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Child in critical condition after beatings, Austintown police say



Published: Mon, November 16, 2009 @ 3:35 p.m.

AUSTINTOWN — A 23-month-old girl is in critical condition in Akron Children’s Hospital after police said she was beaten repeatedly by her mother’s boyfriend.

Timothy White, 29, was arraigned Monday morning on one count of felonious assault and three counts of child endangering. He was arrested Friday afternoon by Austintown Township police outside his Compass West apartment, where he lived with the girl and her mother.

Detective Sgt. Ray Holmes said White caused the child serious injury over an unknown period of time. Holmes said the child had brain damage, a broken rib, stomach bleeds, damage to her liver and adrenal glands, second-degree burns on her genitals, foot and finger and hemorrhaging in one eye that he said is a potential sign of shaken baby syndrome.

Read more in Tuesday’s Vindicator and Vindy.com


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1shadowman(67 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

What the . . . Wait until he gets to prison. They are going to love him. Scumbag.

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2jr99(88 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Better yet, let's just take him outside, do away with him (very slowly, of course), and save thousands and thousands of tax dollars. That's the only way justice will be served.

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3Ladytaz0930(69 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

What about the so called mother???? It states that this has been going on for sometime...........She should be arrested with him as she did nothing about this. It is a shame what a woman will allow to happen to her children just to say they have a man. Where is the child's father or does she even know who the father is what is his take on this? Was he aware of the beating and abuse that was happening to his child or did he even care?

Ladies wake up, the children did not ask to be here. You don't need a man that bad if your children have to endure the abuse for your sake to hold onto trash.

Disgusted

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4Siouxi(122 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

What a tragedy. This poor kid probably wondered why mommy was letting this happen to her. Burns on her genitals?!!
Mommy should be spayed or neutered, her child taken from her and placed in a loving home. Then mommy should go to jail, too. And the boyfriend? Just throw him in the general population once he hits the big house. It'll get taken care of.

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5piscesgurl(6 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

It's so easy to have something to say when you havent a clue of what was happening. In a time where that mother needs all the thoughts and prayer she can get, there will always be you who are so ignorant that assumption is your only intelligence. This mother was not "letting" anything happen to her baby girl. And lets get a reading tutor because I read nothing about it "going on for some time now". It states an "unknown period of time". With the injuries at hand, it cannot be confirmed when he began the assault-be it the day of or shortly before. You who make judgments are clearly out to hurt people with such comments...after all she is suffering from, after all that has happened to this family, this is the last that she needs right now. Ladytaz-find something better with your time...why not try to help someone in your day instead of posting hate on the media, pure ignorance of facts and hard data. The mother is not in jail for a reason- She isnt a bad mommy, she did nothing wrong from the point of view detectives are in, otherwise, there would be charges...Clearly. The comments are so hurtful-"does she even know who the father is"- You clearly need help yourself to be such an idiot. You need prayer.

Please keep this family in your thoughts and prayers...this is a beautiful woman, and an amazing little girl.

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6piscesgurl(6 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Youngstown Shrimp- Stupidity is annoying. Shut up.

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7Nonsocialist(710 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

YoungstownShrimp speaks the truth.

Drug abuse, gang violence, abused children, citizens motivated only enough to sign up for others people's earnings...these are the expected consequences of providing rewards for a slothful life. Real compassionate, eh?

How's that social engineering thing working out?

Words of wisdom (please note none of them advise socialist principles):

If a man is called a streetsweeper, he should sweep streets even as Michelangelo painted, or Beethoven composed music, or Shakespeare wrote poetry. He should sweep streets so well that all the hosts of heaven and Earth will pause to say, Here lived a great streetsweeper who did his job well. ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

If you feel you are down on your luck, check the level of your effort. ~Robert Brault, www.robertbrault.com

Plough deep while sluggards sleep. ~Benjamin Franklin

Man stands for long time with mouth open before roast duck flies in. ~Chinese Saying

Labor disgraces no man; unfortunately, you occasionally find men who disgrace labor. ~Ulysses S. Grant

Success is a ladder you cannot climb with your hands in your pockets. ~American Proverb

God gave us two ends - one to sit on and one to think with. Success depends on which one you use. Head you win, tail you lose. ~Author Unknown

Doors don't slam open. ~John M. Shanahan, The Most Brilliant Thoughts of All Time (In Two Lines or Less)

About the only thing that comes to us without effort is old age. ~Gloria Pitzer

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8piscesgurl(6 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

What is wrong with you? The life of a baby girl is at stake, and you want to go to this level? Why? This woman works, she goes to school full time, and she is now sitting in a hospital praying for her baby while you people want to quote others because you have nothing relevant to say about what's happened. It's a tragedy. Period. Stop your mumbling and ridiculous accusations. She is a person, a mother, a worker, a student, a daughter, a friend, and a human being. It is this that is disgusting.

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9metz87(884 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

We don't even know the whole strory yet. I live in Compass West myself. yeah we have drug problems but then again you go anywhere in the county and you will find that.

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10jrolley325(799 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

the only thing missing from nonsocialist's idiotic post was saying it's all obama/pelosi/reid's fault.

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11shadowman(67 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Are you kidding me? The issue is there is a little girl brutally beaten and burned and we got someone quoting Ben Franklin and the chinese!!

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12ElPolloRetrasado(202 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Pisceshurl, you're right we should be as lenient on these people as possible! Kill them with kindness and then when that doesn't work kill them with a public stoning! You can join in if you would like or don't you like the idea of people getting beaten until they are retarded! Seems mommy and her crack daddy didn't mind doing it to the child!

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13Ladytaz0930(69 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Piscesgurl, first of all I feel sorry for the baby not the mother as it is said "for an unknown period of time" what does that mean, it means that all of thw baby's injuries did not happen overnight. So at some point of time the mother should have recognized the injuries that kept appearing before it got to this point. So obviously she had more time for the man than for her kid. Bottom line is she should be arrested as well.

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14prodgodq(149 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

"Judeo-Christian teachings" - It's clear from your post that you know nothing about them. You're more like a modern day Pharisee than a Christian.

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15kids2028(87 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

I am so furious right now, this just keeps happening.  THEY should be held responsible,never to be let out of prison.  This baby is in prison already, probably never to get better. If the baby dies than it is MURDER-1st degree. There are SO MANY women living with in-fertility,doing what every they can to conceive, and make a family with their husbands.Why or why are these monsters given children.??I don't believe in blaming it on drugs.  That Mother(I don't even want to call her that), knew what was happening!!! I Hate them Both.

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16prodgodq(149 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

"Drug abuse, gang violence, abused children, citizens motivated only enough to sign up for others people's earnings...these are the expected consequences of providing rewards for a slothful life. Real compassionate, eh?"
.......it's amazing what anonymity, ignorance, a keyboard and a connection to the internet will create,eh?
Welcome to the world of cyber-opinion, I guess.

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17MaryG(26 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

I will never understand how a mother can allow someone to abuse her child. I pray for this innocent little child. She needs love and a safe place to live. The mother and her boyfriend should be subjected to the same treatment the child recieved.

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18TeresaB(82 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

JP (pisces girl),
Don't try to talk to these people. Your wasting your breath. In their defense, this article does make it sound bad, implying that it was not a one time thing. However, the TV news (WKBN, WFMJ, WYTV) makes it clear that this was an isolated incident. Speaking of the mother, I know her and there is nothing about her that would indicate she would allow this to go on. She was a good mom, as far as I ever saw and she was a former neighbor (no smartasses, not at Compass West). The family needs your thoughts at this time. Please wait until you hear the whole story, before you jump to conclusions.

