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Canfield’s ‘filthy’ house



Published: Wed, October 28, 2009 @ 12:01 a.m.

Two children remain in protective custody after Canfield police removed them from the home.

By ELISE FRANCO

Vindicator staff writer

CANFIELD — A city couple is charged with child endangering and cruelty to animals after two children and nine animals were removed from their home.

Canfield Detective Brian McGivern said the children, both boys ages 7 and 2, were placed in protective custody, and will remain there for at least 30 days. The animals were taken to the Mahoning County dog warden but did not survive.

He said the children, along with seven dogs and two cats, were taken from the home of Brian Spin, 38, and Betsy Spin, 32, of 535 Brookpark Drive.

Police found them living in deplorable conditions Thursday. McGivern said the house was filled with garbage, animal and human waste and mold.

“The entire house was completely uninhabitable,” he said. “It was like walking in two inches of maple syrup. That’s how saturated the rugs were with urine and feces.”

McGivern said police were called to the home after a woman driving by saw three dogs running loose on the street. When officers arrived at the residence, McGivern said they found Spin in the yard with the three dogs.

“These dogs were in bad shape,” he said. “When you walk in the house, your eyes start watering and you start coughing. It was a foul odor.”

McGivern said the children were in an upstairs bedroom with Betsy Spin’s mother Georgia Holowach. He said they were covered in bug bites and very dirty.

“They were filthy, very poor hygiene, but they were in good health,” he said. “The 2-year-old was still being breast fed by [Betsy Spin] every two hours.”

The older child was home-schooled, McGivern said. Spin worked from home, and his wife was unemployed.

The couple was forced to leave the residence and had been staying with family. They were brought to the Canfield Police Department on Tuesday afternoon, booked and released under the responsibility of their attorney.

They now face nine counts of cruelty to animals and two counts of child endangering. They are scheduled to appear in Mahoning County Court in Canfield at 5:30 p.m. Wednesday.

McGivern said the investigation continues.

The 4,596 square foot home, which is owned by Holowach, has a total market value of $344,600 and was built in 1967, according to the Mahoning County Auditor’s Web site.

McGivern said the Spins lived in the home through a land agreement.

About a half-dozen neighbors contacted Tuesday afternoon said they didn’t want to discuss the matter.

McGivern said it took the dog warden four days to find and remove all the animals.

“Trash was piled so high inside the house, and the animals were just running wild that he couldn’t just climb over it,” he said.

Dog Warden Dave Nelson said three dogs died en route to the pound, and the other six animals were euthanized because of their condition.

The dog warden found another dog Tuesday afternoon living inside a mattress in the back yard.

“They had mange all over their bodies, which caused extreme pain,” he said. “The sores they had caused bits of their ears to fall off because it rots the skin.”

Nelson said the animals ranged from 1 to 6 years old, and were extremely emaciated.

“This is in the top 10 of all the houses I’ve raided in the past 20 years,” he said. “It’s just bad. It’s beyond belief.”

efranco@vindy.com


Comments

1Ginger76(178 comments)posted 5 years ago

Im guessing Meth?

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2ads(109 comments)posted 5 years ago

There has to be something wrong with the adults in that house. My first thought was drugs too! Those poor children and animals. A 2 year old still breast feeding?? And how did those children live.. 2 year olds are always falling, what this little boy was trenching through crap, literally. DISGUSTING!!!

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3Ginger76(178 comments)posted 5 years ago

I can smell when my cat takes a poop in the litter box in the basement!

a 4596 sqft home filled with poop and urine? o my gawd!

They will get off with "hoarding" or something...

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4sue(172 comments)posted 5 years ago

This situation is BIZARRE. Why would the grandmother of the children let her house get trashed and her grandchildren be neglected?

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5aeparish(669 comments)posted 5 years ago

Is the grandmother getting charged at all? I mean, if she was in the house, she saw what was going on.

