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What do Boardmanites want from township government?

Published: Sun, November 8, 2009 @ 12:00 a.m.

Boardman Township trustees Kathy Miller and Robyn Gallitto, with eight years and four years in office respectively, were ousted Tuesday by the voters. Brought in to succeed them were Thomas Costello, who had served for six years before losing in 2005, and Brad Calhoun, a Boardman school teacher who ran unsuccessfully for trustee in 2007. Thus the question: What message were the residents delivering with their votes?

We would hope it isn’t as simple as what Calhoun suggested Tuesday night: “ ... the first thing people want to see is unity among the trustees.” Why simple? Because the township is confronting a fiscal crisis that will not be solved by Costello, Calhoun and the Trustee Larry Moliterno refraining from passionate, public deliberations just to appear unified. Unanimous votes aren’t necessarily a sign of good governance.

Indeed, there was a time in Boardman Township when the three trustees were so committed to being in lock step that their public meetings were devoid of debate or discussion before votes being cast. Residents and reporters in attendance were left with the impression that deliberations had occurred away from the public spotlight. That is not how democracy should work.

To be sure, trustees Miller and Gallitto disagreed on some important issues and made their opinions known during the meetings, but to suggest that such verbal clashes were the cause of Boardman’s fiscal crisis is to ignore reality.

National economic recession

And what is the reality? That the township would be in dire straits regardless of who was in office. The national economic recession has played havoc with governments at all levels. Living on the fiscal edge has become standard operating procedure.

Boardman’s situation has been exacerbated by the fact that for years government had dipped into a special fund, generated by inheritance tax revenue, to bolster its operating budget. Today, however, the inheritance money has all but dried up.

In its fiscal analysis of township government, the Ohio Auditor of State’s Office developed a financial forecast for 2010 that looked at the past four years. Here’s what the state auditors found: In 2006, Boardman ended the year with a $5.26 million balance; in 2007, the balance dropped to $2.8 million; in 2008, it was $873,000; and for this year, the auditors forecast that the township will have a deficit of $344,000 on Dec. 31.

That means it will start the new year in the red.

For those who argue that Miller and Gallitto were irresponsible for not recalling firefighters and hiring police officers after voters approved a safety forces levy, the state auditor’s fiscal analysis clearly shows that even with the new revenue, the township can’t make ends meet.

Now it’s up to Costello and Calhoun, working with Moliterno, to deliver on the pledge to bolster the police and fire departments, and to cure Boardman’s financial ills.


1Tugboat(759 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

It appears the Vindicator is attempting to get in the last word as the voters did not go along with their endorsements for Boardman.

'A man who finds it particularly important to get the last word where he has some doubts as to the merits of his case. The last word will serve as a clinching argument that will make up for any deficiencies in his logic. Achieving the last word now also brings the advantage that he may subsequently point to his success in this debate as the clinching argument in future debates. However, if he did not win the last discussion, he will still claim incessantly that he did.'

The Vindicator, despite their endorsements, had previously printed thousands of words that were essentially against the ousted ones. Here are just a few examples:





My conclusion is that the Vindicator will miss the "spectacle" as it was taken away by an educated electorate and now they will have less to write about.

Regarding the fiscal crisis, Boardman is only one of three Ohio Townships that has come close to the fiscal watch spotlight and that negative light was brought on by "request." They apparently couldn't figure it out themselves or lacked self-confidence. We didn't elect the State Auditor Office to run Boardman, we elected them. And they should have been honest and not have made any promises with the safety forces levy, Someone fumbled the math there.

The campaign mantra by Atty. Gallitto was unity, civility and fiscal responsibility.' The unity never happened and the civility was short lived and many expenditures were questionable. Putting department heads in the front row, browbeating, axe grinding, making an issue out of take-home cars and contradicting oneself later on that VERY issue doesn't help one get re-elected. Admitting that there were mistakes will.

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2apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Just because the electorate speaks doesn't mean they've spoken correctly.

The Vindy is spot on with their editorial.

An educated electorate? Hardly.

