As his approval ratings fall, Obama will visit Ohio on Monday

Ah the disappointment ! I was hoping that he was coming to Youngstown to personally deliver my economic stimulus check .

Once again, Obama and the Democrats ignore the Mahoning Valley and go to an area where they could get some potential votes, in usually reliably Republican Cincy.

LOL a AFL-CIO convention Nothing like having a communist in our state pushing his agendas.

The MV will return to green grass trees and brush so remember they are not ignoring you they are avoiding you. But hey remember to cast that "Big D" vote every time.

Did anyone complain when Bush sent us into an unnecessary war in Iraq????? No, that is why the economy is in a mess now...............but that's alright. No one complained when all those young men and women lost there lives.......over what control over the oil because that is what this war is all about......there were no weapons of mass destruction. I say give Obama a chance it can't be no worse that the hell we lived for 8 years under Bush.

Ladytaz0930:

YOU MISS THE POINT ! BUSH IS HISTORY ! I REPEAT BUSH IS HISTORY !

The libsprophesied that big things were going to happen should Obama get elected . When I heard about all that economic stimulus money I was really excited . Now that he is avoiding Youngstown all I see in it for me is higher taxes . There goes all of my excitement .

No one is complaining that Obama upped the kill ratio for the Taliban in Afghanistan . Too bad that it is in the Talibans' favor . There is nothing of value in that God forsaken country and it is past time for us to pull out !

Stan the Man Unusual....you like to pretend that the economy wasn't in the tank and going in the wrong direction when Obama took office. That is the point. This is the Bush economy and Obama is trying to fix it.

He has at least 60 million in stimulus money going into the valley. Part of that money will extend the railway line for the steel plant 1 billion dollar expansion. He kept an auto plant open that puts 500 million annually into the valley. Why do you ignore that?

You always say liberals want something for nothing from the government but you are the one who is constantly crying for a government hand out. Get a job. I'm a liberal and I don't get a thing from the government. I live off of my life's works and my investments. You should try it sometime.

Let me ask you, what direction was your 401K, your stock portfolio and your home value going in when Bush left office? What direction are those things going in now?

So far the Banks have paid back about 80 billion of the stimulus and the government has made another 4 billion in profit from stocks obtained in exchange for the bailout. Below is a link for you to read that explains exactly what the Obama stimulus package did. Read it slowly so you don't hurt your brain.

.http://www.comcast.net/articles/finance/20090810/AS.Malaysia.Krugman/

Psssssssstttttttt cambridge ,
can I tell you something ?

YOU MISS THE POINT ! BUSH IS HISTORY ! I REPEAT BUSH IS HISTORY !

Now, when do I get my stimulus check ?

You cannot fix stupid, and we have a a whole big mess of it on our hands.

Cambridge,
What is a liberal???? You claim to be one,do you know what you are???? Please explain, and as a right wingnut, neocon, etc. I'll try to understand and I'm sure you can explain so even us repubs will know what a liberal is. Thank you.

bor-Y-lie....I'm a social liberal. I believe in live and let live. Don't sweat the petty stuff and don't pet the pet the sweaty stuff. I hope this clears things up for you.

Cambridge,

The stock market is no real predictor of the soundness of the economy. The Dow did hit it's highs 2 months prior to the start of the recession. Some of the early years of the Great Depression saw the greatest % increases in history simply because of volitility.

Just wait for the U.S. treasury market crash Bush, Obama, and Helicopter Ben Bernanke have set up for us. Ticker symbol TBT if you want to get in on the trade of a lifetime.

Cambridge,
Not that my opinion of you needed confirmed, but #10 post confirms your not worthy of any intelligent debate.

Has everyone forgotten it was Clinton and ACCORN who forced banks to make loans to people who could not afford to make payments? This is what started the whole mess(Fanny and Freddie) Do not forget it was a Dem. Congress under Bush which helped make the whole thing worse. by the way How is that whole hope and change thing working out for everybody!?

Damm cambridge, you seemed to get flustered when you started talking about the "sweaty stuff"

ProMerkin....I am against abortions.

tb referred to you earlier as UnAmerican. I think that is a much more fitting name and that is how i will refer to you in the future.