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19KLee(18 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

My heart weeps for the little girl.

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20Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Timothy is a slow learner and has been traumatized by the law for years . The system did not give him enough jail time to straighten him out .

http://courts.mahoningcountyoh.gov/pa...

09/03/2008 JE> PROBATION VIOLATION HEARING SET ON 8-29-08. COURT FINDS DEFT VIOLATED TERMS OF COMMUNITY CONTROL. COURT ORDERS THAT DEFT SERVE 16 MONTHS IN LORAIN CORRECTIONAL INSTITUTION FOR THEFT, RC 2913.02(A2B12) F-4. ABOVE SENTENCE SHALL RUN CONCURRENTLY WITH CASE 08CRB744 AND 08CRB727, MAHONING CTY COURT #4. DEFT IS GIVEN CREDIT FOR 215 DAYS SPENT IN JAIL TO DATE. COURT SUSPENDED ANY FINE AND COSTS INCURRED. (DURKIN)

BREAKING AND ENTERING

http://courts.mahoningcountyoh.gov/pa...

PETTY THEFT LESS THAN $500

http://courts.mahoningcountyoh.gov/pa...

RECEIVING STOLEN PROPERTY LESS THAN $500.00

http://courts.mahoningcountyoh.gov/pa...

UNDERAGE CONSUMPTION

http://courts.mahoningcountyoh.gov/pa...

THEFT/LESS THAN $500.00 (PETTY)

http://courts.mahoningcountyoh.gov/pa...

OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE

http://courts.mahoningcountyoh.gov/pa...

OBSTRUCTING OFFICIAL BUSINESS

http://courts.mahoningcountyoh.gov/pa...

PETTY THEFT LESS THAN $500

http://courts.mahoningcountyoh.gov/pa...

SELL ALCOHOL UNDERAGE

http://courts.mahoningcountyoh.gov/pa...

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21piscesgurl(6 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

I cannot say that it is wasting my breath if its in the advocacy of a great mother. I understand that the article left things open for interpretation but what I will never understand or wrap my head around is the monstrosity of it all. Of course people will have their opinion, but I also have the right to tell them that they and their opinion can go straight to hell. We all know where Tim is heading.I feel sorry for the people that think they are mightier than Thou to judge a woman purely on the limited information given. But, ignorance is Bliss...right?

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22Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

piscesgurl :

"But, ignorance is Bliss...right?"

If that's the case then Tim is a happy fellow .

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23FormerYtowner(96 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Piscesgurl and teresaB,
Since you two are so willing to defend these animals maybe we should throw you two in a cell right next to the mother and the ex.

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24TeresaB(82 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

FormerYtowner,
why so negative? I believe that Tim should rot in a cold dark cell, no lenience there. As for the mother, all I am saying is wait until you hear more, before you make a decision. From what little i know, this was an isolated incident, meaning there was no opportunity for the mother to know he was abusing her. As for his record, poor judgment in choosing a partner, does not justify being crucified. The mother is a very young girl and I personally have always seen her be very loving and attentive to her daughter. All we are saying is, not only should the thoughts be on the little girl and not assumptions about the mother, but that you don't have all the information. If it turns out the mother knew (which I highly doubt) then thrown the swords, but until you know that (which you do not), shut up!

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25FormerYtowner(96 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

teresa,
Do you tell everyone you disagree with to shut up?
Loser.

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26FormerYtowner(96 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Saddad,
Who would sympathize with these two people? Just name me one person who would. Then...if you find any, tell me why they would.

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27angelgirl(1 comment)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

My heart and my prayers are with this little girl....

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28Lifes2Short(3875 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

My prayers are with the little child, as far as the mother, I don't have enough information to comment on her and what really happened.
But this animal, will be in hell when he gets to prison, I was in CRC and NorthCoast Correctional, and the inmates don't take kindly to animals like this, he's going to be in a solitary cell because his life will be in danger in General Population..and believe me they will know even before he gets there....he'll probably go to Lorain, but all the same. He has to be the lowest life on this planet. Nothing but a animal that needs to be caged up for the rest of his life or give him the lethal shot.

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29piscesgurl(6 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

I stand in knowing the person she is and the hell she is going through. I will defend her because she should be. She hasnt a voice to do so while awaiting her daughter's recovery and its apparent that most of you take full advantage of it. Me being new to these posts has nothing to do with anything so clearly, you need to get back to the topic at hand, which you are so good at (because you have the child in mind, right?), and focus on the recovery of that baby.

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30Whitey16(4 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Appears everyone has read the article and developed their own ideas and opinions as to what has happened here. Regardless of what all your opinions are, I think everyone will agree it is a horrible, horrible thing for anyone to abuse a child like this. But the only facts that are in this blog are the child's injuries, who was arrested and what Stan found on Tim White. There is an overall assumption that the mother was involved in the abuse, but per someone close to the investigation, the mother is not a suspect and will not be charged unless there is evidence to the contrary. The mention of White causing injury over an unknown period of time was the abuse caused throughout the day in question. The mother left for work early in the morning while White and the child were still asleep. He called her in the afternoon stating that the child fell in the outside hallway and was unconscious. She called 911. The apartment was searched and there have been no mention of drugs being involved. These appear to be the facts. Now you all can make your own assumptions.

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31sm91678(4 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Ok people let's get real, this type of horrendous crime happens everywhere coast to coast across our nation. To stereotype it based off of it happening at Compass West is plain ignorance. We also had a double murder in Liberty recently does that make Liberty a horrible place to live. Now for anyone making this anything about religious ideology, didn't we have a priest recently convicted of gross sexual imposition of a minor? Then at his sentencing his plea to the judge was not one of sorrow for the victim but concern for not being able to continue spreading his "good word" from the altar. So please for us sane people that see things for what they are and not twist them to our beliefs lets examine some FACTS.

From what has been reported and with the use of a little common sense, yes the mother should be held at some responsibility. HELLO!! She allowed a recently released convicted felon to reside in her home and baby sit while she was away. This proves my case for a law against the non-use of common intelligence. She should be arrested for STUPIDITY if not chid endangerment. Now the line the "abuse had gone on for an unknown period of time", this is police speak for we can tell this in not an isolated incident but cannot prove it and the mother will not provide us the truth to allow us to further pursue it. This is half the issue with society today we allow the "don't judge untill we have ALL the facts" ideology to suffocate common logic and sense. Truth being we will never know all the facts because ALL the facts will not be provided by a MONTH OLD LITTLE GIRL or her obviously mentally challanged mother(see her previous actions for diagnosis).

BOTTOM LINE: This scumbag will serve time for his crime but justice will be dealt to him once inside the system not by the sentence itself but by those inmates not fortunate enough to see their children and that will suffice enough for me. The unnerving issue to me is allowing this mother to be a gluton of sorrow from those of you too brainwashed to realize that subconciously she tempted this fate by allowing this piece of trash to reside with her and her innocent child...and her crime WILL go unpunished..count on it.

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32rloh330(43 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

I can't begin to express the hate I feel for the human scum that would hurt children,they can't protect themself,also goes for the low life scum who take advantage of the elderly.
But people who judge other people and always jump to conclusions and cry and whine about taxes to help say childrens services also disgust me.
I'm so sick of you people of the party of NO.
This country is in a near depression because of a bunch of greedy bankers ,brokers and other assorted bottom of the barrel REPUBLICAN scum.