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6Jon(27 comments)posted 5 years ago

"This situation is BIZARRE. Why would the grandmother of the children let her house get trashed and her grandchildren be neglected?"

..Trust me, if you met the grandmother, this story is not unbelievable.... I've met this family & I am not surprised

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7Ginger76(178 comments)posted 5 years ago

Look them up on public records search....
Discover Card,
Mastercard COMPLAINT AMOUNT: $74939.39
3 DUI's

nice.......

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8ojanet22(134 comments)posted 5 years ago

It's difficult to fathom that none of the neighbors intervened on behalf of those poor children and animals. There had to be a horrendous stench emanating throughout the neighborhood, particularly during the heat of the summer months. It's likely these "neighbors" declined to be interviewed due to guilt and embarassment.

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9MAP1976(7 comments)posted 5 years ago

Kudos to whoever called on those dogs. Now those kids are out of that situation. People who neglect their animals typically neglect their kids. I'm sad those dogs died, but atleast their suffering is over. Clearly these two people were wither mentally illl or drug addicts. I'm going with addicts. Two things that piss me off are child abuse/neglect and animal abuse/neglect. If you cant properly care for them don't have em...Scumbags!!!!!!!!!!

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10MAP1976(7 comments)posted 5 years ago

Amen PenguinBird! So glad I never felt the need to experiment with drugs. I can't understand why anyone does. I mean how many people can "try" crack, meth, whatever and not get addicted? Anyone with half a brain has to know the outcome of just trying something once or twice.

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11Lifesnadir(164 comments)posted 5 years ago

The bigger problem is, WHERE do people go for help when their lives and homes get so far out of control??? Would YOU be able to ask for intervention when it's the FIRST 6 months of your living conditions deteriorating?? What about after 1 year?? What about 18 months and now the trash is overflowing?? Would you ask at 2 years, after carpets are urine soaked, trash piled high, kids out of control. WHERE would you start if it was YOU?? Lots of things contribute to such conditions: complications from pregnancy; drug or alcohol abuse; major depression (or post-partum depression); other mental illness... Most addicts and some mentally ill will not or cannot ask for help. So, when YOUR life deteriorates to this level, who would you ask for help, knowing that there is NO agency who would give practical-hands on help to get your home cleaned up, get you mental help and support, AND get your kids and animals back to health. There is NO PLACE that gives that kind of hands-on help. No one starts out to live in filth and crap. So, what if your life became so bad that you were living in deplorable conditions?? WHO would you call?? Good luck finding such help if you ever need it.

And, there's plenty of families living like this. Closed doors, closed blinds, everyone passes by, and the families keep quiet because of shame, embarrassment, fear....

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12Ginger76(178 comments)posted 5 years ago

It's a failure of our society - yes - but let's not forget
personal responsibilty....

It will be a very "interesting/sad" story when we find out what went wrong.

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13Shandre83(20 comments)posted 5 years ago

What the hell! NO COMMENT FROM THE NEIGHBORS!!!!!!!!

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14Reader(126 comments)posted 5 years ago

this comment is in reply to

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Lifesnadir (69 comments)posted 13 minutes ago

"The bigger problem is, WHERE do people go for help when their lives and homes get so far out of control??? Would YOU be able to ask for intervention when it's the FIRST 6 months of your living conditions deteriorating?? What about after 1 year?? What about 18 months and now the trash is overflowing?? Would you ask at 2 years, after carpets are urine soaked, trash piled high, kids out of control. WHERE would you start if it was YOU?? Lots of things contribute to such conditions: complications from pregnancy; drug or alcohol abuse; major depression (or post-partum depression); other mental illness... Most addicts and some mentally ill will not or cannot ask for help. So, when YOUR life deteriorates to this level, who would you ask for help, knowing that there is NO agency who would give practical-hands on help to get your home cleaned up, get you mental help and support, AND get your kids and animals back to health. There is NO PLACE that gives that kind of hands-on help. No one starts out to live in filth and crap. So, what if your life became so bad that you were living in deplorable conditions?? WHO would you call?? Good luck finding such help if you ever need it.