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3Dakka(18 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

I also agree with the sentiments expressed in this editorial. Talk about “unity” might suffice on the campaign trail but now that the show’s over it's time to come up with real solutions to our problems. CALEA certification won’t do it, nor will empty campaign rhetoric.

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4apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Just curious Tug, were the voters right in 2009 when they elected Calhoun and Costello or were they right in 2005 when they rejected Calhoun and Costello? So much for the electorate being educated!

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5apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Tug, the vote for Costello and Calhoun was more of a vote against Miller and Gallitto, the status quo, than it was a vote FOR Calhoun or Costello. The same is true of 2005, when Costello lost and Mancini would have lost had she not retired. If Costello and Calhoun (and Moliterno) think that they can just coast and pass a levy for more contract giveaways, they too will find themselves un-elected in 2011 and 2013. They had better get the fiscal house in order with wage and benefit cuts or find themselves in the same boat.

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6candystriper(575 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

the editorial board has a set of presumptions that are really a form of madness...

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7Tugboat(759 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Apollo wrote: "Just curious Tug, were the voters right in 2009 when they elected Calhoun and Costello or were they right in 2005 when they rejected Calhoun and Costello? So much for the electorate being educated!"

If he was an educated voter he would know that Calhoun did not run in 2005.

Apollo also wrote: "the vote for Costello and Calhoun was more of a vote against Miller and Gallitto."

Yes, Apollo, as H.L. Mencken said, "elections are usually the butchery of a villain rather than the exaltation of a hero." In this instance I am very proud to be a member of the Meat Cutters' Union!!!

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8apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Tug, Calhoun lost before, whether it was 2005 or 2007 is irrelevant. Only people who can't answer the original question would be so petty. So did the electorate get it right when they rejected Calhoun or when they elected Calhoun? Are you going to answer or get out another of your cute little stolen quotations?

Remember, a one time meat cutters union can easily be the victim of the same next time. Apollo.

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9Dakka(18 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

While I agree with TUG that the former trustees fumbled the math, its also true the state audit was forced on the them to some extent. The unions don’t trust Leicht and insist there’s plenty of money. The trustees needed an outside, credible third-party to confirm what Leicht has been saying for years. Even so, some in the union still insist Leicht is hiding cash. It’s clear this issue is not going away. The trustees should get the unions to do their own independent audit as soon as possible.

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10apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Look at the contributors to the Moliterno campaign!

Moliterno from 2007

Connie Knecht $1000
Sonny Smith $2,500
Citizens to elect Costello $250
Connie Knecht $1,000 (2nd one)
Tom Carney $200
Sonny Smith $300
Elaine Mancini $100
Mark Munroe $375 (Republican party)
Boardman Firefighters $2000
Greg Smith $2,500 (Smith’s son)
Committee to Elect Bill Leicht $500

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11jr99(102 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

I second that, Tugboat!!!

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12jr99(102 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Maybe he can have his girl Kathy and his new best friend Rosati on his campaign committee.

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13Tugboat(759 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Congratulations, Apollo! You had a comment removed. Oooooo, censorship! We still want to know what your favorite beverage is so...well...you know.

And we've decided to let you in on our little secret. We conspired to put Costello in office so he could fix all those things you said he was responsible for. Oh my Gawd! And we won!! After all, Robyn and Kathy shouldn't have to fix his mistakes....Right?

Bye. Chooch!!!

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14apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

When you want to make threats, of course it should be removed. There is a difference between threats and 8th grade students ratings of Calhoun.

So now we have 3 lightweights running the township. A lifetime trough feeder whose students found to be pathetic, a former trustee who rubber stamped all the inheritance spending, and another who runs a quasi trough feeding entity. All owned lock stock and barrel by the cabal. The future looks bright indeed! LOL.

As for running, the only running I'll do is out of this land that time forgot, run by the corrupt. Enjoy the ride. Can't wait for the state takeover.

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15apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

I heard Larry was totally confused at tonights meeting about the financial problems. I guess the Boardman Spews has one number and the Vindy has another. Larry couldn't figure out the transfer of money to the fund to buy salt. Wow, we got Larry, Curly, and Moe now to run things. Bring on CALEA!!!

