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Two incumbent trustees voted out in Boardman

Published: Wed, November 4, 2009 @ 7:15 a.m.

Unofficial final results from the Mahoning County Board of Elections show incumbent trustees Robyn Gallitto and Kathy Miller have been soundly defeated by Brad Calhoun and Thomas Costello.

Boardman Township Trustees


ED AEY . . . . . . . . . . . 3,685 15.20 percent

BRAD CALHOUN . . . . . . . . . 6,532 26.94

THOMAS P. COSTELLO . . . . . . . 5,675 23.41

ROBYN GALLITTO. . . . . . . . . 3,286 13.55

PAT LAFFEY . . . . . . . . . . 793 3.27

KATHY MILLER . . . . . . . . . 2,963 12.22

GARY J. ROSATI. . . . . . . . . 1,308 5.40


1SkyKing310B(315 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

The people of Boardman Have spoken- They are amd as Hell and they are not going to take It anymore!

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2tgfo62(3 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago


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3AKAFR1(322 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

And exactly how will these new trustees solve the current financial crisis? Will they have the gonads to negotiate labor contracts that reflect the true finances of the township or will they continue to spend money that is not available. Good luck!

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4apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

AKAFR1 is 100% correct. There are only 2 options, spend less on wages and benefits or look to raise taxes yet again. Costello on WFMJ last night brought up CALEA which for a township approaching bankruptcy isn't too bright. But after seeing Costello in action before, what would anyone expect?

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5Grace(8 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Costello is a pompous jerk. Brad Calhoun is a plus for the township. Thank goodness we are rid of Gallitto and Miller. They were in control for too long. Our township's reputation and desirability took a real hit during their tenure.

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6AKAFR1(322 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Apollo..what is CALEA?

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7rex(65 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Out of the frying pan into the fire. They elected a "SCHOOL TEACHER" - the word epitomizes the mind set that public employees are entitled to better pay and benefits than the taxpayers who have who support them.
God help us all.................................

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8apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

CALEA is the certification that Boardman spent over $200,000 to get a few years ago at the behest of Costello and Mancini. It is an accreditation for law enforcement that supposedly states they have procedures and processes in place to insure a top notch professional police force. What is really means is that they are good at creating procedures and processes that might or might not be followed. Anyone remember Kendall and others? So much for professionals. It's a major waste of tax dollars and requires a full time officer (at least) to be the keeper and updater of the processes.

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9apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

They originally sold this as a way to save tons of money on insurance. Supposedly CALEA law enforcement is a safer and less risky group. When the insurance bill came after the accreditation, it saved less than $100. Costello even talking about it again shows how out of touch with the reality of the fiscal crisis this township is in. But, Clarence Smith sent his letter and many obviously bought his sincerity. Good luck Boardman, we're going to need it. Bankruptcy or much higher taxes, here we come.

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10apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Foxtrot must be Smith. He loves the idea of more money to keep the trough flowing in Boardman. More, more, more for the already overpaid employees. BPD already makes an average salary of $85,000. Add in bennies and you get to $125,000. The taxpayers are tapped out. Houses are not selling. Businesses are closing. Yet, the townships employees think they are immune. The solution is bringing township compensation down to the levels they should be. Using inheritance money for wages and benefits was the mistake made many years ago that set this fiscally ruinous path in motion. Miller and Gallitto got blamed for what started way before they got there.

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11AKAFR1(322 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Hi, my name is Robin Gallitto....I learned that in life there are 3 types of people...

1) Those who make things happen
2) Those who watch things happen
3) And people like me that say what the hell happened on election day????

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12Bdmngirl(5 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Apollo, you really need to start getting your facts straight before you start making accusations.

You seem like a really angry and bitter person. I hope you are able to find some happiness!

Good luck Bill!

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13apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

I love people like bdmngirl who needs to create a new sign on name probably because she is already someone who everyone already knows who they are.

What accusations do I need to get the facts straight on? The unneeded substation? CALEA? Please set me straight!

I couldn't be happier. Going to be fun watching Costello try and fix the financial mess he helped create. Can't wait for the show to start. First thing Costello wants to do based on his WFMJ victory speech is to bring back CALEA. Wow, is he out of touch with the townships financial situation.

I'll be waiting with baited breath bdmngirl for all my false accusations!

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14CabinFever(25 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Do you realize you mentioned "CALEA" in 4 out of 5 of your posts? You're like listening to a record skip for years. Anything new you can come up with to say? We've been listening to your same ol drivel for years now - has it changed anythig by continually repeating it?

When the team from CALEA came to Boardman Township to do their presentation, and the community was invited to attend and give their thoughts on the process to the committee, what did you stand up to say? Kathy Miller was in total support of the program and gave a long glowing speech about it. Geez, I don't recall 1 single Boardman Resident who stood up and gave their opinion on the program. Why?

YOU are the reason this are is the way it is - inablity to be a forward thinker and continually living in the past. At some point in life, you just have to let things go and move on. If mistakes were made in the past learn from them - but don't live in them.

