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High school sweethearts shot dead



Published: Fri, May 8, 2009 @ 12:04 a.m.

The Poland couple’s daughter told a 911 dispatcher she believed her father killed her mother and then himself.

By DENISE DICK

VINDICATOR STAFF WRITER

POLAND — A sign in a back window of the Stymie Road house where a man apparently shot and killed his wife and then himself reads: “This house guarded by shotgun three nights per week. You guess which three.”

Police were called to 6931 Stymie shortly before 6 p.m. Wednesday after a woman called Mahoning County 911 upon finding her parents, William and Kathleen Smith, both 56, dead inside.

“My dad just got out of the hospital, and I think he did it to my mom and then himself,” their 32-year-old daughter, Billie Wright, said in the 911 recording.

Wright, who lives down the road from her parents, said through sobs that she went to check on them because no one had been able to reach them all day.

Wright told the dispatcher that she wasn’t sure what happened.

“There’s blood everywhere,” she cried. “I think it was a gun.”

A brief statement from the Mahoning County Coroner’s office said there is no ruling in either death, and that the shootings remain under investigation by township police and the coroner’s office.

The Smith home, a white-with-green-trim, two-story house, built in 1922, boasts well-kept flower beds out front and a wooden glider on the front porch.

Family members on Thursday declined to speak to The Vindicator. Neighbors on the mostly rural, winding road at the eastern edge of the township were reluctant to speak.

One neighbor, who didn’t want her name used, said Kathleen Smith was to pick up her grandchild on Wednesday but didn’t show up.

The woman said the Smiths were high school sweethearts.

The couple, whom she has known since they were children, were very friendly and she knew of no problems between them.

“I’m just devastated,” the woman said.

Everyone on that street has lived there for years. Many grew up there.

“They were nice people to have known,” she said.

Another neighbor, who also didn’t want her name used, described the Smiths as wonderful people.

denise_dick@vindy.com


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1JD010101(137 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

A sign in a back window of the Stymie Road house.

Ok. Vindy. What piece of waste reporter tresspassed on private property to read the sign on the back porch? Publish the name of the reporter. Even though a crime was committed there it is still private property. Vindy has no right trespassing in order to get more info for their rag. Hey Vindy get permission from family, read the police report but stay off the property, your scum.

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2irishfan91(97 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

Gee, I wonder what slant this reporter is trying to impart by quoting that sign. You are right the gun went off all by itself and killed that couple--Evil Guns. After all, no one kills themselves or anyone else by any other method other than guns--heck sometimes they die in dry bathtubs like Scott Peterson's 3rd wife in Illinois.

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3irishfan91(97 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

Another misleading article title by the Vindicator. One is lead to believe that 2 HS students were murdered, not that a murder suicide occurred in an elderly couple's home. The title should read--"Elderly Couple Found Dead in Poland Home After Apparent Murder, Suicide"

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4aeparish(669 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

Elderly would be misleading, too.

They were in their 50s. I'd say middle-aged.

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5msweetwood(161 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

Uhm, Irish, it is Drew Peterson in Illinois. Scott Peterson was in California. And, you have decided that 56 is "elderly?" Noted.

For the record: The subhead in the print edition's 1A reads "The Poland couple's daughter told a 911 dispatcher she believed her father killed her mother and then himself." We quoted the sign because it was there.

JD: We went to the door to inquire and verify like we do on most crime stories and reported what we saw. After the most recent F&N Market shooting, we were there minutes after the shooting and were back in the neighborhood the next day. It is what we do.

Better we sit in our living rooms and pontificate about Petersons and jump to conclusions? I am afraid we just aren't as all-knowing as some of the people who post on here. So, we go to the scene.

Mark Sweetwood
Managing Editor

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6AKAFR1(322 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

Mark...I agree with you. You can never please some of these people. You would think that they graduated from journalism school.

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7dsamad(2 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

Mark Sweetwood: I understand you are doing your job. I have no concerns in the article written, and have sympathy for the family. But could you please stop referring to the most recent shooting on the East Side of Youngstown, as F&N Market shooting. The shooting happened on a vacant lot next to the store and is not related to the store at all.

Diana Samad

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8Chief178(57 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

Mark, I think you did a good job reporting this tragic situation.

