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Residents to corner food stores: We’re fed up

Published: Sat, May 2, 2009 @ 4:45 p.m.

YOUNGSTOWN — Some residents and city officials are putting neighborhood markets on notice: Clean up your acts or else.

The markets have long been associated with crime and other turbulence by some residents and officials.

An East Side homicide April 15 brought fresh scrutiny to the F&N Food Market on Shehy Street, while on the South Side, a ballot issue in Tuesday’s election has sparked feuds between Idora neighborhood residents and the Party Pantry at the corner of Glenwood Avenue and Canfield Road.

Residents want to see cleaner stores that carry quality products and that don’t allow loitering or serve alcohol to minors, said Councilman Paul Drennen, D-5th.

“All the corner stores need to know is that residents are fed up with conditions and they’re doing something about it,” Drennen said.

Following the April 15 shooting, Mayor Jay Williams and Police Chief Jimmy Hughes set their focus on the F&N Market, threatening to start actions to close the store in the crime-ridden neighborhood.

“We’re still looking at the history involving that store,” said Williams. “There is a need to have retail offerings in the city, but for too long, too many [stores] have operated in a way not respectable to citizens and the community.”

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1Stan(9923 comments)posted 7 years, 3 months ago

Too bad that they aren't fed up with known crack houses.

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2Enough(32 comments)posted 7 years, 3 months ago

They blame the stores. Why not look at themselves and the thugs they are raising. Oh. I forgot, that is politically incorrect isn't it? OK. lets blame the stores for you raising the Urban Terrorists that you have.

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3Rokscout(310 comments)posted 7 years, 3 months ago

I'm with you Enough, it has to be the wood and brick store that has no emotion or responsibility. It seems as if the blame has now actually shifted to blaming buildings and street corners instead of, as you so rightly put it, Urban Terrorists. But, the government says we can't even say terrorist when referring to real terrorists now, how do we correctly refer to the people destroying our city like some sort of slash and burn project.

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4westside(47 comments)posted 7 years, 3 months ago

Typical half-brained suburban comments.

Stan, I'm willing to bet that the majority of your crack houses that you're always ranting about are kept in business by suburban customers.

Enough and Rokscout, the owners of these places of "business" allow drug use and sales, sell alcohol to minors (and allow them to consume it on site), and provide convenient accommodations for gang members, thugs, and prostitutes. Apparently you two think that this is acceptable.

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5Rokscout(310 comments)posted 7 years, 3 months ago

Yep you are right, so the store owners may be part of the problem but if not there then somewhere else. What if we stop making excuses and encourage some responsibility? One has to have a desire to be a drug dealer or gang banger. I truly feel sorry for people who feel they have no choice, but don't for a minute believe that a lot of it isn't because it is glorified. Trust me, I wish I was in suburbia. As it stands I am sitting here listening to screaming unsupervised children with no respect for neighbors who have to work but can't say anything out of fear of what will happen. Sorry if my sympathy is running dry! So I may be half-brained but at least it is the half that made me not deal drugs and shoot up houses.

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6MikePrelee(38 comments)posted 7 years, 3 months ago

The store owners own the property so it's their responsibility to keep it clear of dealers and thieves. It's ridiculous to criticize people in a neighborhood for wanting a safe clean place to shop by saying crackhouses are their fault.

Putting up cameras, lights and calling the police often will chase away the thugs so decent people can shop in safety. This is exactly the sort of thing neighbors should stand up for.

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7Stan(9923 comments)posted 7 years, 3 months ago


The biggest sales in the crackhouses are from locals. At the begining of the month drugs sales are at its peak. This is like Christmas sales for the retail sector. Toward the end of the month when money from local welfare and government checks has dried up crime then picks up.


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8Rokscout(310 comments)posted 7 years, 3 months ago

Okay then lets fire the store owners, put in law abiding honest owners and workers. Then we will find money somewhere (?) and install cameras and lights and call the police on the thugs when they are milling about. Anybody care to comment on what will happen to the store and it's workers?
Back me up here Stan!
Seems to me the majority prefer to live like locusts just slashing and burning outward from the city center. I feel sorry for the few that are trying to get out and do better and are drug down but the majority don't want to change.

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9Stan(9923 comments)posted 7 years, 3 months ago

The stores do present a big problem to the local community. They are taking away money that could be better spent at the crack house. Where do you suppose that the so called low life causing all of the problems resides at? Those screaming the loudest may have one or several living with them. Too many have far too much idle time. The only one employed in the area may very well be the storekeeper. Creating jobs should be priority number one at the "Mayors Office" and not shutting down the local stores.