Every public entity is in some sort of financial strain. Gallitto campaigned the first time on bringing "Fiscal responsibltiy and civility" to Boardman - and you fell for her line and gave her your vote. How'd that work out for you and the Citizens?

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15apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Gallitto didn't work out too well and neither will Calhoun. How well did Costello work out last time?

Once again, there are 2 options. More revenues or less expenditures. More revenues by any measure, means the taxpayers can bend over once again. The county found out how giving the taxpayers are.

So the only doable option is expenditure cuts. Think the unions are in a giving mood?

The state will be in control soon forcing cuts. It'll be fun to watch.

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16apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Notice I didn't mention CALEA in the above commentary. But, your boy Costello mentioned it last night as if the townships only problems are that we aren't CALEA certified. I'm pretty certain the electorate wasn't even thinking about CALEA when they cast their votes.

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17cesemp(1 comment)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

So the people of Boardman have spoken, Gallitto is out, now we can get things right. Yes that’s what we want, people who say WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR, that’ll work. I mean that Gallitto gal, she really had nerve telling us the way it is and the sacrifice, WE would have to do.

Good Luck Boardman

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18apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

This time next year, the state will be running Boardman. The cabal now owns all three trustees. Should make for some pretty boring commentaries in the Boardman Spews! Nobody to attack anymore, except me of course!

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19CabinFever(25 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

When someone makes mistakes, we hope someone learns from their mistakes when given another chance. He knows the ropes, he knows how the Township operates. He hits the stage running - no training required. I would think that would be a plus.

I was always told "better to make an effort and lose than to not make any effort at all"

Pluto, Apollo - whatever your name is, you do realize that even when CALEA was discontinued, that there was still a cop in charge of it right? That would be that new Medina Chief's idea, to keep it going. So technically, it never really went away - just the certification wasn't being paid for.

So the mere idea of bringing CALEA to Boardman and updating the way things used to be must have been a good idea for those who actually benefit from it. The employess AND the citizens. (Please provide us the proof that having up to date policies, procedures and legal issues in Law Enforcement isn't a good idea. I'd like to see more of that type of wisdom other than your personal opinion.) THAT'S what CALEA brought to Boardman.

Never say never - as you often do. I'm pretty sure Cleveland never thought they'd be in the National Spotlight with a serial killer that equals the likes of Jeffrey Dalmer living in their midst. I'm sure New York never thought 2 massive towers would ever fall to the ground. Pretty sure I heard the Titanic was never supposed to sink. All of these are examples of "management by trama'.

Preparing for anything that will come your way is called PROGRESSIVE thinking. Thinking that nothing will ever happen is a fool's thought.

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20candystriper(575 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Blame Calvin Coolidge for this defeat.

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21CabinFever(25 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Having the State be incharge of your finances? You're actually thinking that'll be "fun to watch"? Is this the same State of Ohio who's financial burden is too much for themselves to handle?

What type of person makes the comment that they enjoy seeing failure of their own community?

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22apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

You call CALEA progressive law enforcement? You think having CALEA has a snowballs chance you know where of actually stopping some unique event? Wow, you aren't too bright are you? I'm pretty sure New York's safety services are a little more experienced and prepared for these kind of events and yet the towers happened. Only here in the valley can people compare things that have no business being compared. Maybe CALEA will bring in more revenues??? Maybe it'll save another $50 in insurance premiums. Too funny.

If you have the procedures for CALEA in place, why bother spending the 5K to renew? Did CALEA prevent Kendall and his side kick? It's like any kind of accreditation, great for the finances of the accrediting organization.

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23apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

If we already have the highest paid cops in the state, why do we need some organization to tell them how to enforce the law? Didn't you people say that by paying exorbitant compensation, we had the best of the best?

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24vinglass(295 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

to Apollo....." The cabal now owns all three trustees". I knew the Smith cabal owned Costello, but Calhoun and Molnitaro too??

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25CabinFever(25 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Apollo, as usual, you're out on that limb again.

Here, I'll type slowly - I don't tell you how to do your job and you don't tell cops and firemen and public administrators how to do theirs since you've never held the position of any of the above. How simple is that exactly? Speculate all you want, but it's the same as when you point out the difference in what you do in your job and those who are confused in the ways of computers and mainframes.

It's obvious you don't have all the answers and continually repeating them hasn't worked for you in years, actually almost a decade.

I'll ask again, if you have all the answers and can take Boardman to the promised land and have endlessly pointed your finger at the mistakes everyone but Kathy Miller ever made, then why is it that I didn't see your name on the ballot this election or last? Even the janitor gave it an attempt this time - I have respect for him for making such an effort..

I'll ask again, if you didn't like the idea of CALEA, then why is it that you didn't attend the meeting years ago and go before the panel and voice your disapproval? NO citizen did. 40,000+ residents had the chance and none stepped forward and asked questions nor gave their opinion. The ability to do so could have come via email, snail mail, or public meeting. You had your chance to run for Trustee and voice your opinion about CALEA - and you did neither.