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9aeparish(669 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

Only thing is, Chief, he didn't report it. Denise Dick did.

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10aeparish(669 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

Or at least she wrote the article.

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11JD010101(137 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

JD: We went to the door to inquire and verify like we do on most crime stories and reported what we saw. After the most recent F&N Market shooting, we were there minutes after the shooting and were back in the neighborhood the next day.SWEETWATER

Listen sweetwater. There was no inquiring as there was no one home get it? Its a crime scene on private property. One your not allowed in a crime scene. 2. your not allowed on private property. I suggest not trying to defend this one since it just makes you look like a pathetic rag reporter.

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12binx(81 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

WOW, why don't we stop defending ourselves and just feel some sort of remorse to a family that is without a mother, father, son, daughter, aunt, uncle, grandma, grandpa or friend(s). It's the news, sometimes it's right the way they approach it; sometimes it's wrong.

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13city_dweller(193 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

People are allowed on private property until asked to leave. I can walk up to any house in the country and knock on the door. I can't enter the house, but there is no law stopping anyone from stepping on "private property" until told to leave. And in this case, the reporter was attempting to collect and verify information for a very tragic story that because of its violent nature, is bound to cause local -- and possible national -- interest. We all feel terrible for this family, and when something like this happens, there is a strong likelihood that anything the Vindy or any other media outlet did would be met with disapproval.

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14dmets(575 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

I have one question? Since when has 56 been considered elderly? Honestly if the were high school sweathearts then they are not lying or misleading! But we need to look at the bigger picture, family members were lost, friends were lost. My heart goes out to the family of this couple, especially their daughter who had the misfortune of find them. God Bless You!

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15mouse05(6 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

Why are we complaining about how the information was obtained? Who really cares about the petty stuff? Two people are dead and your complaining about information that is not even in the article. You are nit picking about the unimportant. Why not have some compassion for the family and friends of the two that are no longer with them. You know for a fact that if it was someone that you knew and there was nothing said about them in the paper or on the news you would be *itching. Who cares how they got the information, just be happy that you have something to complain about. Without the paper or the news you wouldn't, right! Guess that some people are not happy unless they have something to complain about. Go Vindy!!

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16aeparish(669 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

Actually, if it was someone I knew, I'd be upset if the newspaper was even reporting it, much less reporting improperly. I would find it disrespectful to that person and their family, because an event like that truly is a personal matter.

It is tragic and my heart goes out to the family.

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17Youngstown_Citizen(6 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

Shame on you Mark Sweetwood!
What you said is not news, its tabloid smut!
If God forbid, anything like this ever happens to you or your family, would you want be expoilted like this? You didnt even report on what matters.

And you have left a family in even more pain by this tasteless account of "what happened."
Don't cause these people more pain!
And mouse05, when your mourning a loved one, you WONT want slanted accounts posted on the internet!

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18wills(1 comment)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

You people are incredible.

Of course this is a terribly sad story. Of course we feel for the family. For that very reason, we made a judgment call not to put the daughter's 911 call online. It was just too hard for many to take.

If you really believe this family's tragedy is such a personal thing, why are you all devoting so much time to yammering on and on about it?

You're sickly mistaken if you think covering such stories is a hobby or special interest for our reporters. They do not get their jollies from this. It's hard. It occasionally drains them. But it's their job. They do what they're well-educated to do.

This story took all day and no one, especially the police and coroner, handed it to us. So we went to the neighbors.

Frankly, if this hadn't have been in the paper, we'd be getting blasted by you same people for ignoring it.

I think the reporters here do their work admirably. Even when it's distasteful. Even if you don't like it.

But you are eating it up, aren't you?

Tom Wills
Regional Editor
The Vindicator

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19Youngstown_Citizen(6 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

im not eating it up!
i would give anything to take this all back!
how dare you suggest such a thing!!!!!

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20merriamweb(1 comment)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

My sympathy to the family and friends affected by this tragedy; I can't even imagine their pain.

to Mark Sweetwater and Tom Wills:
Your comments are appalling. As editors, your job is to ensure the objective reporting of news. Whatever your personal feelings on a story or its comments, you have a responsibility to maintain a high level of journalistic integrity and professionalism. Your comments, including "Uhm" and "...you are eating it up..." are snarky and decidedly not objective. I cry not only for the deaths reported here, but also for the depth to which The Vindicator editorial board has descended. The people of Youngstown deserve so much better.