And, there's plenty of families living like this. Closed doors, closed blinds, everyone passes by, and the families keep quiet because of shame, embarrassment, fear...."

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Apparently you are somehow involved in this whole mess or just have no clue. You seem to be one of those people who find anywhere to place blame but the place blame belongs.

What ever happened to people helping themselves?
Couldn't they have turned the dogs/cats over to an animal shelter and clean up their own mess? How about feeding the pets? Do they need to ask for help to feed their pets? If they just lost their former home in 2007 as previously posted, then they had the chance to start over with this one and KEEP IT CLEAN! How about if they just kept the pets to the basement and outside? How about if they kept just one room clean enough for their children? You seem to be having a pitty party for these horrible parents and abuser of pets.

Maybe the authorities can charge them with neglect, cruelty to animals, child endangering, child abuse.....something has to stick and if you pile enough charges, something has to warrant jail time for more than an misdemeanor.

Filthy disgusting slobs. I hope the kids find a better environment to live in and the pets rest in peace.

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15Jon(27 comments)posted 5 years ago

To Reader-

There is no way Lifesnadir knew this family - if they did there would be no sympathy. This story is no surprise (except maybe the extent of the problem) to people that knew them.

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16standup4ytown(20 comments)posted 5 years ago

I went to Mooney with Brian Spin. I would bet a lot on the "drugs" factor. This is so sad and sick!

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17henryviii1509(274 comments)posted 5 years ago

I'll toss my 2 cents in.....

The neighbors bear some responsibility here. We are all in this mess of a world together and every one of us is responsible for the problems if we know or suspect something and don't DO SOMETHING about it.

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18Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years ago

This was merely a biological experiment ! Their contribution to medical science is immeasurable . The fact that three dogs died on the way to the pound and the people residing in the house is proof . Their immune systems are second to none .

FUNDED BY OBAMA HEALTH CARE GRANT
http://i36.tinypic.com/b861hl.jpg

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19jireland1(41 comments)posted 5 years ago

This just goes to show you cannot judge a book by it's cover. Just because it's a nice house in a nicer neighborhood on the outside doesn't mean that it isn't a big pile of poo on the inside.

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20DJG(2 comments)posted 5 years ago

Are you flipping kidding me? Kids, dogs and a grandmother that did nothing about it? What to hell? From the photos, the parents seem to be in pretty good shape unless those were photos from prior arrests. In this day and age there is no reason for anything of the sort. Mrs.Holowach is a former acquaintance and I would have never imagined that she would let this kind of thing go on with her beloved grandchildren. All 3 of those demented adults deserve serious prison time. Canfield, Youngstown or Boardman, doesn't matter. One never knows what happens behind closed doors. Home schooling is another joke!! You aren't smart enough to clean up dog poop, how are you going to educate your child? Did you attend parenting classes? You all have serious issues and really need to be taken out behind a barn and left for, well, maybe dead as your pets now are. How much longer before your children would have caught some horrible disease and died? Mrs.Holowach always bragged about Betsy, about how smart and wonderful she was. To bad her eyes weren't opened to the REAL person Betsy was/is. May God help all of you and see you through this disaster and may you NEVER get your children back!

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21meganz(7 comments)posted 5 years ago

This is heartbreaking. I can hardly breath just thinking about what those animals and children went through. Where did these people get all these animals? I mean if you can't take care of one why would you bring 10 more home? I wonder how many already died there--and what they did with their bodies. God only knows. The neighbors had to have seen something at some point--if a person driving by noticed how bad the dogs looked--surely the neighbors did. There is no excuse for anyone not reporting animal cruelty. PERIOD!!! May those poor animals rest in peace. We can't be so self absorbed that we don't notice something so horrific right next door!!!!!

