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2 Boardman trustees refuse to sign off on state audit

Published: Wed, November 18, 2009 @ 12:08 a.m.

By Denise Dick

A state spokesman said the two officials’ stance is ‘an unusual situation.’

BOARDMAN — Two township trustees won’t sign a letter that’s part of a financial analysis conducted by the state auditor’s office.

Trustees Robyn Gallitto and Kathy Miller, both of whom lost their re-election bids earlier this month, are refusing to sign the letter to the state auditor’s local- government-services section. That division conducted a fiscal analysis of the township.

Gallitto and Miller say they won’t sign because they don’t know what township Fiscal Officer William Leicht provided to auditors.

Trustee Larry Moliterno signed the letter.

Trustees haven’t “discussed and agreed to the specifications made in the letter, and we have nothing to confirm the accuracy of the information provided to the auditor of state,” Miller said in a written statement.

The letter lists eight points related to information given by the township to the auditor’s office. “The financial forecast is based on our judgment, considering present circumstances, of the expected conditions and our expected course of action,” one of the points said.

Trustees “should go through the eight items and agree or disagree on each one and ask the fiscal office to provide a copy of what was submitted so we can agree with the assumptions,” Miller wrote.

The township will end this year in the black but next year is expected to have to make cuts to balance its budget.

Leicht said the two trustees’ refusal to sign the letter is between them and the state auditor’s office.

The letter is part of the fiscal analysis trustees asked the state to do.

“If they weren’t going to sign the letter, they shouldn’t have requested the analysis,” Leicht said.

Steve Faulkner, a spokesman for the state auditor’s office, said this “is an unusual situation” and added: “We are reviewing the situation to determine how to proceed.”

Gallitto said she won’t sign it because she can’t verify what the auditors were given. She said she made that decision and informed Leicht of it last month, before the election.

Since Leicht has signed the letter, Gallitto wonders why his signature isn’t sufficient.

“It’s the responsibility of the fiscal office to provide that information,” she said.

Miller said she believes there have been problems in the past with information coming from Leicht.

“Our data has been erratic, unpredictable and incorrect,” she said.

The eight items also involve assumptions on expected revenue and expenses, a statement that those signing the letter find the financial forecast “reasonable and appropriate” and “reliable.”

Leicht also is at odds with two former members of the Easter Seals of Mahoning, Trumbull and Columbiana counties.

Leicht is chairman of the Easter Seals board of trustees, from which two members have resigned because of a disagreement over the handling of fiscal matters.

Carl A. Nunziato and Nicholas J. Zennario submitted the resignations in a joint letter dated Oct. 31.

They say that the organization “has been reticent, for years, in reducing expenses — in light of withering income sources — relying instead on withdrawals from our endowment accounts to cover operating expenses. All this in the face of year after year of fiscal deficits.”

Leicht, who formerly served as the board vice chairman, said that donations to the organization, such as with most nonprofit agencies, have been reduced because of the flagging economy.

“They keep referring to our restricted donations as endowments, and they’re not,” Leicht said, referring to the two board members.

The organization’s legal counsel and the certified public accountants who handle financial issues agree, he said.

Joseph Sedzmak, an Easter Seals board member “off and on” for about 15 years, says he’s satisfied with the way the organization is operating and utilizing its finances.

The restricted donations say the money can’t be used for salaries, Leicht said. They haven’t been, he said.

The organization has cut back to deal with the decreasing income including reductions to programs serving economically disadvantaged. More of those cuts may be needed, he said.



1jr99(102 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Only six more weeks and those two idiots are history. The question is: how bad will they try to screw things up (or like they've done the past four years, screw with the employees) before they go?
I agree with Leicht. Why ask for the audit in the first place if you're not going to sign off on it? Thank you Boardman voters for booting them out!

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2apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

You can certainly ask for an audit and if the financial wizard Leicht refuses to provide the trustees with the information provided to the state, they shouldn't sign it. Moliterno is the dummy for signing it. The simple fact that Leicht is also experiencing similar issues elsewhere should tell Boardman who the bad employee is! Good luck with Leicht and the cabal running things.......well until the state takes over that is.

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3Tugboat(759 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Both of these trustees could always be quoted as saying things like, "It's important to have an independent person, with no stake in anything, take a look at our finances." If there was an accounting issue, don't you think the State would have brought it up?

