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Struthers police bust teen drinking party



Published: Mon, November 2, 2009 @ 2:45 p.m.

STRUTHERS — Police said they arrested 35 juveniles at a party where there was underage drinking.

Police went to a house on Lakeshore Drive at 11:06 p.m. Saturday where they found a large crowd of teenagers in a garage on the property, they said.

Police said there were numerous alcoholic drinks in the garage.

One teenager ran from police and was tackled and handcuffed, they said. He was released to his parents and taken for medical attention because of a cut over his eyebrow, they said.

All the other teens were detained until their parents arrived to take them home, police said.

When the homeowners arrived, they told police they did not give their daughter permission to have a party and they did not know who provided the alcohol.

A Struthers detective will be contacting the juveniles this week, police said.


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1scored(5 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

I am GLAD they got busted! It's about time! This has been an ongoing party house for underage kids that the girls' parents have been providing the alcohol for. They have been on watch for a while.

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2Rumors(3 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

The parents DO NOT provide the alcohol, relax with the rumors

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3Woody(451 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Who provided the alcohol then?

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4borylie(742 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Every ounce of alcohol at that party should be traced back to where it came from and how it got there. If officials and or parents were serious about stopping underage drinking,they'd find the source and apply the punishment that fits the law. None of this crap, kids will be kids. Dead kids,injured kids,innocent crash victims,sexual misconduct,physical abuse,long term effects well into their adult lives and the list goes on and on. One time nail and publish the providers.

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5Rumors(3 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

The kids purchased the alcohol themselves

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6TheJurisdiction(16 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Borylie-

Do you really think that stopping underage drinking is appropriate? Morally, you make a strong argument. But does citing these young individuals with M1 misdemeanors (initially, typically a local court will reduce penalties to disorderly conduct) really provide for a cogent way to stop the problem? How can you base your premise for "tracing alcohol back to where it came from" with statistics when, in this this case, nobody was caught with a driving under the influence, injured, or was involved with sexual misconduct? Maybe you are basing your premise off a precedent or what might of happened. I drank when I was younger and never had any problems that transpired into my older age. I think you need to relax and only bring your far fetched alcohol legislation to cases where problems actually occurred. It's not hard to get alcohol in Youngstown and bringing first-time alcohol offenders to Neil Kennedy or other "recovery" programs is the most irrational thing to do. Children experiment due to many factors! In this situation, I can see where you are deriving your notions on underage alcohol consumption from. However, this is just one case where young adults were caught, are you aware of how much underage consumption happens throughout the valley? It is growing exponentially and is quite shocking, but our relaxed culture seems to allow parents to provide alcohol or let children drink. In any aspect, it is illegal, but harsher punishment is irrelevant to stopping this "so-called evil" that clearly opposes your own values.

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7Woody(451 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Where did they buy it at?

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8TheJurisdiction(16 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Woody-

Make some friends with a convenience store worker, or flash some money and you'll get what you want. Like most things in this world, brown nosing and bribery are very vital when beating the system.

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9Woody(451 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

And as Borlyle pointd out, it should be found where they got the alcohol and the proper sanctions should be applied.

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10TheJurisdiction(16 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

How is that going to happen? They can lie and say that alcohol was bought from a random man they found on the street or created a convoluted story about it so that they have a supplier for next time. What should be done, and what will be done are two very different things.

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11jrolley325(776 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

when you're that age, everybody has friend who has another friend/brother/cousin/etc of legal age who they can get to buy alcohol for them. it's not hard.

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12jrolley325(776 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

and its especially not hard to get if you're female. go into almost any nightclub in the youngstown area and tell me they're all 21 and over.

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13Search4Answers(710 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

I can't believe this is surprising to some. Our alcohol laws might be some of the dumbest laws out there. I would be willing to bet over half of the college student population broke the law over the weekend. And what was the reason prohibition was so unsuccessful again?

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14daisy1(4 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

It's been one big party since they moved in last year.

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15borylie(742 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Jurisdiction, huh?

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16ElPolloRetrasado(198 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

When I as young we never even thought about drinking or experimenting with cigarettes or dare I say it, WEED! Oh my gawd, find out what brand of beer they had and sue the distributor! Even better, go straight to the brewery and hang everyone working there in the streets by their feet and throw rocks at them, even better throw your ill conceived hypocritical morals at them! That ought to stop them from corrupting the kids....or are the kids corrupting them? That's it, ban everything that Borylie finds reprehensible! It's time for authorities to answer your prayers and we can become the draconian civilization you so thrive for! Mind your business dips**t!

