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First, stop abortion
It’s time for us to wake up. We’ve been sleeping since 1973.
Abortion must end first, before any other form of terrorism ever will.
Old Forge, Pa.
I'm just not understanding your logic. Terrorism existed long before abortion was legal in the United States.In fact lack of access to safe and legal abortion was used for centuries to terrorize young women into following antiquated roles that MEN artificially crested for them.
Now, I could be wrong maybe you are suggesting that America finally wake up and acknowledge that human beings are sexual creatures and that our children need to informed and educated on the safest and sanest ways to lead a healthy and active sexual lives. If this is the case I applaud your suggestion.
Abortion will never end -whether it is legal or not. If Rowe vs. Wade is ever overturned then back-alley and illegal abortions will ensue.
Sadly brevity doesn't always yield a successful argument, Vic; in fact, it rarely does so.
I am the woman, This is MY BODY, This is MY CHOICE. If they were to make abortion illegal, what should happen to the women who have illegal abortions?! Do NOT tell me how my body should be ran.
This is the choice for a woman and not a man to decide what happens in my life. I already have to work for the man, so i def don't want him to own my body either.
when you can come back with a good answer i might listen to your argument but until then worry about your on life and not the lives of other women who make their own choices and stand up for themselves
The ongoing issue of people willing to kill their own flesh and blood for the sake of conveinience is mind boggling . It has been decided that the unborn have no right to life . Hitler decided that Jews had no right to life and would be exterminated . Millions died . Today abortions in America have far exceeded the slaughter that the Nazis had unleashed . Abortion today is big business that generates wealth to the executioners at the expense of the slaughtered children .
Hi Stan, Just a thought but why is it ok for insurance companies to make loads of money by denying care to people (which often leads to their early demise) but its not ok to make money from abortion?
Why is it ok for oil companies to spew hundreds of millions of tons of pollution into the air and water of our planet (potentially shortening the lives of every living creature on the planet) in the name of the almighty dollar but its not ok to make money from abortion.
Why is it ok for tobacco companies to sell products that are known to cause cancer and other diseases all to keep a few farmers and executives happy, but its not ok to make a living helping women find an alternative to an unhappy life.
Why is it ok for companies to sell alcohol when we know that millions of people will become addicted to it ruining their lives and the lives of thier families (not to mention the tens of thousands killed and injured in alcohol related accidents). But its not ok to make money providing a service to women that can potentially save them and the unborn child a life of misery.
So Stan my question to you is why are all of these other lives not as important as the unborn children you are trying to defend?
And Stan one more thing, would you be willing to adopt an unwanted child to prevent an abortion? ( but guess what you don't get to pick the child, its chosen for you randomly it might be addicted to drugs, of a different race or religion than yours, it may be deformed or mentally challenged, or a product of rape or incest)
Until you and all of the others who claim that making abortions illegal will make the world a better place can honestly answer YES to this question I suggest you analyze your motivation for voicing your opinion on this issue.
The hypocricy of those who chose abortion . After they have killed their own children for the sake of convenience they will ask those children who survived the holocaust of abortion to fund their care in old age . Now they are the inconvenient ones . Will they demand to be euthanized ?
I'm amazed the anti-abortion crowd doesn't drown in their own pathos sometimes.
There is a whole bunch of subhumans around ytown that should of been aborted. Never happen though because each little illegitimate is money in the bank and some day will vote. Wonder what party they will vote for.
^^ Case in point.
Okay people, let us be realistic, if abortion is outlawed two things will happen and we all know it.
1) There will be illegal abortions performed for those women that do not have a lot of money.
2) There will be medical procedures performed at private clinics for those who are well off financially. A little donation to Dr. Uppity-ups favorite charity in his name will go a long way in solving the problem.
If you do not understand this then you are extremely naive.
On September 11th, we were horrified as we watched the destruction of more than 3,000 innocent human lives. In an instant, our government responded to protect the country from further loss," Connor said, in a news release. "But the sad reality of American life is that more than 4,000 children die every day in this country at the hands of abortionists and the government does nothing to intervene.
jessie, my statement had nothing to do with what anyone's belief is as to the hereafter or if there is actually one. I was stating what reality is.