And isn't Nunziato part of the recent MetroParks $100,000 buyout fiasco?

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4apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

What does Nunziato's 100,000 buyout from Mill Creek have to do with his resignation at Easter Seals over the inept accounting? Only in the simple minds of former and current township employees can 2 plus 2 equal 5.

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5Tugboat(759 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Sorry, Fellas, but Boardman is part of this system:


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6apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Sorry, cabal member Tugboat, Phar Mor was also being audited by a big 6 accounting firm and we saw how that turned out. More of the 2+2=5 from Tugboat as if being part of a group means something. Heck, even the firemen wanted an independent audit because they didn't trust Leicht either. Funny, how winning changes your perspective doesn't it Tug?

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7apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Tug, stick to police work or retirement, accounting and audits aren't your strong suit.

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8Tugboat(759 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

So, Apollo, if accounting and audits are your strong suit, why didn't you run against Leicht two years ago?

cabal - a secret group of plotters or political conspirators

Does that include the thousands that voted your girl out?

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9apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Wow, what brilliance Tug. I not only was one of the IT contacts for Phar Mor's accountants in GL, FA, and AR, I also have accounting experience in college! How much accounting and audit experience do you have?

Plus I got to see first hand how Phar Mor's executives and auditors signed off on voodoo accounting and how it brought down Phar Mor.

Stick to police work, cabal member.

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10AKAFR1(322 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

And so the depleted gene pool continues...

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11CabinFever(25 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Let me get this....now you people are paranoid about having "2 sets of books" in the Township? In my life I've never met a more strange group of individuals as you people.

Leight is the fiscal officer right? The state did a fiscal audit right? So who'd be the responsible party? Um, Leight?

Of course the State is scratching their head because they've never had to work with such a dysfunctional group of individuals in all of Ohio.

So does this mean that Kathy Miller will now run for the position of Fiscal Officer in the next go around since she knows so much about finances?

Oh..you Boardman people are doomed.

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12CabinFever(25 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Apollo -

You stick with computer work and leave the job of police and fire and public administration to those who do the job.

Shall I remind everyone that you didn't run for Trustee twice because (and I quote) "You're afraid of what John Darnell would write about you in the Boardman News" now lets add to that list that you didn't run for Township Fiscal Officer because......why? Boogie men under the bed?

Please enlighten us as to how you have so much "accounting experience in college" What? you worked at McDonalds 25 years ago?

Stick with mainframes and being afraid of small town newspapers and sitting in your basement hiding behind your computer Apollo. BOO! Bawhahahahaha...BOO!

I'm still amazed that you know so much about finances and public adminstration and making fun of the community to which you live and pay taxes in, yet your only community involvement in helping your community is hiding behind your computer and talking smack.

You're such a luuu-zer and always have been.

Get ready everyone, here comes the broken record - Apollo is about to repeat himself as he's been doing for the past decade - Luuu-zer!

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13apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Cabin Fever has to be anonymous because he/she hasn't the testicles to actually post that without cover.

McDonalds? Hardly. I was one of the IT experts for the Phar Mor financial group and the lead IT person for the first bankruptcy working with the bankruptcy coordinator. Plus, I started in college in Accounting.

Again with the stupid Darnell claim as if that's the only reason I don't run for trustee. It isn't. It takes money to run and win and I'm not willing to suck up to the cabal for the pleasure of serving idiots like you.

I don't need the aggravation. But, I'm highly successful and would make an excellent trustee. I wouldn't even take the money or benefits since I don't need them.

The real losers are the taxpayers in Boardman. We get cabal trustees whose only purpose is to serve the master.

Good luck when the state takes over!

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14CabinFever(25 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

So you're name is really "Apollo" or are you testicle'less and posting under a cover name yourself?

I agree, your comment about "fearing what Darnell would write about you if you became a Trustee was a stupid excuse, but that IS the only one you used when confronted with the question of why you didn't run for office this term or last. You said it, and I can find it and repost it if you'd like. Those were YOUR words, not mine or anyone elses.