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17Stan(9923 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

"When the homeowners arrived, they told police they did not give their daughter permission to have a party and they did not know who provided the alcohol. "

They have taught their daughter well .

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18borylie(742 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Hey ElRetardo,if you don't believe in laws,then take your sorry self and your burro to some lawless country. Afghanistan comes to mind. My hypocritical morals? I've NEVER smoked cigarette's,weed,illegal drugs or drank alcohol. I made commitments at a very early age(for family reasons) and I've been strong enough to keep these commitments. Nothing kicks my a--. I'm also agnostic,so don't try to label me as a religious nut. You and Jurisdiction must go to the same saloons. Why don't you both get a clue. Go visit the morgue and see what a beheaded teen looks like that was killed due to an alcohol related accident.

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19ElPolloRetrasado(198 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Geez Borylie, I thought you were an idiot but then you replied and I realize you are not an idiot just a moron! First off, you must do some research before you try to call me names. El Pollo Retrasado translates to "The Retarded Chicken", so your attempt at childish name calling is lost on my own self denigration, good job! Secondly, just because I don't believe in tyrannical law does not mean I don't believe in laws ingeneral but at the same time I believe that if the kids did wrong they get punished not the people that may or may not have helped supply the devils medicine. The proof of the kids being wrong is there but to try and find fault with the supposed suppliers by means of heresay and conjecture is not right. If you think it is you are more imbecilic than I thought. Congratulations on never divulging in things that can kick your a** but obviously being the agnostic nonreligious nut that you are, how can you tell me that the beheaded teens that apparently are flooding our morgues nowadays are not finding themselves in a better place? Admittedly by your beliefs you don't know what happens after death so who are you to make judgment? I don't know Jurisdiction but I'd be glad to sit and have three fingers of the liquid that built this country while smoking a cancer stick that made this a place that you could live in and be overly controlled by the authorities with absolute complacence by yourself! I have a clue for you...mind your own business, it sounds like you have enough of your own problems that you don't want to face.

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20scored(5 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

rumor, the parties have been none stop since they moved in while the the step-dad and mom are well aware of the fact that there are parties going on every weekend at their house WITH ALCOHOL, they got lucky just this one time and "were not home during the incedent".

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21TheJurisdiction(16 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Borylie-

Your decisions and the decisions of others are two separate entities. Why are you jumping to conclusions about a beheaded teen? You are trying to make a logical syllogism that drinking at this party will lead to an accident. In many of the parties I attended in high school, people would spend the night or have a designated driver. Your premise is the exact same rationality that many of the legislative bodies hold which limits underage consumption in the United States. Legalizing the drinking age would initially cause mayhem in the US, but over time, probably be more beneficial to future generations (Germany, for example). The forbidden fruit syndrome is also a marker for destruction in teenagers, although highly debated against what researchers say. It's good you have alienated yourself from such indulgences and negative choices, but a decapitated body is not the result from this party. Bringing up the "worst case scenario" is not only irrational, but it also highlights a rare instance throughout the valley in which vehicular homicide or personal injury is the resultant factor in a teenage party. Laws seem to actually create more problems than actual protect teenagers from a common problem; drinking.

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22Rumors(3 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Score, I know there has been parties, I know its not non-stop parties with the teens, and I know for a fact the parents don't supply the alcohol. I can say for 100% accuracy that it has not been every weekend.

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23Woody(451 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

I say legalize all drugs. But here is the deal, put it on the warning label, society owes you nothing. No food stamps, no housing, no welfare, no health care. nothing, you are on your own. It would not be a bad thing, it would help to thin the herd if you will.