Now as far as the God theory, I still haven't figured out why a God that will punish the women you describe above would allow some dirt bag to kidnap, rape and murder a young child and then get away with it for the rest of his life. So he will burn in hell after enjoying a long life while her parents could go to their graves and never know what happened to their child. Kinda wonder about that God!
Or why he would allow a small child dying from cancer to beg her parents not to let her die, promising to be good. Yea, tell me all about that God!!! Try explaining without the old standbys of "he had other work for her" or "God needed to call her home" These are the usuals from the clergy since they do not know what else to say.
Sorry about this rant but I get ticked with the Jesus freaks. Enough from me, I have had my say!
Well Redvert here is the scoop on God . He put me on this earth with a multitude of talents one of which is thinking . Until he appears or I leave this earth I have to fend for myself using my God given talents .
Why do bad things happen ? Well it's like this,when it rains it rains on the just and the unjust . When bad things happen it is up to the just using their God given talents to help straighten things out . Many pulling together can truly accomplish miracles .
Getting back to my original point, if your god and your church are so against abortion (I don't like it either but I don't feel its my place to tell others how to live their lives), then why are you so against MASTURBATION, birth control and sex education since they are logically the only effective way to reduce the numbers of abortions!
BTW you must be an unAmerican socialist if you think its wrong for people to make money from abortions; since you claim that anyone who wants to regulate, control, or stimulate competition by creating a public healthcare option is an unAmerican socialist.
Dear Pro,Many of those who are against legal abortion (thank you for recognizing that it will never go away even if its illegal) are also against any kind of sex education for children (ie. the Catholic church) and believe that abstinence until marriage or lifelong celibacy are the only answers (they even go so far as to threaten members of their own flock with excommunication for publicly acting or saying otherwise, which relates back to the terrorism point in my original comment).
As for insurance companies competing against the government they have been doing that very successfully since the inception of Medicare. No one would be saying anything if it was a new insurance company opening up and undercut their prices by 25%, they would simply find ways to compete (better service, more coverage, better network, or find ways to cut costs) just as they have always done. So I just don't buy that argument.
As for the socialism comment yes I used that just to provide some perspective, I am a very liberal thinker and find it offensive that so many are wrongly using the word to describe President Obama since from my perspective he is a staunch capitalist who is only slightly left of most in the Bush administration.
So many these days use the word socialism (an economic system) when what they really mean is communism (one type of socialist government).
I just so you understand me better, I also was against the bailout of the Banks, Insurance companies, and Auto manufacturing. From my perspective all of that was done in an attempt to maintain the capitalist status quo, rather than letting the unrestrained capitalism of the 1980's and 1990's die a natural death.
So there you have it you and I though coming at these issues from different perspectives actually have some things in common.
When the wealth is stripped from the people then only the government will have wealth . Would this then be called communism ? Total government control will dictate who will live and who will die . They will also rule on what will be taught in the schools . A hint on history . Communism collapsed in Russia . Obama care is the first step for us . Will American Communism succeed ?
When it has been ruled that the unborn have no right to life the all other rights can be taken away as well . We are well on the road to total government control . Slavery in its worst form will be thrust upon us as it already has been upon the unborn .
1st the "framers" did not plan for abortions at all it just wans't on their radar at the time.
2nd overturning Roe v Wade is simply the first albiet long battle in war whose plan is to make choice illegal in as many states as possible (so claiming that its a states rights issue is an oversimplification).
3rd Roe v Wade provides no federal funding for abortions what you are referring to is the Hyde amendment which in Ohio only provides funding for Medicaid eligible women in the case of rape, incest, or to protect the life of the woman. please review the facts at http://www.aclu.org/reproductive-free... If you don't like the federal funding then just try to repeal the Hyde amendment only. I don't like my tax dollars being used in illegal wars overseas or for the government to spy on Americans so I guess we both have issues with that.
You could simply choose and insurance plan that does not include abortion coverage much as the Republican national committee was forced to do.