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21bucnasty(17 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

To Denise Dick, Mark Sweetwood, Tom Wills, and the entire staff at the Vindicator:

I would like to commend you on the job you did with this story.

Let us not forget that is is their job as reporters to REPORT THE NEWS. How they choose to do it is up to them. As we all know and probably are well aware (actually I take that back, most of the creatures posting on this forum have clearly showed their poor awareness, incompetence, and lack of common sense.) not only is The Vindicator a news outlet, it is a business. And given the current state of newspapers, I certainly hope the the staff at the Vindicator would think about that before publishing the story. They have no personal vested interest in this story, they put their professional credibility, integrity, and reputation on the line with every story they publish. They report the news to people who want to read, like me, a Valley resident currently living out of town. If you do not like it then simply DON'T READ IT.

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22AtownParent(561 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

Granted the paragraph about the sign on the door was needless commentary on the part of the reporter. Everything else is how I expect a story to be documented by a paper. Really people, come on. It is on the television news, and should be reported by the paper. It is not a slanted account, it is quotes taken from the 9-1-1 call and neighbor interview.

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23henryviii1509(274 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

My condolences to the family of these people.

I don't understand why stories such as these are considered NEWS. They are tragic events and should be considered as such.

I believe it's time to focus on re-inventing this valley to attract business and industry, instead of tragedies involving death, be it on the south side of town or in Poland.

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24irishfan91(97 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

Yes it is a tragedy that occurred. Yes it is the job of the newspaper to report on it. What I was asking them to do is not use a misleading headline in order to report more accurately. As for the rest of your answer, Mark . . ."Uhm, Irish, it is Drew Peterson in Illinois. Scott Peterson was in California. And, you have decided that 56 is "elderly?" Noted.'

As you probably remember when you think back to your English classes that words have meanings and in addition--connotations. The headline conjures up images of young kids being murdered not a middle-aged couple dead from a murder, suicide. Nitpicking about whether it was Drew or Scott Peterson does not change the point that I was making regarding the editorializing being done by your reporter.

"For the record: The subhead in the print edition's 1A reads "The Poland couple's daughter told a 911 dispatcher she believed her father killed her mother and then himself." We quoted the sign because it was there."

The headline is supposed to grab a reader's attention but, at the same time, give one an idea what the article is about. Someone did not enter a house and shoot these people dead. It was a murder, suicide. Being accurate in your reporting is part of your job isn't it?

"JD: We went to the door to inquire and verify like we do on most crime stories and reported what we saw. After the most recent F&N Market shooting, we were there minutes after the shooting and were back in the neighborhood the next day. It is what we do."

No comment here-you were doing your job.

"Better we sit in our living rooms and pontificate about Petersons and jump to "conclusions? I am afraid we just aren't as all-knowing as some of the people who post on here. So, we go to the scene."

Back to connotations 101--the image here is of a slacker sitting in their living room critiquing the poor newspaper editor who is working so hard. You don't know anything about me or JD so maybe you shouldn't be jumping to "conclusions"

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25city_dweller(193 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

Anything that involves the police is news. That fact that two people were shot and killed in their home is news, especially because until the police have finished their investigation, we don't know for certain that it was a murder-suicide, and there is the possibility that a murderer is walking the streets. That is definitely a matter of public interest.

Even if it does turn out to be murder-suicide, by any definition, that is still news, and the local news paper has the right and responsibility to report on both the investigation and he results.

As far as the editor's comments go, I think they were a little tactless for people who make their living using words, but these discussion boards allow them to speak somewhat outside the bounds of their titles. Like the rest of us, they are just people commenting and adding their 2 cents.

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26najjjj(106 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

To the critics of the Editors and reporters at the Vindy, I am constantly amazed by the posts on these boards. The Vindicator is a newspaper......they report news.....it's their job. Now, if they start writing articles about alien abductions or batboy, maybe you'd then have something legitimate to gripe about. But, then again, maybe aliens and monsters are more on your level.

