the past years while other boys were abused and infected as nobody stopped those pedophile homosexuals.

Many other boys who got Aids after being abused will die in the next years.

Homosexual men who abuse of underage boys are sick perverts and killers.

Read more here:
http://www.aztlan.net/boyle2.htm

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42TB(1167 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Interestingly enough, I heard of a case of pedophilia involving a Catholic priest who targeted a young female.

What say you Stan?

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43VindyOne(20 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

One thing is a sick pedophile who abused a young girl.

Another thing is a sick homosexual pedophile who abused HUNDREDS of little boys, ONE AFTER ANOTHER, in many cases even infecting all his underage victims with AIDS.

Every single one of those pedophile homosexuals love promiscuity and had group sex with underage altar boys.

None of those homosexual pedophiles abused just one boy: they abused dozens, hundreds each.

Homosexual pedophiles are a disgrace for human race.

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44VindyOne(20 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Yes, but there's no straight priest who abused hundreds of young girls even infecting them with AIDS causing them DEATH still a very young age.

Pedophiles are all sick, but HOMOSEXUAL PEDOPHILES ABUSED SO MANY YOUNG BOYS YOU CAN'T EVEN COUNT THEM.

And many of them even died with AIDS.

There were all young boys in their 14/17 years of age.

This scandal of pedophilia involves BASICALLY only homosexual men who harmed THOUSANDS OF YOUNG BOYS all over the world.

THOUSANDS of young victims.

The straight priests who are guilty of pedophilia on young girls are just a very, very, very small percentage of pedophile priests and they didn't harm so many victims as the homosexual pedophiles who EVEN KILLED the boys with AIDS.

HOMOSEXUALITY IS ABOUT HAVING SEX WITH UNDERAGE BOYS and PROMISCUITY.

Just look on gay sites spreading all over the internet: they're all full of naked very young teenage boys, just like those who were raped.

THOSE HOMOSEXUAL PREDATORS ARE A SHAME FOR HUMANITY.

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45cambridge(2996 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

VindyOne.....I wouldn't even begin to know where to look "all over the Internet" for "naked very young teenage boys" but I think i know how you spend your free time.

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46onthetown(254 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

"HOMOSEXUALITY IS ABOUT HAVING SEX WITH UNDERAGE BOYS and PROMISCUITY."

This statement is factually incorrect.

"Just look on gay sites spreading all over the internet: they're all full of naked very young teenage boys, just like those who were raped."

Apparently you've never been to Lemonparty dot org

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47eagle911(17 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THE SACRAMENT OF CONFESSION. WHO DOES A PRIEST CONFESS TO? DOES HE CONFESS TO ANOTHER PRIEST? IF SO DO THESE "PRIESTS" THAT COMMIT THESE ACTS CONFESS THESE AND RECEIVE PENENCE OR DO THEY LIE IN CONFESSION? WHAT IF THEY CONFESS TO ANOTHER PRIEST SHOULD THAT PRIEST HEARING THE CONFESSION REPORT WHAT HE HAS BEEN TOLD. IT SEEMS THAT THEY ARE EITHER LIARS OR AID IN THE COVER UP UNDER THE VEIL OF THE SACREMENT OF CONFESSION, HOW NICE FOR THESE PRIESTS. WHO DOES THE POPE CONFESS TO?

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48walter_sobchak(1893 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Eagle 911,
Investigate the sacrament of reconciliation. This is the most powerful sacrament available in the church. All sin is a turning away from God and his goodness. Therefore, this sacrament is the way that you turn back to God, who loves you more than we can comprehend.

Priests do confess to other priests. Yes, even the pope confesses to another priest. Remember, they are mortals and subject to the same failings as anyone, so why would they not be able to erceive the same powerful grace from a valid confession? I would hope that my priest would avail himself of these graces!

To make a valid confession, three thing must happen: The person must be repentent, they must confess their sins, and they must accept the penance. If any person tries to receive this sacrament knowing that they are going to turn around and keep committing the same sin, there is no repentence and the confession is invalid. God knows what are sins are, confession is our owning up to them and accepting the consequences.

As far as secrecy, this is a main tenant of the catechism that what is said in the confessional is a private matter. Forgiveness of sins comes from God and the priest has the power of healing hands to absolve sins on earth and heaven. If the vow of secrecy were to be broken, it would lead to people being reluctant to go to confession and thus turn us even further away from God and his love. The church has very severe penalties for priests who would even attempt to violate this promise.