I'm sure 1 voice out of 3 would have had more impact on the operations than 1 voice out of 40,000+.

You had an opportunity to make a difference in the Township and you didn't. - So instead you sit here for years and speculate on the future, hope for failure of your community, and make claims that programs do not work for an organization yet you want respect in your postings?

Oh Plueeze -

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26apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

You forget, I have that college degree, you know the same one that you like to point out the BPD has when you tell us how many are college educated. I have the same. I know how clearance is supposed to be calculated. Not some goofy Patterson fabricated way.

I also pointed out the mistakes Miller made. In fact, she admitted many. Loree is mistake number one. She readily admits it. Does his diaper need changed?

Why didn't I attend the CALEA meeting? Maybe because Boardman government is so opaque? Maybe it's because when they DO advertise for something, like an IT coordinator, they mess (a swear word fits better here) it up royally!

Not to mention they don't want trustees peering in on negotiations to see what Seditz is giving away to the unions with the thought he's going to get similar. Too busy worrying about which bar he was going to later.

I have the answers. I've been posting them for years. You DON'T use inheritance dollars to run the township. You don't give 20K more than peer communities to the workers. You DON'T open unneeded substations. You DON'T spend 200,000 dollars on CALEA goofiness. You DON'T provide wages and benefits far beyond what the private sector pays. YOU DON'T LET THE UNIONS RUN THE TOWNSHIP!!! I disn't wish for this, but I also saw it coming years ago. The voters in this area wouldn't know a good candidate if he bit them in the butt. They vote ethnicity and name recognition.

Enjoy the state run bankruptcy!

plueeze, sounds like the North sider that used to rant at the meetings.

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27apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Yes, the cabal owns all 3 trustees now. Also, Leicht and Costello are good buddies. At least it'll be a love fest from now on as the state takes over.

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28apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Oh, one last thing. You want me to run for trustee so that the Boardman Spews newspaper can bash me for 8 years like it did to Miller? No thanks, as a private citizen they can't but as a public official they can print unflattering and untrue commentary. That's basically all that paper does.

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29harleydog(243 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Can't believe the people of Boardman are dumb enough to put Costello back in office . The problems started with him and miss personality Mancini. Boardman is heading down the tubes and Moliterno, Costello and Calhoun will be leading the way.

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30harleydog(243 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Oh, by the way, what is Darnell gonna complain about for the next four years. Maybe Calhoun could give him a lesson in spelling. His poor excuse of a newspaper doesn't know the meaning of spellcheck.

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31apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Harleydog, neither can I. But, never underestimate the influence of a letter from Sonny and the phone calls he made. Not to mention the people who signed the letter. (Elaine the spender, Rev Lundquist, Fred Davis, Larry Saxson, Tom Carney, and John Burgan) He did similar for Moliterno.

Speaking of those names, it's always good to have a clergy sign anything in the valley. Many crooks get clergy to submit reference to get lighter sentences. Davis is good because people might like him from a funeral meeting. Tom Carney fits the name recognition category. Burgan helps because Miller was also a realtor and it looks bad that he signed for Costello. So Sonny is smart enough to fool most voters.

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32apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Yeah Foxtrot, I'm not already paying enough taxes for the overpaid township employees. The cops need to make 200,000 each. Soon, all Boardman residents will be working for Walmart and paying 90% in taxes just so Foxtrot can feel safe in a community with almost zero violent crime and maybe 2 real fires a year.

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33apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Trust me Foxtrot, that WILL be their first business of 2010, asking for more money from residents. Force more people out of their homes because they can't afford the property taxes. Make it a safety services levy, that always garners more support. Promise 10 new officers......wait, that was already done and didn't quite work out. Talk about the 3 home invasions a year and keep harping about how close we are to Youngstown with it's high crime. Mention the apartment units on Shields filled with....."those" people. The timing might be perfect since the county will be letting people out of the jail since that sales tax failed. Get the big scare machine warmed up!

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34apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Foxtrot wants us to simply send every earned dollar to the township (or city if he has his way) so that we can feel safe in what is already one of the safest communities in Ohio. There are no benefits in higher taxes. Unless of course, you're in the foreclosure business!

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35apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Foxtrot is obviously a township employee. Never talks about expenditure decreases, only revenue enhancements. Rape the taxpayers!!!

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36countyscoop(22 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

We should have this discussion on live TV. There are some great comments and the writers each have some inside information. How will Canfield Township make it with no one continuing in office to even show them how to open the building? Of course Boardman has some advantage with Costello coming back because Moliterno has been anythig but stella. Will it be a revival of Seditz to replace Loree and Oz's ex-wife? Inquiring minds.

