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Sign up NOW for a town hall health care forum with Tim Ryan
YOUNGSTOWN — WFMJ Channel 21 and The Vindicator are working with U.S. Rep. Tim Ryan to air a live 90-minute health care forum from 6:30 to 8 p.m. Monday.
Besides Ryan of Niles, D-17th, five area health care industry experts will be at the event at the Jewish Community Center at 505 Gypsy Lane.
Also, 100 area residents will be able to attend the event, “Conversation on Health Care with Congressman Tim Ryan hosted by WFMJ and The Vindicator.”
There is a form on Vindy.com asking those interested in attending their thoughts on health care. WFMJ and The Vindicator will select 50 of those submitting forms to the forum. Those 50 are asked to bring a guest.
People answering the questions must be available Monday evening to attend the live televised forum. Invitations will go out Thursday and Friday.
Those selected to be in the audience will have a chance to ask Ryan a specific question related to health care.
The question-and-answer forum will be moderated by WFMJ anchor Bob Black.
Sign up here - http://www.vindy.com/discussion/
JeffLebowski (859 comments)posted 2 months, 14 days ago"GOSH JEFF you are sooooooooo smart."
At least I'm housebroken, man.
borylie (191 comments)posted 2 months, 14 days ago If politicians prior to a vote are not to be believed and we're months away from passage of a bill that doesn't resemble anything out there now,blah,blah,blah,then what the heck has Obama been selling us for the last few months?
Search4Answers (612 comments)posted 2 months, 13 days ago Since when has the presidential position become a salesman? Tonight is just going to be a sales pitch. Nothing more than trying to con you into buying it. I'm not buying into his con.
JeffLebowski (859 comments)posted 2 months, 13 days ago I haven't seen Obama selling anything. Case in point: his trip to the Cleveland Clinic was to highlight desired clinical outcomes at lower costs, not to shill the legislation. The administration could have pushed a hasty vote before the break but didn't, that didn't happen by accident. It took 40 years to pass Medicare, this notion that sweeping change is going to take place in 6 months' time is nothing but media spin...that the conservative bloc fell for instantly.
Search4Answers (612 comments)posted 2 months, 13 days ago BS Lebowski, you know the man is nothing but a constant campaigner and legislative salesman. Why else would he need to make the case tonight. They are trying to get all this crap done now because they know they are dead in the next elections. Once he gets shut down on this he will become a lame duck president. He's a one termer unless he can figure out a way to con the people again so he has to try and constantly sell his agenda. People are already regretting their November votes... look at the polls dude.
rudy56 (98 comments)posted 2 months, 13 days ago OH YOU ARE "SO CERBRAL"- movies make for so many GREAT QUOTES,but then again they are "JUST MOVIES" ! Here is a quote from Pelosi & Obama "TRANSPARENCY" before and after the election-hows that for a great quote,then again maybe thats a movie and they were JUST ACTING.
DoctorGonzo (725 comments)posted 2 months, 13 days ago If you are not a constant "salesperson" or campaigner, or not trying to push things across hastily, you are not being a politician. That is what they do.
JeffLebowski (859 comments)posted 2 months, 13 days ago The sales pitch begins tonight, absolutely -- 100%. Not disputing that nor would I even try. The four year term began 1/20, today is 9/9...did I miss three odd years someplace? I mean, seriously. (Not all that possible to be a lame duck in the Executive Branch when you have a majority in the Legislative Branch coupled with moderate-to-strong support on both sides of the aisle, BTW.)
Cat was polling ASTRONOMICAL numbers when he took office that were naturally going to fall and (I think) are still around 60% favorability...but since you heard on the news that the administration is in trouble makes it so, right?
Keep searching.
JeffLebowski (859 comments)posted 2 months, 13 days ago I said the film was cerebral, not that I was. You people need to slow down and read...inability to do so could be why you apparently don't understand politics.
For the record I dispise Pelosi and have made that clear on these pages in the past.
JeffLebowski (859 comments)posted 2 months, 13 days ago I also despise spellcheck.