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16CabinFever(25 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

You might have heard Larry was confused, but for 8 years I witnessed Miller be confused at every meeting.

Still waiting for someone, anyone to tell me what the voters paid Kathy Miller to do for 8 years? Besides get her picture taken with a now rusting, unused quarter-of-a-million-dollar mulch machine - can someone tell us what she did to get a paycheck and health care benefits?

Someone? Anyone?

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17Dakka(18 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Yeah, I was at the meeting tonight. It was crazy. Apparently there’s money in special accounts dedicated to specific costs, like Police and Firefighter salaries, but they aren’t using that money. NOOOO, they’re using money from the general fund to pay salaries, you know, the account that the state says will be in deficit by next year. WT_?!

In all fairness to Miller, she seems to have questioned this practice months time ago (I was there) and everyone criticized her. But tonight Robyn jumped on the bandwagon, questioning the practice and demanding answers. She sounded like Miller, but no one criticized her. Leicht tried to say it didn’t matter (“you’re not making new money”) but he ended-up throwing his arms up in frustration, saying “go ahead, wave your magic wand”. In the end they did vote to move $100,000.00 from special account for the road dept. (the gas tax fund) to the road dept. (to purchase road salt?)

The funny thing is that Robyn finally got religion on the budget only because she didn’t want to give the new trustees reasons to criticize her. (Too bad she wasn’t as concerned about the opinions of the voters)!

As to the difference in the numbers quoted in the Vindy (deficit) and the B’dman News (surplus), the Vindy's number is limited to the general fund while the B News' number includes money held in restricted funds. But no one explained that at the meeting.

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18SkyKing310B(315 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

@appolo-Let me pose a "fresh" question to you.

Except for the safety forces levy which was passed last year, the only new levy that the voters have approved was back in 1995. Batwoman & Robyn tried to pass one a couple of years ago but the voters rejected that one because they wouldn't tell us what they were going to use the money for.

After the 1995 levy was passed, Boardman received some sizeable amounts of money from inheritance taxes. When those monies came in, the trustees voted to use some of the monies for operations, some for capital improvements, some for drainage problems and the rest for investment. They did not place any new levies before the electorate. Both Dems & Repubs served during these years.

From these monies, we now have a new admin/police building, road dept building, fire station and everybody's favorite- the Beast. We also had many drainage projects completed or ready to be done and we had money in the bank.

Regarding the "sweetheart deals" with the unions- During this time any contract which went to arbitration almost always was decided in favor of the unions because until just recently most arbitrators were "pro-union". Even though the township would make the case that the investment monies were to cover any future shortfalls, this argument fell on deaf ears. Thus we have what we have today.

Here's the question- Given the environment the township operated in during those years, how could YOU justify going to the people and ask them to pass a new tax levy when they knew the township had $15-$20 million dollars in the bank at various times during 1995-2005? Also, if you follow Kathy Miller's rationale that those monies should only be used for capital improvements, how would YOU address this to the voters?

I am going to be very interested in hearing your answers to these questions.

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19SkyKing310B(315 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Foxtrot- Do you live in Boardman?

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20Tugboat(759 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Apollo wrote: 'When you want to make threats, of course it should be removed.'

How is inquiring about your favorite alcoholic beverage a threat? We simply want to be prepared.

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21apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

It wasn't that part of your comment Tug and you know it. I thought you were above making threats but I guess you've been sucked into the same kind of attacks that others made on this and the Dems website. I find it funny that people whose job is to protect and serve think nothing of threatening taxpayers.

As for the inheritance taxes that were blown on contracts and the palatial buildings we now have, isn't it funny how some communities can refrain from doing that (Solon) and therefore have a surplus and the states best bond rating. I talked to an executive there and he said they don't let the unions drain all their carry over funds and save for the proverbial rainy day. The claim that Boardman somehow is different and couldn't have prevented the overspending simply because the money was there, is disingenuous and untrue.

Another thing about the inheritance money. Using it to defer tax increases is also a bogus claim from those who needed to find an excuse for the overspending after the fact. It would have been much better to ask for levy's even with 15-20 million in the bank and see if the taxpayers thought the spending patterns were sustainable and made sense. They weren't and this is the result. The unions saw the inheritance money and made blatant attempts (successfully) to put it into their pockets.

