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Ten area teams remain in OHSAA playoffs



Published: Sun, November 8, 2009 @ 3:43 p.m.

Ten area teams remain in the OHSAA playoffs, with eight playing on Friday night and two on Saturday.

Here are the pairings.

Division II, Region 5

Canfield (10-1) vs. Mentor Lake Catholic (10-1), Friday 7:30 at Tiger Stadium, Twinsburg

Howland (10-1) vs. Ashland (10-1), Friday 7:30 at Lowell Klinefelter Field, Canton Central Catholic

Division III, Region 9

Cardinal Mooney (11-0) vs. Hubbard (10-1), Friday 7:30 at Mollenkopf Stadium, Warren

Poland (9-2) vs. Akron Hoban (8-3), Friday 7:30 at Uniontown Lake Blue Streak Stadium

Division III, Region 11

Salem (9-2) vs. Steubenville (10-1), Friday 7:30 at New Philadelphia Woody Hayes Stadium

Division IV, Region 13

Lakeview (8-3) vs. Chagrin Falls (11-0), Saturday 7:00 at Aurora Veterans Stadium

Girard (11-0) vs. Penninsula Woodridge (9-2), Saturday 7:00 at Uniontown Lake Blue Streak Stadium

Division V, Region 17

Crestview (11-0) vs. Ursuline (7-3), Friday 7:30 at Austintown Fitch


Comments

1devildog(96 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

best of luck to Crestview since you are truly a Div. V school!!!!

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2pj(80 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

Half or more will fall next round, I believe. The valley conferences are weak & now they play tough teams next.

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31989GHSgradinFL(19 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

Enough of the Ursuline being in Division 5. If you don't like it, write your congressman or state senator and whine to them that the parochial schools are recruiting and deserve to have their own state championship playoffs. SHEESH!!! It's not going to change anytime soon people!!
Good luck to the remaining valley teams this week. Think there will be 5 left standing after this week. Just a feeling.

GO INDIANS!!!
GO IRISH!!!

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4dubfun(174 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

Valley conferences are weak? 2 teams have a legitimate shot at a state championship and 5 other teams have a good chance to win this round. Considering two of the games (unfortunately) are valley match-ups, 7 out of ten is not bad.

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5steelerman09(111 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

Does anyone on here actually think Crestview has a legitimate shot against Ursuline? If Crestview can run the ball and keep Ursuline's offense off the field, they have a shot, but if Ursuline controls the clock and field position, it will be a long night for the Rebels.

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6dubfun(174 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

Just ask Cincinatti Moeller and Louisville about heavily favored teams. That's why they play the games! I agree that Ursuline is the favorite in this game, but stranger things have happened. Good luck to all valley teams; I pull for all of them once the playoffs start, public or parochial.

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7woolyd(579 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

steelerman09 thats the recipe for any team to win

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8steelerman09(111 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

woolyd, that's not always the recipe for any team to win. For example, this weeks Giants/Chargers game...The Giants had the ball 13 more minutes than the Chargers did and lost. In the High School playoffs, Cleveland Glenville had the ball 10 minutes less than North Royalton and scored 41pts in their victory. Controlling the clock and good field position isn't ALWAYS the recipe for a win. Cleveland St. Ignatius, the top team in Ohio and a nationally ranked team averages 6 less minutes of possession time than their opponents, too. It would be a good recipe for Crestview to have this weekend, though.

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9woolyd(579 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

STEELERMAN09 what im saying is that most teams want to control the clock and run the ball and thats the recipe. you are right about certain teams though. Glenville is lightning quick and they dont need to have the ball maany times because they are a threat any time they touch the ball. St. Ignatius although not as quick as Glenville run their offense to perfection and should have lost to Massillon.
DUBFUN: I dont know if you consider the viewing areas Pennsylvania teams local but there are 2 there that are legitimate state champion contenders Wilimington, defending AA State Champs and Farrell. if you dont believe me go to myvalleysports.com and look at their offense and defensive stats

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10TheYOupNorth(6 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

Maybe you should report some of these "various means" to OHSAA or the OH Congress since they are clearly such true allegations. Maybe if you put together a nice powerpoint presentation they will listen to you and make a change.