Search4Answers (612 comments)posted 2 months, 13 days ago He is at hovering a little below 50% and 8% more people strongly disapprove than strongly approve. His poll numbers are slipping rapidly. only 33% say we are going in the right direction. I would say they all need to be removed regardless of party, except for kucinich... that crazy guy is just entertaining.
dreamcatcher52 (30 comments)posted 2 months, 11 days ago Did Ryan ever practice law in Ohio? I know he has a law degree, but it seems he went right into politics after graduating college. Has he ever had any jobs other than in politics?
I would have signed up for his "townhall", but I don't think he would have liked my question. I want to know why the dems voted down the Heller amendment which would have helped enforce the part of hr3200 that supposedly excludes illegal aliens from the healthcare program.
I heard a caller on the radio say that "Tim Ryan represents himself". I think that about sums it up. This is just a promotional ad courtesy of the Vindy and WFMJ.
andersonathan (384 comments)posted 2 months, 11 days ago Yea 50 people in a closed town hall, the only reason this is being down is to hold back the critics. It will not accomplish a thing and if it does I imagine more people will be against it.
If anyone gets the Timmy news Letter or has ever tried to contact him you end up with propaganda. Timmy is all for this, He will vote how Pelosi tells him to vote. This is just another cotton in your ears politician, so he is not going to listen to any one but his leader.
Face it this bill as it was originally wrote covered illegals, illegals are covered now in the emergency room.
This bill as it is written will cover abortions.
This bill as it is written will line the pockets of major unions in the billions.
One must ask the price tag of over 900 billion, that supposedly is laying around in waste, clean up the waste first then get back to me?
Ask how much a law would cost involving reconstructing torte reform on a national level, then write pass it and sign it.
Ask how much it is going to cost to open health care insurance on a national level instead of a state level. Write one that will allow people picking what they want in coverage, eliminating previous conditions.
And limit increases when used and dropping of people that use it.
So in effect 3-4 small bills, plain, simple bills that most likely would cost very little. Would put health care on a free and open market and like car insurance it has worked for me.
Want more? Give some tax break incentives for people that buy health insurance.
To simple for Washington it lines no pockets of anyone, involves little or no money to do and I am still waiting on the 900 billion to mysteriosly appear.
http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer
Is your solution to a lot of things but you will not see it as long as this administration is in power.
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sounds like an actual constructive debate/discussion. do whatever it takes to keep the screaming loons out.
I just received a list of the topics to be discussed. This is breaking news:
- Have a family member or acquaintance who loves valium and always smiles dreamily? How will their co-pays be affected.
- How will my emergency room visit be covered if I have to travel to the south side at any point in time?
- If a congressperson breaks his leg while trying to exit a health care forum abruptly, does he/she have the same coverage as I do?
- My occupation is related to city schools. Is "basic stupidity" a covered risk under the proposed single payer system?
- As a Valley resident, I find it necessary to eat at a pizza joint 4 times per week. I also enjoy Marlboro 100's and several fine Keystone draft beers every evening. Am I really still covered under the principals of this plan when my body shuts down around age 40?
- You and your valiant local politicians: Why they will never adhere to such a plan, but make it a priority to make sure you do. - SUBJECT TO CHANGE AT ANY MOMENT
I want to know why the Obama isn't pushing for single payer autoinsurance. What is so different for healthcare that makes single payer and a government run system ok?
are you seriously comparing healthcare to car insurance?
of course you're always searching for answers because you're asking the wrong questions all the time.
I'm really curious how 46,000,000 uninsured people,legal and unlegal,are going to be added to the current insured and serviced by the same number of doctors,hospitals that are now available.
where does it say anything about illegals being covered? republijokes have been beating that drum ever since the bill was introduced. its an erroneous claim.
anyway, are you honestly saying that our current system works? are we supposed to tell over 40 million people "sorry, not enough room for you. have a nice life."?
america can do better than that.
Yeah...we can top the list of other government failures...