The bottom line is this:

Even with the inheritance money that supposedly deferred tax increases, Boardman's tax rates are just as high as most other communities. Wouldn't the deferred tax increases tend to make ours lower??? The state audit says we are paying $20,000 per employee more than peer communities. The argument that we get better employees because of the higher wages/benefits is a bogus one.

CALEA wasn't free. The substation wasn't free. Past trustees took the easy way out and spent every last dollar. Built in a cost structure based on one time non recurring revenue streams. That would be like a household building in a one time $50,000 lottery win into their daily expenditures, a recipe for bankruptcy.

This is the result of trustees who never questioned spending, said aye to all of it and who let the department heads and an administrator whose focus was elsewhere run the show.

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22Tugboat(759 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Aye, aye, aye, aye.....


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23apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Tug, you're like a broken record with your meeting minutes.

I'll bet you have a folder ready and waiting for certain discussions.

The fact is Miller is the only trustee who questioned spending like drunken sailors. Now the hangover starts.

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24Tugboat(759 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Apollo, did you bother to read the meeting minutes? Talk about saying 'aye to all of it.'

Bioscript Finger Reader and more laptops and....don't forget all the new equipment for all those extra cars you complained about. Your denial mechanism is certainly intact.

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25apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Tug, as usual, you point out the expenditures of pennies when the budget is 85% wages and benefits. The audit says we are paying $20,000 more per employee than peers. That equates to 2-3 million dollars. A little more important that a few thousand here and there. But since YOU are a beneficiary of the 2-3 million dollar wage and benefit largess, you never seem to mention that but harp on the pennies.

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26apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Cars for tots, substations now closed and never needed, nice lease at 2 1/2 times the going rate for space that Davis couldn't give away, cooked clearance to make the officers look better than they are, fired Canfield officers who then wind up being arrested, 4 hours per court appearance, 2 men per truck, 6 cars per shift, 38 vacation days, 11 holidays, built in OT language, minimal health care contributions, spiking those retirement payouts, ad nauseum.

Tug, you never complain about the "spiking" but do complain about other less costly spending. Maybe because the "spiking" helps out the buddies?

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27candystriper(575 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

...when PERS blows up


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28NoBS(2757 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Anyone else amused by the irony?

apollo (708 comments)posted 22 hours, 27 minutes ago

Tug, you're like a broken record with your meeting minutes.

I'll bet you have a folder ready and waiting for certain discussions.

THEN we read:

apollo (708 comments)posted 21 hours, 57 minutes ago

Cars for tots, substations now closed and never needed, nice lease at 2 1/2 times the going rate for space that Davis couldn't give away, cooked clearance to make the officers look better than they are, fired Canfield officers who then wind up being arrested, 4 hours per court appearance, 2 men per truck, 6 cars per shift, 38 vacation days, 11 holidays, built in OT language, minimal health care contributions, spiking those retirement payouts, ad nauseum.

He's been hauling that same list out for years. Nobody even knows what he's talking about any more. Or cares.

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29apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

ALLBS doesn't even get the reference but that is typical of township employees. Tugboat posts a couple of meeting minutes as proof of aye voting over 8 years of meetings. That's like saying because the sun shined today, we get 365 days of sunshine a year! Send that big truck out on another fender bender run ALLBS. Remember everything's free!

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30Tugboat(759 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Apollo gets TLW - again.

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31Tugboat(759 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Apollo wroites: "Tug, as usual, you point out the expenditures of pennies when the budget is 85% wages and benefits."

So, if the budget is 85% wages and benefits, that's license to spend recklessly on trinkets and tinfoil?

Hey, Apollo, the next time they send that big truck out on another fender bender run, you should consider standing in front of it like that Dude who held up the tank at Tiananmen Square. That would be awesome!!

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32apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Miller was right about you Tug! ALLBS thinks Leicht is my friend??? You are really out of touch there ALLBS. I've never met him and think he's part of the problem. Don't worry, I'll still get the truth about Boardman. I'll still get the salaries and post them. None of you have even remotely refuted truthfully anything I've said. $200,000 CALEA, etc etc. Can't wait for the state takeover. Watch the rats scramble. Should be very entertaining.