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24scored(5 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Rumors, So it is ok for the parents to be well aware of the parties, be IN THE HOME during the parties and to LET the parties go on? I understand they were not there for the most recent party that got busted, but the parents have been there in the past. And if they do not agree with the parties, why are they leaving the teen by herself if she is untrustworthy? Why was this teen girl unsupervised by her parents when it is knowingly obvious that she has had many parties in her mother and step-dad's house that they have never seemed to object to? We all have fun at a young age, some of us have experimented, some of us haven't... but the bigger picture is protecting the safety of my own child. Being a parent myself, this situation concerns me since this isn't the first time I have heard about this teen girl having parties with alcohol. And I don't believe I am the first parent to speak about the matter. It has been well known. Come on, do you really think when a teen girl has 35 other students at her house, they are not going to talk about it at school Monday morning? So, this leads me to ask: where were the parents THIS TIME and HOW did they get the alcohol? Rumors, you seem to know the family better than I do, since you are able to state your "facts". So are there any answers as to why a teenage girl would have a party at her PARENTS house and provide other teens with alcohol? None-the-less, make herself and her own parents responsible for 35 alcohol induced lives plus the risks. I don't believe she is responsible enough to be a host of underage drinking nor is anyone considered 'responsible' no matter their age if they provided alcohol to teens. If the teens walked into a store and purchased the alcohol, which can be pretty likley, then the store clerk is partially responsible. If a friend of a friend purchased it, they should be partially responsible, if the parents purchased it or just "happened to have it in the house at the time", they should be partially responsible for the girls actions. But ultimately, ALL THE TEENS are responsible for their actions. If they think they are old enough to drink, then they are old enough for punishment.

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25borylie(742 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

ElRetardo,you've earned your name. Retarded Chicken. Too bad you trying to live up to your name and not trying to be sane and a worthwhile person contributing to the overall population that doesn't want to be killed by a drunk driver. I'm sure glad you feel so good about yourself that you can pick and choose our laws. I don't go to bars even to shoot pool because of people like you that are no fun to be around,alcohol controls you and you are not yourself. And Jurisdiction,you're obviously drunk while you type your posts. They're rambling,incoherent pieces of bull poop. Woody, I agree. Let those that chose to be high on something ,that can't deal with the real world and are unhappy with who they are,pay their own way. No handouts unless your sober.

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26scored(5 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Bump, borylie! Well said.

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27TheJurisdiction(16 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Borylie-

Drunk? I am speaking from a research and scholarly standpoint, where you are only citing your own opinion. I think you and Woody are taking this story out of proportion. Legalizing all drugs is the most illogical thing I have heard. We are discussing a party with 35 individuals and you are going on a tangent and bashing every opinion that is placed on here. Putting the parents at risk is a smart option, but without any evidence (due to the parents not being home) how can the law place any reason to believe the parents were behind this party? I do agree with the point that the children should be accountable considering they have enough knowledge to distinguish what is illegal and was is not. I am legally not old enough to drink at a bar, but I can assure you that I don't plan on partaking ina destructive lifestyle. I am simply asking that these people be innocent until proven guilty (the parents). There isn't enough cogent evidence to put the parents behind bars, as well as determine where the alcohol came from. If you think you can form a group of Untouchable's to trace the alcohol back to it's origin, then you are living in a dream world. What does welfare have to do with this? it is clearly a system that has been abused, although initially it worked well during a distressing period in America. 35 people, a party, and alcohol. I don't see any correlation between schedule 1-3 narcotics and and welfare system to this case.

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28borylie(742 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Jurisdiction, you are sure full of yourself. I could take your post apart sentence by sentence,but I'll just say a couple of things. I gave an opinion and I got bashed. I don't believe you read or understood my posts,because I'd love to see where I said anything about these parents in particular being responsible. I said if officials and or parents were serious about underage drinking, they'd find the source and hold them accountable. And look up the words investigating and questioning. Someone that knows how to play Clue could figure out whose the supplier.You must love reading your posts and thinking your some kind of intellectual.

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29TheJurisdiction(16 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

My post reflect not only a counterpoint toward you, but also to other posts. And you think you can solve the puzzle of "who bought the alcohol?" I doubt that the law cares where the alcohol came from due to the fact that it is quite likely they will run into a lie from the juveniles that they question. Also, a similar situation with a party happened to myself and the officer didn't even ask where the alcohol came from when a plethora of beer was sitting in my home. It might take a serious accident for any change to happen, but finding the source of a problem is harder than you think.

