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Ursuline, Mooney familiar with Week 15



Published: Sun, November 29, 2009 @ 12:09 a.m.

Both schools will play for their third state crowns in this decade.

By TOM WILLIAMS

VINDICATOR SPORTS sTAFF

YOUNGSTOWN — After the Ursuline High football team qualified for its third straight state championship game appearance, senior center David Rossi admitted that his teammates’ jubilation was contained.

“It’s big, but we’ve got unfinished business,” said Rossi on Friday after the Irish defeated West Lafayette Ridgewood, 48-6, at Canton Central Catholic’s Lowell Klinefelter Field.

That win advances Ursuline (10-3) to Friday’s Division V state final against Coldwater (13-1) at Canton’s Fawcett Stadium.

Also playing in a state final game on Friday will be Ursuline’s archrival Mooney (14-0). The Cardinals advanced to the Div. III title contest by blasting Steubenville, 45-7, at Fawcett Stadium.

Mooney will play Columbus DeSales (11-3) at Massillon’s Paul Brown Tiger Stadium. It will be the Cardinals’ fifth state game in six seasons.

Ursuline coach Dan Reardon said having gone through championship week twice helps.

“This week, there are a lot of distractions,” Reardon said. “There are so many things that a typical week doesn’t bring you.

“Everything increases — the level of competition obviously, the media requests, the booster club requests, the ticket request,” Reardon said. “Everything is turned up a notch.

“Last year, we handle it much better the second time around,” Reardon said. “And I’m sure we’ll handle it this time.”

The Irish and Cardinals are seeking their third state crowns in this decade.

In 2000, Ursuline defeated Coldwater, 49-37, to win in Div. IV. Last year, the Irish avenged their 2007 title game loss in Div. V by defeating Findlay Liberty-Benton, 21-0.

In 2004, Mooney won the Div. IV title by beating Versailles, 28-6. Two years later, the Cardinals defeated Jonathan Alder, 26-12.

The result was different in 2005 and 2007 when Mooney played Coldwater. The first time, the Cardinals lost, 33-9. In 2007, Coldwater edged Mooney, 28-27.

Asked about the difficulty of avoiding overconfidence, Irish senior tailback Allen Jones said, “It [might be] hard but we rise over adversity and everything that goes on on the field.”

The unbeaten Cardinals have been challenged in a few of their games while the Irish lost to Pittsburgh Central Catholic, Mentor Lake Catholic and Mooney.

“We started off kind of rocky, but we came together and now we are finishing strong,” said junior running back Akise Teague who had a 76-yard run and a 74-yard punt return touchdown against Ridgewood.

Asked when he thought the Irish had the Ridgewood game under control, Teague said, “When we started breaking the real long runs, when the offense started flowing.”

Long runs were also a factor in Mooney’s dismissal of Steubenville. West Virginia recruit Braylon Heard had a 94-yard touchdown and rushed for 298 yards. He scored two other touchdowns as the Cardinals avenged their 2008 playoff ouster by the Big Red.

Omens point to two more football championships for the Mahoning Valley.

Ursuline has a 1-0 series lead over Coldwater. In Week 2 of this regular season, Mooney defeated DeSales, 21-14, at Youngstown State University’s Stambaugh Stadium.

williams@vindy.com


Comments

1uhs86(2 comments)posted 5 years, 1 month ago

What exactly is div 1 talent? Tired of the crying about Ursuline and Mooney. Divisions are set based on enrollment not talent! Perhaps the disipline these programs have is what your school lacks.

I think one should be happy to have Youngstown represented on a state level. I live in Columbus now and people don't even know you exist up there anymore. If the valley want economic help, maybe just maybe the free press about the fighting spirit these kids have and the quality education these schools provide could make the town an attractive place for business.

In any event you should be proud of these schools PERIOD! Or shut up and coach one the the other schools to beat them.

Just saying......