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27scrooge(563 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

I see nothing wrong with the way any of this story, and comments by the editors, was written.
The irony of the sign in the back door was sufficient enough for the reporter to include in the story due to the apparent slaying by gunfire.
The headline was factual and got us all to read the article didn't it? THAT is the purpose of the headline-to draw the reader to the story. Well Done Ms. Dick
The photo showed no police tape or "no trespassing" signs so the Vindy had the right to go to the door and possibly find someone at home.
There wasn't much information available so the story is comprised mainly of exerpts from the 911 call and the obligatory "they were nice people" comments from neighbors. I'm sure more information will come available in days to come but as for now they did the best with what they had.
And for the record - I would have been one of the ones complaining had they NOT reported this tragedy.

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28home(1 comment)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

My thoughts go to the extended Smith families. I must assume that the writer has had a sheltered life and not look at any bumper stickers while driving. I have known the Smith's for over 30 years and there extended families for 40 years having going to school with some and running around with others. Why don't you leave the family alone and quit writting things you hear but instead write things you know. I am sure that all family members would appericate it. I know I would.

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29JD010101(137 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

city_dweller (69 comments)posted 9 hours, 4 minutes ago

People are allowed on private property until asked to leave. I can walk up to any house in the country and knock on the door. I can't enter the house, but there is no law stopping anyone from stepping on "private property" until told to leave. And in this case, the reporter was attempting to collect and verify information for a very tragic story that because of its violent nature, is bound to cause local -- and possible national -- interest. We all feel terrible for this family, and when something like this happens, there is a strong likelihood that anything the Vindy or any other media outlet did would be met with disapproval.

No your wrong. Who is going to ask them to leave? They reported the residents were deceased. Now they could have gone to the front door and knocked on it to see if someone was staying there. However they were poking around behind the house. If they need to confirm anything its done through the police. They overstepped on this one. That is why a picture was taken from the road. That is where they allowed to be. The rag of freedom is wrong on this one and so are you.

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30JD010101(137 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

I think the reporters here do their work admirably. Even when it's distasteful. Even if you don't like it.

But you are eating it up, aren't you?

Tom Wills
Regional Editor
The Vindicator

???

Really Wills? Is that how you would address the family and friends that have posted their opinions on the tasteless way you and your reporters obtained bits of information.
"But you are eating it up, aren't you?" Your quote Wills is sick and you should be fired. That statement appears to be your motive behind the story and not "just reporting the facts maam".
But you are eating it up, aren't you? is a statement from Tom Wills Regional Editor of The Vindicator. This shows you and your rag are practicing sensationalism. You need to be fired for your flippant uncaring remark. You should not hold the position you have. Vindicator I call on you to fire Wills for this disgusting remark as this is his work attitude toward the people of the valley.

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31Snoopy01(10 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

Tom Wills, Denise Dick, Mark Sweetwood and the rest of the reporters involved in this story at the Vindicator and the local TV stations:

You have taken jounalism to a new low. I really hope that you were not aware, when you and the other media mongrels went knocking door to door to gain information about such a heartbreaking tragedy, is that you were knocking on FAMILY MEMBERS DOORS. That entire end of the street is the home to relatives of the Smith family and have been for years. These family members had to put up with reporters knocking on their doors over and over and over again ALL day long when they had not even had time to adjust to two family members that are no longer with them.

You are right, it is not against the law to knock on doors, but most people who are not acquainted with the person living in a home, knock at the FRONT DOOR. They do not waunder around to the back door trying to see if someone is home. Exactly WHO did you think was going to be ANSWERING the door at the Smith house. Did you really think any family member was going to be there so soon after this tragedy?? Come on who are you kidding...that was just a way for your sordid reporting to try to get a peak in to the house. If they wanted to give you an interview and tell you what happened, they would have called you. If you did not sensationalize this report why the "BLOOD EVERYWHERE" headline.