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30borylie(742 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Juris. Your post was without doubt directed at me,it said so. There has been serious accidents,every darn day. 17,000 alcohol related deaths each year,not counting the maimed. Finding the source is not a problem,if the law wants to go to work. One case comes to mind in Hubbard a couple of years ago. A teenager walking with her friends to a bowling alley,was hit from behind and died on the spot. The excellent Hubbard Police found the hit and run drunk and knew within minutes where he got drunk. It can be done and should be done. I'm so glad you had a plethora of beer at your home,you're really hip. What were you trying to accomplish? Getting a buzz,being cool,it's the only way you and your friend could have fun? By the way, the drunk killer went to jail and the bar where he got drunk was sued successfully. Seriously,impress your friend with your juvenile intellect and leave the boards alone to you mature. If you really think that a lie will throw the police off the case,like no one ever lied to the police,then that proves your a very immature potential alky.

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31TheJurisdiction(16 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

A drunk driver is the easiest possible target to find where the alcohol came from. You're trying to play Eliot Ness and find where beer was purchased at a house party. Two different cases and this one is a bit more of a challenge. And I chose to have a party to get a group of friends together and have a good time. Nothing happened and everyone was responsible.

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32borylie(742 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Juris, Let me tell you how this movie ends. I can throw facts and common sense verbiage at you all night. You will continue to paint yourself into a corner,because there's no way you can overcome facts and common sense when you lack both. What are you using for your seemingly well known fact that a drunk driver is the easiest target? How do you know this is a bit more challenging? Well Barney,tell me how you arrived to these facts? How are these facts:(1) Most spousal abuse is when one of the parties is under the influence of alcohol. (2) Most pedophiles plied their victims with alcohol. (3) Many high school students do not perform as well as they can in school because of alcohol. (4) Alcoholics started drinking in high school. (5) Most rapes occur or unwanted sex occurs when the female has been drinking alcohol. Not a fact,but a truism,if people making the decision to buy alcohol,cigarettes or dope would instead put that money in the bank,they would have the possibility of opening the door if oppurtunity knocks.

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33ElPolloRetrasado(198 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

I am done hearing anything that Borylie has to say, I hope the next drunk driver hits you and then when you think you can sue them it turns out they weren't drunk and it was all your fault to start with! D-bag! Get off your high horse! Sounds to me like someone who was an alcoholic molested you as a child and now you have to lash out at anyone that thinks a drink is not the devil. Go take your made up "facts" and do some legitimate research and see that its all part of population control. I always thought it was about thinning the herd and geting rid of the weakest links but then I heard from you and realized even the weakest of links are still alive!

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34TheJurisdiction(16 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

I agree with ElPollo. Find me some legitimate statistics with a high confidence interval and prove to me your right. You are speaking of the most broad topics and not backing up anything you say. A drunk driver is an easy target because you could easily ask around bars to see where the driver was that night. And even if that is too challenging, it is still easier than asking a group of teenagers where alcohol came from. You need a class in statistics and also need to go to college (again, if you already went). Your third point really makes sense Borylie; anybody could prove that as a fact! Everything else is subjective until you prove me wrong with research.

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35woolyd(579 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Kids will be kids and they will make mistakes it happens. Kids will also experiment some with grave repurcussions, some with none at all. The reality is that if people want to commit "illegal acts"(defined as illegal by legislation) they will continue to do so and they know the risks involved. If we legalized all drugs we would not be a country of crackheads or alcoholics because the reality is only those already engaging in the abuses would continue to do so. Bottomline if your not doing these things now you wouldnt if they were legal it an individuals morals that dictate their behaviors

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36borylie(742 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Elretardo = Wacko. You're a crude,low class jerk. Not worthy of anything more. Juris = narcistic nincompoop. If these boards are reduced to the level of you two,you'll soon be commenting only to each other. Lowlifes.

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37JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

"I can throw facts and common sense verbiage at you all night." But you won't, right?

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38borylie(742 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Wrong again Eljeffo,surely your related to the above loser. Fact: 15,387 alcohol related automobile deaths in the year 2007. Since facts don't help you reach the conclusions you losers want,I won't waste my time quoting more facts. However,if I wanted to,or if anybody wanted to,Google drunk driving statistics and get all the facts you don't really want to hear. Then Google just the word drunk and you can pull up all the facts and stats you don't want to hear. You people are so steeped in your wanting to be right,damn the facts and common sense,that you get mad and hope I get hit by a drunk driver because I make you crawl out of your slimy skin,and expose you'll for what you are. Got to get on my high horse now and conjure up those good old memories of being molested as a child.