We have another 6 beagles, doing a childish rename! Come on cambridge, you are an adult!.

On another point that we should all be concerned about. I am sure some of you remember the ytube video that I posted a couple times of the Fannie May, Freddie Mac hearings discussing the mortgage crisis and the need to address it. It seems that it has been removed from ytube for quote "terms of use violation" It and a couple other videos were removed that were not too complimentary of certain politicians.

I am certainly beginning to question the direction this country is headed and the rest of you should also. Don't take my word for it but look into it yourself.

I forgot to add the link for the above video that was removed. paste it in your browser and read what it says in the pink bar. Scary

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_c...

The GSE's are complete disasters. We will "have" to continue to bail these companies out. Their balance sheets are in terrible shape. Then again almost all government programs are in terrible shape.

The FDIC will be the next big bailout when more and more banks continue to fail. The FDIC is another sign the government has no understanding of a market.

Just keep posting ITS NOT OBAMA'S FAULT ITS NOT OBAMA'S FAULT ITS NOT OBAMA'S FAULT then click your heels three times

"The federal agency that insures bank deposits, which is asking for emergency powers to borrow up to $500 billion to take over failed banks, is facing a potential major shortfall in part because it collected no insurance premiums from most banks from 1996 to 2006."

"Bair said yesterday that the agency's failure to collect premiums from most banks "was surprising to me and of concern." As a Treasury Department official in 2001, she said, she testified on Capitol Hill about the need to impose the fees, but nothing happened. Congress did not grant the authority for the fees until 2006, just weeks before Bair took over the FDIC."

Don't tell me the private sector couldn't do a better job!

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/art...

Search...."The stock market is no real predictor of the soundness of the economy."

The stock market is the measure of the confidence of investors in the companies they invest in and that stocks ability to turn a profit in the economy. When you become an investor let me know.

When you see investors running from the stock market like they did the last year of the Bush administration and running back the first year of the Obama administration it is a clear indicator of the confidence of the investors in who is steering the ship.

I've invested in the stock market since I was 21 years old and started in real estate a few years later and I've made a ton of money in both. What have you ever invested in and turned a profit and what are you qualifications to give investment advice?

TBT in January, I'm up about 30%. GLD in August '07 up about 50%. I've taken a couple finance classes and I'm pretty darn good in Macro Econ.

Short term market sentiment is about as accurate at predicting economic growth as the wind is at predicting next week's weather. It goes up and down, we're in a bear market rally.

Do dead cat's bounce?
Five Best Single Month Performances for Dow (in %)

1932-08, +35.76%
1933-04, +31.95%
1932-07, +25.79%
1938-06, +24.26%
1933-05, +20.53%

If you should be questioning anyone's opinion it should be the financial analysts that always say "it's a great time to buy". They make money off you buying their stocks... yeah their opinions are unbiased.

BTW I have called those financial analysist out that just do the sales pitch in a school club meeting. One from Merrill around October asked people in a club meeting if it will ever come back, some said no, some said yes. He asked me why I thought it wouldn't come back... I of course said we're dealing with a similar problem the Japanese did, we are proposing a similar solution... the result was "The Lost Decade", I pointed out that our national debt is unsustainable (it was 10.7ish then), we have all these unfunded liabilities... I then asked him with that in mind would you expect me to think it's going to ever come back to be what it was? He then kinda took my own point and then said that he is just as afraid as me.

Ladytaz0930 are u a idiot? If I remember right there were protesters around with signs. It became the Democrats battle cry for 5 years. And if you or anyone thinks the Iraq War bankrupted America then you seriously need educated. You need to fix some strong coffee and seek advice and do some reading and turn off MSLSD.

The war in Afghanistan will cost more than Iraq, they already need more money, more troops, help from other countries. Read some reports, follow some DOD information.
The war there will be longer, cost more and very deadly.

Then pick up a history book or two.

Then ask me, some one who has been supporting the troops AND THEIR CAUSE in IRAQ before day one. As you sit there complaining how bad it is, how Bush screwed this country, how the war broke the bank, how you want me to support YOUR president, how you want me to give him a chance.