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37JeffLPatt(1 comment)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

My rule has been not to post on these forums. I think too much of it involves personal attacks. But I'm breaking my rule just this once. I was honored to serve as the Boardman police chief for 5 1/2 years. I believe the Boardman Police Department is, and has long been, one of the finest in the country--which its CALEA accreditation showed. I believe the management team I served with--Gary Dawson & Larry Wilson, Darren Crivelli, Jim Dorman, Christina Griffith, Tammi Rush, & yes, Curt Seditz, were/are top-notch public servants. And yes, I still believe in CALEA & the north-end substation. I haven't lived or worked in Boardman for several years now, but I offer my best wishes to the new board & the new police chief, and for the township's future in working through these challenging financial times. --Jeff Patterson

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38apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Too bad it hasn't been your wife's rule also! She used to attack Miller and I pretty mercilessly. It was often amazing how she had the information immediately after the trustee meetings took place. You still are the only LEO to ever cook clearance quite like you did. Your buddies and you could never come up with another LE agency that used those pretty favorable calculations. The substation was a joke to give a nice lease payment to property Davis couldn't give away and try to help Costello appease the North siders with a closer station. We spent way over 100K on that fiasco just getting it equipped. Now it's closed. Even when it was open during the day mostly it was a waste of resources. Then there is the IT ad. Did you really think Boardman needed a mainframe person with Programming and supervisory skills or was it just easier (lazy) to roll out the old Florida ad? Who was it that told the Boardman Reporter newspaper that she had 15 years of IT experience??? Berarducci was a true professional who got the shaft from your buddies. CALEA is a joke. More wasted money for nothing more than a piece of paper. Just having the certification means nothing. It's how you conduct yourself and you showed us your professionalism. Who hired a fired Canfield officer? (Kendall) Did you make that decision too?

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39apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Oh, and Jeff, you are right, this forum and others (Dems17) has been mostly personal attacks. Miller and I have been the brunt of most of them. Seems like some people simply don't like the truth out in the public domain.

As for the financial problems, take a bow. You and the people you mention above are the prime reason for the fiscal insanity.

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40CabinFever(25 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

I haven't been able to comment all evening as I've been laughing so hard at Apollo's comment where he's afraid of the Boardman News and John Darnell so much that he refused twice to run for Township Trustee even if he has all the answers to Boardman's problems.

Let me understand this (LOLOLOL) correctly -

Apollo, you know so much about police work and public administration that you refuse to step into a public office because you're afraid of a 5 page newspaper?

OMG, I can't contain myself any longer - this board has always been entertaining, and Bill's repeat posts over the years comical, but not running for political office because you're afraid of what a small township/bird cage lining newspaper will write about you???

Bawhahahahah...Make him stop...Bawhahaha...Make him stop.

I thought only my dog was afraid of the newspaper - Bawhahahahaha...

People, if that doesn't tell you what type of person Apollo is, I can no longer help you.

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41ComeOnMan(17 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

What wrong with a school teacher being in public office? They have the extra time and the extra brain cells available.

They teach 3 to 4 hours of class each day and the same level subject over and over for years. They use the same lesson plan for years. Some of the ones I saw my teachers use look like they were 10 years old. They show up pull it out of a folder and start talking.

It's like the movie groundhog day and you get summers off and paid like it's a full time job.

Have enough years to retire? Work out a deal to get your PERS and still keep your job. It doesn't matter that younger people are trying to make a living that they already were provided but they can't get a job.

Don't have enough years in run for public office. There nothing like living off the taxpayer buffet.

Foods ok but it makes you lazy and fat as hell.

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42Bdmngirl(5 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Apollo, you really need to move on from not getting that job. You keep saying you didn't want it, but anyone who reads this forum can tell that you're still bitter about it. The IT Department at YSU (the experts) chose the top 5 candidates from all of the resumes submitted based on their education and experience (no names were attached, so it couldn't be political). Guess what? You weren't even in the top 5! SO move on and quit being a sore loser. If you really want the job, then maybe you should get some more education and better experience so you'll be a more qualified candidate next time. If you really care about Boardman, quit bashing it and its leaders and future leaders. Try to work on a solution, rather than trying to take joy in it its problems. Otherwise, you are just coming across as a nasty person with sour grapes who has way too much time on his hands.

Oh, and by the way, CALEA certification didn't cost anywhere near $200,000. I have no idea where you are getting that number. You mention that you have a college degree, so then you know that you can't make claims like that without citing a source. So please, go to the public record and tell us exactly where you got that number.

And finally, and then I will never write on this blog again (because the immaturity level is mind-boggling) bashing the former Chief on here was RUDE and NASTY. You don't have to agree with him, but your comments were uncalled for. But, from reading your other posts, I would expect nothing less.

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43apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Top 5 candidates, LOL. Tammi was working for a cell phone company as a customer service rep. Had minimal computer experience and was still going to school for it. Then they lied to the community and said she had 15 years of IT experience. Maybe if you count using MS Word, LOL.