Unfortunately, this sacrament is misunderstood by many people, including Catholics and especially ex-Catholics. I'm glad the sacrament is there but it is important not to take for granted His mercy! You never know when or where He may call you back!

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49TB(1167 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

The excuses keep flying. The issue of homosexuality is or should be moot when discussing pedophilia. What I find extremely disturbing is the defense of the Catholic church's practice of denying, covering up, and moving these priests.

Perhaps the church needs a better vetting process in the least.

The issue of homosexuality is a total smokescreen to cloud and divert the true heart of the issue...covering up known abuse repeatedly in a patterned, systemic matter (regardless of the perpetrators' supposed sexual persuasions or the ignorance of vindy posters to reconcile that children of both sexes were molested repeatedly.)

Shame on you who would defend anyone or anything that would allow child abuse to perpetuate, either through ignorance or willful denial.

Judgment day comes for all of us. Remember that as you spout off.

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50VindyOne(20 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

The truth is that homosexual priests who abused of THOUSANDS of boys even infecting then with AIDS are HOMOSEXUAL men as they declared after the abuses.

HOMOSEXUAL MEN who abused of UNDERAGE BOYS:

THIS IS HOMOSEXUAL PEDOPHILIA:

The issue of homosexuality is a big issue: many of those boys even already DIED WITH AIDS after being infected with those promiscuous homosexual rapists.

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51VindyOne(20 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

The Church CONDEMNS homosexuality.

Those homosexual men only said LIES to become priests and to be able to abuse of thousands of underage boys.

Homosexuality is NOT admitted by Christianity.

An homosexual act is for a male to have sex with another male.

THOSE HOMOSEXUAL MEN ARE LIARS, PEDOPHILE RAPISTS and even INFECTED WITH AIDS MANY OF THEIR VICTIMS.

THOSE HOMOSEXUAL PRIESTS ALREADY CONFESSED TO BE HOMOSEXUAL MEN.

Homosexual men can't be accepted in the Church. They're LIARS.

The Church never raped underage boys.

Those homosexual men said lies taking vows of celibacy they never respected and raped underage boys even infecting them with AIDS.

THIS IS A HOMOSEXUAL ISSUE as the CHURCH HAS ALWAYS CONDEMNED HOMOSEXUALITY.

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52AXLE69(181 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

usa0 pro-teabagger,did I write anything about the priests? I`ve been fed up with the hypocrisy of the Catholic church and organized religion yrs ago,so I don`t need a lecture from a political hypocrite like you concerning hypocrisy.You have alot of cojones trying to lambaste me about judging people when probably almost all comments that you`ve ever written on here under all your usernames have been judgmental.Classic.You teabaggers will destroy yourselves by your sheer lunacy.I won`t have to lift a finger,just sit back with some sipping whiskey and watch.By the way,I hope to see you at the teabag rally in Canfield on Thursday.Look for me,I will be dressed like a patriot,maybe Ben Franklin or Tom Jefferson, but have an Obama shirt on underneath.I hope to stand near you to hear your lunacy in person.Will you be flying our flag upside down again?Cya there buddy.

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53AXLE69(181 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

usa0 pro-teabagger,That`s it? You baggers couldn`t even muster enough people to fill the Green on a 75 deg spring evening.LOL!!!! Weak dude.So much for the "grassroots" movement.Speaking of grass,I sure saw alot of it because there weren`t any teabaggers to cover it.LOL!!! Maybe next time eh usa0 pro-teabagger?

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54CassAnn(252 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Actually it is not common for a homosexual to be a pedophile. A pedophile is pedophile regardless of what sexual orientation they are. A pedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to children, regardless of gender. And before you say it nope im not gay- just know some wonderful people who are and they are NOT child predators.

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55RustOnMyBelt(114 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Was it not the Pope, himself, who asked that the entire abuse mess be brought out and dealt with in the open? How can we blame him when he wanted the light shone upon the entire, disgraceful thing? And, when it comes to "gays"...wouldn't you think that if it were a genetic thing as many of them claim ( not by "choice") that they would have run themselves to extinction long ago? Natural selection would have won since they do not procreate.

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56CassAnn(252 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

That is an interesting question that science already answered Rustonmybelt. The reason they havent ran themselves into extinction is because Gay people tend to invest their time, money, and care into their siblings children (neices and nephews) thus encouraging their own siblings to procreate more and carry on the gene's inadvertently.