The self-prolaimation that you'd be excellent as a trusee, but don't have the "testicles" to do so (again, because of what you said and I quote "the unflattering things Darnell would write about you" is pointless. You're a real wimp if words from a small time paper that you claim has no real circulation bothers you that much.

You once mentioned that your girl Kathy Miller didn't need the money either because of how successful she was, but she didn't hesitate taking the money and the "cadillac benefits" she was given as well for her 8 years of doing nothing but getting a paycheck.

The Real losers (besides yourself) have been the citizens of Boardman for the last few years of uncivility, inept decision making (like hiring a former intern who's only job was getting coffee and donuts for the leadership and making copies, then being hired to run the Township the next - I believe your girl Kathy was part of that selection process wasn't she??? Good decision there - Regretfully or not, she was part of that.

4 years later I still haven't noticed the civility and fiscal responsibility that Gallitto (another one you voted for) proclaimed to bring to Boardman.

It's time that people you don't like get in and do their job as you're previous choices for Trustee have sucked, which is why the majority of the voters this past time voted them out.

The majority of Boardman must all be part of the cabal if that's what you believe -

You're such a dolt.

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15apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Cabin, Nearly all voters including you haven't a clue as to how their candidate will perform. All I know is that in order to get elected it takes money and that almost always means you are beholden to those who finance your campaign. Miller admitted Loree was a mistake and that she'd not vote to hire him again. If you expect to agree with any candidate 100% of the time, you are naive. So is Costello the right man for the job? Evidently the voters thought not previously. Same goes for Calhoun. He was rejected before too.

As for the cabal, all you need do is follow the money. Look at the campaign reports and see who the major contributors are. Costello and Calhoun were supported by the cabal. So was Moliterno last time. Gary Rosati had little support and therefore had no chance. He was probably a better choice but what could he do without the financial support to run an effective campaign?

Now we have 3 cabal financed trustees. Nobody to blame anymore for failure. Who will Darnell write about and trash now?

The state will be taking over in 2010 so it won't really matter that the trustees all get along now.

Speaking of which, what's the big deal about trustees getting along? Why shouldn't there be argument and disagreement? Should we all just be like lemmings?

There will be civility now but that ain't gonna make one bit of difference. No levies are going to pass and revenues aren't likely going up to keep pace with the ever increasing labor costs that are built into the cushy contracts.

Fiscal emergency here we come!

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16apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Most Boardman citizens haven't a clue who to vote for. This last election was a rejection of the status quo more than a vote FOR anyone.

Costello says CALEA was important during his talk on WFMJ the night of the election. Shows how out of touch he is to reality.

Waste another $200,000 on CALEA! What a dummy.

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17CabinFever(25 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

If the majority has no ide how a candidate will preform, then how is it that you seem to know how the two incumbants will preform. You've said some pretty nasty things and have done some name calling of the candidates. Somehow you find that to be mature intelligent behavior. I find it childish as do most others. You 'fear' what others would put in print about you, yet you have no problem hiding behind your computer casting out names toward others. Mature and intelligent behavior? I think not.

No one was more out of touch with reality than Kathy Miller. No one. 8 years later, she still can't figure out how bills get paid and who pays them. She produced no product for her paycheck. THAT was a waste of time.

All we've ever heard was how well off you are, how educated you are, and how you know everything. With that in mind, then a person of your caliber certainloy could have figured out a way and means to finance your campaign and with your so called "education of the masses" secured votes. Right? What Bull Ship you spew.

The Status quo of 8 years of Millers do nothing get a check was enough. The embarrassment of Gallitto's antics was enough. Citizens had had enough and those two did nothing to protect their jobs but primise to things they hand'nt done in their 1 or 2 term reign. Now they've brought another black mark to the community by playing some sort of hard-ball with the State of Ohio. As the State even admits they don't run across these type of idiotic behavior often, if ever with any other community in the entire State.

You want to discus waste of money? Have the lawyer and real estate lady give back their paychecks they did nothing to earn.

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18CabinFever(25 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

The high school educated janitor who ran for a Trustee seat has more integrity and respect than you'll ever have. He atleast gave it a try without fear.

You make up lame-arse excuses for hiding and spewing your garbage and repeating yourself endlessly.

You're such a dolt.

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19apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Yeah, I'm afraid of what people say about me! LOL. If I only had a dime for each time you cabal members have called me names or made threats (dems17 website) I'd be wealthy.