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33apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Boardman needs a helicopter so that we can dispatch that to all fender benders. Never know when that one in a million minor accident victim might need life flighted to a local hospital. Maybe one of the FD members can get his copter license. That'd be cost effective. A swat team for those Walmart shoplifters might come in handy too.

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34apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

ALLBS, I have often complained about Leicht. But here is a list of truths I've been saying for years.

The substation was a waste of money. That turned out to be true and is now closed. Are we still paying for the lease at 2 1/2 times the going rate? For property that Davis couldn't give away.

Patterson cooked his clearance. That is also true and no Boardman cop could present even one other department that posted clearance that way. The FBI recommends and all departments nationwide do it a certain way.....except Boardman.

CALEA cost $200,000 to acquire. That includes years worth of manpower wasted on paper pushing. Now it too is gone. Actually, I posted a consulting company that says the average is $300,000 to acquire.

The salaries that I've claimed the townships employees are making are easily confirmed here: http://www.boardmanfacts.com/Links.php

The IT ad was bogus. That too is fact.

So, I'm not sure what you are referring to when you say I tell a skewed tale. Everything I've posted is verified and factual.

Can't wait for the state takeover. It'll be hilarious watching the rats point fingers and squirm. Better than the comedy channel.

Hey, everythings free. No cost ambulance startups. Helicopter and landing pad for free. Command center is free. Swat team is free.

Oh baby, we aren't in the red!!!................yet!

How much they going to borrow to get to March. Probably more than last year! I'll bet 5 million this year! How's that credit card working?

Finances are going to get worse and unlikely to get better any time soon.

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35Tugboat(759 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Hey, Apollo, the next time they send that big truck out on another fender bender run, you should consider standing in front of it like that Chinaman who held up the tank at Tiananmen Square. That would be awesome!!

But b4 u do, please give us a list of ur favorite beverages. So we'll know what to drink before...u know. :-O

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36comeandtakeit(10 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

I just looked at all the pays fom 2008 and it is no wonder why we are so broke. Cops making 100k plus and they don't even pay for coffee.

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37candystriper(575 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

You are now entering Boardman "Toll Booth Ahead"

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38ubotherme(53 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

hey Apall-O and clarkc_nt,
FYI, just today in Boardman, there was a car crash where, in some areas, the patient would have HAD to be flown to a trauma center.

However, thanks to the BFD, a critical patient was saved by the BOARDMAN FIRE DEPARTMENT and taken to the local trauma center. (Also, several other patients were taken to area hospitals.)

You may not see this on the local news tonight, but it DID happen. It DOES happen more often than you can even imagine.

So, for all you who say you can do without a GREAT fire department, you can ALL go pound salt.....or whatever you may have in your pathetic hands.

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39apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

That accident happened Thursday night, not tonight!!!

I drove through that mess last night. Probably someone texting while driving. But for the terrible accident that happens once a year, we should be taxed into oblivion. Paying cops over 100,000, (average 85,000) ambulance services that cost a bundle to start just to keep the firemen employed. 2 men per truck so that roadies can get OT. The townships employees have sucked the trough dry. The taxpayers are tapped out. Every Boardman employee should take a 20% wage and benefit cut to keep the township solvent and prevent the state takeover.

See the salaries here: http://www.boardmanfacts.com/Links.php

Accidents happen, should we send every dollar we make to the township just in case? Helicopter pad here we come. Maybe the FD can train one of their own to fly. Pay him 250,000. Plus bennies of course.

Time for a partially volunteer fire department like Austintown. It works there at half the cost.

What is it with these township employees and their cronies making perverted references all the time. Is that what the FD does in their down time?

We can't pay safety forces more than doctors and lawyers. Not in a community with little violent crime and few fires. Using the inheritance dollars to fund the over payments was excessive.

Get the scare machine turned on. Every crime and every fire or accident will get posted, the employees of Boardman will make sure we all know about them. Got to prime the taxpayers for the next levy in 2010.