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33Reader(126 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

According to another vindy article, this girls mother had to know something was wrong when the child clearly showed signs of injury for days leading up to the final beating.

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http://www.vindy.com/news/2009/nov/17...

“Her doctor said because there is new blood and old blood, some of the trauma could be between five and 20 days old,” Holmes said. “She’s had at least six seizures [since Friday], and she can’t speak now.”

“She really bought [White’s] excuses on several small things,” he said. “But I think it’s setting in now.”

White had told the girl’s mother that some of the injuries happened after she fell and hit her head once on a floor and once when a car door swung open, according to a police report

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34AtownParent(561 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

So all those people who claimed that this was a one day thing where are you now? Sorry, but my child was bit at a babysitters by another toddler. Guess where she did not go again. This mother was gullible and naive. Is that a crime? Not sure, but I am sure she is living in her own personal hell right now knowing that had she only questioned things a little more she could have prevented this.

As for Compass West, that place is a hole. People who live there know that there is drugs and dealing happening all over. There have been so many bad things that happens over there, you can't hide the facts. Most stereotypes are based in fact.

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35TeresaB(82 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Atownparent,
This mother is young and a good mom, i am sure she is questioning how she could have believed him, but i have no doubt that she did not know. As for Compass west, I doubt all the people who live there are druggies, as you can see by the officers statement, the mother was at WORK and there were no drugs or indications of drugs found in her home. I think it would be better, if we focus our energies on praying (if you pray) or just keeping this baby in your thoughts. If you can find it in your CHRISTIAN hearts, pray for her mom too.

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36Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

TeresaB :

"As for the mother, all I am saying is wait until you hear more, before you make a decision."

Tim is who he his but it was the mother who facilitated the attack on her daughter by bringing the animal into her home . She should be taught to be selective on mate selection .

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37TeresaB(82 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Stan,
I understand your point and perhaps some of us who are older would have made better choices, but i looked at this record and there was nothing (no violence) to indicate this would happen. Should we crucify her for a poor choice, made by a young girl. I know plenty of people with records, from the past, who are no longer the person they were, when they committed their crimes. Again, all I am saying is show some compassion for the mother, even the police are certain (see article) that she did not know. Remember all choices are a 50/50 chance and we get the odds to increase by age and experience. why don't we focus on the little girl and what a scumbag this "tim guy" is. Imagine if this was your child and act as you would want someone to act towards you, especially those of you who call yourselves CHRISTIANS. Time to suit up and show up and practice what YOU PREACH.

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38FormerYtowner(96 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

TeresaB,
Please get a grip already! How naive can you be? Stan is exactly right, she brought the attack on by bringing him into the home.

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39Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

TeresaB :

I looked at his record and I see a pattern . He is out of control . One could say but he hasn't killed anyone . The mother gave him a chance to . Now her girl will suffer for it the rest of her life .

Tim needs to do an extensive period of time in prison along with being actively monitored when he gets out . The girls mother bears responsibility and should face consequences from this . Her next mate should have a thorough background check . The girls mothers should be monitored for a long period of time so nothing like this happens again .

Let us pray that the system protects and brings justice for this little victim !

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40Ginger76(178 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Compass West is government subsidized housing. You have to be low income to get in there and there's a huge waiting list which means you stay unemployed or part time for ever. Rent is based on your income.

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41piscesgurl(6 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

I can only pray that nothing like this ever happens to you or your families. Teresa is right, how would you want to be treated? I know she is in her own hell dealing with mistakes she made but stop playing God by passing judgments on someone you do not know and telling the world what ought to be done to her. Who the hell are you? No one I would ever want to cross paths, nor anyone I love. Its not about being naive, for we all know in hind sight what regret feels like and the "if onlys" we have all faced in our lives. Given the opportunity who wouldnt go back and make things different in a situation like this? She made a bad judgment in a man, yes....and she now has to live with that. Seeing how quick you are to criticize her assures me you obviously have a lot you live with to point your finger as you do. But only you know that, huh?

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42Ginger76(178 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Its not like he has one speeding ticket. Nor was he just a rebellious teen. So let's not sugar coat it.

He has a record as long as the the Declaration of Independence. I do not know the mother, the situation, only what has been in the news...

...but I tell you - it really looks like poor judgement/or maybe she is a crackhead on her part. The truth always comes out.

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43Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

piscesgurl:

"Who the hell are you?"

Just a member of society who has a concern that certain people are not controlled and allowed to wreak havoc upon the vulnerable .

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44TeresaB(82 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Stan,
Please have some compassion. Yes, the mother used poor (not malicious, i assure you) judgment. Should we execute her for a MISTAKE. She loves her daughter very much and yes she will have to life with the consequences inflicted by this Tim person. Why don't those of you who have young daughters, treat this girl as if she is your daughter. How would you see it then. The police have stated, she had no part in this, they also stated that the previous injuries were minor and she believed his excuses. This wasn't going on for months, the paper indicates 5-20 days.
Trust me, i understand your rage and I even understand you accusing the mother, because you do not know her and the article is graphic and would incite any reasonable person. I am just asking you to wait, before you get out your pitchforks.

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45Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

TeresaB :

"Should we execute her for a MISTAKE."

No execution has been proposed . By bringing Tim into her home she caused her daughter to be a victim . There should be a penalty and monitoring for a number of years . The vulnerable little girl should not be victimized again for any reason .

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46TeresaB(82 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Stan,
Yes, perhaps her future judgment in who she allows in her home should be monitored. I am sure this has been a horrible lesson for her, i don't think she needs to be punished, this tragedy is more than enough for any mother to endure, but yes, I am sure children services or some agency will help this mother to learn to whatever it was that was lacking.
Having said that, I think we have talked enough about the daughter. Where are the posts asking about how this little girl is, how her family is (do they need support) and how many of you will go to this jerks court hearings to assure that he does not get off lightly.

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47cambridge(2997 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

If you would like to know just how far someone who would hurt a child will go and how little they are punished for it click the link below.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article...

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48TeresaB(82 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

cambridge,
That article is so sad. All the more reason for citizens to start a letter writing campaign (Now) to the Mahoning County Prosecutors office calling for a vigorous prosecution of this case. Too often, these types of cases are hard to prove, just last year a mother was acquitted in Youngstown, that baby also suffered severe brain injury. By the way, that baby is back in his mothers custody. So take the time and write a letter asking that this man be charged to the max and when he goes on trial, write the judge and demand that he be given the stiffest penalty. Instead of hashing this whole mess out, with limited information. Let's do what we can.

P.S. Below is the link to the other case, although this one involved the mother, she was found not guilty, don't let that happen to this guy
http://www.vindy.com/news/2008/dec/03...

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49Reader(126 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

To TeresaB:

you said:

"Why don't those of you who have young daughters, treat this girl as if she is your daughter. How would you see it then. "

my reply is this:

I do have children and thinking of your above statement I can say with certainty my children would never have been left in the care of a known criminal with multiple offenses!
I am sory you are dealing with this personally but your friend had a duty to protect her child at all costs and she clearly failed and missed numerous warning signs.She clearly did not have her baby as her first priority to place her in harms way.
God bless and heal this child and let justice be served upon those who allowed and committed harm to her.