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2mikeymike(469 comments)posted 5 years, 1 month ago

Mooney 1993-you have become nothing but a joke,no one cares what you have to say,you are ZZZZ.You spew out hate toward Mooney and Ursuline,along with the Catholic Church.It is apparent that you have no life,other than to slam,Mooney,Ursuline and the Catholic Church.Get a grip boy,and get some help for your issues,you need it.For the record,I went to a public school,but back valley schools,regardless of who they are.GOOD LUCK Mooney and Ursuline.BTW look in the yellow pages now for a mental health provider,before you die from Catholic rage.

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3larrythewineguy(50 comments)posted 5 years, 1 month ago

The valley is in an uproar. Whoa devildog! Your sense of the impact of this on line debate in the valley is a reflection of your sense of self-importance. There are many other more important issues for the valley. If we can avoid the Catholic derangement syndrome for just a moment I would like you or the other parochial naysayers to account for the following facts. Steubenville beat Massillon Washington. Massillon Washington lost to Cleveland Glenville last night in a very competitive Division 1 semi-final game. Steubenville beat Woodland Hills one of the PIAA top AAAA public high school teams. It would appear Woodland Hills is on course for a game with North Penn in the PIAA tournament. North Penn is a nationally ranked public high school program this year. Is it fair that Steubenville is such a consistently great OHSAA Division III program? Should Steubenville be subject to some sort of multiplier in the name of fairness? Should Steubenville be penalized for the large number of players it dresses compared to other OHSAA Division III teams? Once you address these queries perhaps you could explain how CMHS dispatched a team as talented as the Steubenville Stallions. As a final request for your sage input please explain how with all the supposed surreptitious advantages afforded parochial schools that neither Division 1 championship game teams are parochial schools and that this year’s final bracket is composed of 6 public and 6 parochial schools. It would appear the current OHSAA tournament system is working well.

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4larrythewineguy(50 comments)posted 5 years, 1 month ago

Devil dog,
As expected, you failed to address any of the issues I raised in my previous post. Rather your response was more hearsay and opinion. Again, please respond to the questions and concepts I posed previously.

The number of people actually commenting on this subject is relatively limited. The number of comments per contributor is very high. The number of contributors vehemently opposed to the current system is very limited. The contributors that are vehemently opposed seem to share a strong intolerance of Catholicism and organized religion. If in fact there is a separation of parochial and public schools I would hope it would be a result of a thorough review of the facts rather than irrational, unfounded hysteria. I am sure in your mind this is a very important valley and state issue and this influences your perception of reality.

By the way there are approximately 300% more parochial high schools in OH than your estimate.

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5larrythewineguy(50 comments)posted 5 years, 1 month ago

Also, though only conjecture on my part I contend the number of those posters opposed to parochial participation in the OHSAA tournaments are posting under multiple screen names.

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6mikeymike(469 comments)posted 5 years ago

You are 100% correct devil dog there is non stop talk about Mooney And Ursuline,every where I go,bars,restaurants,you name it and the talk is how good they are.I don't hear anything negative about them,except from you and a hand full of anti-Catholic's.I bet you are from Boardman or Poland and are a sore loser.GO Mooney and Ursuline,bring back state titles.I feel the community would celebrate in victory and out of pride for not one but two state champions.Hey devil dog ,I'm sure when you are at the bar,you are the only one running your mouth in between tears.

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7FormerYtowner(96 comments)posted 5 years ago

From here..... http://www.ode.state.oh.us/GD/Templat...

"Open Enrollment
A school district policy allowing students to attend a school other than a regularly assigned school at no cost to the student "

For all of you Mooney and UHS supporters..this is where the argument for open enrollment leveling the playing field falls short. In open enrollment, there is no tuition for boosters to pay.

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8Armyguy28(26 comments)posted 5 years ago

This Douche1993 guy needs to quit. Every positive article about one of these 2 schools and he starts flaming. The guy goes on and on about something he obviously is clueless about. Prolly is just upset he never was anygood at highschool sports himself so his glass has to half-empty on our local schools.

