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Ten area teams remain in OHSAA playoffs
Ten area teams remain in the OHSAA playoffs, with eight playing on Friday night and two on Saturday.
Here are the pairings.
Division II, Region 5
Canfield (10-1) vs. Mentor Lake Catholic (10-1), Friday 7:30 at Tiger Stadium, Twinsburg
Howland (10-1) vs. Ashland (10-1), Friday 7:30 at Lowell Klinefelter Field, Canton Central Catholic
Division III, Region 9
Cardinal Mooney (11-0) vs. Hubbard (10-1), Friday 7:30 at Mollenkopf Stadium, Warren
Poland (9-2) vs. Akron Hoban (8-3), Friday 7:30 at Uniontown Lake Blue Streak Stadium
Division III, Region 11
Salem (9-2) vs. Steubenville (10-1), Friday 7:30 at New Philadelphia Woody Hayes Stadium
Division IV, Region 13
Lakeview (8-3) vs. Chagrin Falls (11-0), Saturday 7:00 at Aurora Veterans Stadium
Girard (11-0) vs. Penninsula Woodridge (9-2), Saturday 7:00 at Uniontown Lake Blue Streak Stadium
Division V, Region 17
Crestview (11-0) vs. Ursuline (7-3), Friday 7:30 at Austintown Fitch
Drep (40 comments)posted 7 days, 13 hours agoWriting to them would be a start, having petitions signed could help a bit more. Expecting them to to react to or even read the comments of two posters on the Vindy site probably won't get too much going.
pit_bull_marley (146 comments)posted 5 days, 9 hours ago Why do you people hate these private schools so much. Did they set up the system? Or do they play in the div they are told to? And besides, they are local teams playing in a playoff system designed by others. Grow up and get a life already. Go Ursuline!
And I will root for all the valley communities and the KIDS.
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best of luck to Crestview since you are truly a Div. V school!!!!
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Division I schools range from 524 boys to nearly 1,250. 365 to 523 in Division II, 257 to 364 in Division III, 187 to 256 in Division IV, 131 to 186 in Division V and 130 and under in Division VI.
Crestview-133 Ursuline-173 both appear to fall in the Div V numbers to me. Missed the "true Div. V" definition. Figure it out and let the OHSAA know so they can establish another playoff bracket determined by whichever rules you want to put in place.
Good luck to the entire slate of Valley teams this week, great to see the region represented so well.
Half or more will fall next round, I believe. The valley conferences are weak & now they play tough teams next.
Enough of the Ursuline being in Division 5. If you don't like it, write your congressman or state senator and whine to them that the parochial schools are recruiting and deserve to have their own state championship playoffs. SHEESH!!! It's not going to change anytime soon people!!
Good luck to the remaining valley teams this week. Think there will be 5 left standing after this week. Just a feeling.
GO INDIANS!!!
GO IRISH!!!
Valley conferences are weak? 2 teams have a legitimate shot at a state championship and 5 other teams have a good chance to win this round. Considering two of the games (unfortunately) are valley match-ups, 7 out of ten is not bad.
Does anyone on here actually think Crestview has a legitimate shot against Ursuline? If Crestview can run the ball and keep Ursuline's offense off the field, they have a shot, but if Ursuline controls the clock and field position, it will be a long night for the Rebels.
Just ask Cincinatti Moeller and Louisville about heavily favored teams. That's why they play the games! I agree that Ursuline is the favorite in this game, but stranger things have happened. Good luck to all valley teams; I pull for all of them once the playoffs start, public or parochial.
steelerman09 thats the recipe for any team to win
woolyd, that's not always the recipe for any team to win. For example, this weeks Giants/Chargers game...The Giants had the ball 13 more minutes than the Chargers did and lost. In the High School playoffs, Cleveland Glenville had the ball 10 minutes less than North Royalton and scored 41pts in their victory. Controlling the clock and good field position isn't ALWAYS the recipe for a win. Cleveland St. Ignatius, the top team in Ohio and a nationally ranked team averages 6 less minutes of possession time than their opponents, too. It would be a good recipe for Crestview to have this weekend, though.