If the former chief, that IT genius had advertised the job properly, I'd have never even applied!!! I'm way too advanced to be IT coordinator doing the things that most 10 year olds can do. But he used that old ad from his Florida days that said Boardman needed someone with Mainframe, Programming, and Supervisory experience. I was the only candidate who applied AND met the ad qualifications. It was also advertised as "SALARY COMMENSURATE WITH EXPERIENCE"!!!

So it was Jeff the magnificent who set this all in motion because he was too lazy to produce an ad that made sense.

So Jeff all of a sudden after years of letting his wife be the basher, decides to congratulate the old regime that put Boardman in this position with his and Elaines help?

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44apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

As for not running for trustee, I was also taking care of an elderly parent and had no time. But, running for office in this God forsaken area requires money which means you have to sell out to the cabal. Ask Calhoun.

Foxtrot, imagine all the time and gas saved for the 2-3 miles between the main station and the substation! LOL. Are you kidding us or what?

Also Foxtrot, maybe we need a SWAT team and a helicopter too. For those times when a hostage crisis arises.

I'm going to enjoy watching the state take over. These buffoons who've run us into the ditch will undoubtedly blame Gallitto and Miller when the real problem started much sooner. Enjoy the comedy.

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45tgfo62(3 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

I agree with Cabin Fever... completely. Let's call out the wambulance for Apollo.

Apollo - it's been almost 6 years.... get over the IT thing already...you applied....you didn't get the job! MOVE ON!! You must be one bitter person to live with if you NEVER let things go.

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46apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

And bdmngirl, you were going to provide us all with the list of lies I've posted. Still accumulating that list or are you having a problem finding a lie?

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47apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

What part of I don't care I didn't get the job do you have a hard time understanding??? I make way more money and with tons more technical experience than any IT coordinator for Boardman would make. If Jeff would have done the ad properly, I'd never have applied. Instead, he lazily used one from Florida that was completely inappropriate.

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48tgfo62(3 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

So if you don't care why DO you keep bringing it up year after year after year....

And make no mistake - YOU brought it up in this forum!

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49apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Because it goes to the heart of the idiocy that is running this township. Spending on goofy things like CALEA, substations, IT admins, (which they didn't even need) cars for tots, cooking clearance numbers, bogus IT ads, drunk administrators, assistant administrators, (again not needed) 2 men per truck, 4 hours for court appearances that routinely take less than an hour, goofy minimum staffing that causes OT, the list is almost endless. Yet, some people still think the township has money even though the state almost put us in fiscal watch 2 weeks ago and at the current pace we'll be in fiscal emergency by this time next year. Had to borrow for the first time last year. Spent the inheritance money for routine expenses when nearly all other government entities save that for special projects like a new fire station!!! But, it's easier to blame me and call me crazy and tell everyone that I'm mad about not getting a job that would have required me to take a 2/3 pay cut to do work my nephew could do. It's the typical response from people, mostly township employees and their agents, who can't actually respond with reasons for all the goofy spending and things I'm telling people. Just like bdmngirl said about all the lies I'm telling and yet she hasn't produced one yet.

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50Bdmngirl(5 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Ummmm...reread my post. You keep claiming $200,000 was the cost for CALEA.

I'm waiting for the document and page number citation to back up that dollar amount claim. Once you provide proof, I'll happily admit I was wrong!

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51boardmanneedschange(364 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Will someone please give apollo a hand for being such a true patriot and posting ALL DAY on message boards instead of doing something worthwhile with his day? Posting a few comments is a common and acceptable thing, but JESUS ,MAN!!! Give us all a break and stop with the whiny complaints!!! Do you realize how obsessed and loony you sound? I think you may need some type of psychiatric assistance. We all have gripes and post a little on here but you seem to be one step away from going round the bend and tracking someone from here down and probably doing some type of bodily harm to them!!! I have to agree that if you are really that pissed about the township and the way its headed, then why dont you take some responsibility on and try to change it by running for office (you seem to think you have the answers to everything) .....OR GETTHEHELL OUT!! I'm sure a man with your crazazy skills and money could find a much better place to live where your neighbors would appreciate you. Like the effin moon!!!!!!!!!

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52apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago


Key paragraph

The average agency will spend well over $300,000 to become accredited. Contact Law Enforcement Accreditation Consultants, Inc. and let us show you how we can cut the costs of you becoming accredited by more than HALF! We guarantee it!!

Read the preceding paragraphs to see the costs breakdown.

Can I get the apology in writing please?

Yeah Change, the funny thing is I get great reviews for productivity and work. I do weekends and evenings and nights when necessary. Yet, you think you are the determiner of all things IT.

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53boardmanneedschange(364 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

26 of 61 comments, Yea thats not obsessing much. And incidentally , when did I mention IT, loonybird? You really are disturbed. Here's hoping I dont make the hit list you are creating.

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54apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Wow, a board monitor and he can count to at least 2 digits. Very impressive.

Can't wait for the state take over. It's going to be fun!

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55apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Change, you insinuated that I have all day to post and am not doing my work which happens to be IT and you know it.

