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Youngstown patrol officers reject buyout incentive


Published: Fri, May 22, 2009 @ 5:30 p.m.

YOUNGSTOWN — The city’s police patrol officers union rejected an early-retirement buyout incentive because it includes too many unfavorable provisions, a union official says.

Those provisions include reducing the entry-level annual salary of patrol officers from about $38,000 to $24,000 in one proposal from the city administration and to $27,000 in the other, said Doug Pesa, secretary-treasurer of the Youngstown Police Association.

To reach the top of the pay scale in both proposals, about $52,500, it would take 10 years rather than the current five years, Pesa said.

The scale with the higher starting salary would slow down the annual increases in the middle years, he said.

“Those aren’t competitive wages,” Pesa said. “The entire union felt it was not a competitive and the reduction is excessive. We feel it will do more harm in the long-term than it will help.”

The proposed buyout would give each person accepting it a year’s base pay paid evenly over five years.

Mayor Jay Williams said the city’s offer was not final and he expects further negotiations next week with the union that represents about 115 patrol officers.

“We want the salary to be competitive,” he said. “We may not be that far apart.”

The city is willing to discuss increasing the starting pay offer, but needs to increase the years to get to the top of the scale from 5 to 10, Williams said.

For the complete story, read Saturday’s Vindicator or Vindy.com


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1vince86(5 comments)posted 3 years ago

These guys put there life on the line everyday. No way I would do that job for 24,000 you would have to pay atleast 50,000. Police and fire don't get paid much at all for what they do for us.

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2jhaley1234(5 comments)posted 3 years ago

that jay williams we do not have enough patrol officers now. get williams out of office.

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3EricLW(66 comments)posted 3 years ago

Fire em and hire out people that will. I say screw em. Don't wanna do it? I'm sure someone else will. Chinese workers or Mexicans will do it for 10K less then that. They should be happy to get what they got.

Period!

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4copswife(25 comments)posted 3 years ago

My husband is a Y.P.D officer. He puts his life on the line everyday when he goes to work. Trust me he works more then he sleeps. No way doe she get paid enough to work in this city. He does the job because he loves it, not just for a pay check. Eric LW why don't you go and put on a uniform and do what my husband and all of the other hard working officers do for a day and lets see if you then have a comment like the one you made in your previous comment. The Mayor should do the same instead of sitting behind DESK IN A SUIT ALL DAY. gO WORK THE STREETS OF yOUNGSTOWN AND ONLY THEN CAN YOU MAKE ANY KIND OF COMMENT ABOUT THE SITUATION AT HAND.. My kids and i also have to live the life of a police officer . It is not easy or fun. So alittle respect for our officers would be appreciated. Lets see if people that have nasty comments about things they know nothing about have the same comments when they are in need of our officers. We are not mexican and chinese Eric LW we are americans and we have a choice. $24,000 is not enough for any human that has to go to work and hope he or she comes home. Period!

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5aeparish(669 comments)posted 3 years ago

38K to 24K is a HUGE drop, especially for that line of work!

Why don't they make Jay Williams and the rest of the city officials take a 14K pay cut each year?

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6TheLostPatrol(717 comments)posted 3 years ago

Unfortunately, when you marry a police officer, you sort of expect what lies ahead every day of his/her working life when he/she walks out the door. As for the officer they knew what they were getting into when they went into criminal justice as a career. So, the life of either a wife or husband of a spouse who is a police officer is, what it is. The point of what a person is willing to get paid to do the job is irrelevant. What is happening around ALL government serving employees is that they get paid thanks to taxes paid by all, including the private sector. Well, the private sector is getting hammered and they are losing tens of thousands of jobs each week, and all the city is asking for is to give back, so that you government employees can at least keep your jobs while jobs are evaporating all around you for basically ninety percent of what you're now making, and still keep your jobs. As for the crime running rampant in the City, well there are two problems, you first have baby-making machines running around the city having kids with multiple partners, then they leave these kids who grow up to be unsupervised hoodlums while Mommy is getting her nails done, hairdo's, buying lotto tickets, and buying plenty of clothes to go out on the Town, while grandma and grandpa watch (babysit) the little felons. And naturally Daddy is nowhere to be found because he's too busy either knocking up another sixteen year-old to contnue the viscious cycle or he's in Lorain serving 5 to15 for Manslaughter. The second reason is that Jay Williams is a poor Mayor that is simply an empty suit; a poster child for all young african-american kids, but thats it, a poster child. Sadly, he has done nothing to even help his Race, except to hire his Church friends on the payroll. Youngstown is at a point of no return, and Jay Williams did not cause this either. It was started over thirty years ago by greedy politicians who put their relatives in positions of authority just for them to have a well-paying job/career, and subsequently a hefty government pension. These positions over those past thirty years could have been filled by qualified professionals that would have put Younstown on the track to recovery in the Late seventies. But look around the City, it is dead and long gone. Pick up the article in today's Vindy about Bethlehem, PA fifteen years after the second largest steel producer (Bethlehem Steel) in the World, closed its doors. They've at least got a vision after only fifteen years, here in Youngstown its been over thirty and we're left with a city that looks like a big Junkyard.

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7JD010101(137 comments)posted 3 years ago

HEY jAY HOW MANY YEARS TILL THE MAYOR REACHES TOP PAY???

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8JD010101(137 comments)posted 3 years ago

Jay how many years does it take to top out for the friends and family you gave jobs to when you took office. Have you reduced the pay of your church friends/employees?

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9UnionForever(1460 comments)posted 3 years ago

Stay strong - we need these officers to protect and serve Youngstown. I wonder what Mayor Jay will do now? Layoffs of his friends and family would seem to be the right answer first.

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10GTX66(280 comments)posted 3 years ago

You people making comments about the wife of a Police Officer and that Illegal Aliens will do the job fot $10,000 do not have a clue. I am a former Police Officer from another city , a great deal larger than Youngstown. This was back in the 70's and I made then what this "Mayor" wants to pay starting officers today. He is a joke and this proposal is a joke. Youngstown needs more Police Officers and they are not going to get them for what little money the city wants to offer them,

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11aeparish(669 comments)posted 3 years ago

EricLW - so are you saying that you would prefer to have the Mexicans take these jobs over so that they will get paid less and our taxes will ultimately be lower?

Funny. If you think Youngstown's bad NOW, you should be able to imagine how terrible it would be if we had illegal immigrants trying to fight crime. If anything, crime rates would skyrocket even higher.

But I don't know. The lower taxes would be nice, I'm sure. And maybe perhaps you would love the fact that the illegal Mexi-cops wouldn't bust you for your extensive supply of marijuana as long as you shared.

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12L0L(492 comments)posted 2 years, 12 months ago

For that salary you would get cops straight out of the academy and rejects who couldn't get hired anywhere else. Nice plan jay!!

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