I base my opinion of Costello on his already pathetic performance last time. Rubber stamper supreme.

Calhoun is simply another full time trough feeder who had the audacity to have all the comments removed from the ratemyteacher website because they show him to be not such a good teacher.

Moliterno has been just as much of a disappointment as Gallitto was. Come on, get rid of the diaper administrator already and don't bring the drunk back. (I heard a possibility by the way)

Fiscal emergency is going to be fun! I can't wait to see how the cabal explains that. Probably blame Gallitto and Miller I suppose.

You really like the dolt word.

You need a college course in government. Miller as one vote cannot get anything accomplished. That's the problem with 3 trustees, it takes 2 to tango. Costello and Mancini always voted in lock step. Gallitto sold herself as a fiscal conservative and then the cabal got to her. She chose poorly and it costs her at the ballot box. If she had sided with Miller, Boardman might have accomplished something and both would have gotten reelected.

Enjoy the cabal owned 3 stooges. Larry, Curly, and Moe.

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20NoBS(2763 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

OMG - he's still obsessing over what he sees as "threats" on a board that's been shut down for years!! Of course, he's still upset and wanting revenge for not getting that Boardman IT job, too, so I guess we shouldn't be surprised.

Now Tugboat's a cabal member!! Tug - why didn't you tell us?

YAPollo, you're the one who needs a course in how government works. The problem is, you get your information from the Klueless one, which means you don't have a Klue how any of it is supposed to be.

And YAPollo's going to be really, really disappointed when Boardman DOESN'T go into fiscal watch next year. Now that the election is over, Leicht is "finding" all sorts of money. And THAT's why Da Girlz aren't signing any paperwork! Hasn't your Klueless Konnection told you that?

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21apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

He found some yes and who do you think directed that Leicht scam? Remember Leicht is a cabal member. Tug supported a Cabal member in Calhoun who was financed by Smith after losing last time without Smith's support.

The township will still be going into fiscal watch, if not in 2010, then 2011. Ain't no more money coming anytime soon ALLBS. But keep hoping you'll get a raise, trough feeder extraordinaire.

As for clueless, you are perhaps the most clueless of the township troughers.

Going to be fun watching the state take over and cut wages and benefits!

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22apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Apollo is a cover name Cabin Fever? Everyone in Boardman and at the Vindy knows who Apollo is! If I was looking for cover, I'd use a different screen name and different style. I don't care that everyone knows who I am. You obviously do care. Testicle problem?

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23CabinFever(25 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Apollo wrote : "Yeah, I'm afraid of what people say about me! LOL"

Hey, it was YOU and only YOU who said you wouldn't run for Trustee because of the things that John Darnell would write about you. Did you or did you not say that? Lie, and I'll go find it and cut/paste it again - I've already done it 3 times priorl on another thread. I thought it was a funny and stupid comment too, LOL. That's why I've been laughing at you for making it. So since you only speak the truth, I guess it's true.

If everyone in Boardman and at the Vindy know who Apollo is, then why even bother having a cover name dolt-head? Why not just use your own since you're so 'famous'? Testicle problem there?

The Diaper Administrator was put into his current position by Miller and Gallitto - 2 of your chosen trophy women. Everyone else knew that decision was a poor one, like I said - 1 day pouring coffee and running to Dunkin Donuts, the next day running the Township. STUPID idea that was! Yet, no one could tell Klueless and Egomaniac that was a bad idea, they know everything just like you.

You've never posted anything else but a cover name, so I'm just doing what you do. You're on a need-to-know basis, and you don't need to know who I am, nor should you care as much as you seem to do.

16 Ohio communities are under fiscal watch. So what? Not like they closed their doors and are no longer providing a service to their community. The entire state of California is bankrupt and they still have Highway patrol working and goverement offices opening and proviiding services. You talk as if Boardman Admin building is going to be padlocked and everyone sent home. Not gonna happen but you can keep putting the fear in citizens who don't know any better - you know, like the ones that Gallitto duped. Those people will believe anything I guess, even your spew.

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24apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Mancini also voted FOR Loree. Kathy at least admitted it was a mistake. Costello would have also voted for him since all he ever did was parrot Mancini. I hear that the drunk my be back! Don't give him a township car!!!