Im pretty sure Crestview doesn't care how many players Ursuline has suited up. They are going to play regardless.

I dont think Steubenville or Coldwater over the past couple years have cared about the size of a football team. Coldwater was considerably smaller and they won.

Regardless of the size of the team only 11 can play... last time I checked 75 cannot play at once unless somehow these private schools have that "advantage" also.

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11dubfun(174 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

woolyd: I was just considering our local teams in the Ohio playoffs. I know that Farrell has a storied tradition and Wilmington just seems to get it done every year. My Dad used to tell me about some of the battles with some of our local teams (in basketball also)! Too bad that doesn't happen more often. I watch the highlight shows and always check to see how Wilmington is doing. They must be fun to watch play!

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12dubfun(174 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

Does anybody know if any other states have a system for putting private/parochial schools in larger divisions? I don't know if it's still true, but I think at one time Pennsylvania schools (WPIAL anyway) could elect to play in a larger divisions playoffs. I guess it was for the prestige of winning in a larger division. Just wondered.

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131989GHSgradinFL(19 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

There are only two other states that have separate private and non-private championships, New Jersey and Mississippi. The other states are the same as Ohio and it doesn't seem like everyone in the country is crying about it. It's not going to change anytime soon. I'm sure Mooney1993 has the same arguement with people every single year now. It gets old and it's not going to change. As TheY said earlier, maybe Mooney1993 should put together some kind of presentation with costs and pros and cons of putting the non-private schools separate from the private schools. Make sure you include the rest of the high school sports too, so you don't discriminate against the other sports.

ENOUGH ALREADY!!! SHUT UP and let the kids play!!!

GO all valley teams!!!

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14devildog(96 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

well put Mooney 1993! i think its a tough pill to swallow for the parochials so they ....deny, deny, deny! It's got to be difficult for them to preach one thing than do another.

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15dubfun(174 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

I found an interesting thread relating to this on the JJHuddle website. Someone crunched the numbers and, since going to six divisions, private schools have won 38% of the championships. I guess the private schools will have to work a little harder to dominate. Just more fodder for debate.

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16dubfun(174 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

Would there then be an overall championship played between the public and private champs for bragging rights? Seems like a logical step everybody in Ohio would want to see and would make for some thrilling football. It would also mean more cash for the OHSAA and more controversy. I don't think they would ever be kept completely separate.

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17justthefacts(18 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

Drep...It would be interesting to see your calculations on Sunday morning.

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18devildog(96 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

Drep...you can list those stats now to try to disguise the problem, what are the ratios of public to parochial OVERALL in each division???? not just what teams made the playoffs, that would show the dominance. No way around the fact that it's unfair! Best of luck to Crestview, the general public will be rooting for you!!!!

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19TheYOupNorth(6 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

I still don't see this "dominance" everyone is referring to... year in and year out its about 50/50 private vs. public in the championships. And last week we saw "dominance" by both public and private. Maybe those publics that dominate the playoffs should move up a division also. I mean Poland and Girard both "dominated" their private school opponents... there is surely some unfairness there maybe OHSAA should look into those schools for violations because surely there cannot be blowouts in the playoffs!

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20woolyd(579 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

DUBFUN Philadelphia teams used to play in their own leagues but recebtly joined the rest of Pennsylvania in the PIAA. Farrell plays AAA which is the second highest classification in the state but they only do that in basketball. Other teams play up across the state but its not many and there are no parochial/public school rules. It all comes down to the enrollment but i will say this and its not to pick on Mooney or Ursuline but no Pa. teams in those class ranges have anywhere near the amount of players those schools have. Most schools with that nrollment have 25-50 players max