STEELERMAN09 what im saying is that most teams want to control the clock and run the ball and thats the recipe. you are right about certain teams though. Glenville is lightning quick and they dont need to have the ball maany times because they are a threat any time they touch the ball. St. Ignatius although not as quick as Glenville run their offense to perfection and should have lost to Massillon.
DUBFUN: I dont know if you consider the viewing areas Pennsylvania teams local but there are 2 there that are legitimate state champion contenders Wilimington, defending AA State Champs and Farrell. if you dont believe me go to myvalleysports.com and look at their offense and defensive stats
Using male enrollment to determine divisions is a fools game.
For instance, lets say Ursuline has 173 males in the school. (D-V 125-176) There are 75 players on the roster, many whom were attracted to Ursuline using various means and were the best players at their other schools. Their premier players tend to come from other schools that aren't traditionally parochial feeder schools. So approximately 43.3% of the boys at Ursuline are football players and many somehow find their way there from school systems that usually don't feed the parochial system. Mooney and Ursuline basically can harvest players from populations approaching 200 thousand.
Here's an interesting comparison. Crestview has 47 football players and Ursuline has 75. Ursuline basically gets its players from Youngstown, Austintown, Girard, and some other communities with a total population near 200 thousand.
Crestview gets it players from a population not even close to 10% of the population Ursuline and Mooney get theirs.
Anyone who really thinks this system is fair is either a parochial supporter or an Ostrich.
Ursuline can basically name the score this week. They'll be up by so much at halftime, they'll even have the opportunity to provide playoff experience for the young players. What a sweet system it is for them. I wish OSU could play in the big 10 during the regular season and then play in YSU's division come playoff time. They'd win that division nearly every year.
The size comparison is yet another interesting fact. There is a huge weight difference between Ursuline players and Crestview players.
Anytime your pool of prospective players is so vastly different, the school with the larger pool has a distinct and unfair advantage.
The OHSAA needs to fix this.
Maybe you should report some of these "various means" to OHSAA or the OH Congress since they are clearly such true allegations. Maybe if you put together a nice powerpoint presentation they will listen to you and make a change.
Im pretty sure Crestview doesn't care how many players Ursuline has suited up. They are going to play regardless.
I dont think Steubenville or Coldwater over the past couple years have cared about the size of a football team. Coldwater was considerably smaller and they won.
Regardless of the size of the team only 11 can play... last time I checked 75 cannot play at once unless somehow these private schools have that "advantage" also.
woolyd: I was just considering our local teams in the Ohio playoffs. I know that Farrell has a storied tradition and Wilmington just seems to get it done every year. My Dad used to tell me about some of the battles with some of our local teams (in basketball also)! Too bad that doesn't happen more often. I watch the highlight shows and always check to see how Wilmington is doing. They must be fun to watch play!
Does anybody know if any other states have a system for putting private/parochial schools in larger divisions? I don't know if it's still true, but I think at one time Pennsylvania schools (WPIAL anyway) could elect to play in a larger divisions playoffs. I guess it was for the prestige of winning in a larger division. Just wondered.
The typical responses from the parochials that are completely crazy.
Ursuline is now officially an athletes only school. Most of the boys there are athletes in some sport. The testosterone there must be almost unbearable. No wonder their band is nearly nonexistent. Crestview will show up alright. They'll also be embarrassed and wonder why Ursuline isn't in the proper division after the game. Wonder why they even bother to show up. Wonder why they play football with the expectations of fairness and the possibility of winning anything past their league title. Wonder why the SVC broke up and why other public schools refuse to play the parochials during the regular season and why they are forced to during the playoffs. It's a sham. Those state titles are tainted and laughable. Kids must also wonder why an organization that sells morality is so immoral.
There are only two other states that have separate private and non-private championships, New Jersey and Mississippi. The other states are the same as Ohio and it doesn't seem like everyone in the country is crying about it. It's not going to change anytime soon. I'm sure Mooney1993 has the same arguement with people every single year now. It gets old and it's not going to change. As TheY said earlier, maybe Mooney1993 should put together some kind of presentation with costs and pros and cons of putting the non-private schools separate from the private schools. Make sure you include the rest of the high school sports too, so you don't discriminate against the other sports.