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39Ginger76(178 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Those crazy Strudders kids.

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40JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

That's what I thought. No facts, all nonsensical rhetoric. Google the phrase “weak argument” and let us know what you come up with.

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41borylie(742 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Eljeffo, I Googled "weak argument" and your name appeared. It also had your picture,or a strong resemblance of a rectal pit.

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42JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Wow. I guess I just got served.

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43ElPolloRetrasado(198 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Borylie, I googled you, how did it feel! You probably didn't feel anything considering your too busy with those blinders keeping your views so narrow! Fact: 2006- 33,300 people died of suicide. Do we lock everybody in a padded room for their own safety? Or do you shutdown the makers of ropes and guns that people use to kill themselves? You are a crusader without a clue! And I'm the crude, low class wacko?! By the way, I understand that your brain only works in one way,(slowly), but just because my name has EL before it doesn't mean you have to use it in front of everybodies name! Just a thought.

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44ElPolloRetrasado(198 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Side note: Apparently Borylie knows our family tree! Jeff and Jurisdiction, we are either related OR the only people that care to realize that Borylie is a self righteous, over sensitive commie! By the way, all of my family is dead, so figure your own conclusion to the preceding!

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45TheJurisdiction(16 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Borylie-

You can legally drive with less than a .08 BAC as an adult over the age of 21 as dictated from Ohio law. What about vehicular deaths in general? They account for approximately 2/3 of vehicle crashes (NHTSA 2007). A much higher percentage than alcohol deaths. Find a driver from this party that decided to drive and get into a wreck after drinking. I don't see one mentioned or have heard of one. Bring your arguments to a story where driving was involved! They clearly are out of line for a house party or of most alcohol drinking teenagers in the valley. Kids can distinguish what is safe and typically would rather sleep over or have a designated driver. I'm not narcissistic either, I'm taking a position in this argument and you are looking for any loophole to prove your point.

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46borylie(742 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Elstupido,how does 33,000 suicidal people jeopardize my life? A drunk driver does. Do you think at all before you type? ElJuris,you have the most jejune rambling rants I've ever read on these boards. Elstupido,your family couldn't stand being around you? Seriously,if your without family,that's too bad,but don't be a bitter,hateful drunk,because your lonely.

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47SkyKing310B(253 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

I see an interesting phenomenon in this country. When a person turns 18, he is deemed old enough to elect people to congress, vote on contitutional amendments, vote on tax levies, etc. He is old enough to fight/die for our country and the right to enjoy the freedoms we hold dear and the right to have a job and pay taxes to support our way of life, but he is not old enough to enjoy a couple of beers with his buddies while watching a ffotball game! There is definately something wrong with this picture.

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48ElPolloRetrasado(198 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Wow, Borylie, you are dumber than a sack full of stupid! The point was to show that there are many things out there that cause more deaths than drunk driving. Here, let me dumb it up for you. In 2008 there were 13463 fatal crashes in the United States involving multiple vehicles, 3059 of which had alcohol involved. That means 23% had alcohol involved, right? Well then by the facts I would have to say that 77% of these accidents did not involve alcohol, right? Simple math, come on you can do it! So what do you do with the other 77% of people that you can't blame alcohol on? Come on, point your finger, that seems to be all you can do! These are true statistics from The National Highway Traffic Safety Association so unlike your fake facts mine are documented. Here's the link, http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Crashes..., just so you don't think i'm lying! By the way, the comment about my family being dead was me being facetius to prove a point but obviously again you are too stupid to recognize that! Only bitter and hateful at people like you that are using up oxygen that could better be used to make carbon monoxide and pumped into your house!

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49borylie(742 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

ElmorestupidothanIthoughto,this article was about alcohol,why don't you bring up starvation in Darfur. SkyKing,do the world a favor. Why don't you and Penny take Eldumbo up to about 10,000 ft. and drop Eldumbo over a cantina. 77% means accidents happen,23% means someone was increasing the odds of an accident. Elgoofball,do you have a pet? Go debate it,perhaps you will win.

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50borylie(742 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Yes I am,,,,,call me anything you want. I'm afraid of very little and walking down Hillman St. is asking for trouble. I don't ask for trouble and I don't run from trouble,,,,, I avoid trouble. Like I posted earlier,,,,I don't go to bars and subject myself to people who aren't themselves (drunk courage). I avoid them. I can't avoid drunk drivers slamming me from behind or flying through a red light. Yes,,,Foxtrot I'm a racist,,,who cares.The people on Hillman St. could care less about my views on life and could care less if I'm a,,,,, racist. Let's get back to the alcohol debate and save,,,, this post for Ernie Brown's column.