So just because you didn't mention IT dIrecTly, IT doesn't take a genius to figure out what you were referring to.

This makes 28 of 63! Funny, how I'm the loony one and yet he has time to count posts!!! You should be a comedian.

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56boardmanneedschange(364 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

I actually am a comedian, a very successful one and I am not mad that the township didn't hire me to be the Township Comedian position because I make much more not being a township employee. I also get great reviews from my fellow comedians and I am a comedian on weekends, evenings and nights when necessary. Let me repeat that I am definitely not spiteful that I was not hired for a position that I myself applied for, didn't get and now think is below me. Jokes on you loonybird.

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57Bdmngirl(5 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

No, I want you to cite the source of what BOARDMAN paid. You keep telling us they paid $200,000. Where did you get that amount? Did you make it up?

Giving me some random link with what the "average" municipality paid is not an appropriate source. Sorry.

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58apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Yeah, I figured that no matter what source I provided, it wouldn't meet your criteria for proof. Only cabal sponsored opinion pieces are factual. Like someone's 15 years of exsperience. That's the typical Boardman township response. The fact that Boardman had 1 1/2 full time employees at roughly $125,000 (wages and benefits) dedicated to the CALEA process probably doesn't count either? Manpower better spent on the street. Pushing CALEA papers and writing procedures and processes that evidently Kendall and others forgot to read and follow!

Evidence that proves the cabal and it's mouthpieces wrong is never valid. Pure opinion, lies, and bogus ads are however gospel.

If facts are meaningless with people like bdmngirl, then sorry just wait for the state to take over.

Since you obviously know how much CALEA costs and organizations whose job it is to help agencies get certified are liars, I'll defer to the expert....YOU.

How can anyone in Boardman expect any change for the better when anyone who presents factual things is a loony? Enjoy the ride. It's better than Seinfeld reruns.

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59CabinFever(25 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago


Apollo wrote:
"You want me to run for trustee so that the Boardman Spews newspaper can bash me for 8 years like it did to Miller? No thanks, as a private citizen they can't but as a public official they can print unflattering and untrue commentary."

First, (LOLOL) why would you be bashed for "8 years" when Trustee terms are only for 4 years? LOLOL

Secondly, you're shoulders aren't big enough to be able to handle a job of responsibility without worrying about what other people think - even if it's a newspaper and a writer you have no use for?

Bawhahahaha. What else are you afraid of? Monsters under your bed?

I can't stop laughing...at you!

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60Bdmngirl(5 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Ok, Apollo, I'm signing off for good. I have other things in my life than spewing hate on a message board. I hope you are able to get past your bitterness at not getting the job and can find something positive on which to spend your many hours of free time.

I care about Boardman and I always wish it the best, regardless of who is in office. I didn't like Miller or Gallitto, but I would never wish ill or make jokes about their struggles. I'm sad that there are people living in our town who are so centered on their own agendas that they have such a closed-mind on other opinions. I feel sorry for people like that and am THANKFUL that they are in the minority.

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61CabinFever(25 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

I'm almost there myself Bdmngirl - signing off for good so Apollo will have no one but himself (LOLOLOL) to repeat his hatred to.

After a while, reading his hatred for his community, it's leadership, and a job posting that occured almost a decade ago gets boring. Bdmangirl, you'd think that a man of his superior intelligence would have a more broad spectrum of issues to discuss yet that doesn't seem to be the case.Same ol' same ol and after years of his postings it never did change the outcome.

With the exception of the comic section (The "Apollo's afraid of what John Darnell will write about him because he apprently cares so much what John Darnell and the Boardman Spews has to say) that he wrote yesterday, the rest of this conversation has been quite mundane.

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62apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

You wanted proof of the CALEA cost and refused to believe a credible source. What more can anyone say or do? Certain cabal members and their followers simply do not find out for themselves and just buy into the crap that their leaders claim. CALEA was free!!!! LOL. So was the substation. The cars for tots was free too!! Everythings free!!! Funny, though, how the township just happens to be on the verge of bankruptcy!

No wonder the area is a cesspool of corruption. Any good people honest are shouted down and eventually leave.

Get the scare machine warmed up. Maybe you'll get a home invasion or two to that will go a long way towards scaring enough of the unknowing to vote for that levy that will be on probably next May.

Go to keep the golden trough flowing!

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63countyscoop(22 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Too bad Aey and Rosati won't have a chance at Boardman Township. There will sure be no news out of there since it will be all peachy with the 3 anoited Smith people. Attention will be turned to Canfield and Liberty. What was the problem with the former trustees in Liberty and Ungaro? Those in Canfield does the road superintendant make over $100,000?

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64ubotherme(53 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago


please just answer the question.

show where boardman paid $200k for accreditation.

just show it. i'm not being mean to you, so try not to turn on me here. just SHOW it.

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65CabinFever(25 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Ubotherme - he can't do it! He pulled that magic number out of his.....sky. He read some information, made a guess, and decided that's the number he was going to use. He can't prove his number (You'll learn he demands anyone to prove things to him, but he doesn't have to prove anything to you) and he can't prove the savings number either. Not the legal savings nor the insurance savings.