Government Failures
Social Security
Medicare
Postal Service
FDIC
FANNIE MAE
FREDDIE MAC
REGULATION Q
FEDERAL RESERVE
CASH FOR CLUNKERS
DEPT OF EDUCATION
NEW DEAL
Amtrak
Medicaid
FEMA
Stimulus Rebate Checks
... The list goes on
Government Successes
None to date
jrolley325,
As a true blue republijoke I need you to please answer my question. And not with a question. If your not up to this debate please sign off.
i'm not pretending to know all the answers because i don't. but i'm glad those in d.c. are finally willing to do something about it. well, i mean those except for the status quo republicans who think everything is fine because of the large checks they receive from insurance companies to defeat this kind of legislation.
are you saying that this system was intentionally set up to purposely leave 46 million without medical coverage? what a country.
Where does it expressly deny coverage for illegal aliens in the proposed plan?
Jrolley325, The 46 million you are referring to has 12 million illegals so I think you should down that number or else people are going to still accuse you of being for giving handouts to illegals.
so 34 million is a miniscule number? that's just talking about uninsured altogether. how many millions of people have piss poor coverage that won't help them if they get seriously ill or injured?
if you're against a public plan, whatever. fine. that's a fundamental difference. but i cringe when i hear people say that our healthcare system is the best in the world and nothing needs changed.
I also have no idea what the answer is...I do know that lost in this is the fact that hospitals care for uninsured and under-insured people every day. The fact that they do so drives up costs for everyone. If even a third of the patients in this category had some type of insurance it would drive down the cost for hospitals to provide care to all patients. Lower costs plus more people paying into the system plus incentive on the part of insurance companies to further lower costs to compete makes more sense when put into this perspective. I guess...
I will admit that it needs changed. The problem can't be fixed with more government because government is the problem. Let the free market work. We shouldn't be asking what can the government do for us but what is the government doing that is holding the free market back. I like the Co-op ideas, catastrophic coverage, multi year insurance contracts (Rand Pauls idea), interstate competition, the market is a lot more innovating to solve problems than the government. Do you not think that hospitals want to make money by serving those people or insurance companies by insuring them? Let the market find the way.
Health Insurance is a lot more regulated than Auto Insurance.... look how innovating the auto insurance companies are compared to health care companies. You have to admit that auto insurance companies have become pretty innovative with their policies lately.
Search, you beat me to it. These clowns not only can't pretend not to know all the facts,they know few if any. They just love to see their posts and think they are actually contributing something. Large insurance checks to the repubs to defeat this legislation??? How about the checks from the pharmaceutical to the dems??? jrolley,what you didn't see this on MSNBC? I'm for reform,but there's a much better way of accomplishing reform rather than hastily putting something together without input from the repubs or more outside experts.
"Where does it expressly deny coverage for illegal aliens in the proposed plan?"
It doesn't directly. It only states that the coverage is for citizens. There are no real safeguards I've seen in place to prevent it.
@Search
"Let the free market work"
You can say that with a straight face when talking about health care?
for the record, i don't even watch cable news. therefore, i'm not going to assume that your mind is corrupted by the likes of clowns like limbaugh, hannity, beck, o'reilly, etc.
anyway, why should the dems be willing to work out any compromise with reps when the dems are the only ones that seem to be making any concessions?
Jeff your thoughts make sense but the reality is that the only way any of these uninsured are going to be insured is if the tax payers foot the bill. Truth be known, a lot of these uninsured choose the Marlboros and the Budweisers over buying some form of health insurance.
How is the government going to police the insurance cheats, the same way they police the welfare/foodstamp cheats.
"Truth be known, a lot of these uninsured choose the Marlboros and the Budweisers over buying some form of health insurance."
Any facts to back that up redvert? If not save the make believe stories for sunday school.
anyway, back to the point of the article.....i hope they do this in a nice inner room of the jcc where they can't hear the screaming nutjobs outside so they can actually have a rational, intelligent, productive discussion.
Search4 Answers,
If it's as bad as you claim it is here in America, why don't you leave? No one will stop you.