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22meganz(7 comments)posted 5 years ago

If the neighbors had reported it--what took so long for someone to do something?? Did you see the little white dog the Dog Warden found in the back yard while cameras were rolling? That dog was barely alive--that didn't happen overnight. So either the neighbors waited too long or the authoritiies did. How hard is it to make a phone call? These people are monsters.

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23Ginger76(178 comments)posted 5 years ago

Those dogs suffered for a VERY VERY long time....

It take a tremendous amount of time to get like that.

I hope they never get the kids back.

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24AKAFR1(322 comments)posted 5 years ago

Pro...maybe we should have Rush Limbaugh lead the way for re-instating American Values... Divorced numerous times, a known drug addict and draft dodging chicken hawk. If that does not work, we can use the family values of Newt Gingrich...

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25ojanet22(134 comments)posted 5 years ago

proamerican & jessiedavid, why are you turning this horror story into a Rush Limbaugh style political rant? Stay on topic please!

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26Ginger76(178 comments)posted 5 years ago

what is with the effing politics?

THEY ALL SUCK!

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27redgpgtp(37 comments)posted 5 years ago

Hmmm can you say "white trash"?

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28FormerYtowner(96 comments)posted 5 years ago

Pro,
You are the very definition of a biggot.

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29ads(109 comments)posted 5 years ago

why do these forums always turn into trival name calling comments? stick to the subject people!

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30Ginger76(178 comments)posted 5 years ago

amen....

There is Politics forum made just for you!

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31AKAFR1(322 comments)posted 5 years ago

Pro...you are such a hypocrite. Rush is a drug addict and you claim it is the fault of the "medical profession." Where is his Republican personal responsibility???

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32meganz(7 comments)posted 5 years ago

This is why things like this go unnoticed and unreported. Everyone is worried about their own agenda--no one can stay focused long enough to help anyone but themselves.

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33wineywoman(78 comments)posted 5 years ago

I cannot believe that you hood wearing jerks (Pro American,&AKAFR1) are turning this into a political statement about the President!! Are you yahoos really that single minded? This is about a truly disfunctional family whose lifestyle has endangered the health and well-being of the children and pets that are their victims. It is a tragedy any way you look at it. It's people like you who will keep these states from ever truly being united. You really have no clue how this country came into existance do you? No doubt, your ancestors were some of the prisoners sent here from Europe in hopes they would fall off the edge of the flat earth you obviously still think exists.

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34INTERNATIONAL(3 comments)posted 5 years ago

COME ON YOU GUYS . WE WERE JUST ABOUT TO PICK UP THE POOP THAT DAY. DID THE DOG WARDEN TELL YOU ALL HE SEEN MY BROOM AND SHOVEL. I WAS JUST ABOUT TO MOP WHEN HE CAME IN THE DOOR GIVE ME A BREAK WELL I'LL TELL THE JUDGE MY STORY. AN I JUST FED THE DOGS 5 MINS BEFORE THE WARDEN CAME.I WANT MY DOGS BACK AN MY RUGS AN THREE DOGS WAS OUTSIDE TO DO THEY NUMBER IN THE YARD PEOPLE SHOULD MINE THERE ON BUSINESS SOME OF THE TIME

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35MAP1976(7 comments)posted 5 years ago

Of course they plead not quilty. Of course it wasn't their fault. Heck I bet those were not even their dogs..NOT....There better be some jail time for these nuts. Hope the kids get put into a normal functional home and not with that grandmother.

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36mighty1(12 comments)posted 5 years ago

HEY PRO, SIT YOU'RE A- - DOWN LIKE THE CLEVELAND BROWNS!! JUST SPEWING FOR NO GOOD REASON!!

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37mighty1(12 comments)posted 5 years ago

Hey Pro,
stop spewing you're mess, find another subject to blame Obama for.