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40apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Hey ALLBS, I saw the carnage. There are however ambulance services already that provide the duplication the BFD provides at much higher expense than those private services. The township can't afford to pay it's employees cadillac wages when the taxpayers are barely making it.

The average cost of every township employee is around $100,000 with wages and benefits. Far more than peer communities and all based on that goofy inheritance money that is not a stable revenue stream. Voodoo economics at best.

The state takeover should be fun.

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41NoBS(2757 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

SAP-pollo showed his lack of brains by blathering:
"That accident happened Thursday night, not tonight!!!"

No, sorry. The accident we're talking about was in fact Friday afternoon. The fact that you don't know what you're talking about has never shut you up before - no reason to expect it now.

Oh, and please tell me which "ambulance services" duplicate the Jaws of Life the fire trucks carry.

Do you always think this clearly?

First of all, even your favorite scandal-sheet, published by Leicht's buddy, admits that Leicht has now "discovered" some of the money he tucked away out of the general fund before the state came in and auditted ONLY THE GENERAL FUND. Boardman's going to finish the year anywhere between 700K and 1 Million in the black (still can't get solid numbers out of Leicht). I hope this does not disappoint you too much. "State takeover"?? Hah!

Go back to your conspiracy theories.

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42apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

How much they borrowing to finance the first half of 2010 there ALLBS? The state will be taking over sometime in 2010 so don't worry, life long trough feeder extraordinaire.

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43apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Yeah, they need the jaws what once every decade? Maybe we should have a helicopter and plane for those once in a lifetime accidents? So we should pay wages and benefits way beyond reason for average public employees? How idiotic you and your minions are. 2010 should be a fun year! Nobody to blame this year, since all of the trustees are now owned by the cabal. Good luck Boardman residents and prepare for the scare machine to start if it hasn't already. Levy will be on soon so that these township workers can make 50,000 more than peer communities. Darnell will be printing each and every police call to make Boardman seem like New Orleans. Bankrupt Boardman we should change the name to.

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44candystriper(575 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Boardman Sidewalk Use Tax... toll will be collected each time you use a sidewalk.

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45ubotherme(53 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

That idiot must be referring to the crash Thursday night at the other end of 224 where 2 deer caused 2 crashes involving five cars and injuring at least two people.

He says he drove thru the carnage....ya...he was one of the rubber-neckers who couldn't resist driving thru a major accident scene causing that much more danger for all those involved.

While no helicopter or jaws was needed, it was a major incident.

He cannot get over the fact that since 1995, he hasn't been taxed (until most recently) for his safety services.

The world does NOT revolve around him....contrary to what his mother tells him.

Am I right, Norman????

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46boardmantimmy(5 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

You guys are all blowhards. Lackies that lack backbone except when it comes to posting comments anonomously. Where are your tough words at any of the meetings? I live in the most desirable development in Boardman. It is filled with Boardman cops and firemen. They seem to live better than public servants should. Wages are rediculous. That's where we need to start cutting. If they don't like it, LEAVE! Their skills are not irreplaceable.

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47apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Timmy, you are right. All these township blowhard employees manning up anonymously and yet they know who I am. Nothing like the employees making me the taxpayer mad is it? That's not too bright actually. They are ALL overpaid thanks to past regimes who passed out the inheritance money like candy at Halloween. Everything I've said is either true or came true. Remember when all the BPD posters here said I was wrong about the substation and how important it was and that perfect location? So now that it is closed, who was right? Well, it didn't take a genius to see through that taxpayer giveaway to Davis to get Costello reelected by making the North siders happy.

Then they want to make such idiotic claims that my taxes haven't gone up since 1995. LOL. How stupid is that statement. My property taxes have doubled since I moved in here. I talk to people all the time who are so fed up with the wages and benefits that the townships employees make in comparison to the average wage and benefits of the taxpayers footing the bills for these overpaid and under worked blowhards. A friend of mine can't afford his $3500 a year property taxes anymore. He's working to pay taxes so that the public trough can be deep and wide.