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57TB(1167 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

so Vindyone, just to indulge you and in no way agree and endorse what you are saying because the leaps in logic or the grasp of reality are almost unfathomable...

you discuss the lies told by these homosexual AIDS spreading pedophiles (still haven't hear dthe aids connection or seen it in print). Are those lies somehow worse than those of the church's hierarchy who covered up the transgressions and allowed them to continue? What is worse, that children were being molested, or that church elders (none homosexuals I might add) KNEW about the repeated abuses and covered it up?

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58TheLadyRides(23 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Why does no one point at those willing conspirators in the abuse of Catholic children: their own mothers?
These women who were raised to obey the priest above all, who reared their own children to never disobey a priest, who taught that priests are the personification of the church and thus speak with God's mouth -- it's time for them to stand up. Stand up, remind the Church and his silly clotheshorse holiness that he and his minions are servants, not princes, of the church. And if they don't listen ... remove your children from their schools and their church. I speak from experience. My own son had to take a stand against the advances of a homosexual priest in his school, and I was shocked to hear of it. Naive. But not any more.

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59Jake(112 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

The Catholic Church has spent billions settling lawsuits in several countries stretching from the USA to Australia to Ireland and points in between. This isn't just a case of the American media picking on them. As for the Church acting like a political entity, that's because it is a political entity. It has its own city, its own senate and its own president, appointed by the senate. It even collects taxes from its members. Calling them by other names doesn't change the structure. I was raised Catholic, did all of the sacraments, and as an adult I want nothing to do with this organization. It's a joke, being played on millions of people around the world.

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60RobertH(50 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

First problem with the Catholic church is .... the Catholic Church.

The second problem with the Catholic Church is .... Catholics.

The first problem was and is the covering up of bad acts. A Priest get hinkey with a child and the church would move the Perp. A problem moved is a problem that never existed.

The second problem is Catholics like Joseph K. Waltenbaugh. The Church tells the Waltenbaughs of the world the problem isn't the fact that the Church has been protecting abusers for generations. Doesn't matter who the Church blames long as the Waltenbaughs don't think it's the Church.

Don't we wish for the good old days when Priests only screwed Nuns?

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61TB(1167 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

I don't wish to demean the entire Catholic faith in any way at all.

It bothers me to see people blaming the victims and homosexuals on these comments though, when in truth it's very easy to see who is to blame: the persons committing the abuse and the people covering up that abuse.

That being said, I know many Catholics who are good, honest, hard-working, pious folks who make the community and the world a better place. Those people deserve the truth.

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62tominbrooklyn(34 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

I have to admit I'm cracking up at Stans post about Homosexuals "recruiting" young boys with drugs and alcohol. Step out of your cave for a minute why don't you. You're so far off it's insane and I'm hoping that you are just one of these 60 year old people that has just been brain washed that being gay is bad and you will be off this earth soon.

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63walter_sobchak(1893 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

tominbrooklyn,
I'm not brainwashed and I think being homosexual is not good. I think it is tragic because most of the homosexuals I know are emotionally damaged. I believe that acting on homosexual desires is immoral. I also believe that pedophilia is immoral, as well as whoring around, like Tiger or Big Ben, or doing illegal drugs or beating women and children. Does this mean I live in a cave since I believe that homosexuality is bad? Tell me what is good about it!

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64TB(1167 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

People loving other people...people they choose to love that aren't chosen for them.

Have heteros really got the market on morality cornered? What's the divorce rate now? Above 50%?

If two people can find each other and be happy and love each other in a meaningful relationship, how is that a bad thing?

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65walter_sobchak(1893 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

If two people, say a 35 year old man and a 10 year old boy find each other, are happy, and love each other in a meaningful relationship(?), is that a bad thing? Define "meaningfull relationship". Is this one where you receive fulfillment in all aspects; mentally, emotionally, physically, spiritually?

Heterosexuals do not have the market cornered on morality. But, I don't understand the reasoning that just because many marriages end in divorce that this makes other immoral behavior acceptable. Thus, pedophilia, beastialty, and other things would be acceptable. Society has developed rules for acceptable behavior. This insures that society will endure in a positive way.

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66TB(1167 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Equating homosexuality with pedophilia and bestiality is a false connection. They are not equal, and not really even in the same ballpark.

I just told you what was "good" about homosexuality. If you can't handle two consenting adults of sound mind choosing to fulfill a loving, meaningful relationship, then that's too bad.

A child and an animal are not equipped to make such choices: therefore, you need a better standard for comparison.