I know these people personally and have for many, many years. We are all heartbroken over this tragedy. It is really sad to know that the only newspaper in the area has turned to sensationalism to sell papers. As far as the TV stations, half of what was reported was not even true. Some of the comments by neighbors that did not want to be identified (why did they not want to be identified), were also not true. When you interview people by knocking door to door, you don't have any way of verifying that information, but you print it anyway. I found out about their deaths by one of those nosey neighbors that went to the house trying to find out what happened right after she saw several police cars without sirens on go up the street. When she did not get any information from a policeman, she went to a relatives house who also did not know anything about what had happened. She then proceeded to call other neighbors to tell them all the details. This type of person feeds on other peoples misery. She should be ashamed of herself. These are the types of people you get when you knock door to door. Which is why it is not a good way to gain information.

By the way, the name of the street is STYME Road. If you had read the street sign as well as you read the sign in the back window of the house, you would have realized that you were spelling it wrong. Maybe you should have taken a picture of that too so you could have gotten it right.

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32covenantfarm(1 comment)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

I graduated from high school with the Smiths. This is a tragedy for all of their family and friends. Your reporting was OK but I believe that the postings from newspaper personnel come off as both petty and unprofessional.

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33redvert(2048 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

Scrooge, this may be quality journalism to you but it doesn't make it for most of us.

The initial headline was "Daughter finds parents shot to death in Poland" Now the writer comes back with "High school sweethearts shot dead". The only people that would possibly connect this headline to the original story would be people that knew the history of this couple.

You mention that the purpose of a headline is to draw you into reading the story. Well if you cannot publish a good continuation of a lead story you must resort to some goofy headline like this which a person has to read to realize that it is about a existing lead story. How about "Poland couple found dead were high school sweethearts?" It identifies that it is a continuation instead of sounding like a want-to-be writer's attempt to write a Pulitzer prize winning headline the first time out.

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34JD010101(137 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

Vindicator:

Fire Tom Wills Regional Editor for The Vindicator,

for his distasteful and uncaring remark, "But you are eating it up, aren't you?" .

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35JD010101(137 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

Thomas Wills (1 comments)posted 11 hours, 19 minutes ago

"You people are incredible." Your quote Wills.

This sounds like a racist or biased comment! What do you mean you people?
Here's a hint you mental giant, we are the people of the valley that buy this rag of a paper only because its a one paper town.

You need to go. We the "People" say that Wills needs fired now.

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36golf4evr91(1 comment)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

Honestly, I think you people are taking this too far. It's their job to write the story. It's true, if they wouldn't have reported on it you would have had remarks about it anyways because people would have wondered what had happened.

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37JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

I've noticed a number of first time posters here, proving the effectiveness of the tactic of having editorial staff stoke the fire by commenting. Who says quality reporting is necessary to positively impact a newspaper's bottom line? Hopefully advertisers that support the site will take these tactics into account before renewing their contracts.

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38papa44471(25 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

This is a very sad news story that didn't need such sloppy reporting. Where is the compassion and accuracy Vindicator? This is junk journalism! Not worth the price for me. Bye Bye Vindicator!

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39Lifesnadir(164 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

I'm not related to this family. I don't assume what happened in this home. My comments reflect my sadness about the increasing murders, suicides, and murder-suicides in our towns, States, and country.

People are under so much stress. They've lost the ability to cope with daily or ongoing problems, or the coping they had has worn too thin to solve "one more problem". People turn to government, and often (too often) find sarcastic, mean, uncaring, indifferent workers who are often just too UNhelpful. Government can't take care of everyone who needs help. (Yet, some of us still believe we're "entitled" to help as though refillable Maxwell House coffee "to the last drop.") Communities, including medical/mental health and churches, woefully fail when responding to people's PRACTICAL needs, let alone their psychiatric and spiritual needs. We are a hurting nation and have lost not only our moral compass, but we have lost ourselves.

This most recent loss of life is only one more example of people who are in great distress. This man, if he did commit murder-suicide, didn't just wake up on a morning and say "I think I'll just kill her and myself." If he did this act, he was under tremendous forces that caused him to think he had no other way out. None of us can judge just how much pain or stress one person can endure. We CAN, though, be more aware, more sensitive, more watchful over each other, as a community, so we can notice when someone is unable to cope.

Life is very hard. Physical illness makes life much harder. Mental illness or even situational depression (the kind that is more easily resolved when the problem is resolved) can make living seem impossible.