ENOUGH ALREADY!!! SHUT UP and let the kids play!!!
GO all valley teams!!!
Actually Mr Florida isn't telling you the complete truth. Many states have different equalizers for the public school versus parochial debate. He might be right about only 2 states having separate playoffs. But there are also many states that bump up the parochial schools into higher divisions with multipliers. Then there are simply the Ohio's and other states that constantly have the public schools complaining, the press reporting about the unfairness, and the parochials loving it. Ask Bob Dyer on the Akron Beacon Journal about the article he wrote on the topic and the threats he received from the parochial supporters.
The rest of the sports are also corrupt and skewed to the benefit of the parochials. Dyer's article addresses all of it.
well put Mooney 1993! i think its a tough pill to swallow for the parochials so they ....deny, deny, deny! It's got to be difficult for them to preach one thing than do another.
I found an interesting thread relating to this on the JJHuddle website. Someone crunched the numbers and, since going to six divisions, private schools have won 38% of the championships. I guess the private schools will have to work a little harder to dominate. Just more fodder for debate.
It's funny that you would argue semantics after posting baseless allegations concerning "various means" being used by private schools to attract students.
Open enrollment allows each district to choose if they want to accept students from the entire state, boundary schools or remain within their district. I suppose that would give all the public schools 11.4 million population area to, as you put it, "harvest" from.
Ursuline has an average ACT score of 24 with 98% of graduates going on to further their education. The picture you paint of a jock dominated campus with barbells in the classroom doesn't quite fit the facts.
TheYo pointed out Steubenville & Coldwater as two fine examples of public powerhouses. Steubenville has a parochial school in its backyard and they've managed to be the dominant program in their region for decades. Girard was 9-1 last year and so far undefeated this year and this is one of the communities you list as a primary athlete donor to UHS. Seem to be doing pretty well, amazing they even have St. Rose boys playing for Girad and I don't hear anyone making silly ownership claims over them.
The Dayton Daily News is taking a poll and almost 2/3's of the respondents say the state of Ohio should go to 2 playoffs, one for public and one for parochial. If you look at states all over the country this same controversy is occurring. Nearly every state has issues with recruiting that is done by the parochials and then the state titles won with that recruited talent. When Mooney and Ursuline take talent away from the Youngstown city schools and the suburban schools not only do they benefit, but the schools they are recruiting from lose out. Canfield, Poland, Austintown, Boardman, Girard, Campbell, and YCS are victims while Mooney and Ursuline then not only get the premier players but get to overrun those small schools like Crestview. The OHSAA should be ashamed.
Then to deny and hide behind those are the rules thinking is immoral. If it was reversed, I'll bet the God squad would be hollering.
Would there then be an overall championship played between the public and private champs for bragging rights? Seems like a logical step everybody in Ohio would want to see and would make for some thrilling football. It would also mean more cash for the OHSAA and more controversy. I don't think they would ever be kept completely separate.
doesn't seem to be anything to cry about
Regional semifinals
remaining teams
private 16 public 80
DI
3 13
DII
3 13
DIII
4 12
DIV
1 15
DV
3 13
DVI
2 14
http://www.jjhuddle.com/news/articles/20...
Drep...It would be interesting to see your calculations on Sunday morning.
I don't understand what Drep is claiming with numbers that are meaningless? The problem isn't the number of parochials who make the playoffs, it's the number who are playing out of division and dominate that division. As the playoffs progress, parochials advance and publics get pummeled. When the playoffs begin, the parochials make up the correct percentage of teams that they make up statewide. Approximately 10%. Then as each round takes place and the parochials out of division beat senseless the Crestviews, the numbers get more obvious. Even in the second round as Drep shows the parochials already make up 20% of those remaining. The third round will be 30%, the fourth 40%, and the last round nearly 50%. So schools that make up 10% of the schools statewide will make up half the state finalist. If that doesn't indicate the unfairness, I don't know what does.