Since everyone knows who I am why change?

Cabin Fever, afraid to be known? Don't tell enough truth for people to know who you are? Chicken?

Boardman won't be shut down. Just that those cushy wages and benefits are soon coming to an end. And remember, this is just the beginning. There is much more pain to endure economically. Wait until the stores at the mall start shutting down and the Boardman plaza looks like an empty building.

Fiscal watch is just the beginning.

Everything I've "spewed" amazingly is all true. Substation nightmare, clearance, lease, employee salaries.

All you can do is attack the messenger since you can't refute the message. I don't care. I'll be here "spewing" the truth. Can't wait to post the salaries from 2009. Also going to get the campaign reports to show YOU and others who we just elected and who financed the campaigns. Those should shut up the cabal deniers.

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25ubotherme(53 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

When this idiot posts the salaries, he will point to higher salaries than last year for some. The fact is the trustees have cut staff and expected the job to get done,

How can the same job get done with less staff???

By paying those who are left just a little bit more to cover the vacancies.

Everyone knows it's cheaper to pay the OT than to hire and pay benefits.


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26ubotherme(53 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Oh, by the way,

Leicht has a tendency to skew the truth.
That is, if he KNOWS the truth.
Which he doesn't.
What a pathetic loser....just like all the goofs who blindly follow him.
Larry, Robyn, Tom, Brad.....I'm talking to YOU.

Go ahead, site staff, remove this comment too.

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27CabinFever(25 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Why is it that in one post you talk about how citizens won't know how candidates will preform, then in the next you want to tell us all about what Costello would have done?

Employees have left and the Township is down manpower across the board yet citizens like yourself still want those "cadillac services" you feel you deserve. Please note that service to the community has not faltered even with fewer employees. I find that to be a positive but being positive isn't something you know anything about.

Why do you care if cushy wages and benefits go away? Does that effect you somehow? Why are you so obcessed with it? What will occur is that those same people will spend less in your community - and more of the community to which you live in will be boarded up and vacant, which - has been proven in other community to lower home values. So you just keep hoping more and more people in your community earn less of a wage.

Stores on 224 are already becoming an eyesore. So much for a Great Place to call home - but you live there. Soon Boardman will look like Market St north of Midlothian - and isn't that a nice area!

I see you refused to comment on your reason for not running for Trustee - since you said it and I can prove it - then you claim Apollo wrote : "Yeah, I'm afraid of what people say about me! LOL

You're such a wussy and even you realize it. Again, the Janitor made a run for one of the seats and even got votes - yet you were too 'scared'.... Chicken? Yea, I think so and your very own words have proven it time and time again.

You're still a LUUUU-zer and a Chicken. ...and that's the truth.

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28CabinFever(25 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Love to keep up this worthless banter "Apollo" - but I'm heading to my vacation cabin in the mountains with my family for the holiday. You know, my 2nd home.

Post your drivel and keep repeating yourself as you've done for the last decade now and let me know next week how it's worked to your advantage.

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29apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

The main reason I don't run for trustee is that it takes cash and I'm not about to put up $20,000 of my own money for the pleasure of working with people like you! The second option is to take money from the cabal. Ask Larry, Curly, and Moe, they all accepted cash from the cabal and now are owned. Miller and her family were attacked mercilessly for 8 years and I really don't want to expose my family to those attacks. Too many agendas that are in direct opposition to what's best for Boardman. No thanks, my political aspirations have been fulfilled.

How many offices have YOU run for? I ran for county commissioner. Spent about $1000 of my own money for nothing really since the Morley Democratic party had already decided that Sherlock was their choice over the Hanni Democrats candidate Taylor. Everyone else was naive and wasted their time and money. The committee people are sheeple who simply do what they're told. How did that work out!!! Sherlock was a disgrace.

Why do you feel the need to impress us with your second home?

You really don't understand taxes and economics do you?

You have it backward really. People leave or don't move to an area because taxes are too high. Ask Youngstown why businesses have relocated to the suburbs and refuse to locate in Youngstown unless they get tax abatements! There is very little crime in Boardman. We don't need a huge police force paid like they are fighting crime in New Orleans. $20,000 more per employee than peer communities? We don't have many real fires either and could easily run with a partial volunteer department.