As the community reads this story or hears of other stories across our nation, consider how YOU can be involved with neighbors, friends, strangers who may be experiencing great stress in their lives. Think about ways to help others. Check on older neighbors. Visit those who are ill or disabled. When a co-worker gets hurt at work and has to fight for disabilty, don't just forget about the person. In addition to sending a check to a community organization, go sit with the people who need the help. Make PBJ sandwiches, buy milk and cups, and go to the homeless under bridges (they live in our counties too). Find a way to touch hurting hearts.

My sympathies to this family. I hope people will find more help and understanding in our towns and across the USA.

Lifes

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40ytownres(2 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

I cannot believe all of the POWER you are giving to these types of articles. Two great people are dead for a reason that only two people know, and unfortunalty they cannot tell us. Bill & Kathy Smith were great people. They loved their children and their grandson. They were good people. Sometimes things happen to good people. It is all around us today. My only issue is that we keep giving the reporters satisfaction by posting comments about their "reporting". We all know if they were good reporters they wouldn't be writing for a small town newspaper. LEAVE THIS FAMILY ALONE. I hope that someday you never have to go through this kind of a tragedy. Because what goes around comes around. We will see how you like your privacy ignored by ignorance and the sick need to "know" or "see something" intersting.

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41EJM1990(4 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

What does the sign have to do with anything. Guns are for protection because the police in poland are to busy pulling people over who are going one mile per hour over the speed limit. You have no idea what was going on before the incident, so don't try to report like you do. There is a reason that Kent States journalism program uses your paper as an example of what not to do

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42shadowman(67 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

I've seen worse stories in how it was presented. Yes, there could have been more tact involved in reporting this. It is sensationalized a bit because it is in Poland Twp, which rarely does something like this happen there. However, this is a tragedy regardless of where in happened. All the commotion needs to calm down so the family can begin to heal. The unprofessionalism of the Vindicator staff in this blog is very disturbing. Mr. Wills comment of "eating it up" is absolutely atrocious and he should be dealt with, and dealt with severely by Vindicator management

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43Stan(9923 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

Keep covering the news Vindy. Inquiring minds want to be informed. From "ANNOUNCEMENTS" to "ZOOPHOBIA" and everything in between. If it's in The Vindy it's news. Even the critics who read the news find many articles that meet their criteria.

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44dude99(5 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

city dweller...you should get your facts right...you are allowed to walk onto any ones front porch...but you are not allowd in the back yard...that is private property and you can be taken to jail....i am a police officer and you most certainly are not allowed in the back yard of anyones house....even ohio edison and east ohio gas walkers are not allowed in the back yard....

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45JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

Does KSU's journalism program really use the Vindy as an example? If so that's fantastic. I guess more than a few people noticed poor grammar, poor spelling, apparent total lack of editing (including for obituaties, where correct information is actually faxed to them yet somehow appears differently in print) BEFORE the ridulous staff comments made over the last few days...taking it to a whole new level.

Keep up the great work, hacks & hackettes.

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46JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

Yes, I spelled "ridiculous" incorrectly; no, I don't get paid to do this...if I did it probably wouldn't have happened.

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47JD010101(137 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

Vindicator:

Fire Tom Wills Regional Editor for The Vindicator,

for his distasteful and uncaring remark, "But you are eating it up, aren't you?" .

Also educate your reporters on trespassing laws and going around the back of a personal residence, there are front doors for a reason. If there is no answer and someone is home, they probably dont want to talk to your reporter. That's a cue to leave not start poking around the property. The freedom of the press does not come with a right to trespass.

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48redvert(2048 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

Over the years I have read many different newspapers. I have never seen a case where a Managing Editor and/or a Regional Editor had to pipe in to defend the quality of the newspaper's reporting. And as you all know, this is not the first time it has happened with this paper. Now the editors can try to justify the poor quality all they want by describing how drained the reporters are from time to time by stories but if that is the case get another job. In the mean time read what you have written a couple of times before it goes to press and just ask yourself "is this really the best I can do?" If what we have seen lately is the best you can do then perhaps you should look at the want ads!

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49XFilesX(77 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

If you think the Vindy is a bad paper, try reading the Tribune. It's a true rag. I think the Vindy is a much better quality paper.

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50hellsbells(116 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

I think the initial sentence served to emphasize the tragedy here. Most of the time it's not the things we worry about that come about. It's the unexpected that gets us.