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51Eric(196 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

The solution seems simple to me. Six months in jail will teach these kids some respect. Meaningless sentences from the juvenile justice system just guarantees that these kids will be moving on to bigger crimes in a few years. And we wonder why there is so much crime?

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52borylie(742 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Thanks Eric for a common sense post. Foxtrot,,,, I just read some of your posts,,,,you seem to have a lot of opinions on a lot of subjects. You must really,,,, be smart. Seriously,,,,, I agree with most of your opinions and surmised that you came at me with this goofy opinion,,,,just to help those other two idiots who were taking a beating. I understand. Btw,,,some of your posts have a hint of racism or could be construed thar way. For the most part we agree on a lot of things.

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53ElPolloRetrasado(198 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Borylie, I will leave this with one last post. You are obviously an idiot, everyone on here has made that clear. I would say that maybe you are just retarded but I feel that in doing that I would be offending retarded people! Believe me, they don't even like you but you can go on living your life as the holyer than though, racist moron that you are and I will thank my lucky stars that since you obviously are too afraid to step foot out of your anti-american domicile you call home I will never have to be in the same public place as you...well accept for the day I get to pi** on your grave! Bubbye!

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54CassAnn(252 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Teens will be teens. I would much rather see them experimenting in someone's garage with alcohol (with their car keys taken from them) than see them out driving around and drinking. When we were teens my parents bought alcohol, brought it home and taught us how to drink responsibly in front of them. Really it took all the fun out of it. None of us are alcoholics or even habitual drinkers today. What's wrong with teens and alcohol isnt the teens or the alcohol- its the lack of adult supervision and parenting.

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55lovebb(2 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Quite a shame the article leads one to believe that those involved were Struthers kids when the majority were Lowellville students.

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56strangelove(21 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

I am amazed at how some of you can take an incident, go into long-winded diatribes about things that lose sight of what the article is about

First, do any of you have kids? CassAnn, your reply is completely without parental consideration. Sure enough, teens will be teens however that does not make their behavior right. A party with drunk juveniles that you say you would rather see in a garage than driving around is pure "genius." Just how exactly do you anticipate these kids getting home?

You can slide into parenthesis a caveat but did that occur in this instance? There are a myriad of frightening things that could have occurred.

Secondly, did any of you consider the legal ramifications that this puts the parents of the girl hosting the party in? Perhaps it was just a bunch of kids having a good time, however, the next time someone could get injured, raped, or a fight breaks out.

My last point is this: sure, most of us have, at one time or another as kids, behaved inappropriately. I also had a sip of grandpa's ol' cough medicine. That does not make it right nor does it make anything my son may do as a kid excusable.

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57Laurieljc(63 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

You know what this really boils down to? We want our freedoms and we dont care what it costs other people or whose life it may take. And when someone makes a feeble attempt at changing things, it only amounts to a splinter being removed from the toe when the whole leg is consumed with cancer. Then there are those who see the cancer, dont want to be reminded of it and say, " Who cares? Just kill him. He is not my problem. Besides, he is going to a better place."

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58CassAnn(252 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

strangelove- you completely missed the point of my post and read only what you wanted to. Quote: "its the lack of adult supervision and parenting." These kids would get home by PARENTS and these kids would be supervised (yet again) by PARENTS. Parenting shouldnt be scarey at all. I know that is a novel concept- but parenting really does work and you should try it some time. :D

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59borylie(742 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

ElPollo, why all the hatred and vitriol,I thought we were just beginning to become friends. Listen up,I'm against drunk driving and all the ills caused by alcohol,physically and socially. I have a lot of opinions on a lot of things,but this issue is my most compassionate. A couple of beers or a glass of wine is fine,but this is not what I'm talking about. If this makes me all those names you called me so be it. I'm hurt,but I'll heal. So go asphyxiate your poultry.

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60TheJurisdiction(16 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Since these arguments aren't getting any better due to various perspectives, let's just say that teenage partying is a problem and something needs to be done. I don't think 6 months in jail makes any sense as mentioned earlier, but the law really doesn't stop underage drinking. Big fines and rehabilitation don't seem to work out either..... maybe this home could be watched closer in the future in order to stop the problem instead of letting it progress?