Timmy hit the nail on the head. These people think they are irreplaceable. Find another cushy no fires and little crime town and see if they'll pay you over $100,000 to patrol the streets for the once a month serious accident or the twice yearly fire. There would be thousands lined up to replace them at half the price and we'd get better employees. People who would be thankful for such easy jobs paying exorbitant wages and benefits.

Then to have ex cops telling me I should stand in front of the next big fire truck going on its daily fender bender run. What a classy guy he is.

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48NoBS(2757 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Gotta love people who yap about anonymous posts while posting anonymously.

Hey, you don't suppose any of those police or fire people who live in that "most desirable" neighborhood have part-time jobs to augment their income, do you?

And Crapollo, your conspiracy theories crack me up!

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49ubotherme(53 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

you like to pass judgement on those who will be there at the drop of a hat to save your sorry arse. you're a pathetic piece of apollo.

your statements get more and more bizarre. pretty soon, you'll be so far out of whack that you'll start makin sense--just keep babbling your nonsense.

I do wish I could have seen the posts you made before they were removed.

Finally, I prefer to maintain my anonymity because I DO speak out at meetings, I DO have a vested interest in what happens in Boardman, and I WILL continue to speak my mind. Those who know who I am, know I speak the truth here and I have the best interest of the entire community at heart.

I try to remain anonymous because I want YOU to hear / read my comments at face value, with no preconceived notions/prejudices.

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50NoBS(2757 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

ubotherme, little boy Billy evidently feels he's allowed to use disrespectful names, but when I use them back at him he whines and wants the posts removed. The last one, I was just observing how the moron sees conspiracies under every bush. Now he's got delusions that all three trustees, and Leicht, are being controlled by "puppetmaster" Clarence Smith. "The Cabal" he calls it. Smith was probably responsible for 9-11, too, in Billy-Boy's eyes.

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51apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Well, ALLBS, if you'd quit using swear words that break the TOS, then perhaps your drivel would survive. Call me names all you want, I'm used to it and couldn't care less coming from trough feeders extraordinaire. But do not use profanity or goofy childish forms of it.

So I'm delusional and a conspiracy theorist? Hmmm, one only needs to look at who provided the money to get Costello, Moliterno, and Calhoun elected to see that cabal claim to be true. Who sent out the letter days before the election pleading the citizens to vote for his boy Costello. That's right, Sonny himself!

As with everything else I've claimed, in the end it is proven true!

Substations, clearance, 2 men per truck, ridiculous salaries and benefits, vacation days, bogus IT ads, CALEA cost, free ambulance startups, what a comedy of errors and ineptitude.

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52apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Hey is Jason Loree getting any more quotes for the VMWARE servers? I heard not. Are they just going to spend 80K without seeing if that's a bit high? Maybe Jack just wants DRS to get the contract? Watch out taxpayers, I smell another rip off!

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53NoBS(2757 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

SAPollo, if you know there's wrongdoing, and you do nothing about it, you're as guilty as they are. You're an accessory to the "crime." So either go to the Ohio Ethics Commission or somebody, or else stop running your cake-hole. Put up or shut up, in other words.

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54apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

I have been putting up ALLBS so don't make ASSUMPTIONS which you usually do. You know what happens when you assume!

As for cake holes, you don't have any problem with the lies you post Mr. trougher extraordinaire.

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55apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Looks like we've already been scammed taxpayers. Call an emergency meeting, make sure a certain trustee won't be there, and then pass the DRS 78K VMWARE contract for IT services as an emergency measure without getting bids. This smells pretty bad.

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56NoBS(2757 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

OOooo - more conspiracy theories! LOL Klueless Kathy wasn't at the meeting, so the Evil Empire must have conspired against her! It wasn't that she had a schedule conflict and couldn't make it, or that she CHOSE not to go, or forgot about it, or anything else. No, it was The Cabal.

And like she'd know VMWare from Fusion or anything else anyway!

And listen, Billy-Boy, making half-baked (and not even half-true) accusations from the safety of your mom's basement is NOT "putting up." Not even close. For all your incessant noise, you haven't EVER stood up at a public trustees meeting and said one thing! You're afraid to run for trustee - I actually cracked up when it was suggested that you run. I knew better. Heck, you're afraid to meet with one woman, whom you have no problem slandering on here.