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9larrythewineguy(50 comments)posted 5 years ago

I am sure some football players receive tuition assistance. I am confident the vast majority of tuition assistance aids those with demonstrated financial need regardless of their participation in athletics. Do some athletes receive financial assistance? Undoubtedly the answer is yes. Do athletes receive a disproportionate share of tuition assistance? The answer is unequivocally no. Do parochial athletes receive any other type of financial consideration? The answer is unequivocally no. Further, athletes that do receive aid receive it regardless of the skill or ability. Many students that receive grant and aid gladly and willingly repay the kindness by working in the school and this includes athletes. Those persons opposed to parochial participation would have you believe that the success of the CMHS and UHS football programs is the result of illicit recruiting and pay-for-play. As CardsWin so eloquently stated,

“The formula is simple, success breeds success.”
“If you have the fiscal wherewithal to provide your children with THE BEST experience in the classroom and on the football field, why would you deprive them of that?”

Even if a student, regardless of athletic participation, does not have the financial means there is opportunity at CMHS and UHS.

If there was county-wide OE you might find an even greater athletic parity. As an example, if a student from the Youngstown public schools wanted to attend Poland Seminary or Canfield High School and this student's family was willing to make to sacrifices necessary to ensure the student's academic and athletic success. If this were the case would we be having this discussion?

“The formula is simple, success breeds success.”
“If you have the fiscal wherewithal to provide your children with THE BEST experience in the classroom and on the football field, why would you deprive them of that?”

Even if a student, regardless of athletic participation, does not have the financial means there is opportunity at CMHS and UHS.

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10larrythewineguy(50 comments)posted 5 years ago

I apologize for the repetition of the last two paragraphs. I posted from a different computer and did not preview this last post.

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11justme13(4 comments)posted 5 years ago

I would like to wish the irish luck friday night but i do hope they have a larger fan turn out than against us Generals on friday. It looked from our side, and granted the home side was bigger, but you only filled one section. Being from Youngstown, i thought there would be more people there, not just from the school but the entire community. Our county has 3 school districts in it and we had people from all 3 there supporting our boys. We were very luck this year to have 2 of our county teams make it to semi-finals and both schools had a tremendous following. We are very proud of our Generals and you should be proud of the Irish. they are a very talented team. the entire community should go out and support them. again Good luck friday in the finals.

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12larrythewineguy(50 comments)posted 5 years ago

Mooney1993,
Wow! Is that all you can offer? You are presented with a series of posts on OE, tuition assistance and the Steubenville scenario for success. With all of that material your response is 6 parochial programs in the championship games even though parochial schools represent less than 10% of programs statewide? By the way 6 parochial schools in the championship games represent less than 7% of all OH parochial high schools. I am sorely disappointed. I thought you were a skilled debater. I was wrong. At least you avoided a gratuitous shot at the Church this time. That is something to be applauded. If all you have is bluster and opinion you, sir, are providing the yawns.

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13larrythewineguy(50 comments)posted 5 years ago

Yes it was a very logical statement. The representatives in the championship games are both rare regardless of public or parochial status.
As always you are confusing your subjective opinion of cheating with the objective facts of open enrollment and parochial enrollment. You are so emotionally distracted by your hateful religious intolerance you are incapable of objective debate.

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14treb77(5 comments)posted 5 years ago

I thought OHSAA rules didn't allow you to play any sports the first year you tranfer to a different high school? Is this different in parochial schools?

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15woolyd(579 comments)posted 5 years ago

Does Braylon Heard pay as much for his tuition as the guy in the band does? if not, why not? And how much less? I support both teams and hope they win state but lets be realistic schools do recruit especially parochials. Thye have to because there is no way they would so many great athletes in their schools.These schools are like the Yankees they have endless resources when it come to their athletic programs. But hey I dont blame them they are playing by the rules its the structure itself that is bad.