Howardinyoungstown, you make far too much sense for the right wingers. Someone above said there have been 50 million murders since 1973. Untrue, abortion is not murder but there have been a few hundred murders, committed by anti-choicers who have taken REAL MURDER of abortion providers into their own hands. Good points Howard about all the right wing supported industries who routinely kill and maim millions and yet the right wing doesn't address that. Another myth is that women later in life have mental issues from previous abortions. Any tie between abortion and mental issues is tenuous at best.
The interesting thing about this issue is that many of the anti-choicers are men. If men had to carry babies, abortion clinics would be like gas stations, on every corner.
31 RFedere :
"abortion is not murder" ?
When your are killed at the hands of another for the mere fact that you are alive it is murder .
*I am the woman, This is MY BODY, This is MY CHOICE* - quote.
Yes, you are the woman and it is your body and choice. So choose to keep your legs closed unless you have proper birth control in place or are ready to raise another human being. Abortion is not a form of birth control, it is killing a human being of your OWN flesh that didnt ask to be there.
I love how the so called pro-lifers such as Pro-Conservaterican staunchly defend the unborn but yet cheer when a doctor that performs a legal procedure at the request of a patient is gunned down and murdered by a crazy killer.They always use the lame excuse that the doctor somehow deserves it.Really?So if I would think conservatives are a danger to America and deserve to die then I have the right to kill them? That is but one example of their twisted logic.(No doubt their are many conservatives that would relish putting a bullet into a progressive as evidenced by the signs at the tea parties).I would love to have Pro-Conservaterican sit in on a consult where the mother-to-be is told her baby has no chance to survive or her her own life is in danger by continuing the pregnancy and spout off his nonsense about how it`s his way or the highway.In his world everything is black and white as opposed to reality where there are many shades of gray.Oh, another beautiful day Pro-Conservaterican as we continue our slide into socialism.LOL......Now put your tinfoil hat back on and go put up your X-mas lights.And by the way,your conservatives have been in power in both the White House and Supreme Court for years and guess what? Abortion is STILL legal.They just used it as a campaign issue to rile up the sheeple and it`s worked like a charm.
"Oh, another beautiful day Pro-Conservaterican as we continue our slide into socialism."
So your life revolves around the killing of the unborn and gloating how the conservatives can't do anything about it ? How pathetic.
Liberalism is the science of stupidity at the expense of everyone .
Religion decided that abortion was murder, not science.
To CassAnn, not all birth control is 100%. That .1% can happen. Try not to be crude when spewing your judgments on a website.
Read Psalms 139 verse 13 and 16
To CassAnn, not all birth control is 100%. That .1% can happen. Try not to be crude when spewing your judgments on a website.
Atown Parent....By your screen name, Atown Parent, you are probably a parent. When you look at your children, you are glad they are alive, right? Could you even imagine what life would be if you had aborted that child? You are right. That .1% can happen, but if you don't have sex at all, then it is 100% birth control.
And you say religion decided that abortion was murder? The definition says that it is: "to kill one human by another, with premeditated malice." It doesn't say: "Murder. See 'relgion'". I think Abortion is premeditated malice.
AtownParent- I have a 1%. She is a beautiful intelligent little girl and I wouldnt trade her for anything. I had sex, I took responsibility for my actions. I am sorry my plain outright view offends you, but it's true. If you arent prepared to have a child, use birth control or don't have sex.
It is not your plain outright view that offends, it is your self righteous view. Standing ovation for CHOOSING to keep the child, others may not feel the same way.
To steelerman, that is your right to think that. I don't agree that it is murder.
You are beyond reasoning if you actually believe that people will just stop having sex if they are not prepared for a child, or at the very least not living in reality.
ATown Parent, you are right...I would be stupid to think that people will stop having sex because they aren't prepared for a child. Most people are NOT prepared to be parents and if they have the idea of abortion AT ALL and decide to have the baby in the long run, then the child suffers throughout their lives, most of the time, because the parent didn't want them to begin with. Again, this is not the case 100% of the time, but the majority of the time it is. People are just not responsible at all.
Why should an unborn child be executed for what the parents have done ?