Besides - he's afraid of John Darnell and what he'd write about him in the Boardman Spews. Bawhahahahahahaha

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66apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

What part of 1 1/2 full time officers doing CALEA don't you understand? That's $175,000 right there. Another officer filled in and performed the CALEA officers regular jobs while they pushed papers for over a year. Whether it was overtime costs or not who knows. The average police agency spends $300,000 to get CALEA certified. That's a fact.

Sorry, I don't have receipt I can provide! I guess according to cabin and ubother Everything's free! Substations are free! Cars for tots is free! Lets get us a command center since it too is free! Since everything is free, how come the township is broke?

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67apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Actually, the insurance savings number is readily available from the township. The savings from CALEA in insurance premiums wasn't even $100. Yet, Mancini and Costello sold CALEA as a big insurance cost saver. Call the township and get the numbers, they have to provide them.

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68apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

This election will be a referendum on the cabal. They no longer have Miller and Gallitto to blame. Watch the township crash and burn into state control and another levy or two will be on the ballot over the next few years. Leicht and Costello being buddies won't help. We've got 2 trustees whose only frame of reference is public trough feeding. The other one is already a proven failure as trustee. The future looks bright!

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69apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Foxtrot, I'm not a website developer. It's a bare bones website to provide the salary info. I never said it was a dynamic website. Just showing off that IT knowledge you don't have I see. IT has numerous platforms. IT doesn't mean "the internet" In fact, the vast majority of IT workers have nothing to do with the internet. I just love how people with no knowledge of something think they are experts.

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70boardmanneedschange(364 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

A website designed through godaddy.com? Couldn't even write it himself, had to use websitetonight? Holy Good god I am absolutely rolling!!!!!! My gut actually hurts I'm laughing so hard at this moron. Credibility is in the toilet for sure now folks. My sixth grade kid makes websites with website tonight!!!!!!!! Dude you are the biggest fraud alive. do us all a favor and keep posting so we can pick you apart further.

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71apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

I spent maybe an hour setting that website up. I added the links to the salaries and some links for Tugboat. A few other links for visitors. (almost 3000) Still, it's infinitely better than you website and almost as good (or bad) as Boardman's website.

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72apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Change is also showing his stupidity. You need to REGISTER to get a website and pay a REGISTRATION fee to keep it alive. You can't just "write" a website like Change thinks. Provide us your sixth graders website so we can compare! LOL. Regardless, I'm not a website IT person. Still, its better than yours. (or your 6th graders!)

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73apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Does change know that you need to have a host? GoDaddy is the largest website host in the US.

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74boardmanneedschange(364 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Hey nutbag, My kid writes his own html and therefore doesnt need to use website for dummies tools like website tonight. Sure you can write your own site. If you can write html that is, captain IT loony. Keep digging yourself deeper.

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75boardmanneedschange(364 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Does it bother you that this is the only human interaction you will get all weekend? hahaha Im going to go eat lunch with actual humans now.

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76Gary_R(4 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Hey gang, I just drafted a Public Records Request to send the Boardman Township Administrator relating to the CALEA discussion. Here’s what I’m requesting.

- Records showing the costs of acquiring CALEA certification.
- Records showing to the costs of maintaining CALEA certification.
- Records showing the man-hours devoted to maintaining CALEA certification.
- Records showing any insurance and/or cost savings associated with CALEA certification.

If you think I should ask for more/other documents, please respond.

@ Apollo: I have some salary info from an earlier Public Records Request I did for the campaign. I can pass it on to you if you would like.

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77CabinFever(25 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Change, I agree - pretty bare bones for a guy who's so college educated and all knowing - we're supposed to believe he knows all about public administration, police and fire duties yet he's surrounded daily by computers but has this lame website that hasn't gotten the attenion of 10% of "the masses" of citizens he says he comes here to educate.

You just keep working a posting your Spew there Apollo - I'm heading to my cabin for the weekend. AFTER I stop by that office on Market Street first ofcourse and let a certain someone know you fear him and his newspaper.


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78apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Gary, these morons who think they are IT experts and obviously website experts, are a hoot. Is it any wonder why this township is in such financial difficulty? They say I spew things but at least my stuff is true. They don't like my website because it exposes those ridiculous wages of the employees. That's the only reason I set that up. To give the township a place that shows how overpaid our employees are. These are things that SHOULD BE on the township website. So too should the audit. But, they don't want it in the public domain. They prefer opaque government done in back rooms and with the cabal in control. You can almost tell who is answering me. Darnell is probably one. perhaps Smith. You could list about 10 people and have them all.

Hey change, you still need to register the website, idiot. You can't just create some pages and wella, there's a website.

Gary, these people don't know and worse, they don't know, they don't know. They have almost zero concept of what IT is and yet they can get on here and claim a 27 year veteran of IT doesn't know what he's doing. They have no concept of the mainframe at all.