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38Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years ago

This house should be studied for biodiversity . There may be rare pathogens living in that house .

DOG FLU EPIDEMIC
http://i36.tinypic.com/b861hl.jpg

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39najjjj(106 comments)posted 5 years ago

"FormerTtowner, the correct spelling of bigot is spelled only one "g", not two, It's bigot, lol."

ProAmerican, Thank you for the spelling lesson. It does not surprise me in the least, that the spelling of the word "bigot" is one of the few things you do get correct.

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40Kayfabe(4 comments)posted 5 years ago

I also went to school with Brian, and he was actually one of my best friends. He comes from an excellent family, with three siblings and great parents. I lost touch with him after high school, and knew he had pretty much stopped all contact with his family. It's horrible what has happened to him, and I feel for his parents and brother and sisters. They don't deserve what they are going to have to go through with all of this. I know there were problems with drugs and alcohol, and that's what this is looking like as the root of this mess. There can't be any rational excuse why this happened.

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41Reader(126 comments)posted 5 years ago

To AlwaysHope:

you quoted me on something "Lifesnadir" said.
I fully agree with the position you take on this subject. Just want to correct who said what.

On another note, I feel that there should be some system in place to provide well checks on home schooled children. Some type of required home visits and proof of annual doctors visits. SOMETHING!

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42pinnykat(3 comments)posted 5 years ago

the neighbors refused to comment? Anyone of them could have reported something and remained anonymous. And you know someone on that street suspected something im sure. There is no excuse for this and the grandmother is wrong too. Shame on her too. Karma will come back around at them. All that matters right now is that the kids are in a better place. The parents and even the grandmother will get theirs. It will all come back around someday.

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43Ginger76(178 comments)posted 5 years ago

does someone just like to read what they write or are we going to comment about the kids/dogs?

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44rex(64 comments)posted 5 years ago

May everyone who knew of this, or would/should have known if they had looked, suffer the same fate as the anamals who suffered horribly before dying.

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45northsideart(111 comments)posted 5 years ago

If the cops in Youngstown actually did something about barking/unrestrained dogs, they'd probably find one of these every day.

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46kindgirl(1 comment)posted 5 years ago

I knew the family, and they were a very kind, loving, and caring group--fine people. I was shocked to hear about this. Let's respect the family's privacy right now and say prayers for the two adults, their children, and the animals. They all need help.

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47tutubean(4 comments)posted 5 years ago

its not that hard to push or use a broom ..i've seen all types/kinds of people do it..even kids..even a cracked out person can do it,,,end of story.

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48AXLE69(181 comments)posted 5 years ago

Oh,why am I not surprised that Pro-Conservaterican somehow tied this totally un-related incident to the election of our president.Are you sure you didn`t visit that home, Pro-Conservaterican and sniff some fecal fumes to rot your mind,not that it needs any help,as evidenced by your posts here.Anyone who is new to the vindy.com blog,rest assured that Pro-Conservaterican is the all knowing defender of truth and the American way.At least in his mind.lol!!! He`s sort of like Superman for the teabaggers.LOL!!!!By the way,Pro-Conservaterican,I notice you never answered the question on another post whether you considered the right-wing whack jobs that kill doctors over abortion as murderers that deserve the death penalty.Are you afraid to answer that question,because you may disappoint the very few people that post on here who consider you rational? And if you want to talk about politicians that should be called scumbags,please,please don`t leave out DICK Cheney.And throw his little girl Liz into the mix also.What a couple of sorry excuses for patriots.And how many deferments did the old chicken hawk DICK receive during Vietnam again? Oh yea, 5................

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49aeparish(669 comments)posted 5 years ago

Say prayers for the animals? The poor things are all dead now! It's a little late for prayers on their end.

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50najjjj(106 comments)posted 5 years ago

ProAmerican, If anyone wanted your brand of wisdom, all they need do is hang out around the back end of an elephant with rampant diarrhea.