There should be no concessions, bipartisanship is a joke. If they don't agree with what the dems are doing they shouldn't agree with a watered down version that does the same thing except probably throws in a bridge with their name on it in their district. What happened to voting with the principles you believe in. The whole "bipartisan" thing is what is wrong with politics in America. I vote for people who I feel represents my opinions and values... the idea they strike deals in a backroom that conflict with their beliefs is appauling to me.
jrolley, Duh,what concessions? Like epic says " you must have facts" or go to Sunday School. If you don't watch cable news,where do you get your news? Or what if your source of info doesn't report something,than it's not news. Then you don't know something. Did you know that Obama advisor who was in the White House Van Jones is an admitted communist? Where did you hear it? I heard it on the Glen Beck show. So continue to be an uninformed mushroom.
@PenguinBird
If we all agreed this country would fall into decay. Any society with a homogeneous political system usually does lots of BAD things.
I plan on it eventually. Moving out of the country is a lot more complicated than moving to another suburb. I have looked into it though... the economic outlook for the US and UK is pretty scary so I'm thinking maybe New Zealand or Austrailia depending on which country has a government that is closest to the principles that were laid out in the constitution.
Taxpayers foot the bill only if the legislation calls for it. Given the Chicken Little mentality the media fosters to sell papers/get ratings that is naturally what they'll highlight but is that the reality of the legislation? What I've seen is a focus on providers increasing favorable medical outcomes through increased efficiency to provide better care for the individual patient -- when duplicated many times over this yields the ability to insure more at the same cost. Combine this with the government holding insurance companies' feet closer to the fire by fostering competition and it seems to be an even better solution.
Again, this POV comes from reading the commissioned studies upon which the legislation is based on, not from the media.
"What I've seen is a focus on providers increasing favorable medical outcomes through increased efficiency to provide better care for the individual patient -- when duplicated many times over this yields the ability to insure more at the same cost."
Jeff again leads the way with reason. Now we need ProMerkin to barge in here and call us all nazi mafia abortionists.
Jeff, that would only be true if the government program had the same constraints as the private companies (not operating in the red). I know the history of the government running things and it isn't good. The best option for those who hate the "evil" insurance companies is a privately run Co-Op. A Co-Op still has a profit motive which is needed for innovation yet it returns those profits to the consumers. Open up that option (which is free market and keeps the government out) and you have the same thing if not better than what the government can do.
If the government option is not constrained to operating without taxpayer support then it will destroy the private insurance companies and it will be a universal health care system with all dependent on the government.
Co-Ops are the way to go and it is true to a free market.
ok if you must know, i read the newspaper, internet and might flip on cnn for no more than 15 minutes. by "i don't watch cable news" i mean i don't watch your daily brainwash programs like beck, hannity, o'reilly, olbermann, maddow, or matthews.
anyway, if you want to play the guilt by association card, i can do that too. george bush's grandfather invested in a company which financed hitler's holocaust. so how bout that? that means the bushes are genocidal nazi's right?
You're worried about ProAmerican barging in. This is the very first time I believe that Cambridge hasn't added his two Oak Twig euros. It's 11:00, time for my koolaid and get to bed.
lol @ borylie
"two Oak Twig euros"
Nice!
There is no doubt that an increase in favorable medical outcomes will lower costs across the board.
The rub is that this plan wants to do away with preexisting conditions, so it is no longer insurance. Insurance is meant to cover unexpected events by using the pool of funds. As these events increase, due to not being able to insure economical risks, costs will increase. These costs will be covered by the government as risks continually flow to their coverage because private insurers will not touch them. The government is funded by the taxpayers almost exclusively, therefore, the taxpayer costs will have to increase.
It is not insurance, it is universal, unimpeded coverage.
Beck is alright sometimes. He has become a muckraker and we need more like him on BOTH sides. I disagree with maddow but I'll admit there is a need for her. Olbermann and Hannity are proof that some villages in the world have been swindled of their idiot.
Search, Before I go to bed I have to disagree regarding Hannity, Maddow & Olberman. Hannity at least will offer an opposing viewpoint and debated Colmes for years. I may have missed it,but I have yet to see the other two have anyone on with an opposing view. Big difference. Beck may be a muckraker,but he's looking out for all of us,the dems,repubs and all in between. He's more guts than anyone in the media.