Ever hear of supply and demand? If you lower the price of oil, what happens? Oil demand goes up. (and vice versa) The same is true with taxes. Higher property taxes causes less housing demand, more foreclosures and less money in the pockets of the taxpayers, therefore more businesses close and housing values decline. It is the vicious cycle the entire country is experiencing.

Raising taxes so you can pay township employees Caddy wages and benefits is a foolish policy. Taxpayers get no benefit from that and it impedes growth.

The fact that we can run with less manpower and crime hasn't spiked nor have more fires occurred shows everyone how bloated Boardman government was.

Instead of expanding government and its ever growing need for revenues and the extraction of those dollars from the people who fuel the Boardman economy, the taxpayers, we need the opposite. Less government more efficient than we currently have. The public sector needs to make less money, have less benefits, and give us taxpayers a break. It's the taxpayers and private sector who foot the bill and make the economy hum, not the public sector. The valley needs more consolidation of services not larger separate entities paid far more than the market dictates.

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30CabinFever(25 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

I do know Pennsylvania and Califorina along with Florida pay far more in property taxes than anyone in Boardman Ohio ever will. I do notice there isn't a mass-exodus of people fleeing those states.

Could you just answer me 1 question before I jump in the Tahoe and head out?

How much do you pay to the Township in your property taxes for police, fire, and road services, along with administrative services, along with benefits for these employees. I want to know how much burden it is for you, and what a savings you'll receive if employees did infact take consessions. As you say it'll save tax payers money - ok - you know everything, so how much money are we talking per household exactly? Thousands? Hundreds? Ten bucks?

Get back with me after Turkey day, as I don't have internet access at the cabin. I'm not trying to impress anyone with my 2nd home - I don't have to.

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31apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Comparing Ohio's property tax rates to Florida and Cal is a fools proposition. In fact, comparing property taxes alone is for fools. But, since you THINK you know this property tax answer, let's check.

Oops, you're wrong again CabinFever.

Florida ranks 22nd highest property tax rate and Ohio is 21st. California 10th. (NJ is #1) Pa 14th


A better comparison is overall taxes paid in comparison to wages earned. I pay about 50% of my income to some sort of tax. Don't you think that's a bit high? Gas tax, federal tax, medicare, SS, state, city, property, sales tax, taxes on flights, rental cars, etc.

I pay almost $2000 a year in property taxes. Most goes to the schools. That's not the point. The township provides me little value for the money I send them. They overpay their employees according to the audit $20,000 per employee for safety services in a community where safety isn't much of a concern.

Taxpayers are seeing higher health care costs, no pensions and decreased 401K contributions, lower wages, lower housing values, stock market caused 401K declines approaching 50% and you want the public workers to keep getting more? Wow. A more true trough feeder could not be found.

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32NoBS(2763 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

I see, as usual, yap-ollo is evading and avoiding the question. How much money will you, personally, save if the township employees take concessions? Assuming taxes are lowered even if the employees took concessions.

What percentage of your taxes (50% of your wages - sure!) goes to Boardman, and how much of your Boardman tax money goes to the township employees? Pennies. And if you really think the township provides you little value for your tax dollar, please relocate your self a few miles north, into Youngstown. There, you'll get to pay even more taxes, yet have less "worth."

Property tax is all you pay to Boardman, so why is it foolish to compare property taxes? Besides that you can't manipulate those numbers as you'd like to, that is?

Now, let me put on my "Karnak The Great hat" and predict that you'll call me a "trough feeder" (chuckle) and spout insults at me, and spin and deflect and not answer these questions either.

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34apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

As usual, ALLBS is well full of BS. Yes, I pay 50% of my income in various taxes. All taxes. Add them up, most middle class people pay close to 50% in taxes to support various bloated overpaid, under worked public sector entities.

If Boardman's employees were to take concessions according to the state peer community comparison, that would free up 2-3 million for the township. Enough to get back to proper staffing levels and have some dollars for other important stuff. That's $20,000 per employee for those who haven't read the audit. How much it saves me is irrelevant. That's what the fools at the township like to do. Tell you how little YOU provide to them compared to the schools for instance. Pennies a day for the best of the best! The same people like ALLBS who sucks from the trough as well as anyone. Probably surfing the net all day between naps at one of the fire stations. Telling us that ambulance start up is free, substations are free, heck everything is free!