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10Ciara2223(16 comments)posted 7 years, 3 months ago

Not everyone that are creating havic are drug dealers or on crack in Youngstown . Also I agree these store owners need to get some more type of security and call the police when people just hang out in big crowds in front of their shop. And a stop to selling cigarettes and alcohol to people underage. I haven't noticed the underage selling of alcohol but I notice with black and milds and cigarettes being in the hands of young people underage while im at some of these stores. Also these schools need to do something as well. When The Rayen was open I noticed first hand of alot of black and milds, weed/blunts, cigarettes etc getting lit up/sold in the school or outside on the property. I know the parents of the kids cant always be around and have to go to work but they can search their child things at home to help out (this manly goes to the parents who know their child isn't doing right).

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11blkpride(186 comments)posted 7 years, 3 months ago

Get the F out of here!! Jay you are a MORON!!!! Fire cops, chase out what tax base you do have?!?!?!!?? You gotta go!!!!

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12aortiz2(1 comment)posted 7 years, 3 months ago

People are just trying to make a living. It is not there fault that they attract the people that go there! Why don't they go after the crack heads and drug dealers that are the ones living in the neighborhoods, instead of going after the people that own the stores?!

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13UnionForever(1470 comments)posted 7 years, 3 months ago

It's time to take back Youngstown. These Arab markets don't deserve the right to exist. They sell bad spoiled food to the people who can least afford to pay for it. Why the Youngstown health department doesn't shut them down is beyond me?

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14Rokscout(310 comments)posted 7 years, 3 months ago

My other fear is if and when they shut these stores down that the troublemakers are going to migrate outward more. I'd like to think that this will solve problems but it won't. They put the money in to making the pool down the street nice and then reopened it, just to have it shut down every other day to the tune of wailing sirens due to stabbings and fights and everything else. "Broken window theory" only goes so far, some people just don't know how to live right.

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15Stan(9923 comments)posted 7 years, 3 months ago


I have stopped there and bought food on occasion and I have yet to get any that was spoiled. Perhaps you left yours in the hot car for far too long! Unlike crack cocaine food will spoil in a hot car.

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16babs68(58 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

Stan yo are a mess...

I do believe this that these stores are more frequented by the hard head's. The reason because 9/10 the Arab stores are doing some illegal stuff themselves. I believe that they should be let go if they cannot offerthe correct securities that stores such as Walmart /HD/ malls offer. Install cameras, hires police to patrol the stores and live legit..then you wouldn't have these issues of thugs hanging around a store.

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17gmann415(268 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

babs, you r a mess, 1st of all, it is not the job of a store clerk to babysit drug dealing gang bangers. did you know that most of the store clerks and owners chase these punks away and then they all return in a matter of time. youngstown police dont come because there isnt a major crime going on. and did you know that most of these clerks and ownere are afraid of being shot and robbed for saying something to these punks. why are you crying about the stores who are making money and paying taxes and doing things the legal way but yet lets not help put the drug dealing gang banging trigger happy thugs out of business. oh and one more thing for you babs, you talk about cameras. okay, well why doesnt your local sparkles or aldi,s or save a lot have cameras on their parking lots? crimes do happen in all places no matter what. so again lets stop trying to pass the blame a business that pays city taxes and property taxe and lets blame our selves for not reporting the known crack houses and the prostitues and the drug dealing gun toting trigger happy thugs.

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18aeparish(669 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

They're convenience stores! Do you really expect them to hire a fleet of police men and a bunch of cameras?

Then the thugs will really be migrating outward because the prices at those convenience stores will be so high through the roof that they won't be able to afford them (or they'll just steal the stuff...)!

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19irishfan91(97 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

This crime occurred on a lot that is not owned by the convenience store owner in question. I guess he is supposed to police the whole neighborhood in addition to trying to run his store.

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20sistersun(49 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

I'm reading alot of interesting comments,alot of good points are being made.People understand,everybody is out for self.So therefore we have to pass the buck somewhere.On parents,The Mayor,The drug dealers,the store owners,The police,it's all of the above!You just can't pin point one thing.It's even sadder that we can't work our way from the top,we got to start in the middle.Let us help when and where we can.By the way,those stores do sell bad meat and out dated products.

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21JeffLebowski(953 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

Many larger cities have police substations located within corner stores to help curb the types of behavior I have to assume are being alluded to in the article.

Also, don't make this racial. It doesn't have to be.

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22VINDYAK(1824 comments)posted 7 years, 2 months ago

There is only one thing to say...when an unwanted seed begins to grow in a garden, the true gardener will till that seed out to avoid the garden from being over run with weeds that consume nutrients from the garden plants that grow fruit and vegetables and provides the gardener with sustinance. A lazy gardener who overlooks the growing seeds, will find his garden overtaken with weeds and his crops will fail. Our city gardens are now infested with so many weeds that our fruits and vegetables can no longer grow and we are at a point where no amount of tilling will ever get rid of all the bad seeds propogating on our streets today. The task at hand is so difficult now, you either lose the gardeners or you lose the weeds. Which one will leave first? And which one will be the most expensive to lose?

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