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50ront(119 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

all of you trying in you own way to sugar coat this horrendous beating of a 23 month old baby might want to consider trying to adopt babies from abusive homes. i am sure you are so compassionate that you are willing to do that. after all, it's the christian thing to do, right?

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51TeresaB(82 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Again Reader,
I agree that she made a poor choice, but again not a malicous choice. This young girl is suffering as a result. Do we really need to add more. The irony is the majority of these posts are about her and not about him or the other case, where the accused was acquited. All I am saying is let's be productive here. These type of cases, against the Tim guy, are hard to prove. Let's do what we can to make sure the prosecutor knows they they need to use all their resources in court to insure that this creep goes away for life. Mahoning county has a poor record of making sure child abusers go away for a long period of time. far too many plea bargains and/or losses in court.
The link I posted was to another case in Youngstown, prosecuted by Michael Thompson. The mother in that case (if you can call her that) was guilty as hell (trust me), if not just by not turning in the bfriend who really did it. She walked away scot-free and not only has her kids back but has another one (should be a newborn now). Michael Thompson is a fine attorney and person (Georgetown grad, at that), but he got his ass handed to him in court. Write your prosecutor and let them know you want to see this guy and people like him firmly prosecuted. no plea deals, this guy doesn't deserve a chance to breathe fresh air again.

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52Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Well ront ,
I am a proponet of accountability . Bring a child into this world and nuture it to be a responsible adult is what life is all about . If the child has to be taken care of others it should only be on account of the parent or parents being in prison . I am not a proponet of free rides at the expense of the taxpayers .

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53Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

-TYPO CORRECTION-

Well ront ,
I am a proponet of accountability . Bring a child into this world and nurture it to be a responsible adult is what life is all about . If the child has to be taken care of by others it should only be on account of the parent or parents being in prison . I am not a proponet of free rides at the expense of the taxpayers .

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54Ginger76(178 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

The detective said the child had brain damage, a broken rib, stomach bleeds, damage to her liver and adrenal glands, second-degree burns on her genitals, foot and finger — and hemorrhaging in one eye that he said is a potential sign of shaken baby syndrome.

“Her doctor said because there is new blood and old blood, some of the trauma could be between five and 20 days old,” Holmes said. “She’s had at least six seizures [since Friday], and she can’t speak now.”

Holmes said the girl’s mother probably won’t be charged, and he said she didn’t know the extent of what was going on.
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I take it back....only a meth-head crackwh**e would let this happen. The mother is just as guilty.

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55metz87(884 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

And you know she is becuase why? She lives in Compass West and lives off welfare and she has to be on drugs? That is sterotyping right there if i ever saw it!

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56Ginger76(178 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

And you know she is becuase why? She lives in Compass West and lives off welfare and she has to be on drugs? That is sterotyping right there if i ever saw it!
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yep.....and I stand behind what I write.

I couldn't make up any worst White Trash than this. No good mother would let this happen. 5-20 DAYS OLD??????

CRACKHEAD!

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57TeresaB(82 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

here are the facts about the mother,
She is not on welfare, she was at WORK when this happened.
She is also a FULLTIME college student (sophomore) on the Deans list, who got a 4.0 last semester. This is a woman who was trying her best to drag her and her daughter out of the poor house. No free ride there.

I really don't like arguing with you guys, I understand where you are coming from, but this blame game is not productive. She made a mistak

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58Ginger76(178 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

You are right..blame game doesn't work...

This is one H**L of a mistake.

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59Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

-ACCOUNTABILITY-
ac·count·abil·i·ty
: the quality or state of being accountable; especially : an obligation or willingness to accept responsibility or to account for one's actions

I don't care what the grade average is or what this woman does in regard to getting an education . Tim didn't break into the appartment and do this crime. A toddler is in critical condition because of a convict with a long history of being out of control who she invited to live with her .

Will the law give her a free ride on this matter ? I doubt it . The protection of her very vulnerable daughter is at issue here . Tim will be out of the picture since he is going to prison . The mother will not be given a chance for a repeat performance .

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60FormerYtowner(96 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

TeresaB,
like i said before get a grip.

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61sm91678(4 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Hey just for all of you making this an attack on the residents of Compass West saying that they are all welfare druggies...why dont you venture on over to the police blotter today? I think there must have been a typo or some kind of apocolytic event because they had a RAPE and a DRUG offense in CANFIELD???? How it that possible I mean we know NOONE in CANFIELD could ever do such things. Then venture further and the WHOLE AUSTINTOWN blotter has one report for COMPASS WEST for TELEPHONE HARRASMENT?? Can you please tell me how this happened and more importantly how do the low life druggie residents of COMPASS WEST afford phone service to harass people???..lol

Please people get off the whole blaming everything on the system kick. I am employed full time a decently paying job and I have co-workers and friends who reside in Compass West. I'm sure if we all look around or further down our own family trees we all have those close to us that don't have the greatest of economic circumstances and this does not simply make them druggies or low lifes. This was ONE sick individual commiting ONE sick act that just so happened to occur in a low income housing residence.

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62dominoman777(57 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

omfg

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63AtownParent(561 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Did you look in the paper to find the one week where there was only one criminal activity reported at Compass West? No one said all the residents, but there are many people that have no problem breaking the law in that complex. Parents that aren't home or just don't care what their kids are doing, drugs, a couple of murders in recent years, would you like me to go on with the amount of crap that happens in that complex?

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64munchkin97(4 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

I am a single mom of beautiful girls who does lives in Compass West.It's wrong of people to down grade low income people. Yes i do get assistance for the government but i attend school to better myself to get out of the ghetto i call it. So people don't downgraded anyone. As for this issue of this child here i believe the mother is in the wrong when u have children as a mother especially with little girls ur always check ur suppose to be man background and if he got a record as long as dude did then he shouldn't be within 5 steps of ur family. No female should leave their children home with any male that has some issues their dealing with that involves crimes. As singlemoms or whatever u know something ain't right in ur home u need to address it I'm sure this went on for a while all the signs where somewhat there. I've been abused but i be damn if i left anybody abuse my children. I not saying she was asking for it or it's all her fault but as a mom her instincts should of kicked in along time ago a real woman, a real mother would not let anything happen to their children. If this happened to one of my children trust me I be in jail while he be about 6ft under. There is no excuse for this child to suffer the way she did. I will have her in my prayers but not the mother I feel she let her little girl suffer something that could of been avoided. U can choose Who u love and when choosing u need to chose to do background checks that's all to. As for Compass West.People need to beware who their neighbors are and where their children are. I never let my children out of my sight and i'm picky who they hang with. I keep to myself I be respect and say hi to the neighbors but don't want to know their life story. Compass West isn't that bad it's some of the people that make it bad for others.

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65Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

The message here is loud and clear . Timothy White is in jail with a very high bail . This means that he will stay there until after his trial . He is shure to be convicted and sent to a prison for a long while . Society will not tolerate children being abused in such a fashion .

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66munchkin97(4 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

i understand this mom has a job, goes to school ok yeah for her. I do the same I live here in compass west i have male friends who will watch my children and do i do it hell no as a mother of girls i do what i got to do to make sure they go to day care in a control environment and yes the government helps u wit that. Come on this child had markings 5-20 days old her motherly instincts should of kicked in there is no excuses for this to happen to a child and really people not all people who lives in compass west is druggies or crackheads, I am not i work, volunteer, and go to school so stop stero-typing everyone that lives here, I'm here until I graduate school. I keep to myself and very protective of my children.