Can't wait for the state take over, it should be fun to watch the rats while the ship sinks.

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35NoBS(2763 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Excuse me, there, yap-ollo, but your hatred of public employees is showing.

For the eleven billionth time - YOU do not get to set the pay scales anybody - public or private - earn. YOU do not get to decide the staffing levels for various public employee departments. Since you're afraid to run for public office, where you'd actually have to DO SOMETHING other than sit there in the safety of your mom's basement and complain about things you don't have the faintest clue about.

So you admit you realize that the schools take the lion's share of Boardman's property taxes, yet you whine bitterly about the small fragment that goes to the township. That alone says you have a personal grudge against the township employees. You know - an agenda. One of those things you denied you have?

And what do you know? My "Karnak" hat must work, because I predicted your answer, and I was right.

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36apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

It's Carnac. My agenda? Getting my employees wages and benefits inside the boundaries of sanity. Yes, my employees since I AM THE EMPLOYER. One of many TAXPAYERS who foot the bill for the overpaid and under worked trough feeders. People who have sucked the trough dry and caused the township to be bankrupt. People who have caused the township embarrassment trolling for underage women at the Blue Wolfe. Employees who've posted bogus IT ads asking for mainframe experience in a township without a mainframe. Employees who have spent like drunken sailors on substations that overpaid MY MONEY for a lease that was a giveaway to Davis for property he couldn't give away. Not to mention take home cars out the wazoo, 38 vacation days, 4 hours for court appearances that are no more than an hour, worthless $200,000 CALEA, 11 holidays, 2 men per truck, contracts that build in OT without a benefit to the taxpayer, and the list goes on. Don't worry though, the economy isn't getting better and things are going to get worse and stay that way for a long time. We taxpayers are tapped out paying you feeders Cadillac wages and benefits that allow you to retire at 50 with great health care and pensions that need funded for 30 or more years. The state will be running the show soon and givebacks WILL be the norm, count on it!

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37apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Yes ALLBS, as a taxpayer I DO get to set the wages and benefits. Just watch us. Reality is going to be tough for you morons who think the golden trough was forever. Enjoy the state control. Hopefully, you'll get to feel the layoff first!

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38candystriper(575 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

...time to exit the sinking ship S.S. Boardman

...accounting chicanery is in place to mask losses until next year...

...who needs critical thinkers?

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39apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

You're right Candy Striper. The township employees have been running the township into the ground thanks to the hands off Mancini and her rubber stamper Costello. Listen to the recorded Bertram and Doc show with Miller and Gallitto from this past Saturday. Both ladies have a grasp of the issues and the past shenanigans. Robin makes mention of the wasteful CALEA spending also and how Costello is out of touch with reality if he mentions re instituting CALEA. Bertram also makes mention of the Smith cabal. It's worth listening to if you care about Boardman.


Enjoy the state control, it's going to be fun to watch. Nobody to blame now with all 3 in Sonny's pocket.

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40candystriper(575 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

LOL ... Queen of the paid shills.

... has no exit strategy.

It's High Noon = we know you're there, hiding...afraid of facts.


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41NoBS(2763 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Yap-ollo, I, as a taxpayer, get every bit as much say as you, as a taxpayer do. So stuff it. And who's "us?" You and your pet mouse? You sure don't speak for the majority of Boardman residents.

"It's Carnac" - who cares? It appears both ways in copy related to his skits. Looks like you missed one of your meds, there, buddy. You're frothing at the mouth. And there you go with that list again.

I'll be laid off? That'll be a good trick! Please do try!

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42Ninerz1608(1 comment)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

The only thing that really matters here is that Miller and Gallito are now going away. Like anything in these elected offices, we won't know if their replacements will truly do us any good or not until that day comes. What we do know, however, is that their days of mismanagement are over forever. Thank god we did what we needed to.

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43candystriper(575 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

NoBS is a paid shill for the union...dozens of aliases...struggling to justify the PERS way of life as unemployment skyrockets...lol.

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44Tugboat(759 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

NoBS asked Apollo: " And who's "us?" You and your pet mouse?"