No, you shouldn't then have a playoff between the publics and the parochials. If Crestview won the D-V public title, would you really want to see them play Ursuline in a D-V ultimate title game? Ursuline and Mooney are no more D-V and D-III than the Browns are super bowl contenders.
Drep...you can list those stats now to try to disguise the problem, what are the ratios of public to parochial OVERALL in each division???? not just what teams made the playoffs, that would show the dominance. No way around the fact that it's unfair! Best of luck to Crestview, the general public will be rooting for you!!!!
I still don't see this "dominance" everyone is referring to... year in and year out its about 50/50 private vs. public in the championships. And last week we saw "dominance" by both public and private. Maybe those publics that dominate the playoffs should move up a division also. I mean Poland and Girard both "dominated" their private school opponents... there is surely some unfairness there maybe OHSAA should look into those schools for violations because surely there cannot be blowouts in the playoffs!
OMG you don't see the parochials winning 50% of the titles with 10% of the schools dominance? Or St Ignatius winning 10 state titles out of 35 in D-I? Or Mooney being in the finals 3 consecutive years winning 2? Can you really with a straight face convince yourself that parochials making up nearly 50% of the state finalist every year in every sport with only 10% of the total schools as not being dominant?
College teams that we consider dominant don't win national titles at that percentage.
D-Dog, what problem am I disguising? You seem to speak the same coded language as Mooney1993 when he seemingly suggests witchcraft is used to lure athletes to Ursuline. He throws his stats out and he's defending his position and I give some numbers and I'm trying to disguise something? Explain to me the specifics of what's being done that's unethical.
DUBFUN Philadelphia teams used to play in their own leagues but recebtly joined the rest of Pennsylvania in the PIAA. Farrell plays AAA which is the second highest classification in the state but they only do that in basketball. Other teams play up across the state but its not many and there are no parochial/public school rules. It all comes down to the enrollment but i will say this and its not to pick on Mooney or Ursuline but no Pa. teams in those class ranges have anywhere near the amount of players those schools have. Most schools with that nrollment have 25-50 players max
yeah woolyd...most schools with that enrollment have 25-50 players max supports the fact I'm arguing. UHS with thier enrollment, has 75 fb players! You should see the mooney/ursuline bands, not equivalent!
Drep....the ratio= if there are 3 parochials and 13 publics in DIV 1 playoffs...how many total Div1 parochials schools in all compared to how many public schools in all? sorry my language is "coded" to you! Ignorance is bliss!!!! Turn a blind eye and all is OK, ey? "witchcraft" used? call it what you want, its BS!!!! Talk to some of the kids that are promised the world if they go to UHS/CMHS then tell me what you call it! I don't EVER expect parochials to admit it, just quit trying to justify it...parents of parochial players have admitted it openly,....its UNFAIR! But you know what "OUR public school kids" are gaining an experience that will prepare them for the real world...things aren't always fair....can't say the same for the parochials,..if you don't like the odds....change them! ???
DEVILDOG I saw the Mooney band when they played Harding and they had i think 3 boys in the band. Football team was as big as Warren Hardings, similar in numbers to Cleveland St. Ignatius, and East Cleveland Shaw which I also seen play this year.
Odd that no one ever throws JFK in these arguments shouldn't Howland and WGH be forced to give up athletes to them? Someone call the Pope. On that note and probably the same in Steubenville it's simple, build a good program and that's where the kids will want to continue their development. Someone forgot to tell Poland and Canfield they're not supposed to succeed because as you guys claim their best talent surely must be at Mooney but as true socialists you'll probably just claim their should also be another playoff system altogether for districts that have too high of a per capita income. And let's go down the road a bit to Girard which exists in Ursuline's traditional backyard or harvesting field as you guys call it. This community is not flush with cash yet still manages to coexist quite well with Ursuline while having an excellent football program.