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61aeparish(669 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Better hope those kids that got busted don't read all of this bickering. It'd probably drive them to drink even more.

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62borylie(742 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Drive them to drink. Great play on the problem. LOL

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63Viewpoint(89 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Prohibition failed once before and is destined to fail again no matter the age group being subjected to it. The notion that age limitations should be the determining factor to legal alcohol consumption is plain dumb. There are thousands of people in this valley that regularly drive around after having a couple of drinks, does it make you safer because they are over 21? If driving while under the influence is bad for a youngster, is it okay for an older person? Seems to me we have an standard that lacks continuity. So what is the solution? Ban alcohol sales to everyone? Repeal all liquor laws? No, it will remain a problem no matter which venue is entertained. Drink responsibly, educate your children at home about alcohol, provide it to them in a controlled environment (not in a party) at home, remove the mystery about booze, and far fewer will be so eager to sneak consumption of it.

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64ElPolloRetrasado(198 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

O.K. Borylie, I said I was done with this but then you had to go and say something like,"So go asphyxiate your poultry." and then I realized.... I can't stand your views but that was pretty dam funny! Touche!! I agree to disagree!

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65SkyKing310B(253 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

I have to agree with Viewpoint. A person's age should not be the determining factor. There are some very mature, responsible citizens at age 19 or 20 and some very immature, irresponsible citizens at 35 or 40. In this situation, the parents excuse that they were not home doesn't hold water. Whether they were home or not, they are still LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE for their daughter's actions. If she can't be trusted to act responsibly, she either needs to go with the parents or she needs a Baby sitter.

The major problem with today's society is that no one wants to take responsibility for the decisions they make or the actions they take--It's always some one else's fault, or their environment, or some other BS reason. It's time that people are held responsible for the actions the take- period- end of story!!!!!!!!!!

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66strangelove(21 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Cass . . . I am a proud parent of 17 years, I have a kid that has straight A's and is on the National Honor Society, very active in school and has never been in trouble. I know the parenting gig, I don't need to try it, but thanks for the tip, am always open to suggestions.

I fully understand your point, however, as long as consuming alcohol underage is illegal, having an adult supervised kiddie kegger is inviting a legal nightmare. I don't know who you are and I'm not judging your character--I think what may have been alright by you would be a fiasco for others. Not every adult is a good parent . . . just read the Canfield story, would you be okay if they were boozing it up with the CHS boys and girls?

I can't rationalize condoning underage drinking, period. Too many wackjobs out there for me and the risks are too great.

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67borylie(742 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Elpollo,yeah it was pretty funny. I crack myself up. Have a good night and a long sober life. P.S. I meant passionate in my above post.

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68CassAnn(252 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

strangelove- you are STILL missing the point. The point of my comment was that neither kids nor alcohol is really the problem- lack of parenting is the problem. Laws like these get passed because the parents do not parent their kids anymore. 35 kids at one house? Where were ALL their parents???

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69Ytown_born_and_bred(27 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

I agree with SkyKing310B. I have been wondering that for years!

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70TheJurisdiction(16 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

What a very nice highlight of your parenting strangelove. Nobody cares if your daughter if your daughter is some kind of prodigy due to your parenting. There was no keg at the party, in fact, I have never saw a keg at any underage drinking party in the valley. And what does drinking with CHS students have to do with this story. Cass is correct, you are missing the point and simply boasting your own parenting over the poor parenting of others.

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71aeparish(669 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

I've seen them.

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72strangelove(21 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Cass, one last time and I'm moving on PM me if want . . .

I DO get it, actually if you take a moment and think about it we are actually on the same page.

When you say . . . "lack of parenting is the problem"
and I say . . . "Not every adult is a good parent"

we are on the same page

When you say . . . "Where were ALL their parents???"
I say . . . they probably assumed they were NOT partying, or they didn't care, or maybe didn't raise their kids right, or the kids lied to them . . etc etc etc . . .

You were raised right, I was too, try to do the same for junior. I would not supervise him drinking, nor condone someone else doing it.

I understand your not talking liquor, teens and car keys . . . I got you . . .