From what I can tell, he has hundreds of them attentive to his every need. They are known as "everyone else" as in "everyone else agreed with me" or "everyone else thought your comments were idiotic."

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45Tugboat(759 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Vindicator quotes regarding CALEA by Gallitto:

March of 2006

“Patterson said that Gallitto also expressed opposition to the accreditation process through the Commission on Accreditation for Law Enforcement Agencies Inc.

Gallitto said she questioned whether it was the most effective use of township money.”

June of 2006

“Robyn Gallitto, trustee board chairwoman, said she thinks it is important for the community to be able to hold its department up against an objective set of international standards.”

Spoken like a true politician. What a difference 3 months makes.

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46NoBS(2763 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

candystriper, you're just a candystriper at this game. Kindly sit down and shut up until you can hang with the big boys.

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47NoBS(2763 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Tugboat (709 comments)posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago

NoBS asked Apollo: " And who's "us?" You and your pet mouse?"

From what I can tell, he has hundreds of them attentive to his every need. They are known as "everyone else" as in "everyone else agreed with me" or "everyone else thought your comments were idiotic."

Uh huh. But he says a lot of things that aren't true, or are so spun and distorted that the shred of truth that is in there is obscured. I'd say "everyone else" is/are on my side. In the midst of a recession, and despite much vitriol on yap-ollo's part, Boardman Township did the unthinkable - they passed a new tax levy. A NEW tax. Let me repeat - yap-ollo yapped long and hard, with his "looking forward to" the levy's demise and the laying off of half the remaining employees and his assurances that the levy would not pass. That he now makes any reference to this Safety Forces levy at all in a positive fashion is pure hypocrisy on his part. Yet the levy carried, and it carried in each and every precinct in Boardman, including the one yap-ollo lives in. I think his definition of "everyone" is about as accurate as his definition of "we."

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48FutureWatch(8 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Boardman's new trustees have to get their information from the clerk. It is not difficult to read between the lines that the trustees have to have reliable accounting to make decisions and that has been the failure in Boardman. Why else would the fire department have tried to get an outside accounting firm to help get the facts?

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49apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

ALLBS likes to keep saying that I tell lies and yet can never point out any. In fact, nearly everything I've said for the past 5 years either is true or came true.

Remember, ALLBS is a current trough feeder and Tugboat is a former trough feeder so they have agendas to keep the trough flowing by attacking me and trying to paint me as some disgruntled taxpayer because I didn't get an opportunity to take a massive pay cut and a less technical IT job at the township.

The end of the golden trough is close. Taxpayers are tired of public employees making more with Cadillac health care, perks, and pensions paid for by us.

I'm really going to enjoy the state takeover.

The cabal has nobody to blame now that all 3 are owned lock stock and barrel.

Larry, Curly, and Moe running the township with Bozo the financial wizard providing the numbers. Good luck Boardmanites. Rename the township, Titanic.

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50apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Candystriper has ALLBS pegged. Don't forget, everything's free!!! No start up cost for ambulance service. CALEA is free. (really cost at least $200,000) Substations are free. (really a giveaway to Davis) Cars for tots, etc. etc. $120,000 cops plus benefits. Average police salary in Boardman is approaching $90,000 PLUS benefits. Time for a partially volunteer fire department like Austintown. Ask Dorman how much his retirement is going to be!!! With all the "special programs" that enable troughers to really suck from the taxpayers teet.

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51NoBS(2763 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Why don't you tell us how much Dorman's retirement will be, yap-ollo? You claim to know everything - here's your chance.

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52apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

With or without the DROP program?

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53ubotherme(53 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Why don't you post either one? Or both?

Anyway, what's the difference to you?
Whether it's Dorman or not, they will still be paying a fire chief.

NoBS, he can't respond out of fear of being wrong. He's just like so many of them: they can say anything, but if you question them or even make them feel like they might have to be responsible for telling the truth, they clam up.

And, you're right, the next words out of his mouth will no doubt include "troughers", "I.T. ad", "CALEA", "clearance", "cars for tots", "cadillac health care", blah, blah, blah, blahhhhhhhhh!

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54ubotherme(53 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

oh, and lest i forget, "cabal".



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