D-Dog Perhaps I should've have said vague rather than coded. And there you go again with the turn a blind eye comment. I hear generalized assumptions all the time but never any specific examples. I don't know of anyone who was promised anything other than a chance to succeed (off the field more specifically) in an environment that is hard to find in the public schools. I know many who have done well through these programs and used them as stepping stones towards higher education.
Were you asking a question or making a statement about the odds and changing them? (the ! followed by a ??? confused me again, sorry for my ignorance) I'd say let your state politicians know your feelings and if change is needed it'll probably happen. You're a Marine and you understand better than most that steel sharpens steel and you're only as good as you challenge yourself to be. I just think it's a shame to want to deny that excellence that is achieved on and off the field.
Ahhh, now Drep is dipping into the false claim that Mooney and Ursuline offer kids more options and the holy grail of success. Therefore, kids are wanting to transfer to those bastions of morality. Well, bastions anyway. Yet, the education at the good publics is actually better than the education at Ursuline and Mooney. Drep wants proof and not just witchcraft spells. The Penn State QB come to mind? Grades weren't quite up to par and had to go to a preparatory school before PSU could take him. How about the Ursuline lineman that had to go to a JUCO school. Maybe the Mooney grad that went to Michigan first? A tight end from Ursuline that went to OSU. Quite a checkered history. See that's the problem. When you sell out to the football Gods and take kids from the inner city, the educational ratings take it on the chin.
Enrollment at the parochials is in free fall in Ohio. In order to stem the tide, they've decided to sell out for athletics. They promise a top notch education and athletic exposure and more scholarship offers than the public schools. All myths. Kids from the public schools get better academics and just as much athletic exposure. The only thing they're unlikely to get that the parochials can offer is title rings playing against inferior playoff competition. Even during the regular season they play mostly other parochial schools.
So let them make their bogus claims and let the God squad sell morality but sell their souls to the football devil for second rate titles.
I like the Marine and excellence reference. However, beating teams like Crestview is hardly playing steel versus steel. Try playing St Ignatius, Glenville, St Xavier, Solon, Hoover, McKinley, Glen Oak, week after week, not just once a year. Excellence requires more than just hot air. It requires morality and honesty, something definitely missing there.
wow! you got it Mooney 1993!
You think the athletes you mentioned gained nothing from their time at UHS and CMHS? You think they would be where they are without their experiences? I don't know them personally so I can't speak on their personal experiences but I can say that a child left to raise themselves in the public schools isn't going to find the same concern from the faculty. I never made the argument that the quality of education received at at the "good publics" was worse, I'm just saying it's a much better option than the "bad publics" and it's more than just what's in the books. You can't honestly tell me you believe Chaney would provide a safer environment and better academics for your child than Ursuline today.
Enrollment in Ohio is in freefall period, it's been going on for quite some time. Remember Wilson, Rayen, South etc... Closed publics, while Ursuline's enrollment continues to decline even though they win state titles. I'm fairly certain the Diocese will be forced to make an economic decision at some point and UHS/CMHS will either become one or one of the schools will move to match the trends of the population. I can't speak on how it was prior to this because I graduated HS after the city fell apart.
It seems your solution would be to only allow some magical percentage to be involved with athletics at each school. The whole division complaint is just maddening, Ursuline plays up all year, not one Division V game and they're DV because of OHSAA rules not the Bishop's. Acoording to you Ursuline did play mostly teams that truly are DIs so what's the argument? 7 out of 9 in the regular season were Catholic schools which are automatically DIs by your own private school standards. The other two were Buchtel and Bedford. I believe Mooney played 8 parochials and 1 DI Warren Harding and another DI Boardman so they played all DIs by your standards as well. Remember Ursuline and Mooney were good with playing Boardman, Fitch and Warren Harding every year as it was even when Warren Harding was ranked #1 in the nation. Like I said the kids that want to play are going to go where they have the best chance to develop. Lets not pretend Clarett lived in Warren when he was there or in Austintown the year before that, he went to the best program in the area at the time. Now you have OE so it doesn't make a difference, build a program and kids will come play and develop. I have several friends who earned their way through college playing ball and would've had virtually no chance were it not for Ursuline. I know it was probably different in the burbs and I don't knock you guys for that because it wasn't do or die at 15, these guys are just trying to get where you've been your whole life and they're getting there the surest way they can.