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161989GHSgradinFL(19 comments)posted 5 years ago

Blah...blah...blah. Same old arguement, just a different week.

GO CARDS!!
GO IRISH!!!

Graduated from Girard and attended Ursuline for one year also. I'm glad to see the valley has 2 teams that they can support. If you think the OHSAA has issues with private versus public schools, take a look at the FHSAA football playoffs. Private/parochial schools make up a much larger number of playoff teams than the public schools.

All those people complaining about recruiting, boosters helping to pay tuition, talent being too good, etc., just shut the heck up and cheer on these young men. I only hope that none of these young men read the posts of everyone that is pessimistic about these two great teams making it to the state finals.

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17ohgancpa(3 comments)posted 5 years ago

I would like to understand the explanation from the pro-parochial group on the 'statistical anomaly' that has 10% of the schools in OHSAA this year making up 38% of the final 4's in the 6 divisions, or the 91 out of 183 state champions since the playoffs were added in 1972.

As for the recruiting question, please read the series from the Plain Dealer....(interestingly this is about the battle between the Catholic schools in Cleveland recruiting against each other).

http://www.cleveland.com/big-man-on-c...

'Already, St. Edward High School coach Scott Niedzwiecki has heard about Ian, listing him in the big spreadsheets that every high school keeps on potential prospects, and calls him the quintessential Ohio State linebacker -- blond and brawny and fearless.'

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18CardsWin(10 comments)posted 5 years ago

Mooney1993: I took a quick glance at your previous 40 vindy posts. ALL of them relate to the SAME topic. Is there truly nothing else that provokes debative thought on your part? It is so sad that a man can become so obsessed over such an inconsequential (in the grand scheme of things) issue. The envy you feel at the success of others is pathetic. Seriously, if you're so compelled by this critical community issue, take meaningful and constructive steps to correct this perceived injustice. By the way, these schools thrive off the hate spewed by you and comparable others. CMHS / UHS successes will only be enhanced by your criticism, just as the impact of your repetitive and unimaginative 'contributions' continues to dissipate.

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19CardsWin(10 comments)posted 5 years ago

Sure, all of the schools Mooney played from the following small towns - Akron, Buffalo, Cleveland, Columbus, Warren and Youngstown - are so inept they can barely fend for themselves. By the way, parochial schools accounted for 8 of the 10 regular season games CMHS played (the 2 that did not were D 1), so your reasoning of Mooney targeting weak and unassuming public schools for their benefit is again in line with your consistently illogical remarks.

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20larrythewineguy(50 comments)posted 5 years ago

"It really is sad that education is taking a back seat to athletics." Mooney1993

More unfounded opinion from the most hateful, religious bigot in the valley. He will illustrate his opinions with the occassional exception to the unquestionably strong academic records of CMHS or UHS student athletes. He will ignore any reference to the contrary. He will ignore any questions that do not further his hateful cause. After much thought I have decided to stop feeding his ego. This is likely the only time he feels important so I will not give him that pleasure. Have fun in your electronic reality my friend. I know you don't have the temerity to take your fight to the real world so enjoy your celebrity here on line.

Go Cards!
Go Irish!

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21BayerSpons(9 comments)posted 5 years ago

Wow Mooney1993 and Devildog... you are still whinning about the same thing for the last 5 weeks, hahaha. You humor me! I really get a laugh out of reading your posts, so please keep talking about it!

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22justme13(4 comments)posted 5 years ago

treb77 is correct about transfers. the following was copied right from the OHSAA web site under eligibility.

Once you establish your eligibility at a high school, a
transfer to a different high school will mean you will
be ineligible for athletics for one year from
the date of enrollment in the new school.
• There are several exceptions to this regulation. To
see if you qualify for an exception, you and your
parents should arrange a meeting with your principal
or athletic administrator.
• If additional questions concerning these regulations
remain, school principals or athletic administrators
should contact the OHSAA.
OHSAA Regulations On
Scholarship
OHSAA Regulations On
Residence
OHSAA Regulations On
Transfers
Ohio High School Athletic Association
Regulations Overview

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23justme13(4 comments)posted 5 years ago

go to OHSAA.org and read the by laws. there are quite a few acceptions to the transer eligibility .

