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Pickets win, all others lose



Published: Fri, November 27, 2009 @ 12:00 a.m.

Pickets win, all others lose

EDITOR:

Congratulations to the union and hired pickets for “winning” the stalemate at Save-a-Lot and shutting down another Youngstown area business.

By accomplishing another store closing and forcing the employees to travel to another site and forcing customers to shop elsewhere, just what does the union’s “success” mean to the community?

PHYLLIS RICCHIUTI

Poland


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1commoncents(53 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Phyllis makes a valid point that everyone should think about very thoroughly. The unions in the Valley have never accomplished anything other than creating and perpetuating an ignorant, toxic environment that drives business and jobs away, and prevents others from locating here.

We only need to look around for the clues. When otherwise successful companies finally say "enough" to the unions, what do they do? Close? No, they relocate to another area outside the union stranglehold where they are are welcomed and where their employees earn a good income rather than a ransom.

Where do the resulting unemployed Valley union workers go? Only the very few educated, intelligent, committed leave the Valley and find those good jobs in progressive, non-union markets. The vast majority stay right here to compound the problem because they are are unqualified for anything else but militant, anti-business union jobs in our modern economy.

Thank you, Phyllis, for raising the right question!

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2Lifes2Short(3867 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

I agree 100% Phyllis, the union had there time here, now it's time to move on to the future, move forward instead of backwards. What exactly did this accomplish? Absolutely nothing!

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3VINDYAK(1799 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

NOW where will the pickets go? How will they feed their children? Were these pickets paying their union dues? Were they paying income taxes on their earnings?

So, the unions win another one and what has that gotten us? Less competition in the area for better prices for us shoppers.

Looks like more shoppers are going to have to go to WalMart for lower prices and Giant Eagle will suffer. Is that what they wanted?

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4VINDYAK(1799 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

We all know these union people are Giant Eagle employees who are trying to create more union jobs in the valley, but at what cost? By driving out the smaller stores they are exposing their worst nightmare...WalMart. Giant Eagle cannot compete with WalMart's prices without affecting employee costs. By driving out the local stores, Giant Eagle union employees are forcing shoppers to go to WalMart, which will result in wage concessions at Giant Eagle in order to stay competitive.
Way to go Unions.

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5VINDYAK(1799 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

The writing is on the wall...I wonder how many union employees have made job applications at WalMart recently.

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6cambridge(2918 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

USEless1....You encourage people to boycott businesses that choose to employ union workers constantly. This is America. That means that people have the right to encourage others to patronize businesses that employ those union workers and avoid others that don't.

Nobody is forcing anyone to shop anywhere. The public chooses where they shop and apparently it's not where you do. I can understand that. The thought of being anywhere you have been makes me want to take a shower.

I'm curious. Did you spout the same hatred for unions while you spent your life belonging to them and benefiting from the generations of sacrifice that came before you?

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7KimS(10 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

At least the only people who lost their jobs were the picketers!

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8tnmartin(120 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

At some point, perhaps some some of these people might realize that this sort of thing is what has been killing the Valley for the last half-century. The unholy triad of corrupt union thugs plus a notoriously corrupt one-party political climate plus the rackets that we all know about but that works in cahoots with all the rest.

And you know it as well as I do.
You want jobs here? You want this to be a good place to work and live?

Make Ohio a Right to Work state.
Vote out the obvious thieves and rascals whose only qiualifications are ''endorsed Democrat", family name recognition, and / or the approval of the AFL-CIO.
Stop making a hero out of publicly known scoundrels like Traficant, turning a blind eye to after hours bars, prostitution, gambling, and really obvious forms of corruption.
Throw out some crooked judges while you're at it - I still remember being aghast when I was intorduced to a local figure as ''Judge X's bagman''. Everyone knew it., HONEST judges do not HAVE ''bagmen''. But you voted him in, knowing he was a thief.
No wonder no one will locate a business here. Can't blame them.

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9TB(1167 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Make it a Right to Work state indeed. Put further limitations on what people can freely do.

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10Search4Answers(710 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Tennessee is right to work and they just got VW to move production there. Chalk one up for right to work.

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11Search4Answers(710 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

WSJ recently did an article comparing Ohio and Texas. Some of the posters on here might find this interesting. http://online.wsj.com/public/article_...