When in fact MZ TAZ the liberals and democrats have been undermining every effort in both wars from day one. And it is not till some one stands up and puts you in your place that you begin in anyway to support the effort.

AND FURTHER MORE SUPPORTING THE TROOPS AND THEIR CAUSE IS THE KEY.

SUPPORTING THE TROOPS BUT NOT SUPPORTING THE WAR IS NOT AMERICAN IT IS NOT RIGHT.

So there are jets leaving this country every hour I strongly suggest you try to remove your head from someplace and either wise up or catch a jet to someplace you are welcomed.

UnAmerican....YES and YES!

UnAmerican.....If you click on the link below you will see that there are no death panels. Haven't you noticed that you are the only idiot that embarrass himself by mentioning death panels. Everyone else knows there is no such thing.

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-...

UnAmerican....Now I understand. Your worried about the government killing the retarded. I don't blame you.

Cambridge, I'm surprised you haven't called for single payer automobile insurance...

Youngstownshrimp.....Buy California real estate.

youngstownshrimp.....My knowledge is limited to residential real estate in the SF Bay Area. It's pretty much a no brainer. Real estate in that area pretty much doubles in value in about ten years.

Personally I like city living so for a personal residence I prefer the more urban the better. For rental property I prefer the suburbs because the homes are less expensive and easier to turn over. I'm setting things up for a potential rental purchase in the next year right now.

Any area you look into you need to do your homework and know the history of that market and evaluate it's potential for growth

Cambridge, What's the average monthly rent for an average two bedroom apt out there in SF?

Search....Here ya go. There are more than what are listed here but this will give you the range.

Rock bottom for a two bedroom apt. would be at least $2,000.00 a month. any less and your in a dump.

http://realestate.sfgate.com/for-rent...

Yeah that's jacked up. twice as expensive as a similar place here. I'm surprised that the crazy liberals out there havent tried to put rent controls on you guys and shut you down with this recession.

Search....Capitalism thrives in the Bay Area. California has the eighth biggest economy in the world. People out here are all about progression in every way including financial. Don't believe all the negative propaganda about Cali. Most of it is from people that have spent little or no time there.

Other than housing everything else cost the same. And utility cost are much lower because of the mild climate. Ask anybody that lives there why it's so expensive and they will tell you "because it's worth it."

youngstownshrimp....I'm not the California Chamber of Commerce. If you want answers to your questions I suggest you try Google.

Yeah I think twice about buying something here at a 6.75% sales tax. Usually I hold off big purchases til we go to Pennsylvania.

foxtrot....."California has such onerous regulations that no manufacture in their right mind would set up shop there."

How much time have you spent in California to become such an expert on what goes on there?Click on the link below and see if any of these companies seem familiar to you. Now that you have some real information feel free to comment.

http://thestreetsmartfool.wordpress.c...

I forgot to point out. The list of these 104 companies is from the list of "The Fortune 500". So out of the top 500 companies, 104 are in California.

foxtrot....Really, don't you feel kind of stupid? Although you do have Rulli Brothers.

If we are going to do single payer health care, dang it I want single payer auto insurance! It would make me happy to know that others would be footing the bill for my poor driving. Single payer autoinsurance makes about as much sense as single payer health insurance.

UnAmerican.....Every point you made in your statement is a lie. None of it is fact. You and your idiot friends make stuff up and I post proof of your BS. The eighth largest economy in the world. You've never even been to California have you?

You don't even know what goes on in your own personal affairs. "I have dental and vision after my deductible is paid." Your a genius. After your out of pocket $9,000.00 you can go get your tooth cleaned. The next time your going to post your crap how about providing some information to back it up. I get it, you don't like Cali. So what, who cares? I doubt that anyone there would like you either.

Pro, I'm going to have to take cambridge's side on the whole California thing. Northeastern Ohio is in the tank, let's focus on that before we start criticizing California. There's a reason a good part of Youngstown has moved to Columbus, let's focus on fixing Youngstown and let California's problems be California's problems.

I meant I'm taking Cambridge's side that you should drop talking about California. Blue Ohio is failing and Red Ohio is succeeding, I think we should focus on making Blue Ohio more conservative. I do believe that Youngstown is slowly becoming more conservative in the suburbs... youngstown itself is just a cesspool of idiots (brain drain isn't strong enough).