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73candystriper(572 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

The best part about living in a small town is that when you get lost someone will know you.

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74CassAnn(252 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Strangelove- when you raise kids to respect alcohol- you will have kids who are not alcoholics or party animals. Complete prohibition doesnt do anything except make alcohol more exciting. I dont want my kids out sneaking it and driving around with their friends. I want them in my house under adult supervision.

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75L0L(607 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

>"What's wrong with teens and alcohol isnt the teens or the alcohol- its the lack of adult supervision and parenting"

Well said. And in your case its aparent (no pun intended) Kids consuming alcohol is illegal plain and simple. All you have done is shown your kids (and the kids of other responsible parents) that its ok to drink underage. You're enabling them. I guess I can't blame you though CassAnn. Your parents failed as parents by letting you drink and show that it was ok to break the law so now you're just following what you were shown. You couldn't of said it any better about it being the parent's responsibility. Unfortunately for your kids they are being shown its ok to break laws. And the cycle repeates itself.

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76joydav(41 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

I haven't blogged in a while, so he is my response. I remember as a young adult, 23-25 yrs. of age. I had my own apartment with my two kids. I was called into work in the evening because someone called off. I called my mom to see if my teenage sister would be able to sit with the kids until I got back home. Wow! when I got home. I found my sister and my neighbors son and a few of her friends in my apartment tore up (drunk as &*%$) blowing off fire crackers inside the apartment with the kids upstairs. Now, to all the idiots that think for one moment that it isn't possible for someone not to have given a teenager and company permission to drink. Oh! I think it's very possible. I was young at one time myself, and I did the same things. As an adult, I drink less now, an occassianal glass of wine, than I did as a teen. When I was of teenage years, I could go into the local store and get what ever I wanted. It's funny because now, depending where I go for something, I get carded. Back to my story. I didn't tell my sister that she could go into my bar and have what ever she wanted and definately didn't tell her to invite friends. So, It's possible that kids do things at home that their parents are not aware of. Is this what happened in this situation, I don't know, but it is possible. All we can do as adults is to keep tyring to get these teens to really understand what could happen to them behind wanting to drink, smoke "weed" lol, or do any type of drug. Yes, I say put it on record with the courts and maybe having a record with be the factor that keeps them from doing it again. I want to also say that if the spelling or grammer's wrong for thoes who pay more attention to that, remember the response.

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77CassAnn(252 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Come back to reality LOL LOL!!! Im sorry the point of the conversation went over your head. If we had more responsible parents like mine, we would have alot less alcoholics and teens dying in alcohol related crashed. You see how well the "laws" work. *eyeroll*

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78Chief178(53 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

Struthers, I'm 50 now when I was a teen we all went to Struthers to drink. Some of you may remember going to Holiday Bowl and being served underage in the 70's.

The city will receive some revenue and the kids will have a record that will affect them for the rest of their lives and underage drinking will keep on happening.

So why don't we hear about underage drinking in Youngstown? The police don't want to waste there time over something they can't stop or make money on.

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79YSUgrad99(199 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

The kids will be punished, as will the parents if they provided the alcohol...end of story.

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80maikaa32(1 comment)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

you all are a bunch of hypocrites. you act as if you all weren't teenagers before and didn't do the same thing. for all we know you could have smoked weed or did pills ! live a little. yes its wrong to do that but look they were safe and at home ! geeze its no wonder us teenagers don't talk to you adults. you don't seem to understand that were teenagers and entitled to live our lives yes we have rules but still its not fair for you all to prevent us from making our OWN mistakes. and sooner or later were gonna rebel and once we get out were gonna party more then anything and that's when you really have to worry because that's when were allowed in clubs and everything ! So don't undermine me and listen to what i have to say, because maybe just maybe you can understand what i mean and comprehend it !

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81cmhs84(6 comments)posted 4 years, 5 months ago

maikaa32...Yes, teenagers will make mistakes...no better teacher in life than experience. However, that does not entitle you to willfully make bad choices for the sake of living a little. Safe at home? Ever hear of alcohol poisoning? Teens do die from it. Drunk driving isn't the only way alcohol can kill. I hope your parents never get a phone call in the middle of the night because you drank yourself to death and your friends were too trashed themselves to notice or they just let you lie there thinking you just need to sleep it off. Even worse for those you leave behind, you'll be remembered for how you died and not how you lived.

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