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51aeparish(669 comments)posted 5 years ago

Hope, and your spelling is sh*ttier than the Canfield couple's house.

Sorry, just couldn't help myself, haha.

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52najjjj(106 comments)posted 5 years ago

ProAmerican, I'm sure it surprises no one to find out that you are a hitler aficionado.....as it does not surprise me to see that you entirely missed the point of my comment to you.

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53Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years ago

So PenguinBird are you inferring that Bush and Cheney were responsible for this biohazard in Canfield also ? I wonder if there was any dog crap was washed out of the houses in New Orleans by the hurricane ?

BTW as a true gesture of compassion a fund raising effort should be started to buy a large commercial pressure washer to be used on the Canfield house . A septic service company ( AKA HONEY DIPPER ) could then pump the effluent out of the basement . A chlorine gas treatment could then eliminate any residual bacteria . Let's restore dignity and sterility back to that old house .

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54AXLE69(181 comments)posted 5 years ago

ROTFLMO Pro-Conservaterican.You lecturing people about whining is priceless seeing as you are the biggest whiner to blog on here.I`ve gone back and read your posts and they are nothing but whining especially since you`re dumb as a box of rocks girl Sarah Palin got her behind handed to her last November around this time.lol! I`m not whining about the abortion issue,I just wanted to prove,(and I did) that you support someone being murdered in their own church handing out bulletins by your right to life crazy buddies.Dr.Tiller,whom you label a murderer performed legal medical procedures at the request of his patients.Maybe in your warped mind,that`s murder,but as long as abortion is legal it`s not.You conservative whack jobs just can`t get that through your thick skulls.So all you Pro-Conservaterican admirers out there( are there any?) I hope you realize just how whacked out Mr.Teabagger Superman actually is.And dude,don`t ever lecture me about morals.I most likely have more in the tip of my little finger than you have ever had in your life.You support murder because it fits your agenda.I wouldn`t be surprised to hear on the news that you gunned somebody down one day.Get some help before you make a terrible mistake and end up in prison with a 6`5 300 lb socialist cellmate named Bubba Obama.LOL!!!!!!!

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55Ginger76(178 comments)posted 5 years ago

Who listens to this garbage?

Jesus Christ...

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56Shandre83(20 comments)posted 5 years ago

Just help the children in situation. They need it the most. The people who they love the most (mom and dad) are the ones who put them in this misery of a life. The kids don't know any better because they are used to that environment. Forget about the animals and just think about the kids.

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57dawgalong(86 comments)posted 5 years ago

There is an organization that can help animals in distress such as in this case. I own several businesses that deal with homes and properties like this residence, which is only a couple blocks from my home. Unfortunately, most of the time when we arrive to "clean out" a property, it is too late. We have found pets left behind by distressed families that have suffered and died because people did not know what to do with them. Perhaps the mental anguish caused by situations like these do not allow clear thought. We unfortunatly encounter situations like this 90% of the time. Dirty diapers and all types of filthy living conditions are not isolated to this situation. Like the civil servants that had to discard their clothes, we have had to remove and disgard our clothing many times after completing work in "homes" like this. I have taken to buy the cheapest shoes available so that I can throw them into the dumpster prior to leaving the property. The worst case was in Hubbard, where the family actually kept a pig in the basement. If you know of people like this or care to have an alternative to the pound, I would proudly recommend that you contact
www.NoPawsLeftBehind.org
a non profit rescue network operated nation wide by caring folks that will gladly attempt to rescue pets that are left behind. My companies support their work, proudly display their logo on our equipment, and have found them to be a first class operation. I own a dog, I am not in any way an animal activist or extremist, but after you have seen first hand the suffering that pets endure when a family goes under, organizations like No Paws Left Behind start to make sense. We will not bid to clean this property. But we will bid competitvely to demolish it.