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67TeresaB(82 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Munchkin,
Sounds like you are working hard to better your family. keep it up and best of luck to you on your journey.

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68prodgodq(149 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Munchkin: Good for you! Glad to hear that you're trying to make things better for your children. And you're absolutely right about not judging anyone based on their circumstances. My first job in my profession did not pay enough for me to live in an apartment without assistance, so I lived in rent assisted housing. I found that the people who lived there with me were no different than the people I live with now in my middle class neighborhood. Everyeone is capable of good and bad behavior, regardless of how much money they make. The difference is in the person and the choices they make, and it's a simple as that. Money has very little to do with it.

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69Reader(126 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

is there any word on this little girls condition? Has she shown any signs of improvement? I am keeping her in my prayers.

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70ads(109 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

I say they are both at fault. My 4yr old son comes home with a scratch I notice it, so how could an attentive loving mother NOT notice what happened to this poor child?

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71TeresaB(82 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Wkbn has a new article on there website about her condition. Not sure how up to date the info is, but it was posted today at wkbn.com

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72sm91678(4 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

AtownParent:

To answer your question, no I didn't have to "look for that one week where criminal activity wasn't reported at Compass West", it just so happened that the week you chose to show exactly how ignorant and simple you are was the same week the Vindy published the Atown police blotter. Before you open your mouth and make statements stereotyping an area or group of people by residence let me take your hand and guide you through common logic. As of the last census report there were approx 31,627 residents in the township of Austintown. There are approx 400-500 of those residence who reside in Compass West, so you can roughly say 1% of the population reside there. With a little bit of research you would have found there are 209 residents in zip code 44515(Austintown) with a verifiable criminal record yet only 1...let me spell it for you...O-N-E that resides in Compass West!!!??? And that is for unlawful sexual contact with a minor when he was 22. So your buddy Tim was not a resident of Compass West and was here illegally, which had you had any knowlege of how things work there he would have had to pass a criminal background check ran through mahoning trumbull and columbiana county. So to further emphasize my statistically proven research on crime in this area out of 31627 township residence 209 with verifiable criminal backgrounds 1 or precisely .00003% reside legally in Compass West.

In summary squarely directed at AtownParent, in Austintown 1 resident of Compass West has a verifiable criminal record. So the other 208 or 99.00007% of criminals could be your neighbor or possibly you since you seem to hide behind ignorance and lack of any sort of actual facts....and they DON"T reside in COMPASS WEST!!

Thank you for making me seem more intelligent( definition:possessing sound knowledge) by your lack there of and have a....

GOOD DAY!!

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73TeresaB(82 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

I believe that is "check-mate" SM.

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74Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

sm91678:

So then was the "fully rehabilitated" Timothy White a legal or illegal resident of Compass West ? Being released from prison would mean that he was ready for society . If he was an illegal resident then perhaps you have many more infesting the appartments . How many family members or friends ,with criminal records, of the residents either live there or visit frequently ? Of course as you stated there is only one sex offender living there, right ? The area is not as refined as you indicate . Law enforcement does their best to keep things under control but the residents do as they please .

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75AtownParent(561 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Don't count all your chickens Teresa!

First, not all criminal activity is done by people who have been caught.

Second, you never addressed the murders in recent years. Just because the person didn't live in the complex doesn't mean that the crime didn't occur there. You are judged by the people you associate with, and two residents of that complex had murderers come to their homes. Why don't you do a search of how many times the police are called to the apartments, might be a slightly different outcome huh?

My "buddy" Tim was living with the mother who is a resident. She brought him in, one of those lawfully sound people you tried to represent in your post. Don't make it seem like he crept into her house without her knowledge. She let him in. As do other people who live there, they let everyone in.

Sorry, you can defend it all you want, but those of us who aren't so dense to believe your line of bull (and not hide behind the misleading statistics posted) know the crap that happens in that complex.

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76metz87(884 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Ok crap happens there but you make it seem worse then what it really is. Your bull is just as bad and I don't tihnk the polic blooter is the best evidence you can find vers actual facts people have found.

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77sickofitall24(4 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Ok first of all, NOT ONE OF YOU commenting on this issue are saying that you know either the mother or the boyfriend and are defending either one...all you are doing is placing blame based on what you've read and researched about the suppossed defendant in this case! Open your eyes...there is NO EVIDENCE that is PROVING Mr.White had done this and NO EVIDENCE that he didnt...everything is HEAR SAY at this point! Now I do not know either party just like all of you, but what happend to INNOCENT until PROVEN GUITLY!?!? I feel for the little girl, I really do and hope she recovers from all this trauma that has been brought onto her, but NOONE commenting on this page knows exactly what happened and who did it! So instead of pointing blame at just the boyfriend or just the mother or both, we should all be praying that this innocent little girl makes a full recovery and let the police and investigators do their jobs that our tax dollars pay for and find out exactly what happened, for how long, and who is truly responsible for the crime! Thats what they make the big bucks for!!! And as for bringing up Mr White's previous record....did any of you actually look at it!? Its stupid things like, petty theft, receiving stolen property, underage drinking and/or selling to underage people....NOTHING of this nature before...so before you go and JUDGE someone based on their previous record, be sure that you have something to judge about because I dont see a pattern like many of you had said!

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78Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

sickofitall24:

OMG, so you think that Timothy White is innocent ? I never considered this . Perhaps we should all pressure the system to reduce his 1 mil bond to personal recognizance .

BTW, if he broke into my house I would consider it serious . So, since he didn't break into my house or yours it's not serious . Right ? Since he didn't torture my daughter or your daughter it's not serious either . Right ?

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79sickofitall24(4 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

I'm NOT saying that he is innocent...what I'm saying is that there is NO EVIDENCE to support that he is actually the one who has done this horrible crime....and no he did not break into my house or yours, but the fact of the matter is NONE of his criminal background has EVER been THIS SERIOUS SO THERE IS NO PATTERN TO FOLLOW! This is America afterall, when did we go from INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY TO GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT!?!?!?!?

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80bigmetz(7 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

pelase let me meet him just once...... and he will be educated quickly like real quick.what a real piece of $#!t. typical scumbag, lowlife, probably non-working just looking for a way out. he will get it in prison.

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81FormerYtowner(96 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

sickofitall24,
You're right...it wasn't the boyfriend...it was Santa Clause. No wait... maybe it was the thanksgiving turkey. Fool.

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82Reader(126 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

This is a quote from sickofitall:
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"And as for bringing up Mr White's previous record....did any of you actually look at it!? Its stupid things like, petty theft, receiving stolen property, underage drinking and/or selling to underage people....NOTHING of this nature before...so before you go and JUDGE someone based on their previous record, be sure that you have something to judge about because I dont see a pattern like many of you had said!"
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UMMM, let me respond to the quote above

Yes, we judge by his background. Sorry you think it is all "stupid" but to me IT DOES SHOW A pattern of illegall activity and lack of moral judgement.

His crimes still left victims who were in one way or another damaged by his crime.

Additionally, he may not have been "caught" for every law he broke. There may very well have been other violent crimes that were not reported or he has yet to be connected to.

The best prediction of future behavior is past behavior. His past behavior was in criminal activity, I just don't see how this mother chose someone like this to leave her child with.