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21devildog(96 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

yeah woolyd...most schools with that enrollment have 25-50 players max supports the fact I'm arguing. UHS with thier enrollment, has 75 fb players! You should see the mooney/ursuline bands, not equivalent!
Drep....the ratio= if there are 3 parochials and 13 publics in DIV 1 playoffs...how many total Div1 parochials schools in all compared to how many public schools in all? sorry my language is "coded" to you! Ignorance is bliss!!!! Turn a blind eye and all is OK, ey? "witchcraft" used? call it what you want, its BS!!!! Talk to some of the kids that are promised the world if they go to UHS/CMHS then tell me what you call it! I don't EVER expect parochials to admit it, just quit trying to justify it...parents of parochial players have admitted it openly,....its UNFAIR! But you know what "OUR public school kids" are gaining an experience that will prepare them for the real world...things aren't always fair....can't say the same for the parochials,..if you don't like the odds....change them! ???

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22woolyd(579 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

DEVILDOG I saw the Mooney band when they played Harding and they had i think 3 boys in the band. Football team was as big as Warren Hardings, similar in numbers to Cleveland St. Ignatius, and East Cleveland Shaw which I also seen play this year.

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23devildog(96 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

wow! you got it Mooney 1993!

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24steelerman09(111 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

The bottom line is this....everyone is arguing parochial vs. public schools...This just in...Things aren't going to change anytime soon, so why argue back in forth about who can give more percentages, statistics, and whatever else you are doing to back up your side of the battle. I am rooting for ALL the valley teams, parochial or public. If a team from Youngstown wins the State Championship, then that is all that really matters. I just want our valley teams to dominate the rest of the state teams. That is it.

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25terri1984(25 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

This is ridiculous, grown people arguing over high school football. Why not just support the local teams. All these kids want to do is play football. I will have you know that Cardinal Mooney is about more than just football. They have great academics which prepares one for college. I am a proud 1984 graduate of Mooney. I will always root for Mooney and support the Cardinals. If they are not in a playoff, then I will always support a local valley team.

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26devildog(96 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

It's the principle of the thing, its just very unfair to alot of other kids, its not all about Mooney/Ursuline, sometimes you have to put yourself in another's shoes to see it.

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27woolyd(579 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

amen Mooney1993 if a kid wants to learn he can do it anywhere. Mooney and Ursuline should just move up to Division 1 and then nobody would comlain. Or they could just dress the same amount of players as their opponent on a week by week basis. Line up there 35-40 best versus the other teams 35-40. or a set amount at each position comparable to their opponents. Souther Columbia a eastern Pa power for many years played Class A ball with a roster of 75 or more players a year made it to the state title game every year but once from 1995-2006. Come to find out they were not only using players from their school but from the counties vocational schools. This was found out after they beat West Middlesex in 2006. The only lost 3 state championship games and they were twice to Farrell and once to Rochester. The state of Pa no longer allowed them to use players from the vocational school and now their numbers are comparable to Class A schools and they havent made it to state since.

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281989GHSgradinFL(19 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

WAHHH...wahhhh...wahhhh...
ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!

Support your local teams even if you don't agree with the current playoff system. That's what I say.

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29smitty18(6 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

ok im just not getting this i dont agree to the schools that recuit playing schools that dont but tonight well im not a crestveiw fan i think this year they got or some would say they bought the refs its seemed that way i followed them i just want to see them get there ass kick tonight and i think they will and are as of right now they arent that good play the clock or not big or not i just think there are enogh refs out there call the games right and far and everone will be happy sometime i think refs should have to pay for throwing a game to think crestveiw really thinsk they have a chance please

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30devildog(96 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

hey Drepp....no violence in parochial schools??? are you kidding me??? oh, thats right the mooney kids take it to the streets, not in school. they just bust in people's front doors in an upscale canfield neighborhood and beat the crap out of a kid and his father!!! too bad with all that superior education they couldn't figure out that a house like that would have camera's recording their every move. wow!

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31devildog(96 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

What will it take for OHSAA to listen??????

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32pit_bull_marley(291 comments)posted 4 years, 10 months ago

Why do you people hate these private schools so much. Did they set up the system? Or do they play in the div they are told to? And besides, they are local teams playing in a playoff system designed by others. Grow up and get a life already. Go Ursuline!

And I will root for all the valley communities and the KIDS.

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