"do whatever it takes to keep the screaming loons out"...
You can bet they will - after all, this dog and pony show is being RUN by the loons to begin with
Tim Ryan is just another blue collar, big union, anti-capitalist loser. The majority of Americans don't want socialist controlled health care, at least outside the Mahoning Valley. The sceaming loon are ACORN and the other George Soros puppets Jrolley is talking about? The anti-socialism protesters are angry, they have a right to be, but not a mob, disruptive, un-American, dangerous right wing extremists. Disagree with the Dems and your are attacked but if your are in agreement with them and are disruptive, somehow you are praised. Resist socialist unions, super rich lobbiests, the president and all other freedom hating liars. Keep your freedom.
this is democracy at work!? A so-called public forum and town hall meeting that only people handpicked by the king and his court are permitted to attend? No meeting is better than a scripted theater show of filtered propaganda. What is the nobility afraid of? Free speech and good ideas?
You and I both know that the version you paint isn't going to fly, Doc. I'm talking about how the passable legislation will look, government involvement in any capacity beyond current state is still quite a ways down the river, that's why I don't even consider it a factor at this point.
How can you not consider government involvement a factor?
That is the crux of the whole bill.
The version I am speaking about is the one expressly proposed in the bill itself.
If you do not have coverage, the government gets involved. If your employer will not or cannot continue to provide coverage, the government gets involved. If you have conditions that can reasonably predict serious disease, and no private insurer will cover you, the government gets involved.
Then, at some point down the road, how do we determine who gets what care? Does a privately insured person go before a government insured, or vice versa? Do we know how many constitutional issues can arise out of that? Then in the end, like Canada, and others, private options are done away with completely to avoid these issues.
Look at history and other countries. Are we going to be different?
The bill that passes is going to be vastly different than what you describe, that's my point. The level of involvement you've described is much more intrusive than would ever pass with either party.
Clearly you're not a golfer.
JROLLEY- the dems want compromise acceptance, ONLY so if it blows up in this country they can say those republicans also voted for it, so don't blame just us.NOW-JEFF I suggest you look up HR676 (the summary) it will show you the floor plan of govt. HEALTH CARE/HEALTH INSURANCE reform,it has increased taxes,medicare/medicade cuts in how much is paid for procedures,PLUS MORE! I suggest BOTH OF YOU look at how the American Indians HEALTH CARE is being handledby the govt.,the indians know that if the need medical help they better get it before JUNE of each year as after that -THE MONEY RUNS OUT-THATS A FACT YOU CAN LOOK UP! By the way I am a registered DEMOCRAT
Oh by the way, TIM RYAN was one of many co-sponsors of the bill HR676
I'll do nothing of the sort. Confucius say: excessive caps equal flimsy argument.
GREAT COMEBACK-DUH !
Nothing compared to yours.
If you read what I wrote above perhaps you'll better understand my POV. I'm not going to repeat myself beyond pointing out (again) that I'm commenting on the studies on which the legislation is based. We are months from a vote so what you see now is probably very far from what Congress will vote on.
Also, dude, "American Indians" is not the preferred nomenclature; "Native Americans," please.
Dude,
I agree. I do not think the current legislation will be the final law. You are correct in saying it will not pass in its current state.
The man in black pajamas Dude, a worthy adversary.
GOSH JEFF you are sooooooooo smart,there is a "National Museum Of American Indians",an "American Indian Heritage Foundation" and American Indian refers to "Native Americans". Just in case you have not been watching TV, the things we are discussing are being talked about right now! There might be changes down the road I agree, but the democrats are HELL-BENT right now to not see any major changes in this reform bill.The biggest problem is , the story of IT WILL ALL BE PAID FOR .THE OLD Line"THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH" and right now since the Democrats are in power they are telling everyone DON'T WORRY-BE HAPPY.
Take a deep breath (through your mouth, no doubt) -- I quoted a line from a movie likely much too cerebral for you to fully appreciate.
And no, I haven't been watching TV. Anything said by politicians prior to an actual vote is conjecture and noise, I don't care what their party affiliation.