Those athletes got very little from attending Mooney and Ursuline as compared to attending a public school. Yes, they would be in the same position graduating from Chaney as from Ursuline. Maybe a little exposure to religion and that's it. They didn't get more athletic exposure. They didn't get a better education. They DID get used to playing lesser competition which might hurt them down the road in college. Speaking of competition, I never claimed all parochial schools are D-I, they aren't. You made that assumption in order to make Mooney and Ursuline's schedules appear to be tough which is not the case. How many D-I playoff teams did Mooney and Ursuline play? Both played a rather soft regular season schedule and will play an even softer schedule in the playoffs.
You make another false assumption. Kids go where they are going to have the best chance to develop? If that were the case and the parochials were a better place to develop, then how come all the valley's NFL players are NOT from the parochial schools? You would think that with all the developing going on at Mooney and Ursuline, they'd have dozens of players at the NFL level. The truth is, kids develop just as well at the public schools as they do at parochial schools. The ONLY thing the parochial schools offer and use to their recruiting benefit is the lower division state titles that they can offer. That's why they like the current setup. If the state put them where they belonged, those state titles would disappear and the recruiting tool would be gone.
Using Clarett as an example of anything is not very bright. There is little doubt he was recruited to Warren with the lure of D-I titles. Using he and a few others who magically transferred to some public schools as justification for the same activities occurring at the parochials is absurd!
Does building a program mean "hey come here, we can offer a lower division state title", a little religion, and some myths about education and development, but that's about all? Nothing like the immoral trying to justify their immorality. It's very degrading.
The bottom line is this....everyone is arguing parochial vs. public schools...This just in...Things aren't going to change anytime soon, so why argue back in forth about who can give more percentages, statistics, and whatever else you are doing to back up your side of the battle. I am rooting for ALL the valley teams, parochial or public. If a team from Youngstown wins the State Championship, then that is all that really matters. I just want our valley teams to dominate the rest of the state teams. That is it.
This is ridiculous, grown people arguing over high school football. Why not just support the local teams. All these kids want to do is play football. I will have you know that Cardinal Mooney is about more than just football. They have great academics which prepares one for college. I am a proud 1984 graduate of Mooney. I will always root for Mooney and support the Cardinals. If they are not in a playoff, then I will always support a local valley team.
It's the principle of the thing, its just very unfair to alot of other kids, its not all about Mooney/Ursuline, sometimes you have to put yourself in another's shoes to see it.
Devildog has it right. It is unfair to the likes of Crestview who are totally out of their league playing a team like Ursuline who should be D-II at least. Crestview will get crushed. It's like Ohio State playing Hiram. Ursuline will take it easy on them no doubt so as to not raise any red flags. Probably 30-0 by halftime so the freshman and sophomores for Ursuline should be able to get some decent playoff experience. Devildog is correct, it is about principles. Problem is, the parochials don't have any! I will root for the local teams. Crestview, Hubbard, and Canfield to beat the cheater schools. The academics at all schools are good. It's the kids that aren't always up to par. If a kid wants to succeed academically, he can do that anywhere. The parochials have sold their souls to the football and athletic Gods to keep themselves relevant.
amen Mooney1993 if a kid wants to learn he can do it anywhere. Mooney and Ursuline should just move up to Division 1 and then nobody would comlain. Or they could just dress the same amount of players as their opponent on a week by week basis. Line up there 35-40 best versus the other teams 35-40. or a set amount at each position comparable to their opponents. Souther Columbia a eastern Pa power for many years played Class A ball with a roster of 75 or more players a year made it to the state title game every year but once from 1995-2006. Come to find out they were not only using players from their school but from the counties vocational schools. This was found out after they beat West Middlesex in 2006. The only lost 3 state championship games and they were twice to Farrell and once to Rochester. The state of Pa no longer allowed them to use players from the vocational school and now their numbers are comparable to Class A schools and they havent made it to state since.