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12TB(1167 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Make it a Right to Work state indeed. Put further limitations on what people can freely do. Let's keep anyone from organizing and making a living wage!

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13TB(1167 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Right to work limits our freedoms and constitutional rights to organize.

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14Search4Answers(710 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

It also enhances the freedoms of those who wish to work but don't want to be apart of a union.

One day all you union folk will wake up in a state that has no money, no jobs, and no hope; it is then that you too will be pushed to move to a state that is right to work just like everyone else who wishes to get a job and had lived in this state.

The "living wage" argument is completely wrong... the over paid union workers get their pay at the expense of the salaries of nonunion work. This might be a shocker to some but you might have to work for your wage.

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15cambridge(2918 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Search....LOL. That's an interesting comment from someone who has not yet earned a living themselves.

Maybe if you signed up for a history class you would learn that all workers benefit from the rights earned by union workers. That same history class will remind you of child labor, seven day work week, twelve hour work day, unsafe working conditions, no health care and on and on. You can thank the union movement for changing those conditions.

You know where there is a right to work state? India. They have 50 million adults unemployed and 50 million children in forced labor. I'm sure that's worth it to many who think like you because it keeps the prices at Wal-Mart low.

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16Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

"We all know these union people are Giant Eagle employees who are trying to create more union jobs in the valley,"

WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!

The picketing of the Nemenz stores ( IGA, SAVE A LOT ) is to shut them down . The actions of the UFCW are all about creationg a greater market share for Giant Eagle . When sales at Giant Eagle drop they picket the competion to restore sales and profitability by shutting the competition down .
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EXPOSING CORRUPT ACTIONS BY UFCW 880
http://library.findlaw.com/1997/Aug/4...
E. A & D Supermarkets, Inc. v. United Food and Commercial Workers, Local Union 880
In 1988, UFCW Local 880 initiated an aggressive campaign against various independent non-union retail grocery stores in northeast Ohio. The campaign included picketing and extensive use of mass media.
Local 880 also entered into collective bargaining agreements with unionized supermarkets containing a "wage stabilization" clause.
That clause permitted the unionized supermarkets to reduce the union employees' wages to the level paid by the non-unionized stores unless the union was picketing the non-unionized stores.
The non-unionized stores brought an action against the union and its officers alleging various violations of the Sherman Act, the Ohio Monopolies Statute, and a claim for tortious interference with business relationships under Ohio law. No. C88-3551 (N.D. Ohio). Although the unionized stores were alleged co-conspirators, they were not joined in the action.

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17Search4Answers(710 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Cambridge, I take my info from microecon... last I checked the south was insourcing jobs and ohio is outsourcing so it does check out. From the microeconomics standpoint on wages I stand by what I said.

I would say I would like have had more history but our history classes are too full of garbage to even get to those issues deeply enough. We're told the New Deal saved the economy, which it didn't... so when we are told the unions made conditions better I can only take it with a grain of salt until I look into it deeper myself; the history books have been tainted by writers with their own biases.

I would challenge you to take a microecon class and maybe you would view things differently.

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18candystriper(572 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Product? We don't need no stinking products. Boomer union says it's all about managing people and budgets.

...suppose we can up our exports of creative financial products and invest in homes for "no doc" card members.

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19TB(1167 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

hahaha holding up southern ohio and southern workers as some sort of model cracks me up.

"so when we are told the unions made conditions better I can only take it with a grain of salt until I look into it deeper myself; the history books have been tainted by writers with their own biases."

as opposed to the unbiased microecon writers? hahahaha

again, hard fought freedoms going by the wayside in the worship of the almighty dollar. disdain and scorn for your fellow workers...what a shame

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20TB(1167 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

I guess you must be a union member then.

I'm working too. They can laugh their way to substandard wages, benefits, and standards of living.

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21VINDYAK(1799 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Let me tell you a little of my experiences with unions.

I once worked in a factory in my younger days. I was told to slow down in my work, as I was working too fast and making the others look bad. One guy would come around and polish everyone's work shoes as they wore them. Another guy would make knives at work and sell them on weekends. Other guys would do custom machine work for private sales.

This was a union shop and you had to join their union once your probationary period was over. I took a job in the office and later, when the union went on strike, someone poured sugar into my gas tank of my truck in the parking lot.

This factory closed their doors and moved down south. Everyone lost their jobs. That is my experience with unions.