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83alliyboo722(2 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

So i just wanted to throw out there to u creepers so obsessed with other peoples lives. it cant be statd again that this woman was a wonderful and beautiful mother. Just becuase somebody is young and single and doesnt fit into ur american-dream rule-book doesnt mean she loves her child any less than the next mother who has a husband. I myself am a young mother, pregant at seventeen and was fortunate enough to have a man for a partner and we did get married that summer (three yrs strong!) and i have known the mother of this child since we were children, we lived on the same block. i have not only seen her interacting with her child but i admired her for it. and how she does it alone. with no family and no support. i kno its not an excuse for poor judgement but clearly "good people" like "you" wont even give her a chance. The child is in critical condition and possibley wont make it,, pray for her.. and pray for the mother that at only 22 or 23 yrs old may have to bury her own daughter. find entertainment in that u sick dirtbags!!!!

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84najjjj(106 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

What ever happened to the presumption of innocence, on which our entire legal system is based. The only one charged is the scum boyfriend. Believe me if there were evidence against the mom she too would have been arrested. Did she exhibit poor judgment by letting this man into her home? Probably. But answer this good Christians.......which one of you without sin (or without any incident of poor judgment in your life) cast the first stone.

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85Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

sickofitall24:

"what I'm saying is that there is NO EVIDENCE to support that he is actually the one who has done this horrible crime"

They have Tim in jail under a 1 mil bond for his own safety . His next victim may have irrational family members who would violate his rights .

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86webad(156 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Regarding the posted references to praying about this heinous crime: Where was your God when the little child was crying out for someone to help her as she was being tortured? Some of you are doing too much praying, judging, and behaving self-righteously .. and not enough taking of accountability for the violence that occurs in and around your own city.

Wake up. Your God isn't there. He left with the jobs. So now 'YOU' must take responsibility for the straits in which you find 'your' city and for its burgeoning crime rate.

I know the following can be difficult...but 'actively' try to improve the place. What can one man or woman do? Organize with others. Then the question will be: What can many men and women do? To begin, you can donate some time to help out people in your own neighborhoods. Help the ones you dislike. They likely need your assistance the most. Afterward, you and they will have new friends and an increased understanding of one another. Next, you can reach out to other neighborhoods. This takes effort and commitment but it is the key. Will you do it? If not, then I can no longer regard your complaints about this abominable crime as legitimate.

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87Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

God didn't do this nor was he responsible for the crime . The little girl was given to the mother by God and the mother let down both God and the little girl . When the devil is invited to live with you terrible things happen .

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88somechicinATown(1 comment)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

sickofitall24:
what the heck is wrong with you? Have you heard the 911 call from the mother? Why didnt he call 911? Why did he call the mother and have her call? True no one heard anything but he was back and forth to the wash room a few times. What was he washing? Did he do something to that little girl to make him wash load after load? Let me tell you what I dont need your so called "proof" and if some POS every touch either of my kids there wouldnt be no call to 911 cus they wouldnt find him. Trust me they dont put you in jail if there is no EVIDENCE just cus the cops didnt say what they have on him doesnt mean they dont have EVIDENCE on him for this case. Your going to look pretty stupid when this all comes out and your defending a POS on the internet.

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89webad(156 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Stan, you are being gullible and naive. Are you referring to Zeus, the god that people worshiped 4000 yrs ago or to one of the hundreds of other gods man has worshiped since the Big Bang? My guess is that you're referencing the Christian god who we're told lives in an invisible place in the sky. Yes, that must be he...the one who never shows himself so that we all could have a look at him. Is he the one we're supposed to see AFTER we're D-E-A-D? And 'the devil' .. is that the guy in the red suit with pointy ears and a pointy tail? Does he carry a pitchfork?

Well, the joke's on you. It's too bad that you're waiting to get your ticket to paradise only after you experience more time of inactive acceptance of your life's conditions. Your statements above (about God and 'the 'Devil') appear to be merely your excuse to keep from taking responsibility for yourself and for everything about your life. You see, Stan, if we experience terrible events (and we all do), it's because WE didn't take care of business. It's not some fake red scapegoat's fault.

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90ziggypop(5 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Oh ya, this must be youngstown.You got the right one baby.I think it is going to be a mild winter this year with all this hot air being blown around.That's the problem ; every one wastes their precious energy criticising others and taking their inventory .Then all the crap that gets spit out fertilizes the scum bags that do these kind of acts. Desperation is a mother! Where were all us know it alls when this young mother reached her hand out for help to raise this child? A child is not only raised at home,but in reality is raised by the whole community. So when are all you know it all button tappers gonna accept your role in this?It is a shame that a person SICK enough to commit an act such as this only gets 3-5years.Even if she survives, he has stolen her life! The Bible states "A life for a life" and this came from the Lord. We as a whole are always twisting and bending rules and laws to fit our specific wants, because we don't want to do something the way it is supposed to be done. Quit turning your back to people when they have a hand out for help, then criticize them when they fall or satan trips them.Watch your neighbors not so as to have something to gossip about, but when they need you to help them out. What if God looks at us as we do each other.OUCH!! The change starts within, and then needs to be shared .Youngstown is known world wide for it's fighters, and if we don't start fighting together we will lose the battle

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91Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

webad :
"Stan, you are being gullible and naive. "

So you tell me that bad things would have happened anyhow if Timothy White wasn't invited ?

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92webad(156 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Stan, My post was mostly about finding fault with your claim that "God" and "the Devil" had anything at all to do with the child torture incident. By assigning some of the responsibility for it to these God and Devil characters, you are shirking your own responsibility for allowing conditions that make this kind of circumstance to exist in your community. Read my words over again. You are either missing my point or else I was not making myself clear.

About your question ...
You wrote to me: "So you tell me that bad things would have happened anyhow if Timothy White wasn't invited ?"

That question to is too brief and therefore makes no sense. To attempt to answer it, I would have to fill in the blanks that you left in it. I would have to do that by drumming up imaginings out of my own mind. If I did that then I would be following the examples of some people here who are making assumptions, using guesswork, and generally living in fantasy worlds of their own makings about the torture scenario.

You will have be clearer if you want me to answer your question.

So, I ask you: Timothy White wasn't invited where and by whom?

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93Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

"So, I ask you: Timothy White wasn't invited where and by whom?"

I really don't expect any answers form you as you have none to offer . Your reasoning is on par with that of Timothy White . He hasn't found God either .

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94ytowngramma(39 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

I'd like someone to show me proof that "God" and/or "The Devil" were present or not present ANYWHERE. Tim White, and Tim White only is the alleged perp of this crime, The mother should be to blame for not seeing what he had done. Had she not changed this childs diaper? Had she not bathed this child?

There is no "God" or "Devil" to blame, just ignorant human beings.

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95shadowman(67 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

If the mother is a full time college student and also works, and it has been said he also went to college, then someone else had been watching this child. Relative? Daycare maybe? Anyone know? If daycare, they are under obligation to report any signs of abuse, and they change diapers all day long. Burns to the genitals would not go unnoticed unless that scumbag did it on that same day.

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96webad(156 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Listen to me. Any time a mother leaves her child in the care of a person and that person injures the child ... it follows that the mother is to blame for the injury, as well as the injurer. But, the mother is the main offender here because she did not do due diligence in selecting in whose care (White's in this case) she left her child. Had she not left the child with White, the child could not have been injured by him.

But for the mother's actions, none of this would have occurred. The likely fact that she did not expect it to happen does not relieve her of personal responsibility. She should have known.