I sure hope that none of these pro-lifers are ever raped and become pregnant. Would they carry that child for 9 months just to give it up for adoption?
Steelerman09 - If you look up the definition of "abortion", you will find that the definition you quoted is incorrect. Here is the correct definition:
Main Entry: abor·tion Pronunciation: \ə-ˈbȯr-shən\Function: noun Date: 15471 : the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus: as a : spontaneous expulsion of a human fetus during the first 12 weeks of gestation — compare miscarriage b : induced expulsion of a human fetus c : expulsion of a fetus by a domestic animal often due to infection at any time before completion of pregnancy — compare contagious abortion 2 : monstrosity3 : arrest of development (as of a part or process) resulting in imperfection; also : a result of such arrest
I have had several "spontaneous abortions" and at no time was it an act of another human being to kill another"...in general terms they were miscarriages.
"Satan Laughs as mothers murder their own babies in the name of "freedom of choice"—but the baby has no choice."
Im against abortion. But reality dictates that those lazy, inconvienced moms are not going take care of those kids. They will be in and out of psychiatric facilities, abandoned, JJC bound, CSB involvement, county custudy. Then what, we dont want government programs and handouts(which I dont).
I work in child psych...these kids dont have a chance...they are F'd in life cause of a bad decision by adults. I hate seeing these kids in pain. I dont have the answers but sometimes I wish that parent would have made that decision to abort cause the kid suffers a life time of pain. And most of you dont have a clue what goes on and how bad it really is, cause those parentless kids have kids while a kid themselves
Abortion is never a good answer. But I can understand the frustration of seeing people in such hopeless circumstances...
"I sure hope that none of these pro-lifers are ever raped and become pregnant. Would they carry that child for 9 months just to give it up for adoption?" end quote.
Yes I would. Why? Because it isnt the child's fault. Given the choice between carrying a baby for 9 months and giving it life or having it literally torn apart while ALIVE with a knife- I would give birth. That is an easy answer. I am not killing an innocent child by a cruel painful death for any reason.
Oh for the love of.....cruel painful death when it is just a mass of cells.....way to over dramatize.
CassAnn aka drama queen - "Torn apart while ALIVE with a knife"....you obviously need to educate yourself. And if you were ever in the position I referenced, I doubt very highly it would be "an easy answer". Does the government dictate any other "elective surgeries or procedures?
Mass of cells? NOT- that "mass of cells" sucks its thumb at 8 weeks gestation and will react to being touched. By this age the neuro-anatomic structures are present. What is needed is (1) a sensory nerve to feel the pain and send a message to (2) the thalamus, a part of the base of the brain, and (3) motor nerves that send a message to that area. These are present at 8 weeks. The pain impulse goes to the thalamus. It sends a signal down the motor nerves to pull away from the hurt. A more technical description would add that changes in heart rate and fetal movement also suggest that intrauterine manipulations are painful to the fetus.If pointing out that abortion tortures a baby before it is KILLED is being a drama queen, I will wear that title with PRIDE LOL
ytowngramma you are the one who needs educated on the subject. Abortions are performed by D&C- which is dialation and curretage- curretage being a sharp blade used to scrape and cut the baby from the womb. Or the other option which is just as ugly- they suction the baby into peices via vacuum aspiration. Animals get put to sleep. Aborted babies dont even get that.
Women have the right to choose. This is a right that should never be taken away from them.
Thank you Union. CassAnn probably thinks mothers shouldn't work either. Wonder if she wants to take away our right to vote while she is at it.
Oh please AtownPARENT - Like working or voting has anything to do with abortion. You just dont like to see the ugly truth of what an abortion really is.
NO, you don't see the medical procedure that abortion truly is.
Kudos CassAnn! I am a drama queen too!
I do love the argument that its the "womans" right.Its the "womans" right to decide the fate of the fathers child...what a joke of a statement
UNION, the woman will always decide, right or wrong, but during the years of debating this topic, nobody even mentions it. Like the fathers involvement and decision making isnt even a speed bump.
Every person is just a mass of cells inflated by water . After death these cells can't defend themselves because blood has ceased to circulate and are destroyed by bacteria and fungus . Ashes to ashes and dust to dust, they revert back to the elements . All of us live on finite time .