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58Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years ago

Well PenguinBird all Obamacare has for me is taxation of my healthcre benefits and if I lose them then I get a big hefty fine . Yep, IT'S ALL GOOD !

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59aeparish(669 comments)posted 5 years ago

Or we could just be like Obama and think of moronic ways to make it even worse. :-)

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60aeparish(669 comments)posted 5 years ago

That's because we're sick of footing the bill for all the lazy people that won't get up and work.

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61phantomphan09(5 comments)posted 5 years ago

I got laid off almost a year ago. I was not with the company long enough to get unemployment. I have been looking for about six months now. You have some nerve calling people without jobs "lazy". As for footing the bill, you aren't. We get no assitance even though we are eligible. So before you insult everyone, stop and think.

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62aeparish(669 comments)posted 5 years ago

I'm well aware of the unemployment situation. TRUST ME. My family is directly affected by it. I never once criticized those who were unemployed through no fault of their own. Perhaps I should have been a little more specific in my original comment. Then again, perhaps you both could have not jumped the gun and assumed that I was trying to attack people who have unfortunately lost the job that they at one point had.

I'm not a moron; I know that the people on unemployment right now were people that at one time had a job. I'm talking about the people who never worked in the first place.

I'm getting at the people who choose welfare as a career and a way of life. The people who do nothing with their lives except procreate without financial and mental stability. The ones that have ten kids who taxpayers support because they won't. THOSE are the people I'm referring to.

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63yix2k(20 comments)posted 5 years ago

Actually - yeah, people without jobs ARE lazy if they're able to work and don't.

Forget cuing the violin for the 'poor' unemployed. There's always options. There's changing industries. Doing menial work you wouldn't normally do and working your way up some other ladder. And *gasp* going back to school and learning about some other field.

If you're still in a rough spot after, say, a year, its YOUR fault, not the fault of the "economy." industries grow and die - that's life. Either you change, or you get pulled under.

Suck it up.

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64MrsMac(13 comments)posted 5 years ago

YSUGrad, You are so right, and make me proud that I sent my children to YSU. These "parents" are pigs. I cannot believe anyone would be willing to trust them will children or animals --- EVER again.

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65phantomphan09(5 comments)posted 5 years ago

Are you going to pay for me to go to school? And for a sitter for my children? As for menial work, two fast food places turned me down because they said I was overqualified to work there. They were afraid I would get bored or disgusted and quit soon after starting. I guess it is my fault that I didn't prentend to be a moron at the interviews.

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66yix2k(20 comments)posted 5 years ago

phantomphan09, haven't you ever heard of a Pell Grant or online classes? Student loans? Google the term Fafsa. You apply on the government website for money for school. Shop around for schools - find out which one has a decent tuition rate and has a degree program you want in a relatively stable industry (ie: not web design) - check Baker College (MI) first because it may be the one of the more affordable ones out there.

Then you can work on school work and still not have to worry about a babysitter. Look at that: problem solved.

If acting like a total dipsh*t at an interview, and un-padding your resume or not including information on your application helps you get a job, then that's what you do. Worst comes to worse, go work at West. They'll tell you flat out they'll hire literally anyone who can type without drooling on the keyboard. It's a terrible job, pays in parakeet food, and their computer systems are embarrassingly under-maintained, but it's a paycheck.

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67gnemalie(3 comments)posted 5 years ago

Unfortunately, this is not uncommon. These people just lost their house not long ago, he was self employed, she was unemployed. In Niles, there was a doctor and a nurse who, over a period a year, left nearly 30 cats and 2 dogs in a house after they moved out. The house was one giant toilet, flea infested, cats dying from the fleas, while they came to feed and water them once every week or two. They hired a neighbor to help them take care of the cats finally, but never paid her, and the doctor ended up locking all the cats out of the house so he could gut it, remodel it and rent it out. These people are horrible. Then he built his nurse girlfriend another house, and we hear she's hording there, too.

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