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(And so you see,Stan, it doesn't take these characters, God and the Devil, to cause this to happen or to prevent it from happening. It only takes common sense.)

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97webad(156 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

PS...
Correction to my above post:

Instead of writing "Had she not left the child with White, the child could not have been injured by him."

I should have written:
Had she not left the child with White, the child could not have been injured by him ... 'allegedly'.

As yet there has been no evidence introduced about his guilt or innocence in a court of law. And the USA is a Nation of 'the Rule of Law'.

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98Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

When Godlessness prevails there are victims . Timothy White who was Godless had done the crime . He didn't break in ! The little girls mother invited him into her home . Timothy White only did what Godless people do . There is no limit to what they are capable of . His criminal history shows him to be out of control for years . How much escaped being recorded ?

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99webad(156 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Breaking News Flash:
God appoints 'Stan' judge, jury, and executioner.

Timothy White to be marched to Public Square tomorrow at high noon by goosestepping Christian firing squad. Bring your picnic lunch. Devil firing up ovens as he awaits White's bad seed soul.

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100Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Godlessness appoints webad as spokesman . . ..

First on the agenda is raising bail for Timothy White . He didn't subscribe to Christianity and can't be held accountable for any of their laws .

Too bad that he is rotting in prison , eh webad ?

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101webad(156 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Stan, There you go again. Dreaming up what I am thinking ... to fit your own agenda. I never offered any opinion about Timothy White being or not being held accountable to any "God's " laws. I have only talked about the rule of law as is written in the US Constitution. I have also suggested a solution to the violence in and around your city. I have not read any solutions offered by you. What would you do to help stop the violence?

All that you have written so far has been darn Christian of you. Have you ever asked yourself ... What would Jesus do about Timothy White? Is it the same thing that you want done with him? Look up 'hypocrite' in the dictionary.

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102webad(156 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Addendum to my just above posting:

And Stan, who the heck is this Godlessness person that appointed me? FYI: A condition (in this case Godlessness) can't appoint anyone to anything. Take off the pointy hat and escape those mental shackles that bind/blind you.

PS:
I can see it's pointless to rationally argue anything with you. In your 2579 posts on here, you always get around to raving on about God and the Devil.

I rest my case.

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103strangelove(22 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

I think mom should have done a far better job at screening boyfriends. Though there are women who like the "bad boys."

"second degree burns on her genitals"

I don't believe there is a word in the English language that can adequately describe Timothy.

Justice is, in this case "a pair of needle nose pliers and a blowtorch."

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104belliegeez(1 comment)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

We are all human, and we all make mistakes. This woman, made a horrible mistake. Living with this will be punishment enough! As a woman I can assure you that we have all dated our fair share of pigs. Domestic violence can happen in the blink of an eye. I know, I was a victim. I however, was able to fight back. My story made the news also. As a new mommy, my heart goes out to this woman. It breaks for this little girl. I hope that everyone who sees this will pray for a miracle for this precious little baby. As for the pig who beat her... A prison beating is not enough! This child's mommy, probably loved, and trusted him. We have all dated our share of snake charmers!

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105Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

"What would you do to help stop the violence?"

Coliform bacteria is not a problem unless you injest it . Perhaps Timothy White should have been kept outside of the dwelling ?

Some victims,friends and their relatives react irrationally to crime . The suspects, for their own protection, are incarcerated with a high bail .

"Seems Stan cant see all the killing and torture that is done in the name of God. "

So you think that Timothy White had found God ? I have my doubts .

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106webad(156 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Unknowingly, I once began seeing a physical abuser. I should have seen and acted upon the signals he emitted before I began dating him. However, as soon as I was slapped one time, I immediately called the cops and the abuser was tossed into the slammer. I never gave him one chance to escalate his behavior toward me ... or to harm my children in any way. I kept him away from us after that. Therefore, I think I am qualified to say that there is no excuse for the mother's irresponsible behavior toward her daughter. There likely were warning signs for her, too.

If it turns out that White is convicted, then I, like you people, support severe punishment for him. However, as of now he is the "alleged" perpetrator ... he has been neither tried nor convicted.

When people on here, and likely around the city too, are speaking of him as if he's already been found guilty ... this taints a potential jury pool. It could be a reason he may get off scott free. It would be a wise move to stop talking like that ... or the blabbermouths around town may have to blame themselves for fowling up the due process of law ... after which he may get off on a technicality. Then he might go on to repeat this kind of crime in the future. Then you yakkers will have blood on your own hands by extension.

I would bet a lot of money that White, if he did this act, was himself an abused child.

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107webad(156 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

PS:

Stan, I think I was clear enough in asking, "What would you do to help stop the violence?"

You wrote: "Perhaps Timothy White should have been kept outside of the dwelling ?" I was asking YOU, Stan, what YOU would do to help stop the violence in your city ... not what that mother would do to stop the violence in her own life. She is not on here, so I can't ask her.

And, there you go yet again, Stan, putting words into people's mouths. I do not understand how your answer to saddad has anything to do with his statement:
"Seems Stan cant see all the killing and torture that is done in the name of God."

To mention just a few historical examples of violence done in the name of "God": the Crusades, Jihad, the Reconquista, Ireland/the UK, the Jewish-Roman Wars, etc.

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108Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

To stop the violence would be politically incorrect as the subculture would howl if they couldn't do their thing .

The Timothy Whites of the world should be executed if they cause death . Jailing them causes the weak minded to blame society and demand their release . Timothy should be kept in prison until his anti social urges dissipate . This could take some time and we should be patient . His next encounter could involve reprisal from the victims family before law enforcement could protect him .

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109Ladytaz0930(69 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Why is everybody wasting time on Stan, don't you know by now that he is an idiot with too much time on his hands. He always has a comment or suggestion for everything. Ignore his ignorance.

But in reality I do believe the mother should be arrested as well. She should have paid more attention to the little innocent girl - hopefully she pulls through this she is in my prayers. I don't have the energy that Stan has to keep carrying on with this.

God Bless the innocent child I pray for her recovery.

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110Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

I almost had the free Timothy White movement exposed and now LadyTaz wants to discourage his supporters . ..

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111shadowman(67 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

The police have said that White is the only suspect in the crime. Obviously then they do not believe the mother participated in the torture of this child or they would already have arrested her. So, what should the mother be arrested and charged with? Child endangering? It probably would not stick. Sharing a place and being with a convicted felon? Stupidity? Being naive? Young and dumb? Leaving others to watch her child while she worked and went to school. Sounds like she is guilty on all counts, however none being a crime. Her punishment is having to explain to this child what happened when this little girl grows up and starts asking questions about any lingering injuries or scars she might have.

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112webad(156 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

LadyTaz., You are right. Stan is a blockhead. I realized this when I saw that he preaches about God but then doesn't practice what he preaches. He appears to be a full-on hypocrite. Also, he can't identify the point of someone else's statement and respond to that point. Instead his thoughts appear to drift off into Never-Neverland and then he replies to whatever he would 'like to believe' other posters have stated. I don't enjoy calling him out for his lame interpretations, but I like to let a person know when his/her posts make no sense to me. As you said, however, it is beginning to look like a waste of valuable time.