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22TB(1167 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

My experience has been the opposite, and I've worked in three different unions. I made better than average wages. I did work that was of high quality and took pride in it. I didn't have to worry about being hurt on the job by untrained non-professionals. I didn't have to worry about being injured on the job or being fired indiscriminately without just cause or due process.

As for me being a loser, you know nothing about me. But your ability to sling names and your condescension speaks volumes about who you really are.

Your stat about union numbers dropping in light of unemployment rising may actually prove the opposite. As union membership has waned, jobs have actually become more scarce. Thanks for helping make the opposite argument.

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23Search4Answers(710 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

TB, You're right econ books are biased... although the biases are easy to catch.

Hey... why have the debate... look who has the jobs and who is begging.

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24Reader(126 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

I detest the picketers! I loved having a reasonable place to shop with quality products, reasonable prices and friendly employees. We enjoyed Save A Lot in Poland and feel the greedy union has run them out of town. I do not understand how the union picketers can have pride in the job that has them standing on the side of the road holding a sign and collecting a pay check while the economy is bad and the work they do is further hurting the public as a whole.
I believe there should be a limit on the amount of picketers and the length of time they can spend at one location, peiord.

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25Search4Answers(710 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Hey everyone, Diamler is moving production of the mercedes C-class to the US... Anyone want to take a jab at why they didn't pick Northeastern Ohio?

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26Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

We're too broke to buy their cars ?

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27MVP(67 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Unions MAY have served a purpose before child labor laws & OSHA came to be, now they only serve to line the pockets at the top of the pyramid at the expense of the brain-washed rank & file. They have outlived their usefullness and are now a detriment to the economy. There is a freedom to orgnize, just as there is a freedom to choose NOT to unionize. Unions should not be permitted to harass once that vote is taken. The Mahoning Valley is dying at the hands of the unions.

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28pit_bull_marley(291 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Unions are a thing of the past and are holding us back. Do your job and do it well and you wont need a union.

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29Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

The reality is that not all unions are like the UFCW . Most union members shop many non union stores . If you were to put a GPS tracking unit on UFCW members you would find many of them frequenting non union stores .

Henry's stores are targeted for picketing because of a pact between Giant Eagle and UFCW . The market share held by Save A Lot and IGA is the issue . They are greedy and want that market share .

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30AXLE69(181 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

USA1,when you were in the UAW,earning a livable wage and benefits,YOU certainly did well from being a member of a union didn`t you.Typical conservative hypocrisy.

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31MVP(67 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

Hypocrisy is when union members bully businesses into hiring union workers then shop at non-union stores to save a few pennies. Hypocrisy is when Lordstown workers chant "But American" and expect everyone to drive Cobalts/Cruzes to save THEIR jobs but shop at WalMart and online instead of shopping at local businesses. Look in the mirror everyone. What are YOU doing to help the local economy. Local small business is dying because people would rather save a buck than keep jobs here.

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32harbres(29 comments)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

I grew up in a "union" household... my dad is a union laborer, and when I was young and worked at the local grocery store, I was union too.

I am all for unions (when they actually work, and create jobs..)... but I am also for where ever you can get a job... union or not ... take the job. I hate to see people out of work because of the union vs non union fight. Isn't unemployment high enough?? Do we really want to drive business into the ground and now have even more people out of work? Really??

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33mrreasonable(1 comment)posted 4 years, 4 months ago

I am pleasantly surprised, if not shocked, that the comments here are predominantly anti-union. The unions have long ago worn out their use and purpose in America. Unions once served as a necessary vehicle to gain certain rights and working conditions. Mission accomplished. Now, while there are absolutely a higher % of good and reliable workers still in unions, they are dragged down by the lazy and unproductive people who hide behind grievances, seniority and being "owed" something. It kills the morale of companies and hurts the chances of new business development in the Mahoning Valley. I've been traveling to industrial pockets in the South for 15 years now for my job, and non-union workers are happy and their companies thrive more often than not. If you're productive you stay, if you're not, you're out. Those companies are also better positioned to compete with Mexico and China to save some work that would go elsewhere. Auto workers across America think that they got shafted with the loss of certain benefits and reduced pay, but the reality is that they were riding a gravy train for 30 years and it has now corrected itself. That may sound harsh but it is dead on accurate.

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