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67VindyOne(20 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

TB, where do you live? In a LA-LA world?

Just look over the internet to find explicit messages of old homosexual men looking for teenage boys just for sex.

EVEN IN THIS CITY.

Just look on homosexual internet pages and you'll see that most of times there are very young boys, barely legal age, on them.

You can't cover what homosexual men are doing with young boys.

A man having sex with a teenage boy is SICK. Dangerously sick.

Just open your eyes and look around how many homosexual adult men are looking for teen boys. You'll see more of them than you ever thought.

None of those homosexual priests raped adult men. They only abused teenage boys.

Just read this story about the abuse of many young boys from a homosexual adult "charity boss" called Michael Meegan:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic...

This is just another homosexual man who used drugs and alcohol to abuse of young boys. FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS.

Wake up.

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68VindyOne(20 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

A 15 yo boy, victim of this homosexual man said:

'Once he put some Valium pills in my drink and that night I woke up to find him on top of me, trying to penetrate me.'
He explained: 'After that I found the courage to tell my parents. They went to the District Commissioner to report him

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic...

Are you still covering the fact homosexual men abuse of underage boys with alcohol and drugs (just like many of those homosexual priests did)?

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69cambridge(2996 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

VindyOne....Exactly how much time DO you spend looking at websites of "old homosexual men looking for teenage boys just for sex."

Your really creeping me out.

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70VindyOne(20 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Less than a second: just google for it.

If you're trying to cover the truth, then you're really creeping me out.

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71TB(1167 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

I agree. I have no desire to google any of that. I wonder why you would. Are you really going to talk about covering up the truth in an article BASED ON THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU JUST POINTED OUT AS BEING CREEPY? (I'd say it's beyond creepy, but whatever.)

"Just look over the internet to find explicit messages of old homosexual men looking for teenage boys just for sex."
These may exist. I have a feeling, they exist for females too. In fact, I remember a big Dateline NBC special on it where they lured a bunch of men to have sex with a teenage girl. I think only one was a priest, and I don't think he was Catholic. (whew!)

Also, I pointed out at least one case where a female was molested by a priest in California. The priest's name was Jeff Keezly (I'm not sure that I have the spelling correct...it was from an NPR report I heard.) So your outright misstatements catch up with you again.

Stop lying. And stop googling pedophilia websites, (for whatever reason.) Yikes

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72VindyOne(20 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

TB you're right, no little boy was abused by homosexual men.

Let's stop searching for the truth.

All those little boys crying and asking for our help are just telling us lies.

Those homosexual men who abused little boys actually just cared about them and never harmed them.
Those little boys are just liars.

Let's close our eyes and don't listen to those kids as they're all liars.

Let's let those homosexual men take care of our little boys.

You're probably right, TB.

Those little boys will be grateful to you, TB.

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73walter_sobchak(1893 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

TB,
WHen you make the claim that heterosexuals don't have the morality market cornered because there is a high divorce rate, you seem to be saying that marriage, as defined by most laws and religions, is not moral. If two consenting males or females wish to have a relationship, so be it. But I don't have to accept the fact that it is normal or moral. It is not. Therefore, someone will always stretch it to the next level. Is polygamy OK? Pedophilia next? What should be the age of consent? There are many immoral men that want to prey on teenage boys.

You see, for centuries, society has said that a normal relationship is one between a man and woman. They come together and propagate the species. Anything else is abnormal. Sorry, some things are black and white.

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74TB(1167 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

First off Vindy, I never said that wasn't occurring. Secondly, I have no desire to research sexual relationships between adults and children. At no point did I say the little boys were lying. If anything you are the one intimating that the church is blameless in this. This is not the act of some rogue homosexual priests, but systemic abuse and a pattern of cover up behavior.

Walter, what society are you referring to? Going back centuries would require a multitude of societies...societies that felt it was abnormal for a woman to own property...societies that felt black people were property...societies that felt Jews were inferior...societies where most of the people couldn't read or write. I can flip that coin on its head as well.

If you would like to talk biology and biological urges, I urge you to re-examine your statement. Homosexual behavior has been observed in a myriad of animals within the animal kingdom.

While you cite immoral men preying on teenage boys, if you go back to your theory of societal norms, check out the ancient Greeks. Check out the age of marriage for females in Europe just a few centuries ago.

Please don't pick and choose facts just to support one side of the argument. If you're going to try to paint this picture, you must use all the colors.

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