And let's remember in the future when lurid crime scenes in Youngstown are described that those people have relatives and friends who are sensitive to the news and comments too.

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51L0L(640 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

JD SHUT THE F$%K UP ALREADY!!! Its the news! If something happens they report on it. If they didnt report on it then it would be "the vindy is covering up a murder-suicide in poland". I'm calling american idol right now and demanding they fire simon for being rude to the singers!! How dare he impartially give his opinion!!!

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52JD010101(137 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

L0L (6 comments)posted 8 hours, 23 minutes ago

JD SHUT THE F$%K UP ALREADY!!! Its the news!

Is it the news for the Vindy to tresspass? No! Is it the news for a top editor of the paper to tell friends and family that had posted about this article that they were eating this up? LOL your as deranged in the head as Wills. Wills needs to go Vindy.

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53L0L(640 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

JD -attorney-at-law.... Please show me the picture of the "no trespassng" sign on their property. Its trespassing when, and only when, it is posted no trespassing or a warning for trespassing is given. You are just one of those people who are not happy unless they are b#$ching about something. If they didn't report it you would be on here running your mouth about that.

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54harbres(29 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

I am curious too, as to who you were going to the house to collect info from? In your article here you don't mention that anyone else lives there. You are reporting that the daughter who lives down the road, went to check on them because they hadn't been heard from that day. This leads me to believe, that this couple lived by themselves. So WHO were you looking to collect info from? To me, you were just on someones property to get your story... I would rather wait till the cops get the chance to do their job and have you take all of your info from an official police report.

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55Youngstown_Citizen(6 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

I agree Tom Willis should be fired.
I am friends with the family, and let me assure you that they were both hurt and offended by this article.

FIRE TOM WILLIS!

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56Youngstown_Citizen(6 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

LOL, using profanity is a sign of true ignorance.
Having been to the house I can assure you there is a no tresspassing sign up!

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

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57epicfail(217 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

@ Youngstown_Citizen

Poor spelling is a sign of ignorance in my opinion. I mean come on... You said he's ignorant for using one of those evil words that make Jesus cry yet you didn't take the four seconds to check your own damn reply. That's not just ignorant in my book, it's hypocritical!

I know... "you're in a hurry to reply" and "grieving for the family" and "ate too much paste as a kid" and all the other replies people come up with to defend their own ignorance while smugly pointing it out in others.

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58Youngstown_Citizen(6 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

nice profile pic epi
news flash
she lost!

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59Ypsi(56 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

The Vindy is a tenth-rate paper with low standards. Why is anyone surprised at the poor quality of reporting or the self-serving snark of the editorial staff?

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60PEACE2U(115 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

& if there was not a article in the Vindi. on this tragic & sad happening =
"You all would be saying ~~ WHAT ARE THEY HIDING"
+ Sympathy to the Family +

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61nic1977(1 comment)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

As a member of this family I'd like to say THERE ARE no tresspassing signs posted around this property. I know because I was there when some of them were posted. Also I find it disgusting that the the day and days following this tragedy, SEVERAL Vindicator reporters showed up at our house and the homes of several other family members! SHAME ON ALL OF YOU.I myself, my husband, and others have asked you to leave our property several times and you just kept coming back. Its disgusting. I understand its your sick view of news. However, LEAVE US ALONE. Most of you have no idea what transpired here. I'd appreciate you stop speculating. Also, to the sick neighbor who feels its her job to gossip to everyone she speaks with, go to hell. (you know who you are D.W.)

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62ytowngramma(39 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

I guess I'm confused. If the sign was on the back door and no one was supposed to be back there to see it, then please tell me who the sign was intended for? Did the residents put it up there as a reminder to themselves?

Also, if the family members have their panties in a wad over inaccurate reporting, then why have they refused to speak to anyone to correct the supposed errors in reporting?

I suppose all the bi#%@ing is because it is their family member and not some "Joe Schmoe Gang Banger and wife" from the wrong side of town that this happened to.

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63JD010101(137 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

WILLS RESIGN! OR BE FIRED!

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64epicfail(217 comments)posted 5 years, 2 months ago

In other news JD010101 bought the vindicator apparently...

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