WAHHH...wahhhh...wahhhh...
ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!
Support your local teams even if you don't agree with the current playoff system. That's what I say.
Mooney1993 when I said kids will go where they have the best chance to develop I didn't say that was limited to a parochial school, now you're being a little too creative with what I said. My point was that it has nothing to do with parochial or public, kids will go where they have the best chance to develop. <---see the period? In my years more Harding players went on to the NFL than anywhere and I know in years past Chaney provided more than their fair share. Regardless, this wasn't my argument but since you brought up the NFL this is further proof that things aren't as unbalanced as you say. All I said build a program if that's what you want, I didn't say that was limited to private schools. There's quite a few great publics playing this weekend that are well established. My favorite in the area that's redeveloping right now is Campbell as that staff is just amazing, rebuilt Hubbard and now they're doing it where they were called crazy for going in to begin with.
""""""""""""Does building a program mean "hey come here, we can offer a lower division state title", a little religion, and some myths about education and development, but that's about all? Nothing like the immoral trying to justify their immorality. It's very degrading."""""""""""
So you're saying that being a smaller school is degrading? I don't get it. Coldwater could be competitive in DII & DI as well and they're a public system that has won as a larger school in the past.
Regarding the education they receive there I'm just saying you have a more conducive learning environment where they actually make it a part of the school program. Some schools simply cannot provide the general comfort of avoidance of youth violence that will impede your ability to focus. Other schools do very well if not better but options are always good. If you're in the sticks or the burbs you probably have a great public option but it's amazing how much more you can appreciate UHS/CMHS when you witness the violence at your local public school.
You stated parochials should have some sort of x factor. If this was the case all of the parochials Ursuline played would still be ranked higher as it were. So if Ursuline should be a DII as you claim than St Thomas Aquinas Should be a DI and I don't know where that puts Mooney or Mentor Lake.
ok im just not getting this i dont agree to the schools that recuit playing schools that dont but tonight well im not a crestveiw fan i think this year they got or some would say they bought the refs its seemed that way i followed them i just want to see them get there ass kick tonight and i think they will and are as of right now they arent that good play the clock or not big or not i just think there are enogh refs out there call the games right and far and everone will be happy sometime i think refs should have to pay for throwing a game to think crestveiw really thinsk they have a chance please
Well, as usual, the cheater schools who are out of their proper divisions, dismantled the schools that play fair. Mooney crushed Hubbard (55-0) and Ursuline crushed poor Crestview. (48-7) The OHSAA should be ashamed of this and so should the Catholic church. Two organizations whose purpose is morality and to level the playing field and they turn a blind eye to this. Shameful. What a farce. Mooney should be playing St Ignatius not Hubbard! Do you feel proud Cardinal and Irish fans beating up schools from the rural areas with populations of 5000?
Watching Rob Todor on WFMJ tonight and they're doing analysis of those two games and Todor had the audacity to claim that Crestview and Hubbard had a chance! I almost laughed so hard my drink passed through my nose. Is Todor too afraid to tell the truth?
hey Drepp....no violence in parochial schools??? are you kidding me??? oh, thats right the mooney kids take it to the streets, not in school. they just bust in people's front doors in an upscale canfield neighborhood and beat the crap out of a kid and his father!!! too bad with all that superior education they couldn't figure out that a house like that would have camera's recording their every move. wow!
Funny, out of the 10 local teams in the playoffs, only 3 survived! Poland squeaked by and the 2 parochials pummeled their public counterparts. What a disgrace the 2 parochials are. Beating up teams that actually want to believe that the playoff structure is fair. Everyone from Hubbard and Crestview says the politically correct thing but do they really believe that crap? The OHSAA needs to be sued to fix this scam system that allows the parochials to rip off the talent from multiple counties and still play in divisions far below where the talent would indicate. I haven't even mentioned the schools whose football teams have been decimated by the parochial recruiting, teams like Chaney and East.
Fix this system OHSAA!
What will it take for OHSAA to listen??????