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57apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Who would that one woman be ALLBS? Are you referring to the Mrs Perfect Patterson who didn't like that her husbands follies were outed? And she wanted to bring enforcements. All of my claims are 100% true and you know it. But, you don't like the trough feeders like yourself being exposed for what you are, uneducated, overpaid and under worked dimwits. Miller's son just happens to be a former IT worker and knows more about IT than the 3 new trustees and the Administrator combined.

Enjoy the state run welfare township. Welfare for the nearly unemployable. You and Tug make a perfect pair. He can keep harping on those curb cuts and you can keep trying to downplay my knowledge and impact.

Trough feeder extraordinaire ALLBS. Anonymously of course!

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58boardmanneedschange(364 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Your impact? you are posting on a message board you moron. Impact would be running for office, but you have already stated that you are too afraid of the big bad propaganda machine to run. You are a joke and most of the readers and posters on here are laughing at you. What a punchline you are. I'm out.

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59apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Running for office so I can be the 1 versus the 2 trustees like Miller was? It takes money to run and I doubt Sonny would sponsor me nor would I want him to. Then you are owned by him. I can do much more here, informing the public, exposing the salaries and benefits. I can do it cheaply and over a wider area than just being trustee in front of the same couple of dozen idiots who show at the township meetings. How much impact did the crazy North sider have? Yet, I get responses here all the time from the unemployable troughers!!! You can claim I impact nothing, but that's not the truth!

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60apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

I ran for office before and saw how corrupt the process was. Remember Vicky Sherlock? The 405 committee people were told who to vote for (Sherlock and Debbie Taylor) by the Hanni and Morley groups. Sherlock won and we all know hoe inept and corrupt she was!

How many offices have you run for?

Regardless, getting into office isn't necessarily the most impact you can make. The internet is becoming the most important forum. Just ask all the newspapers who have gone under and those who have a massive internet footprint.

YOU, ALLBS, have an agenda. Being a public trougher, you want to keep that trough flowing wide and free.

I have no agenda. I'm not looking to suck from the government teet.

Talking at the meetings is meaningless as the crazy one found out.

I don't have to be politically correct here since I'm not looking to get reelected. As a non public person, I can't be attacked mercilessly like Miller was by the Spews with lies and innuendo.

You and your brethren feel the need to remain anonymous here. Hardly the manliness you claim I don't have.

As Gary Rosati found out you can't get elected spending
$1500 and I'm not willing to sell my soul to the cabal to then be beholden to them. Here, I have the freedom to speak the 100% unadulterated truth!!!

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61boardmanneedschange(364 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

What a crock, the only people who respond to you are the ones who are on here being amused by making fun of your crazazy posts. I for one come to vindy.com to see how much more looney you get every day. ---You are the voice of a generation apollo, and you should continue in your quest to bring honor and justice to the township of boardman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!--- What kind of a comic book world do you live in? This is my very last post on this website, I think its best to stay away for a while due to the fact that I don't want to end up in a tiny looneybird virtual comic book world like you. Enjoy your lunacy, and when you are willing to actually change things instead of type about changing things, I'll see you in the ACTUAL world. Crazazy

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62NoBS(2757 comments)posted 6 years, 7 months ago

Oh, this guy is too much!! Now he claims he did run for office, but he won't say when or where. And, big surprise - there was a conspiracy there, too, to select who won the election!

SAPollo, you most certainly do have an agenda - you get on your soapbox and read down that magical list you have - cars for tots (whatever the heck THAT means), 2 men in a truck (again, nobody knows what this refers to), and all your other nonsense.

Also, please stop your revisionist nonsense - Mrs Patterson, after pages of harassment and attacks from you on her and her family, offered to meet with you, one-on-one, at a place of your choosing, to settle your differences like adults. You did name a place, in Canfield. Then you reneged, claiming that you were afraid the "union thugs" (your words) would beat you up. An OSP trooper offered to be there to deter any violence. You still chickened out. THAT's what happened.

Rosati placed as poorly as he did because he had no answers to anything. But he did get almost as many votes as an 8-year incumbent. What's that tell us?

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