UnAmerican.....I don't have an employer. I retired in 2004 a millionaire and I'm still years away from social security. I live off of my investments. You and the "Moaning Valley" deserve each other.

I can't get cancelled by my insurance company or denied care. It's provided by my UNION for life. You don't need to worry about getting canceled either. Your insurance company will be happy to take your $4.000.00+ premium so you can spend your $5,000.00 deductible before their libel for your medical care. That's when you'll have to worry about being cancelled. :- )

Cambridge "I'm still years away from social security" I could only laugh when I heard that.

Search....You what's even funnier? You laughing at me. Your someone that just talks about it. I'm someone that's actually done it. ; > )

Done what? I'm refering to the fact that you actually believe you will receive back what the government has promised you with Social Security when it is only a short time before it goes into insolvency.

youngstownshrimp....Sacramento isn't the San Francisco Bay Area is it? Sacramento has always been a bad real estate market. Part of my technique was to avoid it.

I explained in earlier post my approach to real estate in the Bay Area. I don't know what else to tell you. I'm not your financial adviser your going to have to figure it out for yourself.

youngstownshrimp....It seems as though your friend not only doesn't know where to invest in real estate in Cali. he also doesn't know much about the population growth.

http://sanjose.bizjournals.com/sanjos...

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/stat...

Pro, I think you should look into a different policy. I say that because in capitalism it is the consumer's job to find the best deal. I think your getting screwed over with that plan.

UnAmerican....I never inherited a dime. Made my own way in life. I don't have to thank anyone for what I have and as I've stated before, I'm a capitalist through and through. Always have been.

You have a very unique insurance plan if it pays your medical bills before you pay your deductible. Or, maybe your full of crap and your making things up again.

Pro,
do you have to resort to questioning someone's wealth and whether they earned it to prove a political point? How cambridge makes his money is his business. I assume it was done in an admirable way through hard work and smart decisions. As people who are against bailouts shouldn't we be celebrating people who have made sacrifices and worked hard? Just because I don't agree with cambridge politically doesn't mean I have to resent his success.

UnAmerican....I have never said that I'm self employed. I'm retired and living off of my investments. And unlike you, once a union member always a union member.

You seem to just blurt out anything so it will fit your way of thinking. You should consider using facts, that way you you wouldn't look so stupid all the time. When you make stuff up or rant about death panels and birth certificates, socialist, Nazis, the Mafia and provide no documentation to backup what you say and five minutes later someone like me provides documentation that proves what you just said is a lie you look stupid. What is really amazing is i expect you in the very next post to tell me again how there will be death panels and then I'll post something that proves you made it up. I'm pretty sure there might be something wrong with your brain.

Search....Thanks for trying to be the voice of reason but you started all this. LOL! At some point our discussion turned towards investments and all I said was that I had invested in real estate and the stock market and made a ton of money doing it. Now anyone reading this thread is bored to tears and your to blame.

I think your starting to see how mean spirited some people are. Some are just stuck in some backward way of thinking and anything different or progressive scares them The health insurance issue is a prime example. That's why people like our friend here just blindly get ripped off and hit over the head by their insurance companies and then stick up for them and oppose the government stepping in to stop this abuse. Anyway, stop causing trouble.

I just was trying to prove the point that the stock market going up doesn't mean jobs. In no way did I intend for ProAmerican to question how someone like you makes a livelihood.

Some insurance salesman needs to talk to ProAmerican and get him a better deal.

shrimp....I was challenged as to what I know about investments and I verbalized the results of my investments. I don't know any other way to prove that I had successful investments. I'm not bragging or trying to impress anyone.

You don't know anything about me and for you to say the reason for my fortune was luck is disrespectful. You don't know what sacrifices i made or the chances I took in a high dollar real estate market and a stock market that obviously has it's ups and downs. Believe me luck had nothing to do with it.

On the other hand I do know about you. I know that the fact that I've had financial success some how bothers you. I've met many of people in my life who thought they were businessmen just like you do. Many of them weren't as successful as myself and I've seen some go broke. To be honest with you the fact that my success some how bothers you makes me smile.