The unborn whose time has been drastically shortened by abortion have been short changed in a horrific fashion . They were defenseless and had relied upon their mother for protection . Since the mothers life is finite she will in the same state as she placed her child . In the realm of where the spirits dwell what will be her fate ?
God is Pro Abortion:
And.....the facts are, many, many more women die during childbirth than from a legal abortion.
And......most women do not regret having an abortion........you only hear from the women who were unstable to begin with and are unable to deal with many aspects of their lives.
And.....all anti-choice individuals should be required to adopt at least one unwanted child.......and that includes all of the disabled children now spending their lives in institutions. Please don't cry poor mouth either, you yourselves have stated that if faced with an unplanned pregnancy you would have the child . You would manage.
And....I am sooooo tired of hearing that woment should keep their legs together. Why don't men just keep their business in their pants and quit abandoning their "woman" after they have knocked them up? For every single mother out there, there is a man who has walked away and left the tax payers with the burden of providing for their child.
And......you don't want your tax dollars paying for abortions? Maybe I don't want my tax dollars going to support welfare babies and pay for their healthcare for 20 years. MANY people have more babies just to stay on the welfare gravy train.....wake up.
And.....VERY FEW partial birth abortions are preformed. It is ONLY done to SAVE THE MOTHER'S LIFE. How many of you antis out there would be willing to stand there and watch your wife, sister or daughter DIE because this procedure was deemed illegal? If you are OK with that..... FINE.....don't have the procedure done and let your loved one die. You have NO RIGHT to make that decision for someone else.
And.....even sterilization has been known to fail as a method of birth control. How many of you pro-choice men out there would agree to TOTAL ABSTINENCE if your lady didn't want to take the chance of ending up with an unwanted pregnancy?Please stand up and be counted if you would be willing to go without vaginal sex until your lady is well into menopause.
Abortion is a PERSONAL CHOICE. Mind your own business.
"most women do not regret having an abortion"
No one has ever complained about being murdered but that doesn't make it right .
Hitler made a personal choice to exterminate millions . He also told the world to mind their own business .
You will never stop abortions, only safe ones.
"You will never stop abortions, only safe ones."
You will never stop murder of any kind but you will ultimately pay the price for it !
Outlaw abortion? How many more welfare mothers and their children can a government afford.
How many more deadbeat politicians sponging a salary can we afford ?
The unborn have just as much right to life as anyone . What makes those who decide to kill them feel that only they have a greater right to live ?
Let me start by saying that I am pro-life and a conservative Christian. Contrary to what I've read here, I'm not overjoyed by the death of an abortion doctor, I take no pleasure in the pain of a woman who's experienced a rape resulting in pregnancy, nor do I advocate banning either sexual education in schools or use of birth control. Please remember not all who have a personal relationship with Christ are Catholics.
Bottom line is probable quality (or lack thereof) of life is not the baseline for which the decision to live or not live should be based on. Where do you draw the line? Should we give the unborn child a trial run and see if say, by age 2 life is going to be ok for them so we let them live, or if by age 2 they're neglected by parents who don't care in which case we should just kill them now, but hey at least we let them have a chance? Or the elderly, should euthanasia become the choice for kids who don't wish to have the responsibility of caring for aging parents?
ytowngramma - I sure hope you've never been through the trauma of a rape, but if you haven't please don't bring the issue up. It's a slap in the face to someone who has been through it to be used as an example by one who hasn't. I was raped, and no pregnancy ensued (thank God) but had I become pregnant I would have had that baby because that baby wasn't at fault, and it would be half of me. I may not have kept it, I may have gone the adoption route, but would have allowed it the chance at life for sure.
I had an unplanned pregnancy and chose to have the baby. My son is almost 6 years old and I look at him everyday and thank God he was given to me to love and care for. My husband and I are blessed with our 2 children, not everyone's situation works out like ours did, but sometimes it does, and those situations deserve as much recognition as the negative outcomes.
Not every unplanned pregnancy is a horror story, and the child deserves the right to life.
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