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1132blave(24 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

@ #6, youngstown shrimp: 1)you can say it all day, but America is NOT a christian nation. As if Christianity has the moral high ground. You need a history lesson. 2) there is no state program to pay someone's utilities. You can get an abatement, but you still owe the full amount. 3) People who KNOW this woman have stated that she works/goes to school. You know NOTHING about welfare and the people who receive it. I work with these people, and the vast majority want to have a job, a career, etc. You can hide behind the anonymity of an electronic forum, but what are you hiding? One's true self shows best in this venue.

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114gypsygirl720(186 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

RE: STAN,

We do NOT always agree on everything, but I do know that STAN speaks his mind.
I also know [fact] that STAN will step up to the plate or go the distance.
He is a fine man with ethics, values and morals.
~~~No, I am NOT related to STAN, nor do I work for him.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING to all.
Please keep this CHILD victim in your thoughts.

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115Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

webad:

The landscape at Never-Neverland is a familiar one for you and you navigate it well . Your time is never wasted as you use it wisely to defend the Timothy Whites of the world against the harsh treatment that society doles out to them .

gypsygirl720 :

Thanks for the flowers ! :)

HAPPY TURKEYFEST DAY !

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116webad(156 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Stan,
Show me where I posted a defense of Timothy White. Go ahead. Show me. You can't, Fool.

gypsygirl,
There you have it in Stan's comment to me in his post just above this one. He frequently puts words into other people's mouths and thoughts into other's heads. He's a brainless idiot.

Again, if this White did the crime, then the mother is the co-perp. Yes, as some have said, this possibly could have happened to some of us when we were young. But, the longer one is not held accountable for his/her "mistakes", crimes, accidents, etc. ... then the bigger those tend to get down the road. Best to hold her accountable now rather than later when possibly one of her future children will be left with yet another person who abuses that child, too.

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117webad(156 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10...

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118Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

webad :

Well fool , you seem to have a problem with the criticism of Timothy White . Are you related to him by chance ? When it comes to brains that subject is way over your head .

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119shadowman(67 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

"Again, if this White did the crime, then the mother is the co-perp."

And what would you charge her with that the police have not?

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120webad(156 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Stan,
Are you trying to goad me into criticizing White who has been neither tried nor convicted? Fail. You are misguided and blinded by fantasy. De Pane! De plane!.
I'll ask my churchgoing friends to pray for your enlightenment.

shadowman,
I am not professionally engaged in criminal justice. What I think isn't important where the rubber meets the road on this crime. I don't administer justice in the Youngstown Little Chicago Courts. From my reading here, I believe others have indicated that the mother has not been charged thus far. If I were the law, AND I had ALL of the evidence at my disposal to study ... then at that time, even though I could, I still would not opine on here with what I would charge her for reasons I state below. In the meantime, neither will I engage in vicious wishful delusion about the kinds of painful punishments I would mete out to 'the accused'.

I'll say it again:
When people on here, and around the city, speak of White as if he's already been found guilty ... you taint a potential jury pool. It could be a reason he may go scott free. It would be a wise move to stop talking as if his guilt has already been established ... or you blabbermouths may have yourselves to blame for fowling up a conviction. After you do that, he may get off on a technicality. Then you will have blood on your own hands by extension.

By the way, because of these posts, none of us, except for me and a few others, would stand a chance of being selected by either defense or prosecuting attorneys to be on the jury. So you'll never get to foist your irrational thinking into the future deliberations. You've cut off your own noses, haters. LoL.

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121Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

"Stan, Are you trying to goad me into criticizing White "

Naw ! That fellow is a victim of the system . Right ?

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122webad(156 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

There you go again, Stan. De plane.! De plane! How are you able you function in this life? I never said he was 'a victim of the system'. Show me where I said that, Stash.

White will have to answer for his crime if he is proven to be the guilty party. Right now, however, he is YOUR victim ... the victim of your imaginary, pre-conceived, pre-trial notions.

BTW, you've never answered any of the questions I've asked you on here. Why not, Stan? You've responded only with focus-shifting blather. That's not very intelligent for a guy who knows it all and has the backing of God to boot. Your responses are short and trite, and contain practically no information ... just silly little sound bites.

Re:
Stan wrote:

"Stan, Are you trying to goad me into criticizing White "

Naw ! That fellow is a victim of the system . Right ?

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123Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Show me where I said that ! I'm asking you ! This was a question . ( That fellow is a victim of the system . Right ? )

"if he is proven to be the guilty"

I don't see any doubt on that part . "The victim of my imaginary, pre-conceived, pre-trial notions ." Too bad that his victim sees Timothy White as all too real . "How about the pre-conceived, pre-trial notion" that she was rushed to the hospital seriously hurt ?

I only defend the right of Timothy Whte to enjoy a very long stay in the slammer which he has earned . You however may see the possibility of the Easter Bunny doning the crime and Timothy White covering for him .

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124webad(156 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

The above settles it, Stan. You are just too dim to understand that the very basics of your thinking are hopelessly flawed. You can't seem to get it through your thick skull that White has been neither tried nor convicted at this point. Yet you yammer on as though he has ... no matter how many times you've been reminded. Jeeeeeeeez.

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125shadowman(67 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

Webad, by your own reasoning then, you should not state that the mother is the co-perp. It is an accusation that at this time has no evidence to support it.

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126Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

CONVICTS SUCH AS TIMOTHY WHITE HAVE NO PLACE IN PUBLIC HOUSING .

ONE STRIKE AND YOU'RE OUT !

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2004/usa11...

V. Federal “One Strike” Legislation
If you break the law, you no longer have a home in public housing, one strike and you’re out. That should be the law everywhere in America.78
—President Bill Clinton

LET'S ENFORCE THE LAWS !

The Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1988, a broad statute Congress passed to further the war on drugs, called for strict lease enforcement and eviction of public housing tenants who engage in criminal activity.79 Citing a “reign of terror” in public housing,80 the Act required PHAs to utilize leases, which called for eviction if a tenant or a household member or guest engaged in any criminal activity on or near public housing premises.81

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127webad(156 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

I didn't state that, Stan. I said that IF White is convicted then the mother is the co-perp. She would still have to be tried and convicted .... the same standard to which I hold White. My guess is that she will not be charged ... unless some deputy prosecuting attorney needs a raise or he/she's planning to run for political office or has kids in expensive colleges. Maybe time for a newer and nicer car and some cosmetic dental work.

You are right to question my incomplete statement. I should have written my position more clearly. I should not have left it up to the reader to deduce that, in my thinking, the same requirement of conviction in a court of law that goes for White likewise goes for the mother.

But unlike White (should he be convicted), perhaps making her do time (should she be convicted) might not be an appropriate sentence. Unless the law has a prescribed punishment, then maybe assessing her a fine, making her do community service, requiring parenting courses ... all these to inform her that society decided that she is culpable and that it believes she ought to be punished on behalf of her helpless child. She should have been the first line of her daughter's defense ... not, in any way, a contributor to her harm.

Stan, if you continue to respond to me in tiny little sound bites, then I probably will decide not to entertain you anymore.

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128Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

webad , I find liberals such as yourself very entertaining !

I stick to the facts and don't cloud my posts with pixie dust as you do .

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129webad(156 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

LoL. That's positively hilarious, Stan. Keep on twitting yourself right into oblivion.

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130shadowman(67 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

"I said that IF White is convicted then the mother is the co-perp."

Even if White is convicted, that doesn't make her a co-perp unless charged and convicted.

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131webad(156 comments)posted 4 years, 9 months ago

That's what I said, shadowman. Read it up above.

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