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24GROWUP(4 comments)posted 5 years ago

Mooney93, You are completely wrong about the rules for transfer students and the situations of the three players you mentioned. Koulianos' family moved from Campbell to Poland, Beachum's mother lived in Youngstown, and Zordich never, ever went to Canfield High School. You should probably get your facts straight before you run your mouth.Like other posters have been saying, SUCCESS BREEDS SUCCESS, those two players transferred to Mooney because they knew it would give them a better chance to make it to the next level, not because someone offered them free tuition.

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251989GHSgradinFL(19 comments)posted 5 years ago

Mooney93, what do you do that you have so much free time to post endlessly on the same topic you have been for the past 6-8 weeks?
Why can't you just give it a rest? No one actually gives a crap about the "unfairness" that CMHS and UHS have in "recruiting" players. From what I remember, I attended St. Rose in Girard and only had two options back in the late 80s, Girard HS or Ursuline HS. I was a football player. My father and grandfather were both graduates of UHS. My family had enough money to send me to Ursuline for a year and then my grandfather passed away. I didn't feel like attending UHS after that, so I transferred to GHS and just about repeated my classes all over again. The education that I received at UHS was top notch and I'm sure that the education that you received at CMHS was also. With the economy the way it is, I don't fault the system when these kids find a way to make it to these schools. As a parent, if I don't have enough money to send my kids to a private school and someone contacts me and wants to help me get my kids into a school with a better education system than the public schools, I'm not going to turn them away. I'm pretty sure that 95% of parents would feel the same way.

GO IRISH!!
Go Cards!!

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26FormerYtowner(96 comments)posted 5 years ago

1989GHSgradinFL,

I don't fault the kids or parents either for wanting to attend these schools, my objection is recruiting of athletes. I didn't play sports in high school and my mother couldn't afford to send me to a private school, where were the boosters then? I didn't play sports so i had no chance in hell getting free tuition. Offer free tuition to everyone or offer it to no one.

Now before all you bashers come out after me again, i saw first hand what happens when an athlete can't afford to go to a private school. It happens.

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27CardsWin(10 comments)posted 5 years ago

FormerYtowner:

How do you categorize yourself as an "athlete" if you admittedly "didn't play sports"?

By your logic, the fact that a non-athlete was not recruited unequivocally confirms the existence of recruiting. That's brilliant.

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28WOT(16 comments)posted 5 years ago

The O.B. Method rocks!

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29FormerYtowner(96 comments)posted 5 years ago

Cardswin,

I was not referring to myself as the one being the athlete.

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30BayerSpons(9 comments)posted 5 years ago

Noteworthy, you are calling Coldwater an opie school? Do you know anything about their football program and tradition?
Give it a rest, you wont hear any of their fans complain if they loose the game.

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31harbres(29 comments)posted 5 years ago

I'm not a Mooney OR an Ursuline fan --- I still root more for my hometown of Steubenville -- but the fact is -- no matter WHO they play for (recruited or not...) THEY are kids! And could stand a little adult support instead of the adults bickering amongst themselves. Great example set for them... way to go people!

I congratulate the players on Mooney and Ursuline for their hard work out on the field GOOD FOR THEM!! Keep on playing hard and with heart!

If you all are going to bicker about issues... right now would be the time to get in debates over things like the economy, health care reform, and things like the lack of police and fireman on the streets right now. See if your strong opinions and comments can be helpful in those parts of our lives. Instead there is bickering and name calling over one of the few positive things in this area right now!

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32ScarletGrey03(9 comments)posted 5 years ago

Even outsiders understand how asinine you haters are! Congrats Cards and Irish! Theres many more in the valley proud of you than there are put off by your success.

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