I don't fear Darnell, far from it. He's irrelevant. Without his father in law he's bankrupt, out of business. His circulation is almost nothing. That rag couldn't influence anything.

Sure Gary, I'd like to get all the salary info I can get on the website.

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79apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Change thinks writing HTML is IT. bwaaaaaaa.

That's a childs language. How about assembler? Can that child write assembler? If he can IBM will pay handsomely for that. HTML, a dime a dozen.

Again, these people have no clue what real IT is. A PC and the internet is their concept of IT.

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80Gary_R(4 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

@ Apollo: Hey Man, just sent you a PM

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81ubotherme(53 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Ya, Gary,

ask for the 1999 Tri-Data study of the BFD.

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82anothermike(227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

No big surprise....take an imcumbent that is basically doing nothing or a lousy job, add to that a bunch of horses added to the race, and the results are a new face in January. Happens all the time. If your elected officials aren't doing the job they promised, vote them out next term. Don't give them the opportunity to continue to screw up. The same thing needs to happen at the State level also. Good job, Boardman residents!!!!

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83apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Hey Foxtrot, showing off that IT knowledge I see. Mainframes are far from obsolete my friend. The mainframe is actually producing more MIPS (or MSU's) now than 10 years ago. In fact, some colleges are now back to offering mainframe classes because of the resurgence of the platform and the graying of us mainframers. But, in typical Mahoning Valley fashion, you and your ilk are about 10 years behind. Mainframes make the world go round. Ask the big companies whose lifeblood is so reliant on the most secure, most powerful, and most reliable platform on the planet. Gartner research, the expert in anything IT says so too.


Here's another a little more recent!


So much for the mainframe being dead!!! Plus the platform pays a whole lot more than those kiddie boxes and HTML coders. Proving you guys wrong is like taking candy from a baby. Do you just make stuff up like that all the time?

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84apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Foxtrot, don't even mention that you are familiar with DOS, basic, and FORTRAN. Languages that are really obsolete. COBOL is still the language of choice in major corporations. There are still billions of lines of COBOL code that runs the systems of major companies. And what does it mean you are familiar with databases? The real DB, DB2, or some little ACCESS DB? Can you write complex SQL? How about a star join? Assembler is still used quite a bit on the mainframe. PL/I is still used by IBM. DB2 is still the Mercedes of databases. Don't even try to impress me with you IT knowledge. I and people I work with have forgotten more than you'll ever know.

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85countyscoop(22 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

How will you know if they are not doing a good job? This new group looks like one in the same.

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86apollo(1227 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Actually, Foxtrot, Mainframes are gaining. Ask Gartner, the experts in IT direction. You can have one box that NEVER goes down. We' haven't had a mainframe failure for over a decade, while those kiddie boxes fail all the time. The mainframe saves on space, heating and cooling, (therefore green) is far more reliable, far more secure, and far more stable. It also requires far less people to administer. (that's why we are paid the big bucks) Lots of companies are going to Linux on a mainframe LPAR. Yeah, small companies can't afford the mainframe, but many medium companies are seeing the light and large corporations are fully invested on the z platform. Also, with the specialty engines, you can offload processing to them and save on general processor charges. You do know about specialty engines don't you? CA is also focused on making the mainframe administration less costly since all us mainframers are going to be retiring in 10 years. It's called CA Mainframe 2.0. Check it out. Obviously, they don't think the mainframe is going away anytime soon.

If only I had a nickle for each time a person who works on those kiddie platforms told me the mainframe was dead, I could retire now!

CA MF 2.0 http://www.ca.com/US/solutions/mainfr...

First paragraph: Mainframe continues to be the core platform for the global enterprise—running the world’s most critical applications and hosting most of the world’s most critical data.

Go play in that kiddie sandbox. I'll stick to a real man's platform.

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87samjudwin(12 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

I believe that the people of Boardman are too stupid to understand the ballot language, and voted for the wrong people.

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88guest3369(2 comments)posted 6 years, 8 months ago

Apollo, curious as to where you got $85,000 for average police officer. When I added the wages (including overtime) for patrolmen to Chief (amounts where taken from info on your website) and divided by the number of officers, I got an average of $77,904.25. With a difference of $7095.75 multiplied by 50 officers equaling $354,787.50 (I think you over exaggerated. I did a little more figuring and found that the average patrolman makes $68,146.75 a total of 34 people, the average sergeant makes $86,696.69 a total of 11 people and the 4 lieutenants make an average of $102,525.57. I am also curious if you have the information as to how much money the police department got in grant money to do speed and DUI enforcement and/or any other special enforcements that I'm sure accounted for a majority of the overtime along with the loss of 5 men in 2008 (which a couple worked a few weeks in 2008 that I didn't average in, didn't want to through off year average). Some of the other OT I'm guessing was caused by the other 5-6 guys that were lost in previous years though retirement or left for greener pastures that were never replaced.

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